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CAN SOMEONE ADD A PROPER PICTURE OF THE MELBOURNE SKYLINE. THOSE IMAGES DO NOT REPRESENT HOW THIS CITY LOOKS WHATSOEVER! THEY ARE A HANDFUL OF BUILDINGS SHOWN FROM TERRIBLE ANGLES. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.220.57 ( talk) 09:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I like it, shows the main features of Melbourne, the Yarra, Flinders St, Fed Sq and the MCG. All icons you couldn't show in one skyline pic.
Davo499 ( talk) 10:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
It's terrible, it has the best skyline of all australian cities and it looks like some country town from those pics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.241.130 ( talk) 06:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
In "It has been recognised as a gamma world city by the Loughborough University group's 1999 inventory", the reader is directed to Global City, giving the reader an expectation that the term "gamma world city" will be defined there. However, that article no longer has "gamma" in its text (see the talk page there), so there is a potential for confusion. Jim ( talk) 11:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
There's a footnote saying "The variant spelling 'Melbournian' is sometimes found but is considered grammatically incorrect. The term 'Melbournite' is also sometimes used." Unfortunately this note is an orphan. What is the correct demonym, and why isn't it in the infobox? Randall Bart Talk 15:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I've just deleted the former basketball teams, South Dragons and Melbourne Tigers as basketball teams from Melbourne playing in the NBL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwu8991 ( talk • contribs) 10:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe these flags should be added to the pages imagery. Here is a link to the flag of Greater Melbourne [1] This link shows the official flag of the City of Melbourne. [2]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.131.183 ( talk) 08:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm questioning the image because I've lived here for nearly a decade and I've never seen this stele. It is really important enough to go in this article ? Should it have replaced the earlier Chinatown images ?
I thought the Chinatown image in this section was more appropriate. The Chinese have had a permanent settlement in Melbourne for over 150 years - since the city was declared (and possibly the second most historic Chinatown in the world), whereas the Greeks have been here for only around half a century. Thessaloniki is not a well known world city, whereas China is a country with nearly half the world's populaation.
Also Chinatown is a much more recognisable cultural landmark than the Thessaloniki sister cities stele.
Surely Chinatown is a more important symbol for this section. -- Biatch ( talk) 01:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I notice that Melbourne is currently listed as being in the County of Bourke, however technically Greater Melbourne extends eastward to the County of Evelyn southward to the County of Mornington and also westward to the County of Grant.
Perhaps these counties should be added to the infobox.
-- Biatch ( talk) 07:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The equating of the CBD with the old Hoddle street grid under "Urban Structure" is hopelessly out of date. This is recognised in the Melbourne City Centre article which counts Southbank and Docklands as part of the CBD. I entered (in this article) that Southbank and Docklands have much office development - this was removed. So, as a stir, I put in an edit that the Eureka tower (the tallest building) is in fact outside the (old) CBD, which means the Rialto is still the tallest building in the CBD (as defined by this article). In defining the CBD it is long overdue that the defacto reality of its extension into Southbank and Docklands be recognised. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.221.94.223 ( talk) 03:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to include an image that shows trams in it in the infobox montage. The National Trust lists the tram network as one of Melbourne's greatest landmarks and they help greatly to define the character of the city. -- Biatch ( talk) 05:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Anyone thinking about nominating for GAN in the coming weeks, as the article has been drastically improved lately. Aaroncrick ( talk) 03:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Are London and Vancouver sister cities? They are not listed in the reference this page gives for that section. Format ( talk) 22:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
No —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.98.116 ( talk) 09:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
A new Melbourne Meetup is being organised for Sunday 9 August, 2009. The chief programs officer for the Wikimedia Foundation, Jennifer Riggs will be in town and is looking forward to meeting some of the local wikipedians. So, please check out Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne 14 and sign up if you can make it. Cuddy Wifter ( talk) 07:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
"Reference" #3 about a supposed local pronunciation of Melbourne is not a credible external reference, it is another wikipedia page. Another WP page is not a credible external reference. BTW that page or its references say nothing about Melbourne, they test and discuss only the Victorian country town of Wangaratta, Victoria - nowhere near Melbourne. (BTW: according to Wikipedia, Wangaratta itself has two different pronunciations.) Format ( talk) 05:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The first reference is for the international pronunciation as used by North American, North English and Irish accents, and uses the general transcription from the reliable source of dictionary.com, as published by Random House. Please use the correct IPA for transcriptions representing accents. The first uses the general transcription as found on Wikipedia:IPA for English and the second, is a narrow Australian transcription from Australian English phonology. The reference user Bidgee gave for the Australian pronunciation was published in 2003, whilst the reference I used was published in 2005, so I think it's better to use the latest publication. – Marco 79 04:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I stumbled accross this article about laneways in melbourne from the age, written in 2008. i thought it might be a help for anyone trying to expand that part of the article. http://business.theage.com.au/business/life-thrives-in-the-laneways-20080527-2iqd.html?page=1 Chumchum14 ( talk) 12:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I took this image in Melbourne but don't know the name of the street or mall. Does anyone here know so I can give the image a proper description. Cheers . Adam ( talk) 21:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
There are two images in this article that I strongly suggest be taken out. The .gif that shows the population growth is not useful at all, since it only shows 1830, 1880, 2006, and 2030. It is also not at all clear what sources were used to develop it. Furthermore, it is not exactly professional looking. Also, the picture of "autumn in Canterbury" is very blurry and seems clearly to have been taken with some kind of color saturation filter to make it look "redder." Would anyone rather these two images stay?
Plus, I see from an archived talk page that there is a featured image that shows a good shot of the downtown area that was inexplicably removed from the article a long time ago. I would also recommend putting it back in and replacing one of the many images already here that show the CBD, none of which are at the same level of quality. Dmz5 *Edits* *Talk* 23:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Can someone PLEASE put a proper picture of the city skyline up, all the ones shown have been absolutley terrible and do not depict this city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.39.39 ( talk) 06:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
hi melbournr has such a great attrection —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.3.104.56 ( talk) 10:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
The Australian place infobox is ineffective for articles on Australian greater metropolitan areas and/or Australia's capital and "global" cities. As a standard, I've noticed the settlement infobox is used for articles on cities of the World (see almost any city article: New York City, Warsaw, Santiago, etc. Also, Loughborough-ranked GaWC Beta World Cities+ like Melbourne, eg: Los Angeles, New Delhi, Dubai, etc. And, The Economist-ranked World's Most Livable Cities like Melbourne, eg: Vancouver, Vienna, Geneva, etc.
While the the IAP may be effective for 6,000 articles on smaller Australian towns and cities. The settlement infobox is used for pretty much every other article on every other city in the World. I think the IAP is a good infobox for aforementioned articles on smaller Australian towns and cities, but for major cities like Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, etc., it is ineffective, and we should use the settlement infobox for those articles. Or at least create an effective IAP-styled infobox. Thoughts? - NouvelleAuteur ( talk) 15:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
The pop/area/density statistics in the infobox are a little confused and highly confusing.
Normally I would probably just "be bold" (I would prefer to count the Melbourne UA/L; I doubt people in Warbuton identify themselves as Melburnian, but rather say they come from a town outside Melbourne—but I'm not from Warburton and don't know anyone who is, so this is mere speculation) but here:
Still, would it be possible to build consensus that "Melbourne" in general refers to the area/population of the Melbourne UA/L, and that the statistics should refer to Melbourne UA/L? — Felix the Cassowary 16:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I just undid the image vandalism on this article (the good pictures where changed to unrelated images (such as the top right picture changes to a birthday cake for Susan). 70.81.82.151 ( talk) 00:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
It's going on here; the last bit relates to the wrong hyphens in the table of temperatures in this article on Melbourne, now changed to minus signs per MoS. Tony (talk) 10:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to see some information about why the word "Melburnian" was decided upon as the term for a resident of Melbourne. I presume it's from the presumed Latin version of Melbourne. But who first used it, and how did it come to be generally accepted? -- JackofOz ( talk) 08:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I have removed some content that appears to have been lifted word-for-word, without permission, from the online source that it was citing. The content had no identification whether permission for its use was ever sought from the owners of that content. I have therefore reverted to a previous version of the citation, that does not include that content. [5] -- 203.220.171.83 ( talk) 04:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Could the IPA edit warriors please bring it to the talk page? Josh Parris 11:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
kwami, what is 'generic english'. Going from what has been put in this article, it seems 'generic English' is the American accent which is patently false. The correct pronunciation of the city of Melbourne, Australia, is the so called 'local' pronunciation. To use your Moscow example, IMO it would be preferable for non russians to say Moskva, however if we are going to use english pronunciations, is the 'generic english' Mos-cow as in moo cow as americans would say, or is it Mos-coe as Commonwealth speakers would say? In Moscow, both are given, there is no so-called 'generic English' option. Or to use another example, St. Louis, Missouri is pronounced, Loui-S in america, and this is given as the pronunciation. However technically, 'Louis' is pronounced Lou-ee in other english jurisdictions. So the question is, when non americans say St LouiS, are they using a so-called generic english pronunciation, or the american pronunciation. Mitsuhirato ( talk) 01:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I have lived here in Melbourne all my 50 years, and have never heard it pronounced /mælbən/. When I go to look at reference 3, there is nothing there except an assertion that some residents of New Zealand origin pronounce it that way. Even if true (and I don't think it is), that would be original research and contrary to Wikipedia policy. That pronunciation and bogus reference should be removed. 118.209.122.85 ( talk) 03:49, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
There would be a multitude of accents and varying pronunciations that are in fact routinely used by Melbourne "locals" every day, given the multicultural makeup of the place. However, it is unrealistic to list them all here. What I see it that "Malburn" has been disputed by some, which means that we do not have consensus. There are no references here or in the Salary celery merger article to corroborate the "Malburn" pronunciation either, or even that it is used in Melbourne at all. If people really do say "Malburn", why aren't there any references to the fact? I am not sure why people are intent of having something that is unreferenced and disputed by some locals in the article? Format ( talk) 08:00, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
OK. Been thinking about this and listening to the radio in Melbourne a bit over the Easter break. It seems to me that if you asked locals to pronounce Malbn or Melbn, it would sound exactly the same as the way they pronounce Melbourne. I've no skills with IPA, so I don't know how to write that in the clever way some of you can, but my conclusion are....
"Almost a quarter of Victoria's population was born overseas, and the city is home to residents from 233 countries, who speak over 180 languages and dialects and follow 116 religious faiths."
There are only 193 countries in the world; and 116 religious faiths is very hyperbolic, especially when 99% of those belong to the four or five major faiths. Colipon+( Talk) 18:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
"Though the city is known as a melting pot of various cultures, there has been a recent wave of attacks against people of Indian origin"
The claim that there has been a 'recent wave' of attacks on Indians is unsubstantiated. The article in The Age reports an isolated incident on one individual, which is not indicative of a greater trend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohanmilton ( talk • contribs) 09:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC) -- Rohanmilton ( talk) 09:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
The attacks may be notable (Indian students & taxi drivers were undisputably disproportionately victims, and international media attention was also probably notably disproportionate) but a 'wave' of attacks is probably not the best description, and this info doesnt really belong in demographics. The attacks and drop in enrollments are probably worth mentioning in the article somewhere (as is the change in visa access which probably also affected enrollments) Clovis Sangrail ( talk) 09:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
File:Flag of greater Melbourne.PNG was nominated for deletion on Commons a long time ago. Do we have any verification for who created/used this? It was mentioned here recently at Talk:Melbourne/Archive_7#Flags_of_Melbourne -- John Vandenberg ( chat) 12:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
This is unnecessary. Should be mentioned in history as it is historically important, but is no longer relevant. There was no official title for the settlement before its naming. All that is important to the opening paragraph is the origin of the current name. -- Biatch ( talk) 04:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
This article focuses on greater Melbourne rather than the Melbourne CBD and therefore the claim that Melbourne is within the county of Bourke is wrong. Much of greater Melbourne is within Bourke, but the city has expanded beyond it into at least the County of Mornington also. 110.32.129.40 ( talk) 12:30, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I think it would be best to make a choice. Either one gives ALL the stats (population of urban area AND metropolitan area, the same thing for the size of the area), or one makes a choice between urban or metropolitan area. At this moment the population of the metropolitan area is given, yet the size of the urban area. So could someone please change that? If no one changes it, I'll do some research, and change it myself. Robster1983 ( talk) 09:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Population | Size | Density | Sp | Ss | Sd | |
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Metropolitan area | 4.00 million + 612 | 8806 km² | 454 p/km² | SD + [7] | wp article | calculation |
Statistical division | 4.00 million | 7692 km² | 520 p/km² | [8] | see comment | [9] |
Urban Centre/Locality | 3,371,886 | 2153 km² | 1566 p/km² | 2006 census | calculation | WP article |
The intro says 30 with a citation but the infobox says 31 ... which is it officially ?? -- Biatch ( talk) 01:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
It's 140kb, significantly longer than many other articles that also contain these tags. Altormainstream ( talk) 03:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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I know Australian cities are kind of confusing in how they're defined, but I'm a bit lost here, I'm just not sure reading this article, what parts of "Greater Melbourne" consider themselves to be Melbourne. In Sydney, there's about 43 Local Government areas which make up the population and area figures normally given to them, 38 of which (listed in the Sydney article) would generally consider themselves to be part of Sydney (i.e. nearly everyone born in one of them would say they're born in Sydney), whereas the other 5 would generally just be part of the statistical division (I even wonder if there are people who live there who don't know there population figures go to Sydney). Is it similar in Melbourne? Are there some LGA's that wouldn't consider themselves part of Melbourne outside of area and population figures? Or are all 31 LGA's considered part? Or even, is it only the city of Melbourne that is actually considered Melbourne?
And on that note, is it appropriate to list "Sister cities" for the City of Melbourne when this article isn't solely about the city of Melbourne?
Sorry if I don't make any sense, I'll clarify anything that needs to be if you ask. Anoldtreeok ( talk) 02:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
The housing section contains several un-sourced statements and the number is growing . Shouldn't these be removed? (Although a link to Housing_in_Victoria,_Australia is included, but the article has similar issues too.) wcrosbie ( talk), Melbourne, Australia 03:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I've always had an issue with the line in this paragraph about Melbourne enjoying extended periods of settled and sunny weather in spring. Has this guy ever lived here? Does he know that spring is statistically Melbourne's wettest and windiest time of year? Has he ever experienced a crappy week in October? Chodaboy57 ( talk) 00:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Can someone add something about experiencing all the four seasons in one day in Melbourne? Nameisnotimportant ( talk) 01:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC) Where in the world did this person get the stat of annual sunshine hours over 2700 per year. Thats up there with the Gold coast. From every source I find this is at least 600 hours over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.121.79 ( talk) 23:13, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
As so often in city articles, there are too many pics, and they were squashy in places and disorganised in relation to the text (left-side problem). Best to jam the syntax of the images all up at the top of each section: that way, it optimises the placement for all window widths (try it and see). I left the gaudy night pic of the bridge, but surely there's better architectual photography ...? I removed some of the ... very boring, ordinary pics, I'm afraid. The reservoir, the airport (yawn), etc. Some pics remaining are too dark: can they be brightened and re-uploaded? I can't believe there aren't better pics in a few cases, on Commons. Tony (talk) 10:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and why is a rhotic pronunciation given first???? Melborrrrrrrne, as an American might say it without knowing. Tony (talk) 10:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Why is melbourne's climate not characterized as subtropical? It's average temprature fits the criteria of a subtropical climate and it is below the 40th parallel and subtropical regions can go beyond the 40th parallel (for example barcelona spain). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.196.246 ( talk • contribs) 18 August 2011
Just my opinion, but if this page uses "Melbourne" in the statistical sense of the area (the metropolitan definition), then the density definition should match. It's confusing and inconsistent to list the area and population for the statistical area, but then have the density figure be for the urban area. What I'd propose is that the primary density figure given should be the metropolitan density figure, and then you can add the urban area density figure in the infobox, too, but to mix and match definitions doesn't seem consistent with how other metropolitan area pages on wiki are composed. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 13:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
The Culture section makes a big deal associating the Eureka Stockade film with Melbourne, but it doesn't really explain why. Given that the event was in a different city, how is this relevant (ie Ballarat) specifically to Melbourne. Firstly, it does not state which Eureka Stockade film it is referring to - there are several, some of which were filmed overseas. Secondly, the article it links to mentions nothing of it being filmed in Melbourne, only that many of the scenes were filmed in Ballarat. Unless this claim is properly referenced, I really think it should be deleted from the article. -- Marrickvilleman ( talk) 02:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Editors here may be interested in this multiple RM that I have initiated. My preamble:
These articles are all concerned with street names in Melbourne. (I would have include another 17, but the template has a limit of 30.) I do not support these moves; but I know that some very active editors do. It is time to air the matter, once and for all. Is it better to have an article on Collins Street in Melbourne called simply Collins Street, or to have it called Collins Street, Melbourne as at present? Which option serves the needs of Wikipedia's worldwide readership better? In almost all cases that I list there is no content in the destination article, just a redirect. And in almost all cases there is no Wikipedia article that very closely resembles the Melbourne-oriented one. There are, for example, no other Collins Streets with their own articles.
Your vote ("Support" or "Oppose") would be welcome, along with your reasons.
Noetica Tea? 12:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Ericardo1979 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) keeps replacing File:Melbourne Skyline from Rialto Crop - Nov 2008.jpg, a high res featured (picutre) panorama taken in 2008, with File:Melbourne Skyline 2012.jpg, a low res taken in 2012. In this case Melbourne's skyline hasn't changed too much so quality of the image is much more important then being a 2012 photograph. Bidgee ( talk) 12:42, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I took the image for this article and I really liked it! It shows the skyline in a very dramatic way. I understand you don't want any current photos removed, that is fair, however can't I find room in this article for my image? The quality was a lot stronger before I uploaded it to Wikipedia. Ericardo1979 ( talk)
I will upload the original photo onto Wikipedia when I am on a faster computer. I thought the flickr size was the standard Wikipedia size and would be good enough for the Wikipedia article. Ericardo1979 ( talk) 11:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
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CAN SOMEONE ADD A PROPER PICTURE OF THE MELBOURNE SKYLINE. THOSE IMAGES DO NOT REPRESENT HOW THIS CITY LOOKS WHATSOEVER! THEY ARE A HANDFUL OF BUILDINGS SHOWN FROM TERRIBLE ANGLES. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.220.57 ( talk) 09:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I like it, shows the main features of Melbourne, the Yarra, Flinders St, Fed Sq and the MCG. All icons you couldn't show in one skyline pic.
Davo499 ( talk) 10:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
It's terrible, it has the best skyline of all australian cities and it looks like some country town from those pics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.241.130 ( talk) 06:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
In "It has been recognised as a gamma world city by the Loughborough University group's 1999 inventory", the reader is directed to Global City, giving the reader an expectation that the term "gamma world city" will be defined there. However, that article no longer has "gamma" in its text (see the talk page there), so there is a potential for confusion. Jim ( talk) 11:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
There's a footnote saying "The variant spelling 'Melbournian' is sometimes found but is considered grammatically incorrect. The term 'Melbournite' is also sometimes used." Unfortunately this note is an orphan. What is the correct demonym, and why isn't it in the infobox? Randall Bart Talk 15:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I've just deleted the former basketball teams, South Dragons and Melbourne Tigers as basketball teams from Melbourne playing in the NBL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwu8991 ( talk • contribs) 10:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe these flags should be added to the pages imagery. Here is a link to the flag of Greater Melbourne [1] This link shows the official flag of the City of Melbourne. [2]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.131.183 ( talk) 08:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm questioning the image because I've lived here for nearly a decade and I've never seen this stele. It is really important enough to go in this article ? Should it have replaced the earlier Chinatown images ?
I thought the Chinatown image in this section was more appropriate. The Chinese have had a permanent settlement in Melbourne for over 150 years - since the city was declared (and possibly the second most historic Chinatown in the world), whereas the Greeks have been here for only around half a century. Thessaloniki is not a well known world city, whereas China is a country with nearly half the world's populaation.
Also Chinatown is a much more recognisable cultural landmark than the Thessaloniki sister cities stele.
Surely Chinatown is a more important symbol for this section. -- Biatch ( talk) 01:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I notice that Melbourne is currently listed as being in the County of Bourke, however technically Greater Melbourne extends eastward to the County of Evelyn southward to the County of Mornington and also westward to the County of Grant.
Perhaps these counties should be added to the infobox.
-- Biatch ( talk) 07:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The equating of the CBD with the old Hoddle street grid under "Urban Structure" is hopelessly out of date. This is recognised in the Melbourne City Centre article which counts Southbank and Docklands as part of the CBD. I entered (in this article) that Southbank and Docklands have much office development - this was removed. So, as a stir, I put in an edit that the Eureka tower (the tallest building) is in fact outside the (old) CBD, which means the Rialto is still the tallest building in the CBD (as defined by this article). In defining the CBD it is long overdue that the defacto reality of its extension into Southbank and Docklands be recognised. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.221.94.223 ( talk) 03:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to include an image that shows trams in it in the infobox montage. The National Trust lists the tram network as one of Melbourne's greatest landmarks and they help greatly to define the character of the city. -- Biatch ( talk) 05:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Anyone thinking about nominating for GAN in the coming weeks, as the article has been drastically improved lately. Aaroncrick ( talk) 03:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Are London and Vancouver sister cities? They are not listed in the reference this page gives for that section. Format ( talk) 22:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
No —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.98.116 ( talk) 09:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
A new Melbourne Meetup is being organised for Sunday 9 August, 2009. The chief programs officer for the Wikimedia Foundation, Jennifer Riggs will be in town and is looking forward to meeting some of the local wikipedians. So, please check out Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne 14 and sign up if you can make it. Cuddy Wifter ( talk) 07:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
"Reference" #3 about a supposed local pronunciation of Melbourne is not a credible external reference, it is another wikipedia page. Another WP page is not a credible external reference. BTW that page or its references say nothing about Melbourne, they test and discuss only the Victorian country town of Wangaratta, Victoria - nowhere near Melbourne. (BTW: according to Wikipedia, Wangaratta itself has two different pronunciations.) Format ( talk) 05:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The first reference is for the international pronunciation as used by North American, North English and Irish accents, and uses the general transcription from the reliable source of dictionary.com, as published by Random House. Please use the correct IPA for transcriptions representing accents. The first uses the general transcription as found on Wikipedia:IPA for English and the second, is a narrow Australian transcription from Australian English phonology. The reference user Bidgee gave for the Australian pronunciation was published in 2003, whilst the reference I used was published in 2005, so I think it's better to use the latest publication. – Marco 79 04:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I stumbled accross this article about laneways in melbourne from the age, written in 2008. i thought it might be a help for anyone trying to expand that part of the article. http://business.theage.com.au/business/life-thrives-in-the-laneways-20080527-2iqd.html?page=1 Chumchum14 ( talk) 12:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I took this image in Melbourne but don't know the name of the street or mall. Does anyone here know so I can give the image a proper description. Cheers . Adam ( talk) 21:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
There are two images in this article that I strongly suggest be taken out. The .gif that shows the population growth is not useful at all, since it only shows 1830, 1880, 2006, and 2030. It is also not at all clear what sources were used to develop it. Furthermore, it is not exactly professional looking. Also, the picture of "autumn in Canterbury" is very blurry and seems clearly to have been taken with some kind of color saturation filter to make it look "redder." Would anyone rather these two images stay?
Plus, I see from an archived talk page that there is a featured image that shows a good shot of the downtown area that was inexplicably removed from the article a long time ago. I would also recommend putting it back in and replacing one of the many images already here that show the CBD, none of which are at the same level of quality. Dmz5 *Edits* *Talk* 23:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Can someone PLEASE put a proper picture of the city skyline up, all the ones shown have been absolutley terrible and do not depict this city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.39.39 ( talk) 06:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
hi melbournr has such a great attrection —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.3.104.56 ( talk) 10:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
The Australian place infobox is ineffective for articles on Australian greater metropolitan areas and/or Australia's capital and "global" cities. As a standard, I've noticed the settlement infobox is used for articles on cities of the World (see almost any city article: New York City, Warsaw, Santiago, etc. Also, Loughborough-ranked GaWC Beta World Cities+ like Melbourne, eg: Los Angeles, New Delhi, Dubai, etc. And, The Economist-ranked World's Most Livable Cities like Melbourne, eg: Vancouver, Vienna, Geneva, etc.
While the the IAP may be effective for 6,000 articles on smaller Australian towns and cities. The settlement infobox is used for pretty much every other article on every other city in the World. I think the IAP is a good infobox for aforementioned articles on smaller Australian towns and cities, but for major cities like Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, etc., it is ineffective, and we should use the settlement infobox for those articles. Or at least create an effective IAP-styled infobox. Thoughts? - NouvelleAuteur ( talk) 15:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
The pop/area/density statistics in the infobox are a little confused and highly confusing.
Normally I would probably just "be bold" (I would prefer to count the Melbourne UA/L; I doubt people in Warbuton identify themselves as Melburnian, but rather say they come from a town outside Melbourne—but I'm not from Warburton and don't know anyone who is, so this is mere speculation) but here:
Still, would it be possible to build consensus that "Melbourne" in general refers to the area/population of the Melbourne UA/L, and that the statistics should refer to Melbourne UA/L? — Felix the Cassowary 16:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I just undid the image vandalism on this article (the good pictures where changed to unrelated images (such as the top right picture changes to a birthday cake for Susan). 70.81.82.151 ( talk) 00:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
It's going on here; the last bit relates to the wrong hyphens in the table of temperatures in this article on Melbourne, now changed to minus signs per MoS. Tony (talk) 10:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to see some information about why the word "Melburnian" was decided upon as the term for a resident of Melbourne. I presume it's from the presumed Latin version of Melbourne. But who first used it, and how did it come to be generally accepted? -- JackofOz ( talk) 08:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I have removed some content that appears to have been lifted word-for-word, without permission, from the online source that it was citing. The content had no identification whether permission for its use was ever sought from the owners of that content. I have therefore reverted to a previous version of the citation, that does not include that content. [5] -- 203.220.171.83 ( talk) 04:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Could the IPA edit warriors please bring it to the talk page? Josh Parris 11:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
kwami, what is 'generic english'. Going from what has been put in this article, it seems 'generic English' is the American accent which is patently false. The correct pronunciation of the city of Melbourne, Australia, is the so called 'local' pronunciation. To use your Moscow example, IMO it would be preferable for non russians to say Moskva, however if we are going to use english pronunciations, is the 'generic english' Mos-cow as in moo cow as americans would say, or is it Mos-coe as Commonwealth speakers would say? In Moscow, both are given, there is no so-called 'generic English' option. Or to use another example, St. Louis, Missouri is pronounced, Loui-S in america, and this is given as the pronunciation. However technically, 'Louis' is pronounced Lou-ee in other english jurisdictions. So the question is, when non americans say St LouiS, are they using a so-called generic english pronunciation, or the american pronunciation. Mitsuhirato ( talk) 01:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
I have lived here in Melbourne all my 50 years, and have never heard it pronounced /mælbən/. When I go to look at reference 3, there is nothing there except an assertion that some residents of New Zealand origin pronounce it that way. Even if true (and I don't think it is), that would be original research and contrary to Wikipedia policy. That pronunciation and bogus reference should be removed. 118.209.122.85 ( talk) 03:49, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
There would be a multitude of accents and varying pronunciations that are in fact routinely used by Melbourne "locals" every day, given the multicultural makeup of the place. However, it is unrealistic to list them all here. What I see it that "Malburn" has been disputed by some, which means that we do not have consensus. There are no references here or in the Salary celery merger article to corroborate the "Malburn" pronunciation either, or even that it is used in Melbourne at all. If people really do say "Malburn", why aren't there any references to the fact? I am not sure why people are intent of having something that is unreferenced and disputed by some locals in the article? Format ( talk) 08:00, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
OK. Been thinking about this and listening to the radio in Melbourne a bit over the Easter break. It seems to me that if you asked locals to pronounce Malbn or Melbn, it would sound exactly the same as the way they pronounce Melbourne. I've no skills with IPA, so I don't know how to write that in the clever way some of you can, but my conclusion are....
"Almost a quarter of Victoria's population was born overseas, and the city is home to residents from 233 countries, who speak over 180 languages and dialects and follow 116 religious faiths."
There are only 193 countries in the world; and 116 religious faiths is very hyperbolic, especially when 99% of those belong to the four or five major faiths. Colipon+( Talk) 18:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
"Though the city is known as a melting pot of various cultures, there has been a recent wave of attacks against people of Indian origin"
The claim that there has been a 'recent wave' of attacks on Indians is unsubstantiated. The article in The Age reports an isolated incident on one individual, which is not indicative of a greater trend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohanmilton ( talk • contribs) 09:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC) -- Rohanmilton ( talk) 09:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
The attacks may be notable (Indian students & taxi drivers were undisputably disproportionately victims, and international media attention was also probably notably disproportionate) but a 'wave' of attacks is probably not the best description, and this info doesnt really belong in demographics. The attacks and drop in enrollments are probably worth mentioning in the article somewhere (as is the change in visa access which probably also affected enrollments) Clovis Sangrail ( talk) 09:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
File:Flag of greater Melbourne.PNG was nominated for deletion on Commons a long time ago. Do we have any verification for who created/used this? It was mentioned here recently at Talk:Melbourne/Archive_7#Flags_of_Melbourne -- John Vandenberg ( chat) 12:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
This is unnecessary. Should be mentioned in history as it is historically important, but is no longer relevant. There was no official title for the settlement before its naming. All that is important to the opening paragraph is the origin of the current name. -- Biatch ( talk) 04:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
This article focuses on greater Melbourne rather than the Melbourne CBD and therefore the claim that Melbourne is within the county of Bourke is wrong. Much of greater Melbourne is within Bourke, but the city has expanded beyond it into at least the County of Mornington also. 110.32.129.40 ( talk) 12:30, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I think it would be best to make a choice. Either one gives ALL the stats (population of urban area AND metropolitan area, the same thing for the size of the area), or one makes a choice between urban or metropolitan area. At this moment the population of the metropolitan area is given, yet the size of the urban area. So could someone please change that? If no one changes it, I'll do some research, and change it myself. Robster1983 ( talk) 09:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Population | Size | Density | Sp | Ss | Sd | |
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Metropolitan area | 4.00 million + 612 | 8806 km² | 454 p/km² | SD + [7] | wp article | calculation |
Statistical division | 4.00 million | 7692 km² | 520 p/km² | [8] | see comment | [9] |
Urban Centre/Locality | 3,371,886 | 2153 km² | 1566 p/km² | 2006 census | calculation | WP article |
The intro says 30 with a citation but the infobox says 31 ... which is it officially ?? -- Biatch ( talk) 01:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
It's 140kb, significantly longer than many other articles that also contain these tags. Altormainstream ( talk) 03:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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I know Australian cities are kind of confusing in how they're defined, but I'm a bit lost here, I'm just not sure reading this article, what parts of "Greater Melbourne" consider themselves to be Melbourne. In Sydney, there's about 43 Local Government areas which make up the population and area figures normally given to them, 38 of which (listed in the Sydney article) would generally consider themselves to be part of Sydney (i.e. nearly everyone born in one of them would say they're born in Sydney), whereas the other 5 would generally just be part of the statistical division (I even wonder if there are people who live there who don't know there population figures go to Sydney). Is it similar in Melbourne? Are there some LGA's that wouldn't consider themselves part of Melbourne outside of area and population figures? Or are all 31 LGA's considered part? Or even, is it only the city of Melbourne that is actually considered Melbourne?
And on that note, is it appropriate to list "Sister cities" for the City of Melbourne when this article isn't solely about the city of Melbourne?
Sorry if I don't make any sense, I'll clarify anything that needs to be if you ask. Anoldtreeok ( talk) 02:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
The housing section contains several un-sourced statements and the number is growing . Shouldn't these be removed? (Although a link to Housing_in_Victoria,_Australia is included, but the article has similar issues too.) wcrosbie ( talk), Melbourne, Australia 03:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I've always had an issue with the line in this paragraph about Melbourne enjoying extended periods of settled and sunny weather in spring. Has this guy ever lived here? Does he know that spring is statistically Melbourne's wettest and windiest time of year? Has he ever experienced a crappy week in October? Chodaboy57 ( talk) 00:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Can someone add something about experiencing all the four seasons in one day in Melbourne? Nameisnotimportant ( talk) 01:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC) Where in the world did this person get the stat of annual sunshine hours over 2700 per year. Thats up there with the Gold coast. From every source I find this is at least 600 hours over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.121.79 ( talk) 23:13, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
As so often in city articles, there are too many pics, and they were squashy in places and disorganised in relation to the text (left-side problem). Best to jam the syntax of the images all up at the top of each section: that way, it optimises the placement for all window widths (try it and see). I left the gaudy night pic of the bridge, but surely there's better architectual photography ...? I removed some of the ... very boring, ordinary pics, I'm afraid. The reservoir, the airport (yawn), etc. Some pics remaining are too dark: can they be brightened and re-uploaded? I can't believe there aren't better pics in a few cases, on Commons. Tony (talk) 10:44, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and why is a rhotic pronunciation given first???? Melborrrrrrrne, as an American might say it without knowing. Tony (talk) 10:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Why is melbourne's climate not characterized as subtropical? It's average temprature fits the criteria of a subtropical climate and it is below the 40th parallel and subtropical regions can go beyond the 40th parallel (for example barcelona spain). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.196.246 ( talk • contribs) 18 August 2011
Just my opinion, but if this page uses "Melbourne" in the statistical sense of the area (the metropolitan definition), then the density definition should match. It's confusing and inconsistent to list the area and population for the statistical area, but then have the density figure be for the urban area. What I'd propose is that the primary density figure given should be the metropolitan density figure, and then you can add the urban area density figure in the infobox, too, but to mix and match definitions doesn't seem consistent with how other metropolitan area pages on wiki are composed. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 13:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
The Culture section makes a big deal associating the Eureka Stockade film with Melbourne, but it doesn't really explain why. Given that the event was in a different city, how is this relevant (ie Ballarat) specifically to Melbourne. Firstly, it does not state which Eureka Stockade film it is referring to - there are several, some of which were filmed overseas. Secondly, the article it links to mentions nothing of it being filmed in Melbourne, only that many of the scenes were filmed in Ballarat. Unless this claim is properly referenced, I really think it should be deleted from the article. -- Marrickvilleman ( talk) 02:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Editors here may be interested in this multiple RM that I have initiated. My preamble:
These articles are all concerned with street names in Melbourne. (I would have include another 17, but the template has a limit of 30.) I do not support these moves; but I know that some very active editors do. It is time to air the matter, once and for all. Is it better to have an article on Collins Street in Melbourne called simply Collins Street, or to have it called Collins Street, Melbourne as at present? Which option serves the needs of Wikipedia's worldwide readership better? In almost all cases that I list there is no content in the destination article, just a redirect. And in almost all cases there is no Wikipedia article that very closely resembles the Melbourne-oriented one. There are, for example, no other Collins Streets with their own articles.
Your vote ("Support" or "Oppose") would be welcome, along with your reasons.
Noetica Tea? 12:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Ericardo1979 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) keeps replacing File:Melbourne Skyline from Rialto Crop - Nov 2008.jpg, a high res featured (picutre) panorama taken in 2008, with File:Melbourne Skyline 2012.jpg, a low res taken in 2012. In this case Melbourne's skyline hasn't changed too much so quality of the image is much more important then being a 2012 photograph. Bidgee ( talk) 12:42, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I took the image for this article and I really liked it! It shows the skyline in a very dramatic way. I understand you don't want any current photos removed, that is fair, however can't I find room in this article for my image? The quality was a lot stronger before I uploaded it to Wikipedia. Ericardo1979 ( talk)
I will upload the original photo onto Wikipedia when I am on a faster computer. I thought the flickr size was the standard Wikipedia size and would be good enough for the Wikipedia article. Ericardo1979 ( talk) 11:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC)