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I was just over at the Memoirs of a Geisha to register my concern over NPOV, and now I find the same issue here.
The assertion that Iwasaki is upset over the similarity of the people in her career to the characters in Geisha needs to be given a reference or removed, especially since the whole point being made when it's discussed in the article seems to be how different the characters are from the historical individuals. Iwasaki's lawsuit was about her name appearing the acknowledgements, not over the novel being too close to her life. Without a reference, this assertion reads like a Wikipedia editor read Iwasaki's biography and Golden's novel, formed their own opinion and wrote it up here (use of the phrase "no doubt" makes this inclusion pretty much impossible to avoid), in which case I'd recommend a thorough rereading of WP:NOR--it comes across as simply character assassination of Arthur Golden. Binabik80 00:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
John Smith's, why did you revert my recent changes? I don't believe there were any significant changes to the informational content, my revisions were primarily an attempt to clarify the article and improve the writing style. I think my version is also slightly more NPOV. If you found my changes objectionable, I'd like to know why. CKarnstein 21:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Given that she refered to herself as a geiko (and was from Kyoto), I think we should use that. If she had come from a part of Japan that didn't use that term, then fine. John Smith's 10:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
It would've helped if I had known that. Ah well. Thanks. ViceroyInterus 19:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
First, she sues the author for breach of contract (didn't want others to know she had spoken about Geisha life). Now, she writes an autobiography?? Alright, maybe the Japanese already know she had already spilled the beans, but why would she do it AGAIN and write a more "truthful" account of Geisha life? She's just breaking the code of silence even more. Why did she sue the other author to begin with than?
I've read a interview with her, and she claims that they are not prostitutes (geishas); yet, I have heard (I'm not sure if it's true) that she had sold her virginity for a very high price. I don't know about her, but that sounds like prostitution to me -- money for sex.
I guess from a cultural anthropologist's point of view, being a geisha isn't equivalent to being a prostitute. But I don't think I buy that. It still sounds like prostitution. 24.23.51.27 08:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, back in ancient times, Geisha DID perform a ritual where her virginity was given to the highest bidder, but that was the only time she was ever allowed to have sex for money and not get in trouble. Howver, within the past 100-200 years, they have ceased to do that ceritan ritual and it no longer takes place. So in Memoirs of a Geisha, they protray a long extinct ritual once preformed by Geisha. IT IS NOT PROSTITITION. Orian are Japanese prostitutes, not Geishas.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.151.168.68 ( talk • contribs)
Pardon my gravedigging, but prostitution was banned in Japan in 1958 and mizuage went with it. Since she was eight at that time (and only about three or four years at the okiya), she probably would've missed it. Mother Sakaguchi, Auntie Oima, and yes, probably even Mama Masako would've gone through with it. 23.121.160.252 ( talk) 20:18, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Did anyone actually read this book? There's no article here on wikipedia on the book yet...
'Geisha of Gion' is the UK title of the US book, 'Geisha, A Life'. The content isn't different. 134.69.230.129 22:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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I was looking for some information on the author/book and came across this article. I updated and sourced some information (the Phoenix link is still there, I just moved it from external and used it as a source). However I cannot find any citation of her case with Golden being settled, in or out of court. Anyone have some better luck? Travellingcari ( talk) 01:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
The removal of this long-standing section on Iwasaki should not have been made without discussion and consensus-achieving. Important text and sources were removed by the editor and we need it here. Please start a conversation here first rather than just cut material without even an edit summary - that is essentially vandalism. In the meantime I have reverted. John Smith's ( talk) 20:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
AGameOf You, was that a joke edit or serious? Because I cannot understand for the life of you why you made it. It was fine as it was, but you made a grammatical mess for... I do not know what reason. I have reverted it accordingly. If you want to change the meaning can you please explain what you want to say here first? That way I might be able to help you write something simpler. John Smith's ( talk) 19:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
This is the correct url from the web archive: <ecode> http://web.archive.org/web/20061116074453/http://timesonline.typepad.com/times_tokyo_weblog/2006/03/the_queen_and_t_1.html</ecode>. My phones browser couldn't handle it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Family Guy Guy ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Guys I'm no specialist on her biography or anything but if she quit at age 29 and her mentor's death that precipitated her retirement was in 1980, then she was either not born in 49 or older when she retired (ノ>▽<。)ノ Source: Basic Arithmetic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sugar128 ( talk • contribs) 10:15, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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So why was the book cover removed? I don't understand what "nonfree book cover in author BLP lede" means. It's fair use, shows the cover of the book written by her - is there anything wrong with that? John Smith's ( talk)
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I noticed that not only were there two separate external links sections, but that the first contained only download links for Mineko Iwasaki's books. Clearly this is copyright infringement. I have removed the links.
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I was just over at the Memoirs of a Geisha to register my concern over NPOV, and now I find the same issue here.
The assertion that Iwasaki is upset over the similarity of the people in her career to the characters in Geisha needs to be given a reference or removed, especially since the whole point being made when it's discussed in the article seems to be how different the characters are from the historical individuals. Iwasaki's lawsuit was about her name appearing the acknowledgements, not over the novel being too close to her life. Without a reference, this assertion reads like a Wikipedia editor read Iwasaki's biography and Golden's novel, formed their own opinion and wrote it up here (use of the phrase "no doubt" makes this inclusion pretty much impossible to avoid), in which case I'd recommend a thorough rereading of WP:NOR--it comes across as simply character assassination of Arthur Golden. Binabik80 00:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
John Smith's, why did you revert my recent changes? I don't believe there were any significant changes to the informational content, my revisions were primarily an attempt to clarify the article and improve the writing style. I think my version is also slightly more NPOV. If you found my changes objectionable, I'd like to know why. CKarnstein 21:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Given that she refered to herself as a geiko (and was from Kyoto), I think we should use that. If she had come from a part of Japan that didn't use that term, then fine. John Smith's 10:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
It would've helped if I had known that. Ah well. Thanks. ViceroyInterus 19:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
First, she sues the author for breach of contract (didn't want others to know she had spoken about Geisha life). Now, she writes an autobiography?? Alright, maybe the Japanese already know she had already spilled the beans, but why would she do it AGAIN and write a more "truthful" account of Geisha life? She's just breaking the code of silence even more. Why did she sue the other author to begin with than?
I've read a interview with her, and she claims that they are not prostitutes (geishas); yet, I have heard (I'm not sure if it's true) that she had sold her virginity for a very high price. I don't know about her, but that sounds like prostitution to me -- money for sex.
I guess from a cultural anthropologist's point of view, being a geisha isn't equivalent to being a prostitute. But I don't think I buy that. It still sounds like prostitution. 24.23.51.27 08:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, back in ancient times, Geisha DID perform a ritual where her virginity was given to the highest bidder, but that was the only time she was ever allowed to have sex for money and not get in trouble. Howver, within the past 100-200 years, they have ceased to do that ceritan ritual and it no longer takes place. So in Memoirs of a Geisha, they protray a long extinct ritual once preformed by Geisha. IT IS NOT PROSTITITION. Orian are Japanese prostitutes, not Geishas.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.151.168.68 ( talk • contribs)
Pardon my gravedigging, but prostitution was banned in Japan in 1958 and mizuage went with it. Since she was eight at that time (and only about three or four years at the okiya), she probably would've missed it. Mother Sakaguchi, Auntie Oima, and yes, probably even Mama Masako would've gone through with it. 23.121.160.252 ( talk) 20:18, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Did anyone actually read this book? There's no article here on wikipedia on the book yet...
'Geisha of Gion' is the UK title of the US book, 'Geisha, A Life'. The content isn't different. 134.69.230.129 22:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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I was looking for some information on the author/book and came across this article. I updated and sourced some information (the Phoenix link is still there, I just moved it from external and used it as a source). However I cannot find any citation of her case with Golden being settled, in or out of court. Anyone have some better luck? Travellingcari ( talk) 01:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
The removal of this long-standing section on Iwasaki should not have been made without discussion and consensus-achieving. Important text and sources were removed by the editor and we need it here. Please start a conversation here first rather than just cut material without even an edit summary - that is essentially vandalism. In the meantime I have reverted. John Smith's ( talk) 20:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
AGameOf You, was that a joke edit or serious? Because I cannot understand for the life of you why you made it. It was fine as it was, but you made a grammatical mess for... I do not know what reason. I have reverted it accordingly. If you want to change the meaning can you please explain what you want to say here first? That way I might be able to help you write something simpler. John Smith's ( talk) 19:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
This is the correct url from the web archive: <ecode> http://web.archive.org/web/20061116074453/http://timesonline.typepad.com/times_tokyo_weblog/2006/03/the_queen_and_t_1.html</ecode>. My phones browser couldn't handle it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Family Guy Guy ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Guys I'm no specialist on her biography or anything but if she quit at age 29 and her mentor's death that precipitated her retirement was in 1980, then she was either not born in 49 or older when she retired (ノ>▽<。)ノ Source: Basic Arithmetic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sugar128 ( talk • contribs) 10:15, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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So why was the book cover removed? I don't understand what "nonfree book cover in author BLP lede" means. It's fair use, shows the cover of the book written by her - is there anything wrong with that? John Smith's ( talk)
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