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Toivelling? Men using it after a "nocturnal emission?" Going further into the phrase: "Some men, especially in Hasidic circles, also use the mikvah regularly, either daily, before Shabbat, or before certain Jewish holidays." would be nice. People do use the Mikveh, regularly, and the way the article looks now, you'd think it was a dead practice.
For Toivelling, I found a good article via Google: http://www.northcliffshul.co.za/mikvah.htm
— <TALK JNDRLINE TALK> 23:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
My ( Modern Orthodox) Rabbi's tvila cheatsheet (please adapt rather than copy):
1) There is a Mitzvah (commandment) to immerse all metal and glass utensils that are used in food preparation and consumption into a ritual bath (“mikveh”.). This is referred to as “tevilah” (immersion).
a) This mitzvah is learned from the story of the war against Midian (Numbers chapter 31). In this story, the Jewish People captured dishes among the spoils of war. The Torah commands us to both kasher and immerse the dishes.
i) According to some opinions, this constitutes a sort of sanctification and “conversion” for the dishes. (Others maintain that this is a Torah command whose reason remains hidden.)
ii) Thus, it need only be done when a Gentile previously owned the dishes. If the dishes were made by Jews (Israeli factory and a Jewish store) or owned by Jews who immersed them, then there is no need to immerse.
b) One is not allowed to use utensils that have not been immersed, but if they are used - the food is still kosher. This procedure is completely separate from the process of kashering dishes and keeping kosher. It is an independent commandment regarding one’s dishes.
c) This is a “one-shot deal.” The mitzvah is performed once per utensil, and that’s it.
i) Even if the utensil subsequently becomes non-kosher, it does not need to be immersed again - as long as it remained in your possession.
ii) If a utensil requires both kashering and immersion, kashering is done first.
2) Materials subject to immersion
a) This commandment only applies to metal and glass utensils. Thus:
i) Immersion with a blessing: metal, glass, pyrex, duralex, corelle, bone china (it’s glass).
ii) Immersion without a blessing: corningware, enamel, etc.
iii) Do not require immersion: plastic, wood, stone, styrofoam, earthenware (including glazed china [the glaze is too thin]), paper, etc.
3) Types of utensils subject to immersion:
a) Immersion with a blessing: all utensils used to make food available or ready to eat.
i) Examples: dishes, flatware, glasses, knives, and even appliances.
ii) Appliances can be tricky - one doesn’t want to ruin an electrical appliance. 3 options:
(1) If the part of the appliance that comes in contact with food is removable, then that is the only part that requires immersion. (i.e.- toaster oven racks)
(2) Anecdotal evidence indicates that most appliances can be immersed and will be fine if allowed to dry out for a few days before usage. It is recommended to dry them out on a heater, and do not be alarmed if a little bit of smoke comes out during their first usage. If a lot of smoke comes out, discontinue usage.
(3) If one takes the appliance apart to the point that it is not useable and then reassembles it, then it was “constructed” by a Jew and does not require immersion.
b) Immersion without a blessing: utensils that do not make food immediately ready to eat are immersed without a blessing (i.e.- storage containers, mixer beaters, etc.)
c) Do not require immersion: utensils that do not come in contact with food (i.e. - can-openers, the body of an oven [racks require immersion], etc.)
4) If only part of the utensil is metal/glass, then it only requires immersion if that part is the part that touches the food.
a) Example: A wooden salad bowl with metal handles does not require immersion.
5) Procedure:
a) Make sure that the utensil is clean of debris and stickers
i) Soapy water is very effective at removing the stickers
ii) If a sticker is difficult to remove and you wouldn’t remove it before serving special company, then it need not be removed.
b) Go to a ritual bath (“mikveh.”)
c) Just before beginning to immerse utensils, one recites the following blessing:
i) “Baruch Atah Ado-nai E-loheinu Melech HaOlam Asher Kidshanu B’Mitzvosav V’Tzivanu Al Tevilas Keilim” (if only one, substitute “Kli” for the last word.)
ii) ”Blessed are you Hashem, King of the Universe, who sanctified us with your commandments and commanded us regarding the immersion of utensils” (if only one, substitute “a utensil” for the last word.)
iii) One blessing is sufficient to cover all the utensils being immersed at one time. One should avoid talking between the recitation of the blessing and immersing the vessels.
d) Dunk the utensils
i) It is very important that the utensil be exposed to water on all sides at once.
ii) One should make sure that there is no air trapped in the utensil
(1) Ritual baths usually have a rack or bucket available, so that the utensils can be dropped in (to ensure that water touched them on all sides.) If not, then wet your hands before dunking and hold the utensil loosely.
e) Utensils need only be exposed to the water for an instant.
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The above article mistakenly states that the use of a mikva is forbidden on Shabbos and Yom Tov, as a matter of fact that is false - according to most Hassidic customs the mikva is used by men on Shabbos and Yom Tov just as well and according to Hassidic teachings Shabbos is the most important and holy time in which to immerse oneself in a mikva (women after nida period also use a mikva on shab) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.232.117.61 ( talk) 10:02, 20/Jun/06
The correct name is Mikveh. I suggest we move the page there. DMTsurel 15:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe a better page for information on immersing utensils is Tevilah (immersion) -- it has its own page and needs more content. Also, could you supply a source for the information in the table? Thanks. Best, -- Shirahadasha 07:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Im all for keeping it mikveh but there is no official translation of Hebrew letters to English (or Latin) letters so it cant be wrong to say mikvah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swanson16 ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Currently section on this Boston organization has no sources other than its own web site. Previously the section made a number of claims about it, including that the organization has led to a renaissance in Mikva use among Conservative Jews. Removed those claims for the time being. As an FYI any mention of the organization at all requires verification including independent evidence of the organization's notability based on reliable sources. An organization's own web site can be used to present the organization's positions on issues, but not for claims about its notability, impact on society, etc. Will have to delete this whole section unless appropriate sources are found. Sorry about this. -- Shirahadasha 07:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Found sources. Times of Israel cites that it recently made Slingshot Guide's List of Jewish programs that are "the most cutting-edge, innovative programs" for the 12th time. [1] Ruderman Foundation praised it for its disability accessibility. [2] Tablet mag also cited it as a major contributor to a renewed non-Orthodox mikveh formation and use movement, [3] as does MyJewishLearning. [4] Is this enough to make a small section worthwhile? Sunshine 01:32, 7 November 2018 (UTC) User:Sunshine 20:32, 6 November 2018 (EST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunshine6298 ( talk • contribs)
Hi! I found an article from Tikkun Magazine that looks at Mayim Hayyim's impact on the mikveh experiences of trans Jews [5], which might also make a small section on this applicable/more robust. Springwinter19 ( talk) 03:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)Springwinter19
I added in a section on transgender people and mikveh use. It mentions Mayyim Hayyim but is not centered around that one specific organization. Springwinter19 ( talk) 15:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)Springwinter19
References
I'm looking for the opportunity to link to a description of an ancient miqweh which includes the logic of the otsar to "refresh" the miqweh. Otsarim are to be seen at Masada, Gamla, etc. What should I do here, suggest an addition on the subject or produce a separate article? Thanks.
-- Ihutchesson 23:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
The article makes the following statement: "A mikvah must contain a minimum of forty se'ah of water, approximately 200 gallons or 750 liters." These values seem too high. According to the Weights and Measures article from the online Jewish Encyclopedia, a se'ah is "equal to six cabs, or 13,184.44 cu. cm." So, at approximately 13.2 liters per se'ah, this comes out to 528 liters or 140 U.S. liquid gallons. Other sources, including Wikipedia's article on se'ah, peg the measure at 7.33 liters (1/3 of a bath), which makes the mikvah even smaller at 293 liters. Anyway, I would appreciate someone justifying the 750 liter value. Tm19 05:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
The construction of modern mikvaos and the permitting by health authorities is an issue that needs clarification. Mikvaos are seen by the authorities as public swimming pools and there are severe health requirements such as Legionella spp. control, filtration and desinfection of the rainwater (which in big cities normally is highly contaminated), how is the water recirculated and filtrated, heating systems and so on. Another problem we are having (I am an Israeli water engineer) is how to upgrade old mikvaos and get the Health Authorities´s approval to legally operate them. (Jaim Klein) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.25.164 ( talk) 18:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
This issue is much more complicated than it seems. The Talmud gives 2 measurements 40 seah and 3 by 1 by 1 cubits. 40 seah can be broken down into cav and eventually eggs, the problem is that the two measurements nowadays are way off (apparently egg and/or human size has change in the past 1600 years) so 40 seah which is equal to 5760 eggs is much smaller than 3 cubits cubed. The Chazon Ish says that since the cubit is the biblical measurement and the conversion to 40 seah is rabbinic therefore we must bestringent for the biblical size. He says that the size of a cubit is 59.7 cent. This would make a mikvah 648 litres and since the halakhic works say to add 1/48 to each cubit you end up with 680 litres. All women Mikvas are bigger than this amount. Benignuman 21:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Need to discuss Zav/Zavah status (for a zavah, this is basically non-menstrual uteral blood, requires a 7 day waiting period and requires immersion -- it's similar to but technically distinct from niddah, involving normal menstrual blood). Orthodox Judaism requires immersion after zavah status. Conservative Judaism recently changed its viewpoint and put out a number of responsa on the subject, and its viewpoint is now somewhat different from Orthodox Judaism. While retaining the basic concept, they liberalized some of the technical details. In particular, the responsa either limited (e.g. by exempting bleeding due to fertility drugs) or effectively abolished Zavah status, and also reduced the time in the regular menstrual niddah state to a total of seven days rather than 11-12. The Niddah article currently has details but they haven't addressed here. Will get to this. -- Shirahadasha 14:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Could we not beat around the bush? A mikvah is a body of water used for ritual purification in Jewish law. The word "mikvah", though in principle ambiguous, is not commonly used in any other sense. Shalom Hello 22:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
As far as I know, all Hasidic groups use the mikveh daily, not just before Shabbos; and non-Hasidic Heradim are no more or less likely to use the mikveh before Shabbos than their Daat Leumi counterparts. 212.179.209.103 23:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Under "External links," I added a link to a list (which I compiled) of Conservative, Reform, liberal, and other unaffiliated mikvaot (which are not listed on mikvah.org). AFAIK there is not any other comprehensive list of them. Onanothertopic ( talk) 00:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
A historical Mikvah was just unearthed in Barbados close the the Synagogue.
CaribDigita ( talk) 00:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Is there any Proof that "generally have wiry curly hair, which is difficult to comb." this is based on what exactly? in my Experience its Yemenites & ASHKENAZIM which tend to have an afro like texture, In fact the "Jewfro" is an Ashkenazi thing. (Think Gabe Kaplan) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.241.66 ( talk) 17:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
There is a discussion located here on the talk page of the Niddah article that applies to this article as well, as it discusses the inclusion of the external link www.mymikvahcalendar.com. Please use that discussion unless the content specifically applies to this article and not the Niddah article. -shirulashem (talk) 17:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Regarding this revert, can someone explain why this article should somehow circumvent WP:SPAM? Frank | talk 18:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Guidelines exist as a means of documenting what is generally acceptable - that's the point. There should definitely be a good reason to go against the guideline. In any case, I don't see any consensus to allow spam in this article. What I see is an argument that the external site isn't for-profit, so therefore it can't be spam. I doubt there would be much success at getting consensus to agree with that point of view. Frank | talk 20:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Ntb613 - What we are saying is that since it is a guideline to keep links like this out, you would need to get more editors involved in this discussion and establish a consensus to keep the links in. -shirulashem (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
As I have stated on Talk:Niddah#www.mymikvahcalendar.com_link (unaware of the discussion here), I support this specific link as relevant and contributing to this article. Debresser ( talk) 16:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move.
Anthony Appleyard (
talk) 16:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Mikvah →
Mikveh — The correct spelling (from Hebrew) is with "e". This is also the most common spelling in English.
Debresser (
talk) 23:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It should be "mikve(h)", with an "e". "Mikva(h)" with an "a" is just a (widespread) mistake. Same with the Hebrew: it should be written with a segol, not a kamatz. See the Hebrew wikidictionary. Likewise in the biblical verses Bereishit 1, 10 and Yirmiya 14, 8. Propose to move this page if consensus will agree with this. Debresser ( talk) 16:24, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.I think we need a volunteer to search and see which usage, in English, is more common. -shirulashem (talk) 00:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I get that RM is not necessarily a democracy, but 3 against, 2 for (counting OP), and 1 for a third form was not a result to move when there was no actual evidence that mikveh is more common. ( Here's some, but it only applies to American English: mikvah is rapidly becoming dominant in British; taken together it's a wash.) So—given that the page seems to use British English either by design or by forgetting to configure {{ convert}} properly—what was that about? — LlywelynII 15:07, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
If you're going to give the volume of a mikveh in liters, you should be giving the top-off amount in liters not pints and vice versa. 4.249.63.205 ( talk) 15:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Ḥammān (Islamic baths) are a similar type of ritual purification bath house but it has not got it's own article. The article Turkish bath exists but it's not generic enough. Some editor that has much experience on this article and relevant sources already bookmarked able to flesh out a more generic article on Ḥammāns OR make Turkish bath generic enough to cover the whole subject.... possibly suggest a consensus on renaming Turkish bath to Hamman with a redirect from Turkish bath to Hamman? 24.241.69.99 ( talk) 07:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Currently (2024) there are separate pages for Hammam and Victorian Turkish baths. Mikvaoth were built in several Victorian Turkish baths both in 19th century England (as at the Oriental Baths in Leeds) and Ireland (in Cork), and in the 20th century (as in Bournemouth). Ishpoloni ( talk) 22:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
We've got the standard one, which is fine. We've got two forms of it which is probably unnecessary but could probably be explained. (Is the one on the right more ancient/traditional? It should be formatted to clarify that.) Now what are these? Hebrew: מִקְוִים / מִקְווֹת / מִקְוָאוֹת The plural forms? If so, fine, but they should be formatted so that they precede their romanizations and readers can understand what they're looking at. Except not really fine, since Hebrew declension isn't really germane to the English-language page. There should be a {{ linktext}} or [[wikt:xxx|yyy]] link to the Hebrew's Wiktionary entry for that kind of information. What we should have are the English plurals, which seem to be mostly standard ~s and sometimes mikvaot.
While we're at it, a lot of the first paragraph seems off-topic and could probably be improved. If we're keeping two separate Hebrew forms, three plurals, translits, translations, and explanations of the history of the word's usage, it's probably better that we just start explaining what the word normally means and shunt the rest into a #Name section, except for the most common modern Hebrew form.
Given that we're (somehow) going with the version that doesn't match the sound at all, we probably ought to note that its English pronunciation is /mɪkvə/ (esp. US) or /mɪkfə/ (esp. UK) and not /mɪkvɛ/ or /mɪkfɛ/. — LlywelynII 15:32, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
A "history" paragraph is sourly missing here. I added a bit to the lead to make a start.
The "otzar" and the fact that it is a modern invention is missing too (see Yonatan Adler (Ariel University), The myth of the ’ôṣār in Second Temple-period ritual baths: an anachronistic interpretation of a modern-era innovation, in Journal of Jewish Studies | vol. lxv | no. 2 | autumn 2014).
Arminden (
talk) 10:42, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Arminden
Arminden (
talk) 10:42, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
More than two years later, and still not a single word lost about the "otzar". Anyone willing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arminden ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 28/Mar/18 (UTC)
We need a section regarding controversies about mikveh use as well as potential protection against problems. Examples include abuse of women by voyeur rabbis (as in Washington, DC), sexual abuse of children and Tzedek's promotion of rules to protect children at a mikveh, as well as controversies surrounding the refusal some single women encounter when they try to use a mikveh. VanEman ( talk) 06:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The issue of mikveh use continues to be an outsize controversy in Israel, one of the issues that appears to threaten the current coalition as well as threaten the relationship between Israel and the diaspora, Orthodoxy and other streams of Judaism. The two sides are clear:
Side 1: Israel is a Jewish state and Orthodox Judaism should be the recognized religion. Orthodox Chief rabbis should prevail. Conservative and Reform movements are not legitimate . They should not receive any recognition, funding or rights in Israel. At any Jewish religious site, women should be treated as Orthodox rabbis decide. Side 2: The Jewish state should recognize and support all streams of Judaism and respect freedom of religion. State funded facilities should be accessible to all. Women should be able to worship as is their custom. Whether any one editor leans toward Side 1 or Side 2, the Jewish community around the world wants to know what's happening and why these issues exist.
I don't find it problematic to cover arguments. We're Jewish. Arguing is what we do. We're done it for thousands of years and we're not going to stop. not now. not ever. Wikipedia needs to embrace that and not sidestep or delete information on well referenced, widely covered conflicts. VanEman ( talk) 17:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
There is no consensus here other than Debresser and me agreeing that info about two controversies it appropriately covered. If there were no more info on these topics, the matter would end. But this issue of Reform and Conservative Jewish rights is continuing to be covered as a MAJOR issue because it is threatening to bring down a coalition government that has only been in place for a year. It's a big deal. If you don't like what I write, then add to it so that it is more balanced from your perspective. I have not put in a single word that is not accurate, well-referenced and up-to-date. I also believe it's balanced. If you don't, then add more perspectives from ultra-Orthodox viewpoints... VanEman ( talk) 04:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
User:VanEman has added some material that is completely unfit for a lead. Statements like "Rabbi such and such pointed to the Bible to show such and such" are so unencyclopedical. He is also edit warring about it, as usual. I have restore the previous text, and added a reference to it. Debresser ( talk) 07:34, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
To be fair, this article was protected after the removal of much information that indeed was unsourced, but 1. nobody claims is incorrect 2. can easily be sourced. I would have been happy to continue working on improving this article. There is no doubt in my mind, that VanEmans removals will be restored in the end, with appropriate sources. The protection at this stage only halts this process. Debresser ( talk) 22:28, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Under Child Abuse, there is a missing space after a closing parenthesis. I can't remember where it is, but the Child Abuse section is pretty small, and it should be easy to find. Lou Sander ( talk) 06:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Why does this article use the term "Jewish priest" instead of "Kohen"? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 10:56, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
I read the article and had a couple of questions which I think the article should be updated to address. How is a mikveh different from a public swimming pool or public bath, in terms of the hygienic requirements? That is,
The first question probably seems silly for those who are familiar with the process. I'm not familiar with it and the article only mentions prior showering for peope with dreadlocks. (The Jewish scholarly authorities always think of everything.) As for the second question, it's clear that the use of running water would have ensured relatively clean water in the pre-modern era, but what is done now? Here on the talk page there is some discussion about how a mikveh is treated as a public swimming pool. Are they tested or chlorinated or something? Again, I don't mean to be intrusive or to appear judgmental about what is done, I'm merely interested in how this process is a part of people's lives. Roches ( talk) 17:19, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
For men, showering or bathing is recommended, by way of cleanliness and a courtesy to other visitors of the mikveh. Is is not obligatory in Jewish law. Not in the time after the destruction of the Temple, in any case. If you think otherwise, you are mistaken. All those signs and articles talk about recommended decent behavior, not Jewish law. Debresser ( talk) 15:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
I think that we can agree to include some text that says that halachically, women are obligated to bathe before mikve. There's no halachic obligation for men, but it is common for modern mikves to require it for hygiene reasons, with some citations to back it up. I'd like to know what the "Sephardic source" mentioned above is, Pi314m. Do Sephardim hold that mikve for men before YK is a halachic obligation? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 15:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
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The second paragraph of the Washington Post's article, quoted with only the above-indicated EDIT, is:
If Tanach is a Primary Source and the Talmud is a Secondary Source, then is anything written in the past 200 years a Tertiary source?
The wording of the Scare Crow which I've copied/moved here (check with your friendly Comp Sci major for the difference) is-
Other situations on Wiki have clearly made the point: if the Native Americans had to be given their say on what Islam believes and those who eat Davar Acher an opinion on Chasicic practices, then Wiki could not have articles on many of the topics which it covers.
If the article is incomplete, then perhaps it's because Wiki is not a manual. Taking a shower in any Brooklyn men's Mikvah is normal practice. Likewise in a woman's Mikvah. I use Brooklyn as source of example since, outside of Israel, there probably is no other place on planet Earth with as many choices of Mikvah per (name your unit of measure). Pi314m ( talk) 20:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Don't normally edit wikipedia, but I was trying to find a source for the statement and the one listed in the references led me to a dead end.
But on page 13 of this document: https://www.kollelmenachem.org/media/pdf/433/juNS4330495.pdf
It is a book I found about mikveh construction that restates something similar. Not sure how to add it as a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.18.124.157 ( talk) 21:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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Toivelling? Men using it after a "nocturnal emission?" Going further into the phrase: "Some men, especially in Hasidic circles, also use the mikvah regularly, either daily, before Shabbat, or before certain Jewish holidays." would be nice. People do use the Mikveh, regularly, and the way the article looks now, you'd think it was a dead practice.
For Toivelling, I found a good article via Google: http://www.northcliffshul.co.za/mikvah.htm
— <TALK JNDRLINE TALK> 23:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
My ( Modern Orthodox) Rabbi's tvila cheatsheet (please adapt rather than copy):
1) There is a Mitzvah (commandment) to immerse all metal and glass utensils that are used in food preparation and consumption into a ritual bath (“mikveh”.). This is referred to as “tevilah” (immersion).
a) This mitzvah is learned from the story of the war against Midian (Numbers chapter 31). In this story, the Jewish People captured dishes among the spoils of war. The Torah commands us to both kasher and immerse the dishes.
i) According to some opinions, this constitutes a sort of sanctification and “conversion” for the dishes. (Others maintain that this is a Torah command whose reason remains hidden.)
ii) Thus, it need only be done when a Gentile previously owned the dishes. If the dishes were made by Jews (Israeli factory and a Jewish store) or owned by Jews who immersed them, then there is no need to immerse.
b) One is not allowed to use utensils that have not been immersed, but if they are used - the food is still kosher. This procedure is completely separate from the process of kashering dishes and keeping kosher. It is an independent commandment regarding one’s dishes.
c) This is a “one-shot deal.” The mitzvah is performed once per utensil, and that’s it.
i) Even if the utensil subsequently becomes non-kosher, it does not need to be immersed again - as long as it remained in your possession.
ii) If a utensil requires both kashering and immersion, kashering is done first.
2) Materials subject to immersion
a) This commandment only applies to metal and glass utensils. Thus:
i) Immersion with a blessing: metal, glass, pyrex, duralex, corelle, bone china (it’s glass).
ii) Immersion without a blessing: corningware, enamel, etc.
iii) Do not require immersion: plastic, wood, stone, styrofoam, earthenware (including glazed china [the glaze is too thin]), paper, etc.
3) Types of utensils subject to immersion:
a) Immersion with a blessing: all utensils used to make food available or ready to eat.
i) Examples: dishes, flatware, glasses, knives, and even appliances.
ii) Appliances can be tricky - one doesn’t want to ruin an electrical appliance. 3 options:
(1) If the part of the appliance that comes in contact with food is removable, then that is the only part that requires immersion. (i.e.- toaster oven racks)
(2) Anecdotal evidence indicates that most appliances can be immersed and will be fine if allowed to dry out for a few days before usage. It is recommended to dry them out on a heater, and do not be alarmed if a little bit of smoke comes out during their first usage. If a lot of smoke comes out, discontinue usage.
(3) If one takes the appliance apart to the point that it is not useable and then reassembles it, then it was “constructed” by a Jew and does not require immersion.
b) Immersion without a blessing: utensils that do not make food immediately ready to eat are immersed without a blessing (i.e.- storage containers, mixer beaters, etc.)
c) Do not require immersion: utensils that do not come in contact with food (i.e. - can-openers, the body of an oven [racks require immersion], etc.)
4) If only part of the utensil is metal/glass, then it only requires immersion if that part is the part that touches the food.
a) Example: A wooden salad bowl with metal handles does not require immersion.
5) Procedure:
a) Make sure that the utensil is clean of debris and stickers
i) Soapy water is very effective at removing the stickers
ii) If a sticker is difficult to remove and you wouldn’t remove it before serving special company, then it need not be removed.
b) Go to a ritual bath (“mikveh.”)
c) Just before beginning to immerse utensils, one recites the following blessing:
i) “Baruch Atah Ado-nai E-loheinu Melech HaOlam Asher Kidshanu B’Mitzvosav V’Tzivanu Al Tevilas Keilim” (if only one, substitute “Kli” for the last word.)
ii) ”Blessed are you Hashem, King of the Universe, who sanctified us with your commandments and commanded us regarding the immersion of utensils” (if only one, substitute “a utensil” for the last word.)
iii) One blessing is sufficient to cover all the utensils being immersed at one time. One should avoid talking between the recitation of the blessing and immersing the vessels.
d) Dunk the utensils
i) It is very important that the utensil be exposed to water on all sides at once.
ii) One should make sure that there is no air trapped in the utensil
(1) Ritual baths usually have a rack or bucket available, so that the utensils can be dropped in (to ensure that water touched them on all sides.) If not, then wet your hands before dunking and hold the utensil loosely.
e) Utensils need only be exposed to the water for an instant.
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The above article mistakenly states that the use of a mikva is forbidden on Shabbos and Yom Tov, as a matter of fact that is false - according to most Hassidic customs the mikva is used by men on Shabbos and Yom Tov just as well and according to Hassidic teachings Shabbos is the most important and holy time in which to immerse oneself in a mikva (women after nida period also use a mikva on shab) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.232.117.61 ( talk) 10:02, 20/Jun/06
The correct name is Mikveh. I suggest we move the page there. DMTsurel 15:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe a better page for information on immersing utensils is Tevilah (immersion) -- it has its own page and needs more content. Also, could you supply a source for the information in the table? Thanks. Best, -- Shirahadasha 07:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Im all for keeping it mikveh but there is no official translation of Hebrew letters to English (or Latin) letters so it cant be wrong to say mikvah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swanson16 ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Currently section on this Boston organization has no sources other than its own web site. Previously the section made a number of claims about it, including that the organization has led to a renaissance in Mikva use among Conservative Jews. Removed those claims for the time being. As an FYI any mention of the organization at all requires verification including independent evidence of the organization's notability based on reliable sources. An organization's own web site can be used to present the organization's positions on issues, but not for claims about its notability, impact on society, etc. Will have to delete this whole section unless appropriate sources are found. Sorry about this. -- Shirahadasha 07:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Found sources. Times of Israel cites that it recently made Slingshot Guide's List of Jewish programs that are "the most cutting-edge, innovative programs" for the 12th time. [1] Ruderman Foundation praised it for its disability accessibility. [2] Tablet mag also cited it as a major contributor to a renewed non-Orthodox mikveh formation and use movement, [3] as does MyJewishLearning. [4] Is this enough to make a small section worthwhile? Sunshine 01:32, 7 November 2018 (UTC) User:Sunshine 20:32, 6 November 2018 (EST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunshine6298 ( talk • contribs)
Hi! I found an article from Tikkun Magazine that looks at Mayim Hayyim's impact on the mikveh experiences of trans Jews [5], which might also make a small section on this applicable/more robust. Springwinter19 ( talk) 03:24, 28 February 2019 (UTC)Springwinter19
I added in a section on transgender people and mikveh use. It mentions Mayyim Hayyim but is not centered around that one specific organization. Springwinter19 ( talk) 15:58, 28 February 2019 (UTC)Springwinter19
References
I'm looking for the opportunity to link to a description of an ancient miqweh which includes the logic of the otsar to "refresh" the miqweh. Otsarim are to be seen at Masada, Gamla, etc. What should I do here, suggest an addition on the subject or produce a separate article? Thanks.
-- Ihutchesson 23:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
The article makes the following statement: "A mikvah must contain a minimum of forty se'ah of water, approximately 200 gallons or 750 liters." These values seem too high. According to the Weights and Measures article from the online Jewish Encyclopedia, a se'ah is "equal to six cabs, or 13,184.44 cu. cm." So, at approximately 13.2 liters per se'ah, this comes out to 528 liters or 140 U.S. liquid gallons. Other sources, including Wikipedia's article on se'ah, peg the measure at 7.33 liters (1/3 of a bath), which makes the mikvah even smaller at 293 liters. Anyway, I would appreciate someone justifying the 750 liter value. Tm19 05:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
The construction of modern mikvaos and the permitting by health authorities is an issue that needs clarification. Mikvaos are seen by the authorities as public swimming pools and there are severe health requirements such as Legionella spp. control, filtration and desinfection of the rainwater (which in big cities normally is highly contaminated), how is the water recirculated and filtrated, heating systems and so on. Another problem we are having (I am an Israeli water engineer) is how to upgrade old mikvaos and get the Health Authorities´s approval to legally operate them. (Jaim Klein) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.25.164 ( talk) 18:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
This issue is much more complicated than it seems. The Talmud gives 2 measurements 40 seah and 3 by 1 by 1 cubits. 40 seah can be broken down into cav and eventually eggs, the problem is that the two measurements nowadays are way off (apparently egg and/or human size has change in the past 1600 years) so 40 seah which is equal to 5760 eggs is much smaller than 3 cubits cubed. The Chazon Ish says that since the cubit is the biblical measurement and the conversion to 40 seah is rabbinic therefore we must bestringent for the biblical size. He says that the size of a cubit is 59.7 cent. This would make a mikvah 648 litres and since the halakhic works say to add 1/48 to each cubit you end up with 680 litres. All women Mikvas are bigger than this amount. Benignuman 21:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Need to discuss Zav/Zavah status (for a zavah, this is basically non-menstrual uteral blood, requires a 7 day waiting period and requires immersion -- it's similar to but technically distinct from niddah, involving normal menstrual blood). Orthodox Judaism requires immersion after zavah status. Conservative Judaism recently changed its viewpoint and put out a number of responsa on the subject, and its viewpoint is now somewhat different from Orthodox Judaism. While retaining the basic concept, they liberalized some of the technical details. In particular, the responsa either limited (e.g. by exempting bleeding due to fertility drugs) or effectively abolished Zavah status, and also reduced the time in the regular menstrual niddah state to a total of seven days rather than 11-12. The Niddah article currently has details but they haven't addressed here. Will get to this. -- Shirahadasha 14:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Could we not beat around the bush? A mikvah is a body of water used for ritual purification in Jewish law. The word "mikvah", though in principle ambiguous, is not commonly used in any other sense. Shalom Hello 22:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
As far as I know, all Hasidic groups use the mikveh daily, not just before Shabbos; and non-Hasidic Heradim are no more or less likely to use the mikveh before Shabbos than their Daat Leumi counterparts. 212.179.209.103 23:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Under "External links," I added a link to a list (which I compiled) of Conservative, Reform, liberal, and other unaffiliated mikvaot (which are not listed on mikvah.org). AFAIK there is not any other comprehensive list of them. Onanothertopic ( talk) 00:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
A historical Mikvah was just unearthed in Barbados close the the Synagogue.
CaribDigita ( talk) 00:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Is there any Proof that "generally have wiry curly hair, which is difficult to comb." this is based on what exactly? in my Experience its Yemenites & ASHKENAZIM which tend to have an afro like texture, In fact the "Jewfro" is an Ashkenazi thing. (Think Gabe Kaplan) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.72.241.66 ( talk) 17:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
There is a discussion located here on the talk page of the Niddah article that applies to this article as well, as it discusses the inclusion of the external link www.mymikvahcalendar.com. Please use that discussion unless the content specifically applies to this article and not the Niddah article. -shirulashem (talk) 17:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Regarding this revert, can someone explain why this article should somehow circumvent WP:SPAM? Frank | talk 18:18, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Guidelines exist as a means of documenting what is generally acceptable - that's the point. There should definitely be a good reason to go against the guideline. In any case, I don't see any consensus to allow spam in this article. What I see is an argument that the external site isn't for-profit, so therefore it can't be spam. I doubt there would be much success at getting consensus to agree with that point of view. Frank | talk 20:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Ntb613 - What we are saying is that since it is a guideline to keep links like this out, you would need to get more editors involved in this discussion and establish a consensus to keep the links in. -shirulashem (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
As I have stated on Talk:Niddah#www.mymikvahcalendar.com_link (unaware of the discussion here), I support this specific link as relevant and contributing to this article. Debresser ( talk) 16:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move.
Anthony Appleyard (
talk) 16:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Mikvah →
Mikveh — The correct spelling (from Hebrew) is with "e". This is also the most common spelling in English.
Debresser (
talk) 23:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It should be "mikve(h)", with an "e". "Mikva(h)" with an "a" is just a (widespread) mistake. Same with the Hebrew: it should be written with a segol, not a kamatz. See the Hebrew wikidictionary. Likewise in the biblical verses Bereishit 1, 10 and Yirmiya 14, 8. Propose to move this page if consensus will agree with this. Debresser ( talk) 16:24, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.I think we need a volunteer to search and see which usage, in English, is more common. -shirulashem (talk) 00:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I get that RM is not necessarily a democracy, but 3 against, 2 for (counting OP), and 1 for a third form was not a result to move when there was no actual evidence that mikveh is more common. ( Here's some, but it only applies to American English: mikvah is rapidly becoming dominant in British; taken together it's a wash.) So—given that the page seems to use British English either by design or by forgetting to configure {{ convert}} properly—what was that about? — LlywelynII 15:07, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
If you're going to give the volume of a mikveh in liters, you should be giving the top-off amount in liters not pints and vice versa. 4.249.63.205 ( talk) 15:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Ḥammān (Islamic baths) are a similar type of ritual purification bath house but it has not got it's own article. The article Turkish bath exists but it's not generic enough. Some editor that has much experience on this article and relevant sources already bookmarked able to flesh out a more generic article on Ḥammāns OR make Turkish bath generic enough to cover the whole subject.... possibly suggest a consensus on renaming Turkish bath to Hamman with a redirect from Turkish bath to Hamman? 24.241.69.99 ( talk) 07:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Currently (2024) there are separate pages for Hammam and Victorian Turkish baths. Mikvaoth were built in several Victorian Turkish baths both in 19th century England (as at the Oriental Baths in Leeds) and Ireland (in Cork), and in the 20th century (as in Bournemouth). Ishpoloni ( talk) 22:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
We've got the standard one, which is fine. We've got two forms of it which is probably unnecessary but could probably be explained. (Is the one on the right more ancient/traditional? It should be formatted to clarify that.) Now what are these? Hebrew: מִקְוִים / מִקְווֹת / מִקְוָאוֹת The plural forms? If so, fine, but they should be formatted so that they precede their romanizations and readers can understand what they're looking at. Except not really fine, since Hebrew declension isn't really germane to the English-language page. There should be a {{ linktext}} or [[wikt:xxx|yyy]] link to the Hebrew's Wiktionary entry for that kind of information. What we should have are the English plurals, which seem to be mostly standard ~s and sometimes mikvaot.
While we're at it, a lot of the first paragraph seems off-topic and could probably be improved. If we're keeping two separate Hebrew forms, three plurals, translits, translations, and explanations of the history of the word's usage, it's probably better that we just start explaining what the word normally means and shunt the rest into a #Name section, except for the most common modern Hebrew form.
Given that we're (somehow) going with the version that doesn't match the sound at all, we probably ought to note that its English pronunciation is /mɪkvə/ (esp. US) or /mɪkfə/ (esp. UK) and not /mɪkvɛ/ or /mɪkfɛ/. — LlywelynII 15:32, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
A "history" paragraph is sourly missing here. I added a bit to the lead to make a start.
The "otzar" and the fact that it is a modern invention is missing too (see Yonatan Adler (Ariel University), The myth of the ’ôṣār in Second Temple-period ritual baths: an anachronistic interpretation of a modern-era innovation, in Journal of Jewish Studies | vol. lxv | no. 2 | autumn 2014).
Arminden (
talk) 10:42, 13 December 2015 (UTC)Arminden
Arminden (
talk) 10:42, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
More than two years later, and still not a single word lost about the "otzar". Anyone willing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arminden ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 28/Mar/18 (UTC)
We need a section regarding controversies about mikveh use as well as potential protection against problems. Examples include abuse of women by voyeur rabbis (as in Washington, DC), sexual abuse of children and Tzedek's promotion of rules to protect children at a mikveh, as well as controversies surrounding the refusal some single women encounter when they try to use a mikveh. VanEman ( talk) 06:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The issue of mikveh use continues to be an outsize controversy in Israel, one of the issues that appears to threaten the current coalition as well as threaten the relationship between Israel and the diaspora, Orthodoxy and other streams of Judaism. The two sides are clear:
Side 1: Israel is a Jewish state and Orthodox Judaism should be the recognized religion. Orthodox Chief rabbis should prevail. Conservative and Reform movements are not legitimate . They should not receive any recognition, funding or rights in Israel. At any Jewish religious site, women should be treated as Orthodox rabbis decide. Side 2: The Jewish state should recognize and support all streams of Judaism and respect freedom of religion. State funded facilities should be accessible to all. Women should be able to worship as is their custom. Whether any one editor leans toward Side 1 or Side 2, the Jewish community around the world wants to know what's happening and why these issues exist.
I don't find it problematic to cover arguments. We're Jewish. Arguing is what we do. We're done it for thousands of years and we're not going to stop. not now. not ever. Wikipedia needs to embrace that and not sidestep or delete information on well referenced, widely covered conflicts. VanEman ( talk) 17:56, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
There is no consensus here other than Debresser and me agreeing that info about two controversies it appropriately covered. If there were no more info on these topics, the matter would end. But this issue of Reform and Conservative Jewish rights is continuing to be covered as a MAJOR issue because it is threatening to bring down a coalition government that has only been in place for a year. It's a big deal. If you don't like what I write, then add to it so that it is more balanced from your perspective. I have not put in a single word that is not accurate, well-referenced and up-to-date. I also believe it's balanced. If you don't, then add more perspectives from ultra-Orthodox viewpoints... VanEman ( talk) 04:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
User:VanEman has added some material that is completely unfit for a lead. Statements like "Rabbi such and such pointed to the Bible to show such and such" are so unencyclopedical. He is also edit warring about it, as usual. I have restore the previous text, and added a reference to it. Debresser ( talk) 07:34, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
To be fair, this article was protected after the removal of much information that indeed was unsourced, but 1. nobody claims is incorrect 2. can easily be sourced. I would have been happy to continue working on improving this article. There is no doubt in my mind, that VanEmans removals will be restored in the end, with appropriate sources. The protection at this stage only halts this process. Debresser ( talk) 22:28, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Under Child Abuse, there is a missing space after a closing parenthesis. I can't remember where it is, but the Child Abuse section is pretty small, and it should be easy to find. Lou Sander ( talk) 06:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Why does this article use the term "Jewish priest" instead of "Kohen"? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 10:56, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
I read the article and had a couple of questions which I think the article should be updated to address. How is a mikveh different from a public swimming pool or public bath, in terms of the hygienic requirements? That is,
The first question probably seems silly for those who are familiar with the process. I'm not familiar with it and the article only mentions prior showering for peope with dreadlocks. (The Jewish scholarly authorities always think of everything.) As for the second question, it's clear that the use of running water would have ensured relatively clean water in the pre-modern era, but what is done now? Here on the talk page there is some discussion about how a mikveh is treated as a public swimming pool. Are they tested or chlorinated or something? Again, I don't mean to be intrusive or to appear judgmental about what is done, I'm merely interested in how this process is a part of people's lives. Roches ( talk) 17:19, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
For men, showering or bathing is recommended, by way of cleanliness and a courtesy to other visitors of the mikveh. Is is not obligatory in Jewish law. Not in the time after the destruction of the Temple, in any case. If you think otherwise, you are mistaken. All those signs and articles talk about recommended decent behavior, not Jewish law. Debresser ( talk) 15:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
I think that we can agree to include some text that says that halachically, women are obligated to bathe before mikve. There's no halachic obligation for men, but it is common for modern mikves to require it for hygiene reasons, with some citations to back it up. I'd like to know what the "Sephardic source" mentioned above is, Pi314m. Do Sephardim hold that mikve for men before YK is a halachic obligation? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 15:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
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The second paragraph of the Washington Post's article, quoted with only the above-indicated EDIT, is:
If Tanach is a Primary Source and the Talmud is a Secondary Source, then is anything written in the past 200 years a Tertiary source?
The wording of the Scare Crow which I've copied/moved here (check with your friendly Comp Sci major for the difference) is-
Other situations on Wiki have clearly made the point: if the Native Americans had to be given their say on what Islam believes and those who eat Davar Acher an opinion on Chasicic practices, then Wiki could not have articles on many of the topics which it covers.
If the article is incomplete, then perhaps it's because Wiki is not a manual. Taking a shower in any Brooklyn men's Mikvah is normal practice. Likewise in a woman's Mikvah. I use Brooklyn as source of example since, outside of Israel, there probably is no other place on planet Earth with as many choices of Mikvah per (name your unit of measure). Pi314m ( talk) 20:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Don't normally edit wikipedia, but I was trying to find a source for the statement and the one listed in the references led me to a dead end.
But on page 13 of this document: https://www.kollelmenachem.org/media/pdf/433/juNS4330495.pdf
It is a book I found about mikveh construction that restates something similar. Not sure how to add it as a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.18.124.157 ( talk) 21:10, 7 November 2020 (UTC)