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the following doesnt seem to belong here, but rather somewhere else:
– ishwar (speak) 18:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
There are a lot of links relating to a yahoo group called "Seirangba Marup, the Yahoo Group of Manipuri Art and Literature". What is the purpose? Maddy 09:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was move. —-- Evertype· ✆ 11:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC) (Not a moderator...)
Meithei language → Meitei language — The language has had a number of spellings in English but "th" is not preferred by expert speakers and linguists consulted with. The article has been edited to "Meitei" throughout. -- Evertype· ✆ 10:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
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Everything else says it’s mostly written with Bengali (if not Meithei Mayek) but the infobox says Devnagari. Huh? — Wiki Wikardo 08:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I think that the assertion that Manipur is a himalayan state, is wrong. Eregli bob ( talk) 12:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
The assertion that Manipur is a himalayan state, is wrong. this section in the green section is also wrong. Eregli bob ( talk) 12:27, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Add these titles to a further reading or bibliography section. The trilingual English, Bangali and Manipuri dictionary is in public domain although Mittal Publications republished it, so it should go with Primrose's book into wikisource.
A Manipuri grammar, vocabulary, and phrase book: to which are added some Manipuri proverbs and specimens of Manipuri correspondence By Arthur John Primrose
A Dictionary in English Bangali and Manipuri
A Dictionary in English Bangali and Manipuri Publisher Mittal Publications
A Dictionary in English, Bengali, and Manipuri
Title A Dictionary in English, Bengali, and Manipuri Publisher Mittal, 1983 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized May 8, 2008 Length 341 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=yHhjAAAAMAAJ
A Dictionary of English, Bengali, and Manipuri. Second Edition. Revised. [The Bengali Portion Revised by B.K. Bhaṭtāchārya, and the Manipuri Portion by William Pettigrew.].
Title A Dictionary of English, Bengali, and Manipuri. Second Edition. Revised. [The Bengali Portion Revised by B.K. Bhaṭtāchārya, and the Manipuri Portion by William Pettigrew.]. Authors George Lawrie GORDON, B. K. BHAṬTĀCHĀRYA, Rev. William PETTIGREW Publisher Calcutta, 1896 Length 292 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=z6YUMwEACAAJ
A Dictionary in English, Bengali and Manipuri... 2nde Edition. [Revised].
Title A Dictionary in English, Bengali and Manipuri... 2nde Edition. [Revised]. Publisher the Baptist Mission Press, 1896
http://books.google.com/books?id=DRx0QwAACAAJ
A Dictionary in English, Bengali and Manipuri
Title A Dictionary in English, Bengali and Manipuri Authors George Lawrie Gordon, B. K. Bhattacharya, William Pettigrew Publisher Mittal publications, 1989 Length 341 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=fmEZQwAACAAJ
Education during British rule
http://books.google.com/books?id=AgIPAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA84#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=D7nNAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA84#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=_bUOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA486#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=l5VCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA215#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=cRgkAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA215#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan ( talk) 22:11, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Currently, it has the two lines মৈতৈলোন্ ꯃꯧꯇꯧꯂꯣꯟ and মৈতৈলোল্ ꯃꯤꯇꯧꯂꯣꯟ. The first line gives the name Meiteilon in Bengali script and Moutoulon in Meitei Mayek script. The second line says Meiteilol in Bengali script and Mitoulon in Meitei Mayek. Frankly, this does not make much sense.
I would rather expect that, provided the terms are spelled correctly in Bengali, the two Meitei Mayek forms should be ꯃꯩꯇꯩꯂꯣꯟ Meiteilon and ꯃꯩꯇꯩꯂꯣꯜ Meiteilol (the ei and ou signs are extremely similar, but ei is a little shorter). But then, I know nothing about this all except the letters, so I do not dare to edit it. 112.134.197.11 ( talk) 22:33, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Each reference to the language in the article is as "Manipuri or Meithellon", which looks ridiculous. The alternate names should be listed at the front, but from then on, we should use whatever language name we choose for the head. I am about to make that edit. We should discuss if anybody wants to edit back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanRBradford ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
I came here looking for the earliest ate of attestation, but did not find it. I am dissappointed. Tibetologist ( talk) 14:00, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Manipuri is not a good name for this language as there is another language called Manipuri. If you use the term Meitei, then there's no ambiguity. And, native speakers prefer Meitei over Manipuri anyway. And, Meitei is the usual term used by linguists who work on the language these days.
So, I'm going to move it back. – ishwar (speak) 23:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. It appears that there is a preference to stay with this name as it is thought to be more precise and to eliminate confusion with other languages. As the discussion has been open for several weeks now without further comment, there doesn't seem to be any point in relisting this debate. ( non-admin closure) Brad v 19:20, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Meitei language → Manipuri language – After a failed discussion and a subsequent move war with User:Ish ishwar, it is only best for this to be discussed with the opinion of other Wikipedians. Manipuri language is the WP:COMMONNAME (see Ngram as well as search for "Manipuri language" and search for "Meithei language"). The ISO 639-2 and -3 entry refers to it as "Manipuri" and it has a tag of "mni". Glottolog refers to the language as Manipuri with its Glottocode of "mani1292". It is the official name as per Manipur state, where it is predominantly spoken and where it is the only official language. The Eighth Schedule lists it as one of it's officially recognised regional languages. See here and here.
User:Ish ishwar prefers to cite work from 1997 and completely ignores WP:COMMONNAME. User:Ish ishwar also conveniently uses WP:ETHNICGROUP but fails to see WP:NCL#Languages and their speakers. This is about what is the common name of the language is in English, which is most definitely Manipuri. What the Meitei people refer to themselves is irrelevant here. (The article for German language isn't located at Deutsch language.) Filpro ( talk) 21:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)--Relisting. RGloucester — ☎ 17:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
I would also like to note that this user, while being an admin, has gone on a number of rampages to eliminate to the use "Manipuri" on Wikipedia and replace it with their own preferred version. Filpro ( talk) 21:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
This is a contested technical request ( permalink). Filpro ( talk) 21:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
In summary, my explicit equation is this:
Filpro's implicit equation seems to be something like this:
– ishwar (speak) 23:16, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Incidentally, my position on language and ethnic group names is largely aligned with most linguists whose general range of considerations is detailed in this work: https://www.academia.edu/29826079/Some_principles_for_language_names In my opinion, Wikipedia should largely adopt them. – ishwar (speak) 23:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Ish ishwar:, not all of these edits seem to be proper. Does the Indian Union recognise it as Manipuri or Meitei? Does the Sahitya Akademi give awards for Manipuri or Meitei? Retitling the page doesn't mean rewriting the world! -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 21:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
It has been recognised by the Indian Union and has been included in the list of scheduled languages (included in the 8th schedule by the 71st amendment of the constitution in 1992).was sourced, with the parenthetical remark "(as Manipuri)". Your deletion has made a misrepresentation of the source. I am reverting all your edits. Hopefully somebody with a better understanding of Wikipedia policies will redo it right. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 22:21, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Haoreima: Hi, it is regarding this edit. Since it is not official, and only a proposal as of now, I believe it would be better to mention it elsewhere in the article body and not the lead. After it gets official, we can add it as a gist in the lead. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 11:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
In the infobox of the current version of the article [1] there's a rather long list of states where Meitei is spoken, including for example Arunachal and Mizoram. What has been the basis for inclusion in this list? The sources are just the census tables, and all they show is that they are some speakers in all of those states. But there are speakers in all states of India, and in some of the states not included there are more speakers than in some of the those that were included (see table below).
Meitei speakers by state (2011)
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Source: Office of the Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India. "C-16: Population by mother tongue, India - 2011". Retrieved 14 October 2022. |
I'll add a brief section to the article, which will list the regions with the highest populations (I'm planning to stop the enumeration just after Nagaland, because there's a natural break there). As for the infobox, all it really needs is a mention of the region where the overwhelming majority of the speakers are found (see Template:Infobox language for how that parameter is meant to be used). – Uanfala ( talk) 17:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello @ Uanfala:! Could you please help me in finding out standard sources about the fact to know whether Meitei language belongs to Kuki Chin Naga family or Kuki Chin Mizo family or independent from both and just belonging to central Tibeto Burman language family? It's highly disputed among the opinions of different scholars and I think we need to properly clarify the facts by citing every notable scholars' comments by creating a separate section within the article. I started thinking about it after a recent edit by someone in the article Burmese Indians. -- Haoreima ( talk) 14:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
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Suggested changes: add " Kuki-Chin (?)" in language info box above Meitei and below Central Tibeto-Burman
Sources that prove Meitei might be a Kuki-Chin language (no sources deny it):
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-- Haoreima ( talk) 16:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)The latest opinion is of Burling (2003, p. 187-188) though none has put Manipuri in Nage or Kuki group it will be better to keep Manipuri by itself.
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the following doesnt seem to belong here, but rather somewhere else:
– ishwar (speak) 18:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
There are a lot of links relating to a yahoo group called "Seirangba Marup, the Yahoo Group of Manipuri Art and Literature". What is the purpose? Maddy 09:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was move. —-- Evertype· ✆ 11:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC) (Not a moderator...)
Meithei language → Meitei language — The language has had a number of spellings in English but "th" is not preferred by expert speakers and linguists consulted with. The article has been edited to "Meitei" throughout. -- Evertype· ✆ 10:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Add * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''' on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
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Everything else says it’s mostly written with Bengali (if not Meithei Mayek) but the infobox says Devnagari. Huh? — Wiki Wikardo 08:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I think that the assertion that Manipur is a himalayan state, is wrong. Eregli bob ( talk) 12:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
The assertion that Manipur is a himalayan state, is wrong. this section in the green section is also wrong. Eregli bob ( talk) 12:27, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Add these titles to a further reading or bibliography section. The trilingual English, Bangali and Manipuri dictionary is in public domain although Mittal Publications republished it, so it should go with Primrose's book into wikisource.
A Manipuri grammar, vocabulary, and phrase book: to which are added some Manipuri proverbs and specimens of Manipuri correspondence By Arthur John Primrose
A Dictionary in English Bangali and Manipuri
A Dictionary in English Bangali and Manipuri Publisher Mittal Publications
A Dictionary in English, Bengali, and Manipuri
Title A Dictionary in English, Bengali, and Manipuri Publisher Mittal, 1983 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized May 8, 2008 Length 341 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=yHhjAAAAMAAJ
A Dictionary of English, Bengali, and Manipuri. Second Edition. Revised. [The Bengali Portion Revised by B.K. Bhaṭtāchārya, and the Manipuri Portion by William Pettigrew.].
Title A Dictionary of English, Bengali, and Manipuri. Second Edition. Revised. [The Bengali Portion Revised by B.K. Bhaṭtāchārya, and the Manipuri Portion by William Pettigrew.]. Authors George Lawrie GORDON, B. K. BHAṬTĀCHĀRYA, Rev. William PETTIGREW Publisher Calcutta, 1896 Length 292 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=z6YUMwEACAAJ
A Dictionary in English, Bengali and Manipuri... 2nde Edition. [Revised].
Title A Dictionary in English, Bengali and Manipuri... 2nde Edition. [Revised]. Publisher the Baptist Mission Press, 1896
http://books.google.com/books?id=DRx0QwAACAAJ
A Dictionary in English, Bengali and Manipuri
Title A Dictionary in English, Bengali and Manipuri Authors George Lawrie Gordon, B. K. Bhattacharya, William Pettigrew Publisher Mittal publications, 1989 Length 341 pages
http://books.google.com/books?id=fmEZQwAACAAJ
Education during British rule
http://books.google.com/books?id=AgIPAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA84#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=D7nNAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA84#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=_bUOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA486#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=l5VCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA215#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=cRgkAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA215#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan ( talk) 22:11, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Currently, it has the two lines মৈতৈলোন্ ꯃꯧꯇꯧꯂꯣꯟ and মৈতৈলোল্ ꯃꯤꯇꯧꯂꯣꯟ. The first line gives the name Meiteilon in Bengali script and Moutoulon in Meitei Mayek script. The second line says Meiteilol in Bengali script and Mitoulon in Meitei Mayek. Frankly, this does not make much sense.
I would rather expect that, provided the terms are spelled correctly in Bengali, the two Meitei Mayek forms should be ꯃꯩꯇꯩꯂꯣꯟ Meiteilon and ꯃꯩꯇꯩꯂꯣꯜ Meiteilol (the ei and ou signs are extremely similar, but ei is a little shorter). But then, I know nothing about this all except the letters, so I do not dare to edit it. 112.134.197.11 ( talk) 22:33, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Each reference to the language in the article is as "Manipuri or Meithellon", which looks ridiculous. The alternate names should be listed at the front, but from then on, we should use whatever language name we choose for the head. I am about to make that edit. We should discuss if anybody wants to edit back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanRBradford ( talk • contribs) 18:36, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
I came here looking for the earliest ate of attestation, but did not find it. I am dissappointed. Tibetologist ( talk) 14:00, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Manipuri is not a good name for this language as there is another language called Manipuri. If you use the term Meitei, then there's no ambiguity. And, native speakers prefer Meitei over Manipuri anyway. And, Meitei is the usual term used by linguists who work on the language these days.
So, I'm going to move it back. – ishwar (speak) 23:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. It appears that there is a preference to stay with this name as it is thought to be more precise and to eliminate confusion with other languages. As the discussion has been open for several weeks now without further comment, there doesn't seem to be any point in relisting this debate. ( non-admin closure) Brad v 19:20, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Meitei language → Manipuri language – After a failed discussion and a subsequent move war with User:Ish ishwar, it is only best for this to be discussed with the opinion of other Wikipedians. Manipuri language is the WP:COMMONNAME (see Ngram as well as search for "Manipuri language" and search for "Meithei language"). The ISO 639-2 and -3 entry refers to it as "Manipuri" and it has a tag of "mni". Glottolog refers to the language as Manipuri with its Glottocode of "mani1292". It is the official name as per Manipur state, where it is predominantly spoken and where it is the only official language. The Eighth Schedule lists it as one of it's officially recognised regional languages. See here and here.
User:Ish ishwar prefers to cite work from 1997 and completely ignores WP:COMMONNAME. User:Ish ishwar also conveniently uses WP:ETHNICGROUP but fails to see WP:NCL#Languages and their speakers. This is about what is the common name of the language is in English, which is most definitely Manipuri. What the Meitei people refer to themselves is irrelevant here. (The article for German language isn't located at Deutsch language.) Filpro ( talk) 21:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)--Relisting. RGloucester — ☎ 17:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
I would also like to note that this user, while being an admin, has gone on a number of rampages to eliminate to the use "Manipuri" on Wikipedia and replace it with their own preferred version. Filpro ( talk) 21:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
This is a contested technical request ( permalink). Filpro ( talk) 21:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
In summary, my explicit equation is this:
Filpro's implicit equation seems to be something like this:
– ishwar (speak) 23:16, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Incidentally, my position on language and ethnic group names is largely aligned with most linguists whose general range of considerations is detailed in this work: https://www.academia.edu/29826079/Some_principles_for_language_names In my opinion, Wikipedia should largely adopt them. – ishwar (speak) 23:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Ish ishwar:, not all of these edits seem to be proper. Does the Indian Union recognise it as Manipuri or Meitei? Does the Sahitya Akademi give awards for Manipuri or Meitei? Retitling the page doesn't mean rewriting the world! -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 21:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
It has been recognised by the Indian Union and has been included in the list of scheduled languages (included in the 8th schedule by the 71st amendment of the constitution in 1992).was sourced, with the parenthetical remark "(as Manipuri)". Your deletion has made a misrepresentation of the source. I am reverting all your edits. Hopefully somebody with a better understanding of Wikipedia policies will redo it right. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 22:21, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
@ Haoreima: Hi, it is regarding this edit. Since it is not official, and only a proposal as of now, I believe it would be better to mention it elsewhere in the article body and not the lead. After it gets official, we can add it as a gist in the lead. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 11:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
In the infobox of the current version of the article [1] there's a rather long list of states where Meitei is spoken, including for example Arunachal and Mizoram. What has been the basis for inclusion in this list? The sources are just the census tables, and all they show is that they are some speakers in all of those states. But there are speakers in all states of India, and in some of the states not included there are more speakers than in some of the those that were included (see table below).
Meitei speakers by state (2011)
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Source: Office of the Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India. "C-16: Population by mother tongue, India - 2011". Retrieved 14 October 2022. |
I'll add a brief section to the article, which will list the regions with the highest populations (I'm planning to stop the enumeration just after Nagaland, because there's a natural break there). As for the infobox, all it really needs is a mention of the region where the overwhelming majority of the speakers are found (see Template:Infobox language for how that parameter is meant to be used). – Uanfala ( talk) 17:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello @ Uanfala:! Could you please help me in finding out standard sources about the fact to know whether Meitei language belongs to Kuki Chin Naga family or Kuki Chin Mizo family or independent from both and just belonging to central Tibeto Burman language family? It's highly disputed among the opinions of different scholars and I think we need to properly clarify the facts by citing every notable scholars' comments by creating a separate section within the article. I started thinking about it after a recent edit by someone in the article Burmese Indians. -- Haoreima ( talk) 14:18, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
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Suggested changes: add " Kuki-Chin (?)" in language info box above Meitei and below Central Tibeto-Burman
Sources that prove Meitei might be a Kuki-Chin language (no sources deny it):
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-- Haoreima ( talk) 16:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)The latest opinion is of Burling (2003, p. 187-188) though none has put Manipuri in Nage or Kuki group it will be better to keep Manipuri by itself.