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Saying that "she is widely regarded as one of the greatest film actors of all time" on the basis of two books and a source I can't identify with a Google search, seems to be unjustified, as well as a violation of WP:NPOV AND WP:PEACOCK.
She isn't even listed in the American Film Institute's list http://www.afi.com/100Years/stars.aspx . I think we should change it to something less effusive.
And can somebody identify "The Middle East. Library Information and Research Service. 2005." or should we delete that too? -- Nbauman ( talk) 18:18, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
... legendary, great, acclaimed, visionary, outstanding, leading, celebrated, award-winning, landmark, cutting-edge, innovative, extraordinary, brilliant, hit, famous, renowned, remarkable, prestigious, world-class, respected, notable, virtuoso, honorable, awesome ...
References
WP:EXCEPTIONAL may apply. Lapadite ( talk) 03:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
You can certainly Google the likes of Juliane Moore, Vanessa Redgrave, Cate Blanchett, Kate Winslet, Tilda Swinton, Marion Cotillard, Gena Rowlands + best actress of her generation (or any praise along those lines) and you'll find a number of RS calling them that. I don't think it dilutes any one individual's acclaim though, and RSs surely deem Streep one of the most acclaimed actresses (which perhaps is a less contentious way of putting it). WP:PEACOCK gives an example of how such praise should be framed, noted above by Nbauman. Lapadite ( talk) 01:48, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
We have now had two attempts in recent days to add two different Twitter links as Streep's "official" Twitter account. Since anyone can start up a Twitter account and claim it to be "official", we cannot accept either of these links without some form of reliable confirmation that they represent Ms. Streep's official Twitter presence. -- The Anome ( talk) 13:22, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Where's the list of films??? Its missing (UNSIGNED by 220.227.149.70) - November 18, 2015)
In the section "Out of Africa and backlash", the article states this: "...Ironweed (1987), in which she sang onscreen for the first time since the television movie Secret Service (1977)." As I recall, Streep sang "God Bless America" at the end of The Deer Hunter (1978). Robtrodes ( talk) 03:10, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Should we include them? - UFC President Dana White responded "It’s not going to be everybody’s thing, and the last thing I expect is for an uppity 80-year-old lady to be in our demographic and love mixed martial arts." - https://mmainsight.com/news/dana-white-reacts-to-meryl-streeps-mma-snub What information does this comment give to the reader? It is spiteful and he got her age wrong (maliciously). It has little to no encyclopedic value. Opinions? Radiohist ( talk) 20:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
I have not yet looked at earlier versions of this article to see whether information has been deliberately removed previously but it seriously misrepresents Meryl Streep's upbringing and earlier years. For some odd reason it seems to downplay her adolescence despite the fact that she was already famous (almost if not legendary) locally. There is no mention in the article of her being head of the cheerleaders (she is described as just a cheerleader) or of her being homecoming queen, or her acting performances in high school. That is rewriting reality (which Wikipedia has a very strong tendency to do) in its purest form. This article needs to have these issues of misrepresentation - I am sure there are more - fixed, to match the reality of someone's apparently intentional misportrayal of circumstance... Stevenmitchell ( talk) 08:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the below extract is not included in the article?
In a 1979 interview with Time Magazine Streep described meeting him for the first time at an audition for a play he directed several years earlier: “He came up to me and said, ‘I’m Dustin—burp—Hoffman,’ and he put his hand on my breast. What an obnoxious pig, I thought." Mobile mundo ( talk) 16:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
>>>>>[Streep to Mehmet ("Dr.") Oz]: "My mother is Circassian, her great grandmother was brought from the Caucasus to Istanbul as a concubine in Sultan Mahmud II's harem. The concubines were removed from the Ottoman court after Mahmud II's death in 1839 and she was married to the imam of a local mosque."<<<<< Hurriyet Daily-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 07:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
This neutral-point-of-view dispute concerns the edits that I made at 03:43 and 03:45 on 3 October 2018 and that User:Binksternet made at 03:49 on the same date. I edited "She said that Trump had a very strong platform and was using it inappropriately. He mocked a disabled reporter…" to "She said that Trump had a very strong platform and was using it inappropriately, citing a rally speech during which Trump allegedly mocked a reporter's disability" because, while Trump undisputedly mocked Serge F. Kovaleski, a reporter who is disabled, the text could easily be misconstrued to mean that Trump mocked Kovaleski for his disability, which is unconfirmed and has been substantially disputed since the incident itself. This issue has been a very political and ideological controversy that Wikipedia should aim to avoid participating in.
As Binksternet quickly reverted my edits with the note "Rv... not allegedly," I posted my concerns on his user talk page with the assumption that he made the reversion because he thought that the matter in dispute was whether Trump mocked Kovaleski at all or not. However, during my discussion with him, it became clear that the reason for his edit is that he adamantly believes that Trump did indeed mock Kovaleski's disability, and despite my attempts to convince him that my edits were for the better, he has only accepted evidence in favor of his viewpoint and has taken to accusing me of pushing a "fringe viewpoint"—I am unsure whether this viewpoint is that Trump definitely did not mock or that he may or may not have mocked Kovaleski's disability, but either way, by the standards of Wikipedia, Binksternet is incorrect in this assertion. Binksternet continues to oppose my proposed edit and any further one-on-one discussion with him appears to be futile. To be sure, I am opening this dispute not just because "He mocked a disabled reporter…" could be misconstrued but mostly because, based on my discussion with Binksternet, this sentence is intended to carry a controversial, one-sided, unconfirmed viewpoint.
Please provide your input on this issue, including a possible alternative way that this section's neutrality can be achieved and whether an NPOV dispute is an appropriate way to handle this issue. 74.88.22.174 ( talk) 16:22, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay everyone, let's stop the edit war. What should the lead say?
I've listed these options in alphabetical order. My thinking is that 1 is the most natural phrasing, 2 is also fine, and 3 is unnecessarily old-fashioned. I don't really care which one we use, though—I just want to resolve this and stop the edit war. Anyone else want to weigh in? — Granger ( talk · contribs) 22:50, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Not one link below helps in furthering knowledge of this bio. Crazy template spam with one of them causing the whole page to need side scrolling on mobile devices.-- Moxy 🍁 23:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Now, I'm rather confused about exactly who these people were in relation to Streep. I know what a great-great-grandparent is. Is that the same as a second great-grandfather?
Is an eighth great-grandfather the same as a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather?
There must be some explanation, since we tend to have 1 father, 2 grand-fathers, and 4 great-grandfathers - not 8. But even so, who decides the order of ancestors, if any, within any generation?
The normal way of abbreviating an ancestor with multiple "greats" is: an 8-greats-grandparent, not an eighth great-grandparent.-- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:14, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
User:MarnetteD, I don't believe my edits were too ambitious. I simply added pretty well known credits added in the lede. Does it make sense to add a relatively unknown film, Death Becomes Her and not Doubt, or even her latest films such as The Post, and Little Women? Could we try to add more titles? Especially some from the 1980s, like Heartburn, Ironweed, and A Cry in the Dark? The One I Left ( talk) 23:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC) User:The One I Left
User:MarnetteD, I just respectfully disagree in the way you used reverted my changes, ultimately removing something based on your personal belief, since "unnecessarily" is subjective. These were good faith additions. It doesn't make sense not to add some of her most important credits. The One I Left ( talk) 02:01, 31 May 2020 (UTC) User:The One I Left
Everything between her '80s stardom and upcoming Internet stuff is blank, overview-wise. There must have been something defining (at least illustrating) her path in the meantime; big movies, charity projects, personality shifts? I'd only be guessing, but some fans could sum these up nicely, could be helpful, just a suggestion. InedibleHulk ( talk) 03:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Don't there exist other film critics than Karin Langworth? I do like her, but this is extremely excessive. Lots of critics wrote about Meryll Streep. ReiniUrban ( talk) 18:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
The wikipedia page says
One of her parents also had Jewish ancestry, although it was Ashkenazi Jewish instead of Sephardi—contrary to what she believed.[1]
However the citation links to an American Jewish publication https://forward.com/culture/449218/on-meryl-streeps-72nd-birthday-her-secret-jewish-history/ which says
There is an awful lot that’s Jew-ish about Meryl Streep — except that she’s not Jewish.
2600:1010:B044:453C:98FC:5C2C:1987:973 ( talk) 13:45, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
The article claims that Streep’s three Oscar wins are a record second only to Katharine Hepburn. Hepburn’s record is for having won four Oscars for Best Actress. As of 2021, Frances McDormand actually outranks Streep, in that she has won four Oscars, three for Best Actress and one for producing. Streep has three Oscars, one of which was for Best Supporting Actress (for “Kramer vs Kramer”).
Anyone have any suggestions for how to reference this correction? Alanrobts ( talk) 03:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I think the statement should be removed all together. It’s not factual, even if Meryl won another Lead or Supporting Oscar, she still will not be tied with Katharine Hepburn, as Katharine’s wins were all for lead, while one of Meryl’s is for supporting. That’s not a tie, and it’s misleading. Cryptkeeperfun ( talk) 14:56, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Meryl Streep was inducted into the New Jersey Hall of Fame in 2008. Elizaruby18 ( talk) 15:14, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Meryl was awarded a UK silver disc (200,000 sales/streaming equivalent sales) for Mammma Mia (song) https://www.bpi.co.uk/award/9266-5696-1 Coachtripfan ( talk) 16:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
I'd asked about this in 2015: Talk:Meryl Streep/Archive 1#One-woman Alice performance with no response. One of the best performances I've ever seen (when researching it was told it was her college thesis performance). It was shown once on PBS but they had nothing. Anyone know of where to access? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 16:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Every other actor/actress article in Wikipedia uses the word "filmography", but not this one. I came here to scroll through a list of her films... nope. Don't want to read the whole article. Check the table of contents. Not there. Try 'edit source'; word doesn't exist. Try searching Wikipedia for "Meryl Streep filmography". Not that, either. Over 80 films and no such thing as a filmography for Streep. Does no one value consistency any more?
Signed,
Frustrated and probably going to consult IMDb from now on.
Grorp ( talk) 01:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
The use of the term "fluctuations" in the header is misleading at best. Whether the films were considered a success or not is irrelevant to her taking part in them. The full sentence in the lede is She continued to gain awards, and critical praise, for her work in the late 1980s and 1990s, but commercial success was varied, with the comedy
Death Becomes Her (1992) and the drama
The Bridges of Madison County (1995), her biggest earners in that period.
The fact that She continued to gain awards, and critical praise indicates that she did not experience career "fluctuations" - If a
WP:RFC is needed over this that is fine but I would object to use of the word in a section header until one occurs.
MarnetteD|
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Saying that "she is widely regarded as one of the greatest film actors of all time" on the basis of two books and a source I can't identify with a Google search, seems to be unjustified, as well as a violation of WP:NPOV AND WP:PEACOCK.
She isn't even listed in the American Film Institute's list http://www.afi.com/100Years/stars.aspx . I think we should change it to something less effusive.
And can somebody identify "The Middle East. Library Information and Research Service. 2005." or should we delete that too? -- Nbauman ( talk) 18:18, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
... legendary, great, acclaimed, visionary, outstanding, leading, celebrated, award-winning, landmark, cutting-edge, innovative, extraordinary, brilliant, hit, famous, renowned, remarkable, prestigious, world-class, respected, notable, virtuoso, honorable, awesome ...
References
WP:EXCEPTIONAL may apply. Lapadite ( talk) 03:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
You can certainly Google the likes of Juliane Moore, Vanessa Redgrave, Cate Blanchett, Kate Winslet, Tilda Swinton, Marion Cotillard, Gena Rowlands + best actress of her generation (or any praise along those lines) and you'll find a number of RS calling them that. I don't think it dilutes any one individual's acclaim though, and RSs surely deem Streep one of the most acclaimed actresses (which perhaps is a less contentious way of putting it). WP:PEACOCK gives an example of how such praise should be framed, noted above by Nbauman. Lapadite ( talk) 01:48, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
We have now had two attempts in recent days to add two different Twitter links as Streep's "official" Twitter account. Since anyone can start up a Twitter account and claim it to be "official", we cannot accept either of these links without some form of reliable confirmation that they represent Ms. Streep's official Twitter presence. -- The Anome ( talk) 13:22, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Where's the list of films??? Its missing (UNSIGNED by 220.227.149.70) - November 18, 2015)
In the section "Out of Africa and backlash", the article states this: "...Ironweed (1987), in which she sang onscreen for the first time since the television movie Secret Service (1977)." As I recall, Streep sang "God Bless America" at the end of The Deer Hunter (1978). Robtrodes ( talk) 03:10, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Should we include them? - UFC President Dana White responded "It’s not going to be everybody’s thing, and the last thing I expect is for an uppity 80-year-old lady to be in our demographic and love mixed martial arts." - https://mmainsight.com/news/dana-white-reacts-to-meryl-streeps-mma-snub What information does this comment give to the reader? It is spiteful and he got her age wrong (maliciously). It has little to no encyclopedic value. Opinions? Radiohist ( talk) 20:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
I have not yet looked at earlier versions of this article to see whether information has been deliberately removed previously but it seriously misrepresents Meryl Streep's upbringing and earlier years. For some odd reason it seems to downplay her adolescence despite the fact that she was already famous (almost if not legendary) locally. There is no mention in the article of her being head of the cheerleaders (she is described as just a cheerleader) or of her being homecoming queen, or her acting performances in high school. That is rewriting reality (which Wikipedia has a very strong tendency to do) in its purest form. This article needs to have these issues of misrepresentation - I am sure there are more - fixed, to match the reality of someone's apparently intentional misportrayal of circumstance... Stevenmitchell ( talk) 08:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the below extract is not included in the article?
In a 1979 interview with Time Magazine Streep described meeting him for the first time at an audition for a play he directed several years earlier: “He came up to me and said, ‘I’m Dustin—burp—Hoffman,’ and he put his hand on my breast. What an obnoxious pig, I thought." Mobile mundo ( talk) 16:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
>>>>>[Streep to Mehmet ("Dr.") Oz]: "My mother is Circassian, her great grandmother was brought from the Caucasus to Istanbul as a concubine in Sultan Mahmud II's harem. The concubines were removed from the Ottoman court after Mahmud II's death in 1839 and she was married to the imam of a local mosque."<<<<< Hurriyet Daily-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 07:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
This neutral-point-of-view dispute concerns the edits that I made at 03:43 and 03:45 on 3 October 2018 and that User:Binksternet made at 03:49 on the same date. I edited "She said that Trump had a very strong platform and was using it inappropriately. He mocked a disabled reporter…" to "She said that Trump had a very strong platform and was using it inappropriately, citing a rally speech during which Trump allegedly mocked a reporter's disability" because, while Trump undisputedly mocked Serge F. Kovaleski, a reporter who is disabled, the text could easily be misconstrued to mean that Trump mocked Kovaleski for his disability, which is unconfirmed and has been substantially disputed since the incident itself. This issue has been a very political and ideological controversy that Wikipedia should aim to avoid participating in.
As Binksternet quickly reverted my edits with the note "Rv... not allegedly," I posted my concerns on his user talk page with the assumption that he made the reversion because he thought that the matter in dispute was whether Trump mocked Kovaleski at all or not. However, during my discussion with him, it became clear that the reason for his edit is that he adamantly believes that Trump did indeed mock Kovaleski's disability, and despite my attempts to convince him that my edits were for the better, he has only accepted evidence in favor of his viewpoint and has taken to accusing me of pushing a "fringe viewpoint"—I am unsure whether this viewpoint is that Trump definitely did not mock or that he may or may not have mocked Kovaleski's disability, but either way, by the standards of Wikipedia, Binksternet is incorrect in this assertion. Binksternet continues to oppose my proposed edit and any further one-on-one discussion with him appears to be futile. To be sure, I am opening this dispute not just because "He mocked a disabled reporter…" could be misconstrued but mostly because, based on my discussion with Binksternet, this sentence is intended to carry a controversial, one-sided, unconfirmed viewpoint.
Please provide your input on this issue, including a possible alternative way that this section's neutrality can be achieved and whether an NPOV dispute is an appropriate way to handle this issue. 74.88.22.174 ( talk) 16:22, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay everyone, let's stop the edit war. What should the lead say?
I've listed these options in alphabetical order. My thinking is that 1 is the most natural phrasing, 2 is also fine, and 3 is unnecessarily old-fashioned. I don't really care which one we use, though—I just want to resolve this and stop the edit war. Anyone else want to weigh in? — Granger ( talk · contribs) 22:50, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Not one link below helps in furthering knowledge of this bio. Crazy template spam with one of them causing the whole page to need side scrolling on mobile devices.-- Moxy 🍁 23:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Now, I'm rather confused about exactly who these people were in relation to Streep. I know what a great-great-grandparent is. Is that the same as a second great-grandfather?
Is an eighth great-grandfather the same as a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather?
There must be some explanation, since we tend to have 1 father, 2 grand-fathers, and 4 great-grandfathers - not 8. But even so, who decides the order of ancestors, if any, within any generation?
The normal way of abbreviating an ancestor with multiple "greats" is: an 8-greats-grandparent, not an eighth great-grandparent.-- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:14, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
User:MarnetteD, I don't believe my edits were too ambitious. I simply added pretty well known credits added in the lede. Does it make sense to add a relatively unknown film, Death Becomes Her and not Doubt, or even her latest films such as The Post, and Little Women? Could we try to add more titles? Especially some from the 1980s, like Heartburn, Ironweed, and A Cry in the Dark? The One I Left ( talk) 23:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC) User:The One I Left
User:MarnetteD, I just respectfully disagree in the way you used reverted my changes, ultimately removing something based on your personal belief, since "unnecessarily" is subjective. These were good faith additions. It doesn't make sense not to add some of her most important credits. The One I Left ( talk) 02:01, 31 May 2020 (UTC) User:The One I Left
Everything between her '80s stardom and upcoming Internet stuff is blank, overview-wise. There must have been something defining (at least illustrating) her path in the meantime; big movies, charity projects, personality shifts? I'd only be guessing, but some fans could sum these up nicely, could be helpful, just a suggestion. InedibleHulk ( talk) 03:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Don't there exist other film critics than Karin Langworth? I do like her, but this is extremely excessive. Lots of critics wrote about Meryll Streep. ReiniUrban ( talk) 18:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
The wikipedia page says
One of her parents also had Jewish ancestry, although it was Ashkenazi Jewish instead of Sephardi—contrary to what she believed.[1]
However the citation links to an American Jewish publication https://forward.com/culture/449218/on-meryl-streeps-72nd-birthday-her-secret-jewish-history/ which says
There is an awful lot that’s Jew-ish about Meryl Streep — except that she’s not Jewish.
2600:1010:B044:453C:98FC:5C2C:1987:973 ( talk) 13:45, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
The article claims that Streep’s three Oscar wins are a record second only to Katharine Hepburn. Hepburn’s record is for having won four Oscars for Best Actress. As of 2021, Frances McDormand actually outranks Streep, in that she has won four Oscars, three for Best Actress and one for producing. Streep has three Oscars, one of which was for Best Supporting Actress (for “Kramer vs Kramer”).
Anyone have any suggestions for how to reference this correction? Alanrobts ( talk) 03:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I think the statement should be removed all together. It’s not factual, even if Meryl won another Lead or Supporting Oscar, she still will not be tied with Katharine Hepburn, as Katharine’s wins were all for lead, while one of Meryl’s is for supporting. That’s not a tie, and it’s misleading. Cryptkeeperfun ( talk) 14:56, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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Meryl Streep was inducted into the New Jersey Hall of Fame in 2008. Elizaruby18 ( talk) 15:14, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Meryl was awarded a UK silver disc (200,000 sales/streaming equivalent sales) for Mammma Mia (song) https://www.bpi.co.uk/award/9266-5696-1 Coachtripfan ( talk) 16:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
I'd asked about this in 2015: Talk:Meryl Streep/Archive 1#One-woman Alice performance with no response. One of the best performances I've ever seen (when researching it was told it was her college thesis performance). It was shown once on PBS but they had nothing. Anyone know of where to access? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 16:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Every other actor/actress article in Wikipedia uses the word "filmography", but not this one. I came here to scroll through a list of her films... nope. Don't want to read the whole article. Check the table of contents. Not there. Try 'edit source'; word doesn't exist. Try searching Wikipedia for "Meryl Streep filmography". Not that, either. Over 80 films and no such thing as a filmography for Streep. Does no one value consistency any more?
Signed,
Frustrated and probably going to consult IMDb from now on.
Grorp ( talk) 01:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
The use of the term "fluctuations" in the header is misleading at best. Whether the films were considered a success or not is irrelevant to her taking part in them. The full sentence in the lede is She continued to gain awards, and critical praise, for her work in the late 1980s and 1990s, but commercial success was varied, with the comedy
Death Becomes Her (1992) and the drama
The Bridges of Madison County (1995), her biggest earners in that period.
The fact that She continued to gain awards, and critical praise indicates that she did not experience career "fluctuations" - If a
WP:RFC is needed over this that is fine but I would object to use of the word in a section header until one occurs.
MarnetteD|
Talk
00:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)