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Anyone want to consider putting something in here about the cultural impact of the film, i.e. the Turks regard it as the worst catastrophe ever in Turkish-U.S. relations? 209.149.235.254 20:15, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I guess the impact of this film is that people view Turks as how they were potrayed in the movie and for the Turks they became very defensive and nationalist.I guess this film just added to the list of stereotypes and jokes of Turks
While an interesting article, it doesn't really read like an encyclopedia entry. Would the person who wrote it, since it looks like a personal piece, like to alter this, or would they like it cleaned up by others?
In fact, may I suggest reverting to the 3rd July form, which still includes many of your points but very briefly, and working on the details you want to add here, on this 'talk' page, where people can advise how to shape it as an encyclopedia-style article? vv
Did the WP contributor copy from http://www.tetedeturc.com/Midnight-express/intro-ME_anglais.htm#Le%20film or is it the converse? As the en.wp article cites the FR translation of a book, I'm afraid it has been plagiarized from there. Apokrif 21:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
After cleaning up some of the more egregious Turkish rants on this page, the basic summary of the film has now even been taken down. Wikipedia is not an appropriate forum for discussing the substantive merits of the film; the article should contain, at most, a summary of the plot points, and a mention that the film is controversial in Turkey. (A discussion of the Greek colonels' attempt to annex Cyprus, for example, is totally beyond the appropriate scope of this article.) Unfortunately, certain members with axes to grind are making this difficult. I suspect that the article ought to be reduced to "Mostly Harmless" so that everyone is happy.
Valley of the Wolves Iraq is now sometimes presented as "return" for Midnight Express. Alex1011 07:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Uh, have you read the book? Hayes spends much of it bashing the Turks as a whole, calling them animals, filthy, bestial, etc. It is not a positive portrayal and Hayes comes across as a racist, arrogant jackass.
Interviews, errors etc. could all be merged into a single "Criticisms" title. ( Tylose 16:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC))
In early March, Outrate.net was blacklisted for adding too many links to Wikipedia, which represented a COI according to Wikipedia policies. But this has meant that a number of valid Outrate.net links were automatically removed.
Our lengthy interview with Billy Hayes (Aug 05) was removed from the Interviews and External Links section of your Billy Hayes page. The deep link to the interview is here: outrate.net/billyhayes.html
I believe you are able to replace this link, if you would like to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.253.33.127 ( talk) 23:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
As the introduction to the description properly mentions the movie unnecessarily portrayed Turks in negative picture, and this even came under criticism of Bill Hayes himself. So the new category was added to the movie as it did indeed incite anti-Turkish sentiments. Atabek 23:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I deleted some headlines in the article, due to turkish vandalism/ propoganda. This is a page for the midnight express movie -not your own personal views. Exmpl: See the Midnight Express (Book) page's Discussion board. That page have been vandalized by a turkish user.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Firecom ( talk • contribs)
Firecom 23:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)Okay then. Why do you delete the lines i wrote, about the movie review, from Channel 4 UK? Also, the review's are not OBJECTIVE. Do you really understand, what that line means? OBJECTIVE. Sorry to say, not a thing you explore in Turkey, after my POV.
I deleted some external links, they are not relevant for the movie (youtube links). I also deleted the 'Review' section. It's not very objective.
Billy Hayes interviewed. Isn't that a headline in Billy Hayes Biography -not the movie?
Squam 07:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC) I kindly disagree. The interview is about the movie. I put the link back as a reference.
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Oliver Stone's apology definitely belongs in the article, but I question whether it belongs in the lead. Stetsonharry ( talk) 14:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently full of quotes, links and a tone slamming this film as anti-turkish. I never noticed any turkish hate in this film. It is a frightening film about being locked up in a third world foreign prison. But I still dont see it as racist even after reading this article and looking for it. This is a really great, really shocking movie who's quality as withstood the test of time and is still considered a great movie by many people. Its also some of Oliver Stone's and Alan Parker's best work IMO. And judging from random reviews available anywhere on the internet, I would assume in the opinion of many others also. But the tone of this article frames the movie like it was some kind of shameful, racist catastrophe. Thats extremely POV by who ever is doing it. Thunderlippps ( talk) 01:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
some users are blanking the article in a specific way to hide obvious anti-Turkish sentiment in the film.
anti-Turkish sentiment in this film is justified through references to respectful sources. MGM's and Kirk Kerkorian's moves are historically critical and thus required to make the article complete. please don't blank the article.
Midnight Express is not "just a movie". it produced a cultural impact. the social, cultural and political aspects of the issue should be there in the article. Polysynaptic ( talk) 01:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Straight away following the murder of many Turkish nationals by Israel, this film has all of a sudden been aired on many European television stations and has been made available on digital downloads such as on Virgin on demand and re-appeared on shop shelfs as a dvd, perhaps to give turkish people a bad image. How can this be added to the article? This move is similar to the western media airing anti-arab films such as true lies 3 weeks prior to the invasion of Iraq. -- 94.195.194.144 ( talk) 06:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
At the end of this article are lists of "Films directed by Alan Parker" and "Films by Oliver Stone" both of which I accept as valid. Yet there is also a template for "Films directed by Danny Boyle" even though there is no mention of him anywhere else in the article and he appears to have no connection to this film. Am I missing something? MikeEagling ( talk) 01:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Both in the beginning and in the end of the movie we can hear a recording of some kind. A woman talks about Cyprus War in Turkish. Considering this is a British movie, which was, infact still is the guarantor of christian population in the island. It raises the question: maybe only or primary driving force of creating this movie was Cyprus War. Well, actually, for many Turk, this was the only reason. Considering movie was released in 1978, just after Cyprus War, this couldn't be anything else. Nonetheless, I feel like we should be including this information to the article. It will provide a different perspective to reader. Although haven't really researched this thought thoroughly. I have to leave this to you. Have a nice day. -- Bluetogreens ( talk) 03:30, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
needs to be referenced, so I have removed it until such time as it is. No blogs please.
:"
Giorgio Moroder used the six notes corresponding to "now you say you love me" from the song "
Cry Me a River" to create part of the soundtrack
citation needed."
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Can someone explain why the plot section says that when Billy pointed out the cabbie to the cops it was apparent that they werent going to keep up their end of the deal and so that's why he ran? I never got that impression and the scene doesn't make that clear at all. I just saw it as his using that time they were distracted talkng to the cabbie as a chance for him to escape. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.55.181.5 ( talk) 07:47, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
In The Simpsons Season 3 Episode 6 Treehouse of Horror II, Homer is searched before bording his airplane from Morocco to Springfield and discovered to be smuggling various tchotchkes taped to his body in a similar manner as Billy did the blocks of hashish. Held at gunpoint by the customs guards just like in the film, he is fined $2 US and then the episode continues uninterrupted. Deliusfan ( talk) 00:33, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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Anyone want to consider putting something in here about the cultural impact of the film, i.e. the Turks regard it as the worst catastrophe ever in Turkish-U.S. relations? 209.149.235.254 20:15, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I guess the impact of this film is that people view Turks as how they were potrayed in the movie and for the Turks they became very defensive and nationalist.I guess this film just added to the list of stereotypes and jokes of Turks
While an interesting article, it doesn't really read like an encyclopedia entry. Would the person who wrote it, since it looks like a personal piece, like to alter this, or would they like it cleaned up by others?
In fact, may I suggest reverting to the 3rd July form, which still includes many of your points but very briefly, and working on the details you want to add here, on this 'talk' page, where people can advise how to shape it as an encyclopedia-style article? vv
Did the WP contributor copy from http://www.tetedeturc.com/Midnight-express/intro-ME_anglais.htm#Le%20film or is it the converse? As the en.wp article cites the FR translation of a book, I'm afraid it has been plagiarized from there. Apokrif 21:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
After cleaning up some of the more egregious Turkish rants on this page, the basic summary of the film has now even been taken down. Wikipedia is not an appropriate forum for discussing the substantive merits of the film; the article should contain, at most, a summary of the plot points, and a mention that the film is controversial in Turkey. (A discussion of the Greek colonels' attempt to annex Cyprus, for example, is totally beyond the appropriate scope of this article.) Unfortunately, certain members with axes to grind are making this difficult. I suspect that the article ought to be reduced to "Mostly Harmless" so that everyone is happy.
Valley of the Wolves Iraq is now sometimes presented as "return" for Midnight Express. Alex1011 07:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Uh, have you read the book? Hayes spends much of it bashing the Turks as a whole, calling them animals, filthy, bestial, etc. It is not a positive portrayal and Hayes comes across as a racist, arrogant jackass.
Interviews, errors etc. could all be merged into a single "Criticisms" title. ( Tylose 16:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC))
In early March, Outrate.net was blacklisted for adding too many links to Wikipedia, which represented a COI according to Wikipedia policies. But this has meant that a number of valid Outrate.net links were automatically removed.
Our lengthy interview with Billy Hayes (Aug 05) was removed from the Interviews and External Links section of your Billy Hayes page. The deep link to the interview is here: outrate.net/billyhayes.html
I believe you are able to replace this link, if you would like to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.253.33.127 ( talk) 23:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
As the introduction to the description properly mentions the movie unnecessarily portrayed Turks in negative picture, and this even came under criticism of Bill Hayes himself. So the new category was added to the movie as it did indeed incite anti-Turkish sentiments. Atabek 23:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I deleted some headlines in the article, due to turkish vandalism/ propoganda. This is a page for the midnight express movie -not your own personal views. Exmpl: See the Midnight Express (Book) page's Discussion board. That page have been vandalized by a turkish user.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Firecom ( talk • contribs)
Firecom 23:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)Okay then. Why do you delete the lines i wrote, about the movie review, from Channel 4 UK? Also, the review's are not OBJECTIVE. Do you really understand, what that line means? OBJECTIVE. Sorry to say, not a thing you explore in Turkey, after my POV.
I deleted some external links, they are not relevant for the movie (youtube links). I also deleted the 'Review' section. It's not very objective.
Billy Hayes interviewed. Isn't that a headline in Billy Hayes Biography -not the movie?
Squam 07:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC) I kindly disagree. The interview is about the movie. I put the link back as a reference.
Image:Midnight express.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 06:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Oliver Stone's apology definitely belongs in the article, but I question whether it belongs in the lead. Stetsonharry ( talk) 14:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently full of quotes, links and a tone slamming this film as anti-turkish. I never noticed any turkish hate in this film. It is a frightening film about being locked up in a third world foreign prison. But I still dont see it as racist even after reading this article and looking for it. This is a really great, really shocking movie who's quality as withstood the test of time and is still considered a great movie by many people. Its also some of Oliver Stone's and Alan Parker's best work IMO. And judging from random reviews available anywhere on the internet, I would assume in the opinion of many others also. But the tone of this article frames the movie like it was some kind of shameful, racist catastrophe. Thats extremely POV by who ever is doing it. Thunderlippps ( talk) 01:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
some users are blanking the article in a specific way to hide obvious anti-Turkish sentiment in the film.
anti-Turkish sentiment in this film is justified through references to respectful sources. MGM's and Kirk Kerkorian's moves are historically critical and thus required to make the article complete. please don't blank the article.
Midnight Express is not "just a movie". it produced a cultural impact. the social, cultural and political aspects of the issue should be there in the article. Polysynaptic ( talk) 01:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Straight away following the murder of many Turkish nationals by Israel, this film has all of a sudden been aired on many European television stations and has been made available on digital downloads such as on Virgin on demand and re-appeared on shop shelfs as a dvd, perhaps to give turkish people a bad image. How can this be added to the article? This move is similar to the western media airing anti-arab films such as true lies 3 weeks prior to the invasion of Iraq. -- 94.195.194.144 ( talk) 06:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
At the end of this article are lists of "Films directed by Alan Parker" and "Films by Oliver Stone" both of which I accept as valid. Yet there is also a template for "Films directed by Danny Boyle" even though there is no mention of him anywhere else in the article and he appears to have no connection to this film. Am I missing something? MikeEagling ( talk) 01:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Both in the beginning and in the end of the movie we can hear a recording of some kind. A woman talks about Cyprus War in Turkish. Considering this is a British movie, which was, infact still is the guarantor of christian population in the island. It raises the question: maybe only or primary driving force of creating this movie was Cyprus War. Well, actually, for many Turk, this was the only reason. Considering movie was released in 1978, just after Cyprus War, this couldn't be anything else. Nonetheless, I feel like we should be including this information to the article. It will provide a different perspective to reader. Although haven't really researched this thought thoroughly. I have to leave this to you. Have a nice day. -- Bluetogreens ( talk) 03:30, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
needs to be referenced, so I have removed it until such time as it is. No blogs please.
:"
Giorgio Moroder used the six notes corresponding to "now you say you love me" from the song "
Cry Me a River" to create part of the soundtrack
citation needed."
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Can someone explain why the plot section says that when Billy pointed out the cabbie to the cops it was apparent that they werent going to keep up their end of the deal and so that's why he ran? I never got that impression and the scene doesn't make that clear at all. I just saw it as his using that time they were distracted talkng to the cabbie as a chance for him to escape. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.55.181.5 ( talk) 07:47, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
In The Simpsons Season 3 Episode 6 Treehouse of Horror II, Homer is searched before bording his airplane from Morocco to Springfield and discovered to be smuggling various tchotchkes taped to his body in a similar manner as Billy did the blocks of hashish. Held at gunpoint by the customs guards just like in the film, he is fined $2 US and then the episode continues uninterrupted. Deliusfan ( talk) 00:33, 30 October 2023 (UTC)