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I didn't like the "more "performance-oriented"" implication, it does little to respect the Mazdaspeed3's performance.
I think that the class of Axela is "compact - near luxury car". Am i wrong? Kaygtr 16:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Beause the MS3 is viewed by Mazda as a separate model, it should be listed on it's own (
http://mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/display2010Mazda3.action?vehicleCode=MS3&directPath=ms3/home).
As it says in the history - replaced the 'Future models' section with information based on official pics/information.
Arguably, 'Future models' was purely speculative content, although it did seem that it was at least an informed prediction.
Someone needs to redirect Mazdaspeed 3.
The vehicle is called Mazda3 in all English-speaking markets and all markets outside Japan, and Axela is only used in Japan. The article needs to be redirect to Mazda3.-- Folksong 03:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. -- Stemonitis 11:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Mazda Axela →
Mazda3 — Axela is only used in Japan
DeLarge
23:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
A bit OT, but the opening section could be better written, without the repetitions and sounding like a reply to somebody asking why the article is called like that. There are much better examples of lead sections for articles like that around. Also, the Mazdaspeed3 needs to be reintegrated into the article, there is far too less content to mandate a separate article, it is another bad example of trying to add gravitas to a model version. The article also suffers from numerous flaws concerning structure, style, NPOV etc. and could use the attention of an experienced and professional editor... PrinceGloria 12:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
The following request to move a page has been added to Wikipedia:Requested moves as an uncontroversial move, but this has been contested by one or more people. Any discussion on the issue should continue here. If a full request is not lodged within five days of this request being contested, the request will be removed from WP:RM. — Stemonitis 14:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
As an owner of a 2006 Mazda 3 I have never even heard of the Axela until now... This is not an appropriate name for the car that is marketed and sold in North America as the Mazda3 (with no mention of the japanese name.) What is the main purpose of the name? Something with which to identify the car of course... so if most people have no clue what an Axela is then why on earth would we be forced to use this name on this site if it will not aid in identifying the car we are searching for? I understand you have some sort of loose convention that suggests the name addopted in the "home market" be used across the site to simplify things but should it not also consider the greater good? I.E., how many people will recognize one name versus the other? An interesting point to note is that all your external links on this page direct you to sites that refer to this car as the Mazda3 (again no mention at all of the Axela) and in fact when looking at the page the only mention I see are the ones you are insisting on keeping... I fail to grasp the logic of this decision... Is not the point of this whole website the ability to update as needed witout arbitrary rules that govern the site (similar to what an actual encyclopedia would enforce...)??? 198.103.53.5 14:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and renamed. I realize not everyone agrees, but this is in line with our general standard of using the name by which something is most commonly known. Friday (talk) 14:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I notice this was moved back with no discussion. What's the deal? Friday (talk) 14:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I have yet to hear an argument that makes sense that would keep this from being called Mazda3... Who cares if the Opel is sold by 5 different car manufacturers and you want to use the home market as the title to avoid having 5 of the same article all under different names (or subjectively choosing one of the 5 manufacturers to title the page.) Here we are actually talking about the name of a car, and which is the more commonly used name. Not which is more popular, but which one speaks to more people. A Mazda in Japan is still a Mazda in the US or Canada... But a Mazda Axela is nothing in the US or Canada... Only the most enthusiastic Mazda owners are even aware of this title, a title I was ignorant too until finding this site. If the purpose, as you mention above, is to educate people then having a reference within the Mazda3 article to the Axela would do the trick in my mind, but what is the rational for doing it the other way around?? Also - before you come preaching a standard I would suggest you find the link... If even you cannot find the link how would you expect the rest of us to find it?? I think the solution is simple... In this case... Mazda3 is the name all markets use besides 1, be it the home market or not, and is also the name used in all english speaking markets (and this is the english Wikki site...) 198.103.53.5 18:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I am proposiing the Mazdaspeed3 section be reduced to just one or two sentences. Just a terse description of the MS3 and then just the link to the actual MS3 page. Ray ( talk)
I added "wagon" to the body style. This has come up over at Mazdaspeed3 also (which is available only in the wagon version, not the sedan.) In the sources I've seen, they still widely use the term station wagon to describe this, despite the automaker's own marketing departments shying away from this term in recent years. I think we should use standard terminology, not marketing-speak. Anyway, my edit was reverted without comment, so I'll ask here: should we say this car is available as a wagon, or not? Calling it a hatchback is also correct, but is less specific. Friday (talk) 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
5-door Mazda3/Axela is a hatchback. Naming it a "hatchback wagon" is an [W:OR|original research], as established classification does not include such body style (this is propably your own inventment) and thus should be removed. Netrat ( talk) 12:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Does the 2008 changes section belong in this article. The changes are about the trim levels offered in Australia. IS this article just supposed to cover the US & Canadian model or is it supposed to cover all the English language market models? -- Ray ( talk) 13:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
OK thne I will go ahead and get ride of that section. -- Ray ( talk) 10:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the major design flaw in the Mazda 3 that allows a person to unlock the door without setting off the alarm by only hitting a certain spot with enough force? DruidODurham ( talk) 21:56, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved by Tiptoety. Aubergine ( talk) 01:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Mazda Axela → Mazda3 — Per WP:COMMONNAME. The car is available worldwide and well-known as "Mazda3", according to the article, the current name "Mazda Axela" was only used in Japan. Would be happy with "Mazda 3" if that fits Wikipedia naming conventions better. Aubergine ( talk) 03:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I know the "Google test" isn't great, but this is overwhelming. Also Wikipedia article traffic statistics in June (by redirect)
Derivatives of "Mazda3" are still higher despite the page title. Aubergine ( talk) 20:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
See Talk:Mazda Atenza#Requested move for a similar requested move. Aubergine ( talk) 01:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Someone put merge templates on, but I don't see much discussion here. I think it probably makes sense to keep them separate, since the cars are treated as separate models by the automotive press. Articles covering the speed3 are always concerned with performance, and they compare it to other sport compacts and budget performance cars. IMO it makes sense to devote a lot of mazdaspeed 3 to performance related features, while such specific coverage makes less sense here. Friday (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I've been following the Mazda 3 rather closely for a year and a half now, and I was a bit surprised to see the first generation Mazda3 still headlining the top of the Wiki site. I would have expected the 2010 to start headlining the page. The 2010 Mazda3 started showing up around dealer lots as early as late February 2009, though most dealers didn't receive them until March and April. As for the present, people on Mazda3 forums have commented that most dealers have exhausted their supply of 2008 and 2009 Mazda3's in lieu of 2010's (noting the posts at http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef23a67.ef23a61/0 , http://mazda3revolution.com/forums , http://www.mazda3forums.com , http://www.mazdas247.com ). In terms of Mazda's manufacturing and marketing strategy, the 2010 Mazda3 is what is happening today, and the previous generation is "in the past," so to speak.
So, should the top of the page be reworked a little to orient itself around the 2010 model year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garfield3d ( talk • contribs) 00:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Wheelbase increased in the latest model of the Mazda 3 from 2640 to 2700mm. source: http://www.mazda.co.uk/cars/mazda3-hatchback/specs-and-prices/ Old value is used in the specs in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.119.98.197 ( talk) 20:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Only currently listed curb weight is for latest gen mazda3. What about the rest? All other dimensions like wheelbase are listed for each gen. Dazalc ( talk) 00:23, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Looking at vehicle pages, I see that year ranges in section headers for each vehicle generation are inconsistent between pages. The year ranges indicate either the model year range or the production year range. For example, "Second generation (BL; 2008-2013)" on this page indicates the production years for the Mazda3, for model years 2010-2013. Ford Mustang on the other hand lists year ranges in generation section headers which indicate the model year range for each generation, i.e. "Fifth generation (2005–2014)" (production years for this Mustang generation are 2004-2014). I think listing model years in generation section headers makes far more sense than production years. Production years is very confusing from a research point of view as it's not the primary criteria for determining vehicle generation. Model year range is the primary criteria. Is there an auto-specific style guideline for this or can I just go ahead & change it? Jmathis555 ( talk) 21:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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I didn't like the "more "performance-oriented"" implication, it does little to respect the Mazdaspeed3's performance.
I think that the class of Axela is "compact - near luxury car". Am i wrong? Kaygtr 16:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Beause the MS3 is viewed by Mazda as a separate model, it should be listed on it's own (
http://mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/display2010Mazda3.action?vehicleCode=MS3&directPath=ms3/home).
As it says in the history - replaced the 'Future models' section with information based on official pics/information.
Arguably, 'Future models' was purely speculative content, although it did seem that it was at least an informed prediction.
Someone needs to redirect Mazdaspeed 3.
The vehicle is called Mazda3 in all English-speaking markets and all markets outside Japan, and Axela is only used in Japan. The article needs to be redirect to Mazda3.-- Folksong 03:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. -- Stemonitis 11:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Mazda Axela →
Mazda3 — Axela is only used in Japan
DeLarge
23:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
A bit OT, but the opening section could be better written, without the repetitions and sounding like a reply to somebody asking why the article is called like that. There are much better examples of lead sections for articles like that around. Also, the Mazdaspeed3 needs to be reintegrated into the article, there is far too less content to mandate a separate article, it is another bad example of trying to add gravitas to a model version. The article also suffers from numerous flaws concerning structure, style, NPOV etc. and could use the attention of an experienced and professional editor... PrinceGloria 12:44, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
The following request to move a page has been added to Wikipedia:Requested moves as an uncontroversial move, but this has been contested by one or more people. Any discussion on the issue should continue here. If a full request is not lodged within five days of this request being contested, the request will be removed from WP:RM. — Stemonitis 14:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
As an owner of a 2006 Mazda 3 I have never even heard of the Axela until now... This is not an appropriate name for the car that is marketed and sold in North America as the Mazda3 (with no mention of the japanese name.) What is the main purpose of the name? Something with which to identify the car of course... so if most people have no clue what an Axela is then why on earth would we be forced to use this name on this site if it will not aid in identifying the car we are searching for? I understand you have some sort of loose convention that suggests the name addopted in the "home market" be used across the site to simplify things but should it not also consider the greater good? I.E., how many people will recognize one name versus the other? An interesting point to note is that all your external links on this page direct you to sites that refer to this car as the Mazda3 (again no mention at all of the Axela) and in fact when looking at the page the only mention I see are the ones you are insisting on keeping... I fail to grasp the logic of this decision... Is not the point of this whole website the ability to update as needed witout arbitrary rules that govern the site (similar to what an actual encyclopedia would enforce...)??? 198.103.53.5 14:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and renamed. I realize not everyone agrees, but this is in line with our general standard of using the name by which something is most commonly known. Friday (talk) 14:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I notice this was moved back with no discussion. What's the deal? Friday (talk) 14:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I have yet to hear an argument that makes sense that would keep this from being called Mazda3... Who cares if the Opel is sold by 5 different car manufacturers and you want to use the home market as the title to avoid having 5 of the same article all under different names (or subjectively choosing one of the 5 manufacturers to title the page.) Here we are actually talking about the name of a car, and which is the more commonly used name. Not which is more popular, but which one speaks to more people. A Mazda in Japan is still a Mazda in the US or Canada... But a Mazda Axela is nothing in the US or Canada... Only the most enthusiastic Mazda owners are even aware of this title, a title I was ignorant too until finding this site. If the purpose, as you mention above, is to educate people then having a reference within the Mazda3 article to the Axela would do the trick in my mind, but what is the rational for doing it the other way around?? Also - before you come preaching a standard I would suggest you find the link... If even you cannot find the link how would you expect the rest of us to find it?? I think the solution is simple... In this case... Mazda3 is the name all markets use besides 1, be it the home market or not, and is also the name used in all english speaking markets (and this is the english Wikki site...) 198.103.53.5 18:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I am proposiing the Mazdaspeed3 section be reduced to just one or two sentences. Just a terse description of the MS3 and then just the link to the actual MS3 page. Ray ( talk)
I added "wagon" to the body style. This has come up over at Mazdaspeed3 also (which is available only in the wagon version, not the sedan.) In the sources I've seen, they still widely use the term station wagon to describe this, despite the automaker's own marketing departments shying away from this term in recent years. I think we should use standard terminology, not marketing-speak. Anyway, my edit was reverted without comment, so I'll ask here: should we say this car is available as a wagon, or not? Calling it a hatchback is also correct, but is less specific. Friday (talk) 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
5-door Mazda3/Axela is a hatchback. Naming it a "hatchback wagon" is an [W:OR|original research], as established classification does not include such body style (this is propably your own inventment) and thus should be removed. Netrat ( talk) 12:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Does the 2008 changes section belong in this article. The changes are about the trim levels offered in Australia. IS this article just supposed to cover the US & Canadian model or is it supposed to cover all the English language market models? -- Ray ( talk) 13:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
OK thne I will go ahead and get ride of that section. -- Ray ( talk) 10:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the major design flaw in the Mazda 3 that allows a person to unlock the door without setting off the alarm by only hitting a certain spot with enough force? DruidODurham ( talk) 21:56, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved by Tiptoety. Aubergine ( talk) 01:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Mazda Axela → Mazda3 — Per WP:COMMONNAME. The car is available worldwide and well-known as "Mazda3", according to the article, the current name "Mazda Axela" was only used in Japan. Would be happy with "Mazda 3" if that fits Wikipedia naming conventions better. Aubergine ( talk) 03:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I know the "Google test" isn't great, but this is overwhelming. Also Wikipedia article traffic statistics in June (by redirect)
Derivatives of "Mazda3" are still higher despite the page title. Aubergine ( talk) 20:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
See Talk:Mazda Atenza#Requested move for a similar requested move. Aubergine ( talk) 01:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Someone put merge templates on, but I don't see much discussion here. I think it probably makes sense to keep them separate, since the cars are treated as separate models by the automotive press. Articles covering the speed3 are always concerned with performance, and they compare it to other sport compacts and budget performance cars. IMO it makes sense to devote a lot of mazdaspeed 3 to performance related features, while such specific coverage makes less sense here. Friday (talk) 19:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I've been following the Mazda 3 rather closely for a year and a half now, and I was a bit surprised to see the first generation Mazda3 still headlining the top of the Wiki site. I would have expected the 2010 to start headlining the page. The 2010 Mazda3 started showing up around dealer lots as early as late February 2009, though most dealers didn't receive them until March and April. As for the present, people on Mazda3 forums have commented that most dealers have exhausted their supply of 2008 and 2009 Mazda3's in lieu of 2010's (noting the posts at http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef23a67.ef23a61/0 , http://mazda3revolution.com/forums , http://www.mazda3forums.com , http://www.mazdas247.com ). In terms of Mazda's manufacturing and marketing strategy, the 2010 Mazda3 is what is happening today, and the previous generation is "in the past," so to speak.
So, should the top of the page be reworked a little to orient itself around the 2010 model year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garfield3d ( talk • contribs) 00:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Wheelbase increased in the latest model of the Mazda 3 from 2640 to 2700mm. source: http://www.mazda.co.uk/cars/mazda3-hatchback/specs-and-prices/ Old value is used in the specs in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.119.98.197 ( talk) 20:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Only currently listed curb weight is for latest gen mazda3. What about the rest? All other dimensions like wheelbase are listed for each gen. Dazalc ( talk) 00:23, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Looking at vehicle pages, I see that year ranges in section headers for each vehicle generation are inconsistent between pages. The year ranges indicate either the model year range or the production year range. For example, "Second generation (BL; 2008-2013)" on this page indicates the production years for the Mazda3, for model years 2010-2013. Ford Mustang on the other hand lists year ranges in generation section headers which indicate the model year range for each generation, i.e. "Fifth generation (2005–2014)" (production years for this Mustang generation are 2004-2014). I think listing model years in generation section headers makes far more sense than production years. Production years is very confusing from a research point of view as it's not the primary criteria for determining vehicle generation. Model year range is the primary criteria. Is there an auto-specific style guideline for this or can I just go ahead & change it? Jmathis555 ( talk) 21:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
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