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Tadeusz Swietochowski does not call Akhundov an "Iranian nationalist". No personal interpretations, please, that's against the rules. Grandmaster 07:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I took out part of the quote Elsanaturk added which isnt about Akhundzade. Hajji Piruz 19:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Elsanaturk insists on having it in there. Look at the above discussion. If he wants to mention Turkish nationalism, then I simply said lets quote the whole thing. Elsanaturk does make a point though, it does reflect the influence of Russian based scholars on Turkish nationalism, and the sentence you mentioned describes that nationalism. So I think its ok to keep the quote. Hajji Piruz 04:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
what i know, his father was not so wealthy, but was a merchant from Khoy, who could hardly be a middle class-man. Ateshi - Baghavan 19:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I just removed a phrase saying "Armenian writers Khachatur Abovian, Gabriel Sundukyan and others played a large part in formation of Akhundov's europeanized outlook." This fact doesn't seem to be true. Akhundov's first work The Oriental Poem published in (1837) while Khachatur Abovian seems published his first work Predtropye in (1838). I think the prase, "Akhundov played role in Khachatur Abovian 's europeanized outlook", is more believable. -- Gulmammad- 16:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
According to britannica his name is Akhoundzadeh, then move to this title? Farhikht ( talk) 16:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 18:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Mirza Fatali Akhundzadeh → Mirza Fatali Akhundov – per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:USEENGLISH
-- Takabeg ( talk) 07:29, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
It's very clear that "Mirza Fatali Akhundzadeh" is not common in English. Takabeg ( talk) 02:13, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
According to Books Ngram Viewer, Mirza Fatali Akhundov is overwhelming others. Takabeg ( talk) 02:15, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Naming few books that contains his name as Akhundzade does not make Takabeg's claim correct. In fact books like this claims he is Akhundov not Akhundzade, http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fvqYSoRvAI4C&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=mirza+fatali+akhundov+encyclopedia&source=bl&ots=JlRWwq2I66&sig=6VYNB-Tts-Re5pJ2bDMtExdbjrA&hl=en&ei=InNrTpi2DsvC8QOxgswO&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false plus Encyclopedias also claims he is Akhundov not Akhundzade.-- NovaSkola ( talk) 14:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
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"Mirza Fatali Akhundov":about 1,200 hits in GBooks [2] and sbout 123 results on GScholar. [3]
"Mirza Fatali Akhundzade" about 289results on GBooks[] https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Mirza+Fatali+Akhundzade%22&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipjaSJ9bXgAhXGJ1AKHVaFDxAQ_AUIFCgB&biw=1920&bih=1064 and about 31 on GScholar. [4]
The name should always match the title and that should be changed only through an official move request. Doug Weller talk 09:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
The argument could also be made that the majority of people which wrote with that name were related to Russia or the Soviet Union which Russified names from all different cultures. Akhundzade was an ultra-nationalist Iranian and one of the major forerunners to modern Iranian nationalism, I would assume that from this it would be preferred that his non-Russified Iranian name of "Akhundzade" be used. In this case I also assume that the name used might just be dependent on where the author or what their view is on this issue. Migboy123 ( talk) 03:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
There is not a single citation to support anything written in that section, can someone actually provide any evidence of anything stated there? I cannot find anything on the internet which supports what's written there. If anyone else can't, I will assume it's false. Migboy123 ( talk) 03:37, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Why are you deleting the fact he was Azerbaijani playwriter? This fact is given in Iranica encyclopedia. Read the article : [5]. The source also mentions him as propagator of alphabet reform.-- Abutalub ( talk) 12:13, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I never deleted that he was an Azerbaijani play writer, do not make such statements. I am asking you to give me sources which prove that he did promote such alphabet reform as stated. Can you highlight the exact quote from Encyclopedia Iranica please? It only mentions him as a propogator of alphabet reform, what alphabet? It could be the Perso-Arabic script in general, you can't assume, you need a solid statement. If there isn't a solid statement which says such a thing this is fabrication, please highlight the exact quote and not just that he was a propagator of alphabet reform. The man was an Iranian ultra-nationalist, not nationalist, ultra-nationalist, and this must be made clear as it is his identity. Migboy123 ( talk) 05:46, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
If you don't respond, I will assume you do not have a counter-argument and I will proceed to delete the text as it is unsourced and thus fabricated information. Migboy123 ( talk) 10:04, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I have provided my argument on Abutableb's talk page and on LouisAragon's page. Abutalab, can you actually counter my argument? It doesn't matter if a million sources back your point, I have plenty of sources which say he's Iranian and he also identified as Iranian, it was his choice and according to Wikipedia's rules you must write what he identified as. Also, there was no such thing as the "Republic of Azerbaijan" back then even though he lived in Aran, you can't say he's from there. Encyclopedia Iranica also considers Azerbaijanis as an Iranian peoples, not nationality wise only, so you shouldn't add Encyclopedia Iranica as a source. Migboy123 ( talk) 02:31, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
@ KhakePakeVatan: @ Abutalub: Could you two please stop abusing the article and discuss it instead? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
In all his literary activity, Āḵūndzāda showed a special interest in Iran, and he corresponded with several prominent Iranians by means of whom he hoped to influence the cultural and intellectual life of the country. Indeed, despite his loyalty to Russia and the fact that he wrote all his major works first in Azeri Turkish, not in Persian, he claimed on occasion to regard himself as an Iranian, for his father’s ancestors had been Persian, not Turkish, the family’s connection with Azerbaijan beginning only with his grandfather’s migration there from Rašt. This sense of Iranian identity along with his hostility to Islam produced in him a hatred for the Arabs and a nostalgia for pre-Islamic Iran that led him to exclude Zoroastrianism from his general strictures on religion. [9]
The above source provided by LouisAragon already answered to that : "despite his loyalty to Russia and the fact that he wrote all his major works first in Azeri Turkish, not in Persian, he claimed on occasion to regard himself as an Iranian,".---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 20:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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I recently made edits to clarify certain areas of the article. However, @ CuriousGolden: has reverted my edits with the reasoning: "Changing Azeri Turkic to Azerbaijani and changing "Azerbaijan" to Republic of Azerbaijan frankly makes the sentences unnecessarily longer without providing any new information." First of all, my reason in doing this is because the word Azerbaijani, is used far more both colloquially and academically to describe the Azerbaijani language and it is of the same word count without a space as well, so it neuters GoldenCircle's argument that it makes the "sentences unnecessarily longer". Second of all, The reason why I changed "Azerbaijan" to "Republic of Azerbaijan" was because of two reasons, the first being that it might get confused with the Iranian region of Azerbaijan especially because the modern Republic of Azerbaijan only adopted the name Azerbaijan in 1918, so this can create further confusion because during that period and historically the only region that has been called Azerbaijan is present day Iranian Azerbaijan. But my main reason in making the edit was because the article explicitly states "present-day" and the article should be using present-day names. The purpose of these edits was not to provide "new information", it was to clarify and refine already existing information, which is another goal of editing articles. I also do not see how 10 or 15 extra characters really makes it figuratively "longer" or creates any disruptions, matter of fact it has more positive consequences because of the clarification it brings to the article. I would like to hear your response CuriousGolden. KhakePakeVatan ( talk) 04:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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his house is not separately notable DGG ( talk ) 10:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
In the section of Iranian nationalism, there is more talks about what Zia-Ebrahimi thinks about Iranian nationalism than what Mirza Fatali Akhundov thought or what his influence was on the matter. If people don't disagree, i will remove the irrelevant content. Maybe Reza can find another place to put his opinions. 2001:DF4:3200:1500:4965:1E12:D595:AC2A ( talk) 23:53, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
If a diversity hire from a well known university writes about someone, does that justify their unproven opinion to be on the wiki article of that person? Hence i don't see why zia ebrahimi's opinion piece that no one agrees with should be listed here. 115.70.22.45 ( talk) 01:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
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Tadeusz Swietochowski does not call Akhundov an "Iranian nationalist". No personal interpretations, please, that's against the rules. Grandmaster 07:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I took out part of the quote Elsanaturk added which isnt about Akhundzade. Hajji Piruz 19:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Elsanaturk insists on having it in there. Look at the above discussion. If he wants to mention Turkish nationalism, then I simply said lets quote the whole thing. Elsanaturk does make a point though, it does reflect the influence of Russian based scholars on Turkish nationalism, and the sentence you mentioned describes that nationalism. So I think its ok to keep the quote. Hajji Piruz 04:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
what i know, his father was not so wealthy, but was a merchant from Khoy, who could hardly be a middle class-man. Ateshi - Baghavan 19:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I just removed a phrase saying "Armenian writers Khachatur Abovian, Gabriel Sundukyan and others played a large part in formation of Akhundov's europeanized outlook." This fact doesn't seem to be true. Akhundov's first work The Oriental Poem published in (1837) while Khachatur Abovian seems published his first work Predtropye in (1838). I think the prase, "Akhundov played role in Khachatur Abovian 's europeanized outlook", is more believable. -- Gulmammad- 16:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
According to britannica his name is Akhoundzadeh, then move to this title? Farhikht ( talk) 16:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 18:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Mirza Fatali Akhundzadeh → Mirza Fatali Akhundov – per WP:COMMONNAME & WP:USEENGLISH
-- Takabeg ( talk) 07:29, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
It's very clear that "Mirza Fatali Akhundzadeh" is not common in English. Takabeg ( talk) 02:13, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
According to Books Ngram Viewer, Mirza Fatali Akhundov is overwhelming others. Takabeg ( talk) 02:15, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Naming few books that contains his name as Akhundzade does not make Takabeg's claim correct. In fact books like this claims he is Akhundov not Akhundzade, http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fvqYSoRvAI4C&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=mirza+fatali+akhundov+encyclopedia&source=bl&ots=JlRWwq2I66&sig=6VYNB-Tts-Re5pJ2bDMtExdbjrA&hl=en&ei=InNrTpi2DsvC8QOxgswO&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false plus Encyclopedias also claims he is Akhundov not Akhundzade.-- NovaSkola ( talk) 14:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
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I added reliable source [1] but it was undo by user 188.158.94.177
References
"Mirza Fatali Akhundov":about 1,200 hits in GBooks [2] and sbout 123 results on GScholar. [3]
"Mirza Fatali Akhundzade" about 289results on GBooks[] https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Mirza+Fatali+Akhundzade%22&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipjaSJ9bXgAhXGJ1AKHVaFDxAQ_AUIFCgB&biw=1920&bih=1064 and about 31 on GScholar. [4]
The name should always match the title and that should be changed only through an official move request. Doug Weller talk 09:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
The argument could also be made that the majority of people which wrote with that name were related to Russia or the Soviet Union which Russified names from all different cultures. Akhundzade was an ultra-nationalist Iranian and one of the major forerunners to modern Iranian nationalism, I would assume that from this it would be preferred that his non-Russified Iranian name of "Akhundzade" be used. In this case I also assume that the name used might just be dependent on where the author or what their view is on this issue. Migboy123 ( talk) 03:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
There is not a single citation to support anything written in that section, can someone actually provide any evidence of anything stated there? I cannot find anything on the internet which supports what's written there. If anyone else can't, I will assume it's false. Migboy123 ( talk) 03:37, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Why are you deleting the fact he was Azerbaijani playwriter? This fact is given in Iranica encyclopedia. Read the article : [5]. The source also mentions him as propagator of alphabet reform.-- Abutalub ( talk) 12:13, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I never deleted that he was an Azerbaijani play writer, do not make such statements. I am asking you to give me sources which prove that he did promote such alphabet reform as stated. Can you highlight the exact quote from Encyclopedia Iranica please? It only mentions him as a propogator of alphabet reform, what alphabet? It could be the Perso-Arabic script in general, you can't assume, you need a solid statement. If there isn't a solid statement which says such a thing this is fabrication, please highlight the exact quote and not just that he was a propagator of alphabet reform. The man was an Iranian ultra-nationalist, not nationalist, ultra-nationalist, and this must be made clear as it is his identity. Migboy123 ( talk) 05:46, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
If you don't respond, I will assume you do not have a counter-argument and I will proceed to delete the text as it is unsourced and thus fabricated information. Migboy123 ( talk) 10:04, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I have provided my argument on Abutableb's talk page and on LouisAragon's page. Abutalab, can you actually counter my argument? It doesn't matter if a million sources back your point, I have plenty of sources which say he's Iranian and he also identified as Iranian, it was his choice and according to Wikipedia's rules you must write what he identified as. Also, there was no such thing as the "Republic of Azerbaijan" back then even though he lived in Aran, you can't say he's from there. Encyclopedia Iranica also considers Azerbaijanis as an Iranian peoples, not nationality wise only, so you shouldn't add Encyclopedia Iranica as a source. Migboy123 ( talk) 02:31, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
@ KhakePakeVatan: @ Abutalub: Could you two please stop abusing the article and discuss it instead? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
In all his literary activity, Āḵūndzāda showed a special interest in Iran, and he corresponded with several prominent Iranians by means of whom he hoped to influence the cultural and intellectual life of the country. Indeed, despite his loyalty to Russia and the fact that he wrote all his major works first in Azeri Turkish, not in Persian, he claimed on occasion to regard himself as an Iranian, for his father’s ancestors had been Persian, not Turkish, the family’s connection with Azerbaijan beginning only with his grandfather’s migration there from Rašt. This sense of Iranian identity along with his hostility to Islam produced in him a hatred for the Arabs and a nostalgia for pre-Islamic Iran that led him to exclude Zoroastrianism from his general strictures on religion. [9]
The above source provided by LouisAragon already answered to that : "despite his loyalty to Russia and the fact that he wrote all his major works first in Azeri Turkish, not in Persian, he claimed on occasion to regard himself as an Iranian,".---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 20:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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I recently made edits to clarify certain areas of the article. However, @ CuriousGolden: has reverted my edits with the reasoning: "Changing Azeri Turkic to Azerbaijani and changing "Azerbaijan" to Republic of Azerbaijan frankly makes the sentences unnecessarily longer without providing any new information." First of all, my reason in doing this is because the word Azerbaijani, is used far more both colloquially and academically to describe the Azerbaijani language and it is of the same word count without a space as well, so it neuters GoldenCircle's argument that it makes the "sentences unnecessarily longer". Second of all, The reason why I changed "Azerbaijan" to "Republic of Azerbaijan" was because of two reasons, the first being that it might get confused with the Iranian region of Azerbaijan especially because the modern Republic of Azerbaijan only adopted the name Azerbaijan in 1918, so this can create further confusion because during that period and historically the only region that has been called Azerbaijan is present day Iranian Azerbaijan. But my main reason in making the edit was because the article explicitly states "present-day" and the article should be using present-day names. The purpose of these edits was not to provide "new information", it was to clarify and refine already existing information, which is another goal of editing articles. I also do not see how 10 or 15 extra characters really makes it figuratively "longer" or creates any disruptions, matter of fact it has more positive consequences because of the clarification it brings to the article. I would like to hear your response CuriousGolden. KhakePakeVatan ( talk) 04:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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his house is not separately notable DGG ( talk ) 10:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
In the section of Iranian nationalism, there is more talks about what Zia-Ebrahimi thinks about Iranian nationalism than what Mirza Fatali Akhundov thought or what his influence was on the matter. If people don't disagree, i will remove the irrelevant content. Maybe Reza can find another place to put his opinions. 2001:DF4:3200:1500:4965:1E12:D595:AC2A ( talk) 23:53, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
If a diversity hire from a well known university writes about someone, does that justify their unproven opinion to be on the wiki article of that person? Hence i don't see why zia ebrahimi's opinion piece that no one agrees with should be listed here. 115.70.22.45 ( talk) 01:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)