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There is some rather remarkable history here to have no attribution of sources. -- Jmabel 22:35, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
The OED reference helps a lot. Up till that addition, there was no clue where someone would go to verify this. -- Jmabel 16:04, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)
I liked a lot of the revisions to the English. Some questions:
I've been making mayo in various ways about once a month for 35 years now, so that's about 400 times that I've made the stuff. I've done it by hand with a whisk, I've done it in a blender, I've done it in various food processors, I've done it with whole eggs, I've done it with egg yolks only, I've done it with a mixture of the two, I've done it with egg whites only, I've done it with olive oil only, I've done it with various mixes of oils, and I've done it with various seasonings. I've also studied innumerable recipes about different ways of making it and read about the scientific basis of making it. So I feel I'm qualified to write a little about "homemade mayonnaise" at the very least.
According to the company's FAQ, they do not have separate recipes for Best Foods and Hellmans. [1] Can whoever claimed that they're separate give some evidence to back it up? Thanks. — mjb 08:49, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure how corporate products are relevant at all except perhaps one brief reference to the first commercial introduction of mayonnaise. — de Vogon 14:07, 13 march 2006 (CET)
Recent anonymous edits from 193.79.142.194, without previous edits:
-- Wetman 11:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Another version of the name is that it cames from Mahon (the capital of Menorca, Baleares Islands, Spain). In this version the name is mahonesa, that was corrupted in French to mayonaise.
Tomyumgoong ( talk · contribs) has recently been policing the article, removing whatever he disagrees with. That's not wrong in itself, but he needs to be more careful to check his facts. Aside from his removal of any mention of taratr sauce (on the grounds that the recipe wan't quite right) and his declaration that Belgium isn't in northern Europe(!), he's deleted mention of hard-boiled eggs from the Tartar sauce entry with the edit summary: "the dictionary, my cookbook, google and foodtv.com disagree. If you'd like to document your regional variant, please do so on the tartar sauce page". The very first Web-site that Googling gave me included hard-boiled eggs in its main recipe for tartar sauce: [2]. It might not be an ingredient in all recipes, but simply deleting any mention of it was uncalled for. Tomyumgoong, please calm down and slow down. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 08:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
A friend and I have been having this debate for a while now. She claims that you don't have to refrigerate mayonnaise, even after opening it! I heartily protested, but she went on to explain. She claims that the trick is that if you don't refrigerate the mayonnaise in the first place, then you don't have to refrigerate it ever, but once refrigerated you must always keep it refrigerated. She further claims that her whole family practices this rule regularly, and that it is a "well-known fact in the South." They apparently keep one jar of mayo in the fridge, and another small one which they use specifically for picnics and such.
This smacks to me of Urban Legend! However, though mayo does contain eggs, they are usually pasteurized and the high acidity is also less conducive to spoilage. I did some looking online to see if I could find any references to such a "trick" or any debunking of what I thought might be a common urban legend in the South. I did find a few people claiming that you can get away with not refrigerating commercial mayonnaise if you are very careful to not cross contaminate it (only use very clean utensils, never "double-dip" a utensil, and only open the jar for short periods of time). However, I found no reference at all to this so-called trick. I do know that there are a lot of mayos on the market that aren't "real" mayonnaise, and therefore are probably shelf-stable, but she insists this works with Hellmann’s!
Anyone else heard about this? Any moms from the South? Since I can't seem to spot any direct references to this specific principle, it must either be a very esoteric "secret" of Southern culinary wisdom, or be piece of misinformation which is specific to her locality (New Orleans) or perhaps even just her family/friends! lol. If anyone knows more about this or feels like going into further research (which I do not) please share what you know. Thelastemperor 21:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Chemistry of mayonnaise is beautifully explained on the How Stuff Works website. It is so detailed and well-presented, someone braver than me should add a strong link to it, maybe under the heading Refrigeration/Safety. Hayford Peirce is right, generally, and the HowStuffWorks article explains how altering ingredients alters the chemistry. Msk49 02:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I question the need for refrigeration as well. My teenage son had been using a jar of mayo out of the cupboard for several months without my knowing it. It had never been refridgerated and he never got sick. I really wonder about this because the jars are not sealed, vacume packed as far as I know and they sit on the shelf at the store for who knows how long.
Mayo should always be cooled stored. If not for the micro stability then for the chemical stability. It will reduce the rate of which rancid off notes are formed. Mayo is rather micro stable but still some lacto bacillus might be able to grow in it. Cooling will slow them down. Commercial produced mayo is produced in clean air environments and very clean filling. Therefore an unopened pot has hardly any change of spoilage. As soon as you open the jar micro organisms can enter and spoil the product. Cooling will greatly prevent it. But yes, in most cases this will not happen. But you better make sure.
The new para on this topic is silly and typo-ridden; I'd like to see it deleted rather than corrected. Anybody stupid enough to use tuna packed in water as opposed to oil deserves to have white stuff running off his/her elbows. El Ingles 14:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I fixed some kids edit saying Mayo could be made with semen, and it contained Sperm, under composition. However I never say the real content, so it's likely off. If any one wants to fix it, that would be great. Can't promise the kid won't be back though. Tsukaggin 19:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I changed Italy with Tuscany in the paragraph about Caterina de'Medici. In northern Italy (with the notable exception of Liguria and southern Piedmont) olive oil was virtually unknown until the 20th century, but in Tuscany (and Caterina was born in Florence) was widespread.
Bayonne, Bayonnaise, Cajun, cajunnaise, Saone, saonnaise, Guyenne, guyennaise, oy vey, oyveyonnaise....
I removed this paragraph from the etymology section:
It should be noted that the duc de Mayenne's close ally at the head of the Catholic party in France during the Wars of Religion, was the Queen Mother, Catherine de' Medici, who is generally credited with introducing into Parisian cooking olive oil, which was as traditional in the queen's native Tuscany as butter and lard were in the Ile-de-France. This suggestion, it appears, was first made by culinary writer Pierre Lacam.
I can't find a soupçon of relevance in this paragraph to the sauce, its characteristics, its history, or the etymology of its name. I'm also not clear what suggestion Pierre Lacam made. A citation would be helpful. (Anonymous)
i noticed that there isn't any mention of mayo being used on hamburgers
in canada and i'm sure many parts of the US its pretty common for mayo to be used on a hamburger, sometimes even replacing other things such as ketchup, the Wendy's Jr Bacon Cheese Burger is a perfect example consisting of a bun, a hamburger patty, tomato, lettuce, and mayo
anyway was just wondering if someone might want to add hamburgers to the article, i'd do it myself but i dont really know much about editing wiki so would hate to screw up the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.148.8 ( talk) 11:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
User:Bob98133 added a paragraph about EDTA in commercial mayonnaise diff. He copied the second sentence exactly from EDTA#Toxicity. The first sentence's "manufacturers claim" is misleading as the FDA has oversight:
What is real mayonnaise? Mayonnaise, as defined by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's Standard of Identity, must contain at least 65% oil by weight, vinegar, and egg or egg yolks. It may contain spices and natural seasonings except turmeric and saffron, whose yellow color might suggest added egg yolk. Preservatives such as calcium disodium EDTA are acceptable and approved for use in mayonnaise. ( [3], purportedly from the Best Foods web site)
2 sentences are WP:UNDUE if due weight is 1 or 0. Copying negative information on EDTA to Mayonnaise is WP:COATRACK.
Special:LinkSearch returns 2 results for the toxicity citation, EDTA and Mayonnaise.
Special:WhatLinksHere/EDTA, first 100 articles, picking those related to food: Food preservation, 7 Up, Mayonnaise, Fresca, Pepsi Blue, I Can't Believe It's Not Butter. Except for Mayonnaise, the articles have only passing mention of EDTA, usually in ingredients lists.
160.83.73.25 ( talk) 17:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I know in the US and elsewhere, there are accepted "definitions" of what is in a food. For example, mayonaise may be required to contain eggs. However, that definition isn't used in the lead to this article, just that mayonaise is "primarily made" with eggs. While vegan mayonaise is sold as a mayonaise substitute, I wonder why it isn't also just considered mayonaise. A similar situation arose in the US about milk where soy milk was not allowed to be called milk. The same still applies to cheese - which must be made with milk - so soy products take on similar sounding names, but Wiki readily refers to these as cheese, not cheese substitutes. Bob98133 ( talk) 14:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
has anyone heard of making sweet mayo by adding vinegar, salt and pepper to sweetened condensed milk? it's pretty good. -- smadge1 ( talk) 06:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
It is now illegal (in the UK at least) to make mayonnaise in a professional capacity using fresh eggs. If you're making mayonnaise - the eggs must be pasteurised. Is this true of other countries? And should it be mentioned somewhere?-- Tuzapicabit ( talk) 22:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't doubt you but if you want to incorporate this into the article you will need a citation. Zarcadia ( talk) 18:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Entry needs some information about how Mayonnnaise came to be associated with blandness, white bread, and caucasians. What cultures avoid mayo entirely? -- 24.249.108.133 18:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC) Racist cultures. Get a grip, racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.106.71 ( talk) 23:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
As far as I am aware, Kraft "Real Mayonnaise" is among the leading mayonnaise products in the United States, or at least where I have been; shouldn't this be mentioned at least once in the article, or even at least the fact that Kraft makes it? There are parts about Hellmann's and others I've never heard of, I just thought maybe if the article is going to feature these brand names, it might be a bit broader, and feature all or major producers, at least in the US. I was also hoping the section on Europe might be a bit larger, such as facts of distribution and brands as opposed to those in the US.
Thanks!~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.121.79.76 ( talk) 03:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
At the cafeteria where I work we get in tubs of mayonnaise marked "Extra heavy duty mayonnaise". It would be interesting to have a section that discusses what that means, if it has any standard meaning (as opposed to just commercial puffery), and if so, what other levels of "duty" there are. SnappingTurtle ( talk) 02:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
It is thicker (less water) usually only sold by foodservices. -- Weetoddid ( talk) 20:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
While this may not be veracious, as an element of popular folklore it deserves mention, by eliminating reference to him you take it out of popular folklore/urban legend you take it out of that range and put it into a true claim to being descendent of the originator of mayonnaise. Now I suppose you could place it in a popular folklore section, but by leaving it as an assertion of Ed McMahon, it becomes colorful anecdotal material regarding the origins of mayonnaise rather than a possibly false origin statement with no qualifying statement of origin of the claim. Colorful anecdote vs. gospel truth... which would have no bearing on the article except it was stated on national television on one of the most watched shows in the nation at the time, the statement being made by Ed McMahon provides for a richer article and serves to dispel veracity. 71.102.30.217 ( talk) 20:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Mayonnaise is an emulsion of primarily oil and AIR - jamusdouglus@yahoo.com - perhaps someone more wiki competent than i would like to do the editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.227.255 ( talk) 00:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
How are most comercial mayonaises white when egg yolks are yellow? Is homemade mayonaise yellow or white?
I wrote a short description of how vegan mayonnaise can be made at home. It most likely has a lot of grammar errors... -- Aamunkoi ( talk) 18:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Soo, even though my edit was deleted, I still find it useful to notify that vegan mayo can be made at home, since most people seem to think that it's impossible without eggs. Now the chapter part gives the impression that only way to enjoy vegan mayo is by buying commercial product. -- Aamunkoi ( talk) 06:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Someone just deleted this section but I'm sure it will be back. When it does how about calling it a mayonnaise substitute as vegan mayonnaise is impossible. -- Weetoddid ( talk) 07:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
My mother has for a long time used mayo as a hair conditioner, and this article lacks any mention of such an application for mayo. Just thoght i would mention it
I was actually thinking about using mayonnaise as a conditioner. Does it really work?
yes, especially after a few treatments.
well, Lush has a hair mask which is made from egg yolks, olive oil and vinegar, and those are basic ingredients for mayo. So it's not a crazy idea, after all UseYourDelusion ( talk) 17:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
From the introduction to the article (as of 9th December 2009): "...whereas in Spain (and Minorca) it is made using the same ingredients..." That looks wrong, since Minorca is a part of Spain. It's like saying "in the USA (and Texas)", or "in France (and Provence)": it makes no sense to have the part in parentheses, since the whole already includes the part. i.e, "in the USA" includes "in Texas", and "in France" includes "in Provence" -- just as "in Spain" includes "in Minorca".
Could this be the work of some Menorcan editor, (over-)eager to emphasise the island's claim to be the origin of this sauce? Understandable (and looks quite plausible to me), but I'm bound to argue against it anyway: Understandable, but ungrammatical.-- CRConrad ( talk) 10:30, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Sayeth the article (in the "Composition" section):
What does this mean? Cleaning the shells before cracking them would be a waste of time wouldn't it? But then how does one go about cleaning an egg yolk (I'm guessing that using soap and a scrubbing brush would give indifferent results)?. -- Camembert
According to my food studys teacher: "Its because the insides of the egg will probably touch the shell before it enters the bowl - if the shell is dirty then the contents of the egg could pick up germs from it" =)
Washing them would not remove bacteria, only surface debris. Eggs are very porous and whatever small particles are on the outside, they are likely on the inside, too. -- Sorchah 22:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Eggs come from the single eliminatory orifice of a bird. It is the equivalent of a urethra, a vagina, and an anus. The word cloaca is used for this orifice, and the word cloaca comes from the Latin to mean sewer.
While there is a shell composed in large part of calcium, there is also a membrane that encloses the ovum, ie the egg. While some material may get through the shell, it is another thing for it to get through the membrane. If it gets through the membrane is is in contact with the living mechanisms of the ovum, including its immune system.
garrison ( talk) 07:44, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I have twice reverted the insertion of the French pronunciation from the lede. Not only does it make the text incorrect "(French pronunciation: /majɔnɛz/[1], sometimes abbreviated to mayo)" - this means that the French abbreviate mayonnaise as mayo? I don't think so. Why is this editor adding only the French pronunciation? This is the English version of wiki. If there is a guide to pronunciation it should be for the English pronunciation. The article says that the French popularized mayonnaise - do they get their pronunciation included for popularization? There is no reason for this to be included. If it is included, than the pronunciation for every language where mayonnaise is used should be included. PS, saying to look something up in the dictionary is not a reference. Please see wiki guide to referencing material. Bob98133 ( talk) 12:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
I was searching for "Vegenaise" and was redirected to "mayonnaise". However, there is not a single paragraph about Vegenaise inside the mayonnaise article. This is an error ans should not happen this way.
"Vegenaise" is an egg free mayonnaise alternative. Please add the missing paragraph if possible or start a full Vegenaise article. This is like searching for "soy milk" and being redirected to "(cow) milk" instead, and without any soy milk reference in it.
I cannot eat any eggs due to a serious health condition, and I was grateful for discovering that there are indeed good and high quality alternatives. People who cannot or choose not to eat eggs should at least get a paragraph about "Vegenaise" or "vegan mayonnaise" or "egg free mayonnaise" inside this article. Otherwise Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia, but an advertising campaign for certain lobbyists. I hope this ain't happening.
Thank you ^^ Veggieburgerfan ( talk) 22:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Just added a small paragraph at the end of article. Veggieburgerfan ( talk) 23:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The introduction states "Mayonnaise (mayo) is an emulsion of oil, vinegar and lemon juice, often with herbs and spices". I know some mayo substitutes don't have eggs but I think eggs should be included. Real mayo always has eggs in it. Eggs are certainly more common in mayo than herbs and spices. Weetoddid ( talk) 20:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
My theory is that it is an emulsion consisting of air in/and oil. The egg(s) is primarily an emulgent/surfactant ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant.) My evidence: 1 egg will allow at least 750mL of oil to be converted to mayo. The oil ceases to be transparent (white/yellow explained in "Emulsion" - see link) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulsion). The resulting emulsion does not taste like oil (probably due to oxidation/"rancidation" of the small amount oil at the air/oil interface which is what one's taste buds meet)
The above was determined by personal experience. This theory does explain many of its properties. If anyone can determine the density of the food oil before conversion and then discovers that the resultant mayo is less dense (allowing for the egg's contribution)then this would almost certainly prove my theory! A view through a microscope would also back it. (providing magnification were sufficient - although the air "bubbles" may be sub-microscopic!)
If anyone does the above experiments or knows if the theory is correct, please inform me. Ecstatist ( talk) 01:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC) ecstatist
I checked! Density mayo = 910 kg/cubic meter http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_density_of_mayonnaise
Density sunflower oil = 917 kg/cubic meter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_oil
As density of egg or food vinegar or water is greater than 910kg/cubic meter, the loss of density must be due to the inclusion of air. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecstatist ( talk • contribs) 01:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5976587.html
Read PDF 5976587 whose link can be found on the above page
Cooking and food "processing" is a small subset of chemistry! although emulsions tend to be more physics than chemistry. Ecstatist ( talk) 02:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)ecstatist
There are two recipes, a 'recipe' and a 'traditional recipe'. They are basically identical.
Both recipes contain, buried in them, an assortment of flavourings which are, admittedly, traditional variations of mayonnaise, but would perhaps be better off separated out. Basically, it's mayo when it's got mustard in it, but it's also mayo when it hasn't, as I read this article (I fall firmly in the 'add mustard' camp, but I don't hold my mayo up as the Platonic ideal).
The recipe has no citations at all. Fine, we all know how to make mayo, but still. I could find hundreds on the web, but what's considered a good authority when chefs like to put their mark on simple recipes?
The means of making it has slight and pointless variations too - yes, you could make it with an electric beater or food processor but you might be better off just ignoring that and referring to it as 'is whisked'... Especially when you say it can be made with an electric beater (para 1 line 1) and then neglect to mention how.
Finally, a mortar and pestle is a tool used for making mayonnaise. Are you suggesting I grind the ingredients together? Or are you suggesting that, should I wish to add a spice, I might want to grind it, and are you then suggesting that there is an essential spice that must be added?
Apologies for the challenging tone - I don't know the best way to change the article in light of the questions, but I thought the input might be useful to someone else editing it.-- 64.103.25.233 ( talk) 18:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
which emusifier would be best suited to replace eggs?
would welcome suggestions. regards ashok
None! Egg yolk is unique in its emulsifying properties. PGA might help, milk proteins and vegetable proteins also can do the job. But you'll never get the same texture and emulsion stability as with yolk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.32.215.11 ( talk) 11:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
"cocktails" is used in a perogative way; "good quality" is used incorrectly; "not available to the average cook" is another howler. The 'everyone makes their own at home' doesn't jibe with me; it's certainly not apart of popular mainstream as witnessed on TV or literature. 203.14.156.193 ( talk) 12:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
I dispute the assertion in the introductory paragraph that vinegar and lemon juice help the emulsion. On the contrary, these acids thin the emulsion down, and need to be added very judiciously. I'm not a primary editor of this article so I won't change it. Perhaps somebody more authoritative might think about this. El Ingles 23:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I would expect that in limited quantities they would in fact help the emulsion, as both acetic acid and citric acid are organic acids containing both polar areas and nonpolar areas, which ought to help stabilize the oil-water interface. Now whether they would actually help the emulsion when used in the quantities that they traditionally are for flavoring mayonnaise, well, that's a different story. I suppose if I have some time I'll try to imagine an experiment and try it out in the kitchen. D.L. 21:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Acetic acid is NOT amphiphilic, and therefore does not act as a stabiliser. Whilst acetic acid does have a polar carboxyl group, the alkyl (water repelling) part of the molecule is only 1 carbon atom long! That is not sufficient to have any sort of amphiphilic property - if it did, you would be able to squirt vinegar into your washing up bowl and use that instead of Fairy Liquid! Similarly, citric acid would not have amphiphilic properties because it has no alkyl "tail" at all, being a tricarboxylic acid. They are used simply for flavouring purposes. SM (M.Sc Colloid & Surface Chemistry, University of Bristol 1989) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.198.33.252 ( talk) 13:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous user added a section called "The Anti-Mayo Movement". It ought to be cleaned up a bit, and verified. Josh Thompson 05:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
In American culture, mayo is often lumped in with white bread as quintessentially low-brow (and decidedly non-Jewish) food staples. There was even that scene in Hannah and Her Sisters wherein the protagonist Mickey, intent on converting to Catholicism, brings home a crucifix, a loaf of Wonder Bread, and a jar of Hellman's mayonnaise. Someone should weave these pop-cultural aspects into the mayo article (and if no one does, I will). bigfun 17:51, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
"low-brow (and decidedly non-Jewish)"
Oh, the irony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.95.98 ( talk) 22:17, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
WTF mayo is CATALAN! not French!
In American culture, Mayonnaise is the subject matter of several hate/fear mongering groups that feel the condiment is so offensive, it should be banned. They organize into groups on social networking sites like "Say No 2 Mayo," an MSN group that strongly believes Mayonnaise was invented by the French to cover up the flavor of spoiled flesh, stale vegetables, and rotten fish. The blog, holdthatmayo.com, started my leading anti-mayo activist, Craig Horwitz, gained much attention in 2007, by galvanizing the mayo-haters around the internet with radical articles and apparel, supporting the cause. However, the Founding Father of the anti-mayo movement would be Charles Memminger, an award winning columnist from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. He is the leader of the worldwide "I Hate Mayo club",which is offline and the first ever organized movement againt the condiment on record. —Preceding
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The article says that people in North Europe ( Netherlands, Belgium, Germany etc.) use mayonnaise on French fries. The well known opening dialogue in the movie Pulp Fiction corroborates this. However, (at least in the Netherlands) special 'frites sauce' is used more often than mayonnaise. Mayonnaise is about 70-80% fat whereas 'frites sauce' (or 'pommes sauce') is about 20% fat. The taste is very similar between these products.
Let them use mayonnaise on fries. They probably do this on their respective Wikis about ketchup or vinegar. -- Alien joe ( talk) 21:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
In Europe Mayonnaise is commonly used on chips (fries), I don't know what this 'frites sauce' is but the use of Mayonnaise is commonplace. Zarcadia ( talk) 17:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
It's true. In the Netherlands they use fritessauce on their fries. It's basically a cheap mayonnaise substitute. it's now so widespread in the Netherlands that when you ask for mayonnaise you'll always get fritessauce. It's a shame! Fritessauce has typical 25% of oil. The water is typical bound by modified starch and gums. The taste is very sweet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.32.215.11 ( talk) 11:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Not true for Denmark where the condiment for french fries (known as pommel frites) is ketchup and/or remoulade — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.83.4.197 ( talk) 23:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Nobody seems to have referred to problems with mayonnaise-making. A successful mayo is, as has been said, an emulsion of oil in water. When it goes syrupy, it is that it has become an emulsion of water in oil. To recover, start a fresh batch and incorporate the gone-wrong one into it drip-by-drip. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.220.46.99 ( talk) 13:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Quote: "Apart from salads, it is popular with dishes such as okonomiyaki, takoyaki and yakisoba and may also accompany katsu and karaage." Hypertexting does not undo jargon nor the need for clear writing. In general hypertexting interrupts the flow, is often unreasonably time consuming, and often points to more lazy hypertexting,...into infinitude.
This is clear writing with hypertexting: quote: "In the Tōkai region, it is a frequent condiment on hiyashi chūka (cold noodle salad)."
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A friend of mine said certain mayonnaise containers have "percussion qualities" due to the combination of the container material and the texture of mayonnaise. Is mayonnaise an instrument? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.91.142 ( talk) 02:14, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I had to rollback good faith edits by User:Cegpep from late December. Problems with the edits included:
I truly feel that the pro-Menorca camp is adequately represented already in the article, and that these new edits and sources did not enhance it. However, if there is a novel or unique point to be drawn out of them that I am overlooking, I would be happy to discuss it further. (I will admit my comprehension of the cited sources was limited, since they appear to be written in Catalan, which I do not speak.)
-- Rnickel ( talk) 21:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
In the U.S., you can't make mayonnaise with olive oil and label it simply "mayonnaise." This is due to the regulations. 21CFR169.140 http://www.grokfood.com/regulations/169.140.htm So the commercial preparations with olive oil are generally listed as "mayonnaise dressing" and use the term "with olive oil." Apparently, olive oil is not a vegetable oil and therefore doesn't fit the Code of Federal Regulations' definition. This would be an interesting addition to the article. Essentially all commercial mayonnaise uses soybean oil. I like to saw logs! ( talk) 08:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
How to store it?
How long does it keep for?
Health dangers if stored incorectly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.218.211.54 ( talk) 19:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
- Recommended storage temperature range
- Storage life when refrigerated
- Freezing causing separation (de-emulsification) of components in mayonnaise
- Useful life when left at room temperature
- Chemical composition (acidity) being a factor in inhibiting bacterial growth
- Mayonnaise being falsely implicated in food poisoning when contamination came from other sources
I wonder if whoever wrote all the business about using a blender to make mayo, putting in the oil a quarter teaspoon at a time, turning off the blender to look at the surface, etc. etc., and taking 10 minutes to make the mayo, isn't confusing the words " blender" and " mixer"? A blender is a narrow, up and down glass or plastic container with a v. small blade at the bottom and a cover at the top. It was invented (supposedly by Fred Waring) to make cocktails. It will make mayo in about 30 seconds. A mixer is a large motorized contraption that has two whisks that turn inside an open mixing bowl. It is useful for making cake mixes and bread. It could be used to make mayo, I suppose, but it would be slow work. I have known numerous French people, including my own children (who ought to know better), who confuse the two, always using the word "blender" when they mean "mixer...." Hayford Peirce 16:33, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
"The most probable origin of mayonnaise"
Why is the "most probable" origin ?
The word "mayonnaise" is not mentionned in cookbooks before the XIXth century, 2 centuries after the victory of Richelieu.
The origin of the mayonnaise is very doubtful and will remain so in the future. I would say even more, in the future. It's not with our DNA and the Internet that we'll be able to solve a mystery that ancient historians couldn't solve. ;) —Preceding
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If Mayonnaise were french then I am sure that there would be NO doubt, so the origin is from Minorca under the British mandate — Preceding
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The reference to vegan mayo appears to be based upon the egg industry's ideas rather than the history of the term. Since the original mayonnaise did not include eggs, then there is no reason to append the word "-like" to mayonnaises that do not use eggs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:188:0:D2:9C59:5752:DB7E:F028 ( talk) 00:18, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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The equation given can't be right, the expression in brackets will always evaluate to zero (it's a variable subtracted from itself). Stub Mandrel ( talk) 09:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
On The Onion: http://clckhl.co/rPFpqSR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.174.169.233 ( talk) 07:11, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
I believe the Wikipedia page for Ecuador says mayonnaise originates from Ecuador? I have seen anthropological sources say the indigenous peoples of Ecuador, Bolivia and parts of the Andes used mayonnaise before the Spanish came? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C56:6C7F:FE39:20E0:39EE:AB53:640 ( talk) 10:23, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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Traditional mayonnaise is a mixture of egg, vinegar, oil and spices (especially mustard). Mayonnaise made in this fashion typically contains 70–80% fat. Despite the high oil content relative to water, mayonnaise is an oil-in-water emulsion. This emulsion is formed by first mixing the eggs, vinegar and mustard and then slowly blending in the oil. This results in an emulsion consisting of a closely packed "foam" of oil droplets. By contrast, if the oil and aqueous phases are mixed all at once the result is a water-in-oil emulsion similar in viscosity to the oil from which it is made. Without an emulsifying agent oil floats on top of water forming separate layers.
Oil may account for 75% or more of the total volume. This means that the oil droplets become distorted from their normal, spherical shape. The close packing of the droplets also allow them to interact very strongly with one another. A combination of these factors gives traditional mayonnaise its high viscosity. The viscoelasticity of mayonnaise made with egg yolk reaches a maximum very quickly after preparation.
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relevant?Energy as mechanical force (e.g. shear shaking) must be supplied into the system to force the oil to enter the water phase as oil droplets. [1] Energy is needed for the process because the state of unprotected oil droplets in water is thermodynamically unfavorable (ΔG of the process is positive).
When hydrocarbon molecules (oil) are forced into water layer, hydrogen bond of water molecules and some dispersion forces between hydrocarbon molecules must have been destroyed, and new water-hydrocarbon interaction must have been formed in this state. Considering enthalpy change of the process, the input energy to reach this state and the released energy break even rendering enthalpy change of zero (ΔHsolution = 0) for the process. Enthalpy change equals zero also means that the thermal entropy change ΔSthermal is also about zero for the process. However, positional entropy change for the process (ΔSpositional) is negative. [2] This is because when oil droplets are in water medium, those water molecules that are in contact with the hydrocarbon molecules lose their freedom of movement. If oil droplets are not in water phase, more water molecules would be more freely to move instead of having restriction on their arrangements. Thus, it is a thermodynamically favorable process for the pure, unprotected oil droplets to move out of water medium as the process is driven forward by entropy. Phase separation of oil and water is not only entropy-driven, but is also driven forward to undo the increase in contact area between oil and water. Forming extra interfacial layer, as when oil droplets are in the water layer, increase the overall energy of the oil-water system. [3] This is because water and oil molecules at the interface are higher in energy compared to when they are in the middle and are surrounded on all directions by their own molecules. Thus, oil droplets would move out of water phase, after letting the mixture sit for a little, to get the change in interfacial area (ΔA) as small as possible in order to minimize the energy rise of the system (ΔG). The relationship between free energy change of a system and its interfacial area is expressed in the equation:
where ΔG is the increase in surface free energy, ΔA is the increase in surface area, and γ is the interfacial tension between the two liquids. Emulsifying agent (lecithin) used in mayonnaise are able to suspend oil droplets in water because it lowers the interfacial tension γ between oil and water. When emulsifying agent, lecithin, is added to the oil and water emulsion, they form a layer between the two different liquids, with their hydrophobic tail point toward the non-polar oil droplet, and their hydrophilic end facing the polar water molecules. [4] This reduces the interfacial tension γ because the water molecules are no longer in contact with hydrocarbon molecules. Hence, a large increase of surface area (ΔA) is made possible because energy cost to arrive at the food state is now favorable. [5] Mayonnaise emulsions eventually break as the oil droplets coalesce, although the kinetics and the precise mechanisms by which the droplets coalesce are not fully understood. As samples of mayonnaise age, the size distribution of the oil droplets changed to produce fewer, larger droplets which eventually led to separation of the phases of the mayonnaise. The shift in droplet size could be measured either microscopically (through light or scanning electron micrographs) or by a decrease in the absorbance at 500 nm. When mayonnaise is stored at elevated temperatures, increases in Brownian motion of the droplets, decrease in the viscosity of the continuous phase, and solubilization of the surfactants all contribute to the breakdown of the emulsion. Two unprotected oil droplets with small radii in water are favored thermodynamically to coalesce into one bigger droplet because the process yields a smaller surface area-to-volume ratio. The energetic contribution of the interfacial layer over that same volume of oil is minimized when the two droplets fuse together. [6] Thus, the coalescence process puts the system in a lower energy state and the process would occur spontaneously. However, when the oil droplets are coated with emulsifying agent, electrostatic repulsive force is introduced among the oil droplets which keeps the droplets from coming together. Manufacturers usually try to reduce the oil content of mayonnaise as much as possible within the limits of the food regulations of the country the mayonnaise will be sold in. This is because the oil is usually the most expensive component of mayonnaise. Unfortunately, reducing the proportion of oil in mayonnaise reduces the density of the oil droplets. This means that the interactions between droplets are weakened and the emulsion becomes less stable. In the absence of strong inter-droplet interactions, low-fat emulsions separate under gravity in accordance with the Stokes equation:
where v is the creaming velocity, g is the acceleration due to gravity, r is the radius of the droplets, and ρ and η are the density and shear viscosity, respectively, of a given phase. The subscripts 1 and 2 refer to the continuous and dispersed phases, respectively. Stability of a medium-to-low-fat emulsion can be increased by reducing the size of the droplets, which also produces a product with a lighter, "creamier" appearance. Another possibility is to increase the viscosity of the continuous phase, and various products including proteins, dextrins and gums are available for this purpose. [7]
As a semi-solid, mayonnaise has an extremely high viscosity and because of this, its flow properties have been studied extensively. Shear stress is an important term when discussing liquids and solids at any viscosity and is defined as the force per unit area that is required to drag one layer of substance past another layer. Rheology is the study of science that deals with the flow and deformation of matter and is an umbrella for a few of mayonnaise's properties. One of which includes yield stress which can be defined as a minimum shear stress required to initiate flow. So, with all of these terms now defined, one can look at the specific properties that mayonnaise possesses. Mayonnaise has a high shear stress with a typical yield stress around 100 Pascals). For reference, ketchup has a yield stress of about 15 Pascals. With such a high yield stress, mayonnaise is able to resist low forces and even return to its original conformation. [8] A simple equation can be written to explain the relationship between these terms:
where is the shear stress, is the yield stress, is the shear rate and and are model parameters that influence the shape and curvature of the stress/rate curve. Mayonnaise happens to be a Bingham fluid where k is the plasticity constant and n is 1. This equation is in the form of y = mx + b and thus produces a straight line. In more laymen's terms, the yield stress is the tipping point for conformational change in the mayonnaise after initial force is applied and it is held constant.
Mayonnaise is an oil-in-water emulsion which is stable at room temperature because it reaches phase equilibrium. At freezing temperatures, the structures inside mayonnaise undergo crystallization depending on the type of emulsion. Unlike mayonnaise, butter is a water-in-oil emulsion with the water phase having a higher freezing point than oil. When frozen, the small water droplets suspended in the continuous oil phase freeze where they are, while the rest of the oil stays in place. On thawing the butter, it regains its properties as the water droplets melt in their original locations. In oil-in-water emulsions such as mayonnaise, however, the continuous water phase freezes, allowing the oil droplets to flocculate. This process causes a phase separation between the water and the oil. Once ice crystals start to form in the continuous water phase, they begin to inhibit the lecithin and phospholipids from working. These two emulsifying agents lose their functionality due to dehydration: water is crystallizing out, leaving these agents "out to dry." The oil droplets begin to flocculate without the emulsifying agents keeping them separated. [9] At the freezing point of water, this is enough to destabilize the mayonnaise emulsion; at even lower temperatures the fused oil droplets reach their freezing points and fat crystal nucleation begins. These processes make mayonnaise degrade when frozen and thawed; freezing is not a suitable way to store it.
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Hi - Nayonaise, an eggless, vegan product manufactured by Nasoya Foods, redirects to Mayonaise. I don't see how to change it, just how to add and reasons to delete, not the 'how-to' delete, and can't locate the actual redirect text on the page to alter it. A more suitable page redirect would be Nasoya's parent company, Pulmuone. Would someone help? AHampton ( talk) 02:42, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
I was wondering weather mayo is a dressing or condiment? I know it can be used as both but Im pretty sure its mostly a condiment right?
Answering to above; It is a sauce, a cold sauce.
Hi, I am new and learning in the page, I was trying to fix a clear mistake in the article about Mayonnaise , and for my inexperience it seems there has been some problems. As the wikipedia article clearly says, the sauce has an origin in Mahon,menorca, Spain. NOT France. And even states that there is evidence of the sauce before the french invasion. So the place of origin of the sauce should be Spain, not France by the same article. So..., hope to find an answer, because it is stated in the wikipedia article that is not original from France, this is cultural appropriation. Thanks in foresight.
Mayonnaise sauce originates in France. Until recently, it was thought that the sauce did not exist prior to 1756[5], the year the French invaded the island of Menorca. However, the sauce appears in 19 recipes of a manuscript written in 1750 by Fray Francesc Roger, a valencian friar who published the recipe in the Art de la Cuina, llibre cuina menorquina del s. XVIII (The art of cooking. Book on menorcan cuisine in the 18th century) Francesc Roger calls the sauce "aioli bo",[6] "bo" referring to the fact it had no garlic. Earlier recipes of similar emulsified sauces, usually bearing garlic, appear in a number of Spanish recipe books, dating all the way back to the 14th century Llibre de Sent Soví, where it is called all-i-oli.[7][8] This sauce had clearly spread throughout the Crown of Aragon, for Juan de Altamiras gives a recipe for it in his celebrated 1745 recipe book Nuevo Arte de Cocina ("New Art of Cooking").[9]
Thus, mayonnaise sauce existed in the balearic islands well before the french invasion of Menorca in 1756 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josefco98 ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Mayonnaise sauce originates in France. Until recently, it was thought that the sauce did not exist prior to 1756[5], the year the French invaded the island of Menorca. However, the sauce appears in 19 recipes of a manuscript written in 1750 by Fray Francesc Roger, a valencian friar who published the recipe in the Art de la Cuina, llibre cuina menorquina del s. XVIII (The art of cooking. Book on menorcan cuisine in the 18th century) Francesc Roger calls the sauce "aioli bo",[6] "bo" referring to the fact it had no garlic. Earlier recipes of similar emulsified sauces, usually bearing garlic, appear in a number of Spanish recipe books, dating all the way back to the 14th century Llibre de Sent Soví, where it is called all-i-oli.[7][8] This sauce had clearly spread throughout the Crown of Aragon, for Juan de Altamiras gives a recipe for it in his celebrated 1745 recipe book Nuevo Arte de Cocina ("New Art of Cooking").[9]
Thus, mayonnaise sauce existed in the balearic islands well before the french invasion of Menorca in 1756.
The article can not say what I posted above and keep the origin in France. Mahon is not France, and if the page claims there is prove to say the sauce is older than the french invasion os the island, it can not be kept as such. So stop keeping contradictions in the same article, and change the origin of the sauce to its real place. Mahón, Menorca, Balearic islands, Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josefco98 ( talk • contribs) 14:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
It is my opinion that the history section of this article needs to be rewritten. It seems entirely designed to discredit one possible origin for the dish over another, without even presenting clearly what are the different theories. Additionally, the sources that are given are not always relevant, and fail to disprove a French origin to the dish. The assertion 'Theories furthering a French origin of the sauce are largely discredited.' is not sourced, and I think it would have been better to present each theories in a neutral manner. The assertion 'An emulsion making use of abundant quantities of olive oil appears to have an unlikely French origin' is also not sourced and factually wrong, many french dishes from the 18th century were made with olive oil, as half the country traditionally used olive oil in the cuisine. Other sources are pointing toward a French origin, anterior to the conquest of Mahon by Richelieu. François Marin, in a book published in 1742, is describing a sauce that is close to the modern mayonnaise, made with olive oil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doster123 ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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Does the acid of the vinegar/lemon juice have any particular function in the emulsifying process? AxelBoldt 02:42 Oct 10, 2002 (UTC)
I am fairly certain that mayonnaise (the sauce, not the name) is a Spanish invention. But I'm too new to edit entries yet.
Is not Mayonnaise, but Mahonesa and it is whole egg and oil, nothing else, seasoning with salt. Origin from Mahon, Menorca (Spain). Mahonesa means literally "from Mahon".
Cold? The article says that it's a cold sauce. The widespread availabiloty of room-temperature packets of mayo in sandwich shops shows that "cold" is not a core characteristic of mayo. 174.242.139.199 ( talk) 16:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
One common issue re: mayonnaise is its role in salmonella poisoning. I actually came to wikipedia to look up rules on how long mayonnaise can be out of the refrigerator, and was surprised not to find anything.
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“Mayonaise is a thick, cold, and creamy sauce” remove the opinions by shortening it to “Mayonaise is a sauce”. こもれびーさん Leave me a message! 00:53, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
"a thick, cold, and creamy sauce or dressing"
Why cold? Just because you store it in a fridge and use it cold for most purposes doesn't mean the substance is inherrently cold. It should be described as usually served and used cold, not as being cold.
When it's room temp, it's still mayo, when it's warm it's still mayo. 2A00:23C7:7983:F501:7545:59EF:E9B5:7AE ( talk) 23:20, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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the article states that Menorca was 'occupied by the English at the time', this is incorrect. Menorca was occupied in 1713 by Great Britain. the kingdom of Great Britain comprised England & Wales, and Scotland. this article should be corrected. 2A00:23C4:FAC:4301:BDC4:D5CD:F807:81A1 ( talk) 21:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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86.11.29.154 ( talk) 18:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC) Dylan gabby invented Mayonnaise in 2013
It is alleged in the first sentence under the History section that mayonnaise first appeared in 1806, however in subsequent paragraphs, it is revealed that mayonnaise had actually existed in a number of similar variations since the early 18th century - perhaps most notably in 1745 when an infamous cream shortage necessitated the innovative emergency "invention " of mayonnaise. In order to clear up any confusion and prevent further confusion, I strongly suggest that we either cut the 1806 reference altogether or elaborate more on the reason 1806 should be regarded as the birthday of mayo. 2603:6010:E700:1434:2905:C396:42BC:89BF ( talk) 18:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Most of the History section is suitably tentative about the many theories about the origin of the name of the sauce. But as of this writing, the opening paragraph comes down squarely on the claim that it originated in Mahon - which is far from certain and in fact is treated far more tentatively in the same section. Yes, this paragraph is cited to some published sources which make the same claim, but this is a subject for which one can find all manner of different positions in modern printed sources. No source from the period or just after (late 18th into 19th) supports the "Mahon" version. Ideally, the whole paragraph should be removed; the "Mahon" theory still has its place later in the section. 2600:1700:8D40:9B60:E5A4:6A7B:A9CD:2260 ( talk) 08:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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There is some rather remarkable history here to have no attribution of sources. -- Jmabel 22:35, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
The OED reference helps a lot. Up till that addition, there was no clue where someone would go to verify this. -- Jmabel 16:04, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)
I liked a lot of the revisions to the English. Some questions:
I've been making mayo in various ways about once a month for 35 years now, so that's about 400 times that I've made the stuff. I've done it by hand with a whisk, I've done it in a blender, I've done it in various food processors, I've done it with whole eggs, I've done it with egg yolks only, I've done it with a mixture of the two, I've done it with egg whites only, I've done it with olive oil only, I've done it with various mixes of oils, and I've done it with various seasonings. I've also studied innumerable recipes about different ways of making it and read about the scientific basis of making it. So I feel I'm qualified to write a little about "homemade mayonnaise" at the very least.
According to the company's FAQ, they do not have separate recipes for Best Foods and Hellmans. [1] Can whoever claimed that they're separate give some evidence to back it up? Thanks. — mjb 08:49, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure how corporate products are relevant at all except perhaps one brief reference to the first commercial introduction of mayonnaise. — de Vogon 14:07, 13 march 2006 (CET)
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Another version of the name is that it cames from Mahon (the capital of Menorca, Baleares Islands, Spain). In this version the name is mahonesa, that was corrupted in French to mayonaise.
Tomyumgoong ( talk · contribs) has recently been policing the article, removing whatever he disagrees with. That's not wrong in itself, but he needs to be more careful to check his facts. Aside from his removal of any mention of taratr sauce (on the grounds that the recipe wan't quite right) and his declaration that Belgium isn't in northern Europe(!), he's deleted mention of hard-boiled eggs from the Tartar sauce entry with the edit summary: "the dictionary, my cookbook, google and foodtv.com disagree. If you'd like to document your regional variant, please do so on the tartar sauce page". The very first Web-site that Googling gave me included hard-boiled eggs in its main recipe for tartar sauce: [2]. It might not be an ingredient in all recipes, but simply deleting any mention of it was uncalled for. Tomyumgoong, please calm down and slow down. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 08:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
A friend and I have been having this debate for a while now. She claims that you don't have to refrigerate mayonnaise, even after opening it! I heartily protested, but she went on to explain. She claims that the trick is that if you don't refrigerate the mayonnaise in the first place, then you don't have to refrigerate it ever, but once refrigerated you must always keep it refrigerated. She further claims that her whole family practices this rule regularly, and that it is a "well-known fact in the South." They apparently keep one jar of mayo in the fridge, and another small one which they use specifically for picnics and such.
This smacks to me of Urban Legend! However, though mayo does contain eggs, they are usually pasteurized and the high acidity is also less conducive to spoilage. I did some looking online to see if I could find any references to such a "trick" or any debunking of what I thought might be a common urban legend in the South. I did find a few people claiming that you can get away with not refrigerating commercial mayonnaise if you are very careful to not cross contaminate it (only use very clean utensils, never "double-dip" a utensil, and only open the jar for short periods of time). However, I found no reference at all to this so-called trick. I do know that there are a lot of mayos on the market that aren't "real" mayonnaise, and therefore are probably shelf-stable, but she insists this works with Hellmann’s!
Anyone else heard about this? Any moms from the South? Since I can't seem to spot any direct references to this specific principle, it must either be a very esoteric "secret" of Southern culinary wisdom, or be piece of misinformation which is specific to her locality (New Orleans) or perhaps even just her family/friends! lol. If anyone knows more about this or feels like going into further research (which I do not) please share what you know. Thelastemperor 21:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Chemistry of mayonnaise is beautifully explained on the How Stuff Works website. It is so detailed and well-presented, someone braver than me should add a strong link to it, maybe under the heading Refrigeration/Safety. Hayford Peirce is right, generally, and the HowStuffWorks article explains how altering ingredients alters the chemistry. Msk49 02:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I question the need for refrigeration as well. My teenage son had been using a jar of mayo out of the cupboard for several months without my knowing it. It had never been refridgerated and he never got sick. I really wonder about this because the jars are not sealed, vacume packed as far as I know and they sit on the shelf at the store for who knows how long.
Mayo should always be cooled stored. If not for the micro stability then for the chemical stability. It will reduce the rate of which rancid off notes are formed. Mayo is rather micro stable but still some lacto bacillus might be able to grow in it. Cooling will slow them down. Commercial produced mayo is produced in clean air environments and very clean filling. Therefore an unopened pot has hardly any change of spoilage. As soon as you open the jar micro organisms can enter and spoil the product. Cooling will greatly prevent it. But yes, in most cases this will not happen. But you better make sure.
The new para on this topic is silly and typo-ridden; I'd like to see it deleted rather than corrected. Anybody stupid enough to use tuna packed in water as opposed to oil deserves to have white stuff running off his/her elbows. El Ingles 14:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I fixed some kids edit saying Mayo could be made with semen, and it contained Sperm, under composition. However I never say the real content, so it's likely off. If any one wants to fix it, that would be great. Can't promise the kid won't be back though. Tsukaggin 19:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I changed Italy with Tuscany in the paragraph about Caterina de'Medici. In northern Italy (with the notable exception of Liguria and southern Piedmont) olive oil was virtually unknown until the 20th century, but in Tuscany (and Caterina was born in Florence) was widespread.
Bayonne, Bayonnaise, Cajun, cajunnaise, Saone, saonnaise, Guyenne, guyennaise, oy vey, oyveyonnaise....
I removed this paragraph from the etymology section:
It should be noted that the duc de Mayenne's close ally at the head of the Catholic party in France during the Wars of Religion, was the Queen Mother, Catherine de' Medici, who is generally credited with introducing into Parisian cooking olive oil, which was as traditional in the queen's native Tuscany as butter and lard were in the Ile-de-France. This suggestion, it appears, was first made by culinary writer Pierre Lacam.
I can't find a soupçon of relevance in this paragraph to the sauce, its characteristics, its history, or the etymology of its name. I'm also not clear what suggestion Pierre Lacam made. A citation would be helpful. (Anonymous)
i noticed that there isn't any mention of mayo being used on hamburgers
in canada and i'm sure many parts of the US its pretty common for mayo to be used on a hamburger, sometimes even replacing other things such as ketchup, the Wendy's Jr Bacon Cheese Burger is a perfect example consisting of a bun, a hamburger patty, tomato, lettuce, and mayo
anyway was just wondering if someone might want to add hamburgers to the article, i'd do it myself but i dont really know much about editing wiki so would hate to screw up the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.148.8 ( talk) 11:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
User:Bob98133 added a paragraph about EDTA in commercial mayonnaise diff. He copied the second sentence exactly from EDTA#Toxicity. The first sentence's "manufacturers claim" is misleading as the FDA has oversight:
What is real mayonnaise? Mayonnaise, as defined by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's Standard of Identity, must contain at least 65% oil by weight, vinegar, and egg or egg yolks. It may contain spices and natural seasonings except turmeric and saffron, whose yellow color might suggest added egg yolk. Preservatives such as calcium disodium EDTA are acceptable and approved for use in mayonnaise. ( [3], purportedly from the Best Foods web site)
2 sentences are WP:UNDUE if due weight is 1 or 0. Copying negative information on EDTA to Mayonnaise is WP:COATRACK.
Special:LinkSearch returns 2 results for the toxicity citation, EDTA and Mayonnaise.
Special:WhatLinksHere/EDTA, first 100 articles, picking those related to food: Food preservation, 7 Up, Mayonnaise, Fresca, Pepsi Blue, I Can't Believe It's Not Butter. Except for Mayonnaise, the articles have only passing mention of EDTA, usually in ingredients lists.
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I know in the US and elsewhere, there are accepted "definitions" of what is in a food. For example, mayonaise may be required to contain eggs. However, that definition isn't used in the lead to this article, just that mayonaise is "primarily made" with eggs. While vegan mayonaise is sold as a mayonaise substitute, I wonder why it isn't also just considered mayonaise. A similar situation arose in the US about milk where soy milk was not allowed to be called milk. The same still applies to cheese - which must be made with milk - so soy products take on similar sounding names, but Wiki readily refers to these as cheese, not cheese substitutes. Bob98133 ( talk) 14:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
has anyone heard of making sweet mayo by adding vinegar, salt and pepper to sweetened condensed milk? it's pretty good. -- smadge1 ( talk) 06:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
It is now illegal (in the UK at least) to make mayonnaise in a professional capacity using fresh eggs. If you're making mayonnaise - the eggs must be pasteurised. Is this true of other countries? And should it be mentioned somewhere?-- Tuzapicabit ( talk) 22:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't doubt you but if you want to incorporate this into the article you will need a citation. Zarcadia ( talk) 18:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Entry needs some information about how Mayonnnaise came to be associated with blandness, white bread, and caucasians. What cultures avoid mayo entirely? -- 24.249.108.133 18:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC) Racist cultures. Get a grip, racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.106.71 ( talk) 23:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
As far as I am aware, Kraft "Real Mayonnaise" is among the leading mayonnaise products in the United States, or at least where I have been; shouldn't this be mentioned at least once in the article, or even at least the fact that Kraft makes it? There are parts about Hellmann's and others I've never heard of, I just thought maybe if the article is going to feature these brand names, it might be a bit broader, and feature all or major producers, at least in the US. I was also hoping the section on Europe might be a bit larger, such as facts of distribution and brands as opposed to those in the US.
Thanks!~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.121.79.76 ( talk) 03:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
At the cafeteria where I work we get in tubs of mayonnaise marked "Extra heavy duty mayonnaise". It would be interesting to have a section that discusses what that means, if it has any standard meaning (as opposed to just commercial puffery), and if so, what other levels of "duty" there are. SnappingTurtle ( talk) 02:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
It is thicker (less water) usually only sold by foodservices. -- Weetoddid ( talk) 20:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
While this may not be veracious, as an element of popular folklore it deserves mention, by eliminating reference to him you take it out of popular folklore/urban legend you take it out of that range and put it into a true claim to being descendent of the originator of mayonnaise. Now I suppose you could place it in a popular folklore section, but by leaving it as an assertion of Ed McMahon, it becomes colorful anecdotal material regarding the origins of mayonnaise rather than a possibly false origin statement with no qualifying statement of origin of the claim. Colorful anecdote vs. gospel truth... which would have no bearing on the article except it was stated on national television on one of the most watched shows in the nation at the time, the statement being made by Ed McMahon provides for a richer article and serves to dispel veracity. 71.102.30.217 ( talk) 20:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Mayonnaise is an emulsion of primarily oil and AIR - jamusdouglus@yahoo.com - perhaps someone more wiki competent than i would like to do the editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.227.255 ( talk) 00:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
How are most comercial mayonaises white when egg yolks are yellow? Is homemade mayonaise yellow or white?
I wrote a short description of how vegan mayonnaise can be made at home. It most likely has a lot of grammar errors... -- Aamunkoi ( talk) 18:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Soo, even though my edit was deleted, I still find it useful to notify that vegan mayo can be made at home, since most people seem to think that it's impossible without eggs. Now the chapter part gives the impression that only way to enjoy vegan mayo is by buying commercial product. -- Aamunkoi ( talk) 06:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Someone just deleted this section but I'm sure it will be back. When it does how about calling it a mayonnaise substitute as vegan mayonnaise is impossible. -- Weetoddid ( talk) 07:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
My mother has for a long time used mayo as a hair conditioner, and this article lacks any mention of such an application for mayo. Just thoght i would mention it
I was actually thinking about using mayonnaise as a conditioner. Does it really work?
yes, especially after a few treatments.
well, Lush has a hair mask which is made from egg yolks, olive oil and vinegar, and those are basic ingredients for mayo. So it's not a crazy idea, after all UseYourDelusion ( talk) 17:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
From the introduction to the article (as of 9th December 2009): "...whereas in Spain (and Minorca) it is made using the same ingredients..." That looks wrong, since Minorca is a part of Spain. It's like saying "in the USA (and Texas)", or "in France (and Provence)": it makes no sense to have the part in parentheses, since the whole already includes the part. i.e, "in the USA" includes "in Texas", and "in France" includes "in Provence" -- just as "in Spain" includes "in Minorca".
Could this be the work of some Menorcan editor, (over-)eager to emphasise the island's claim to be the origin of this sauce? Understandable (and looks quite plausible to me), but I'm bound to argue against it anyway: Understandable, but ungrammatical.-- CRConrad ( talk) 10:30, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Sayeth the article (in the "Composition" section):
What does this mean? Cleaning the shells before cracking them would be a waste of time wouldn't it? But then how does one go about cleaning an egg yolk (I'm guessing that using soap and a scrubbing brush would give indifferent results)?. -- Camembert
According to my food studys teacher: "Its because the insides of the egg will probably touch the shell before it enters the bowl - if the shell is dirty then the contents of the egg could pick up germs from it" =)
Washing them would not remove bacteria, only surface debris. Eggs are very porous and whatever small particles are on the outside, they are likely on the inside, too. -- Sorchah 22:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Eggs come from the single eliminatory orifice of a bird. It is the equivalent of a urethra, a vagina, and an anus. The word cloaca is used for this orifice, and the word cloaca comes from the Latin to mean sewer.
While there is a shell composed in large part of calcium, there is also a membrane that encloses the ovum, ie the egg. While some material may get through the shell, it is another thing for it to get through the membrane. If it gets through the membrane is is in contact with the living mechanisms of the ovum, including its immune system.
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I have twice reverted the insertion of the French pronunciation from the lede. Not only does it make the text incorrect "(French pronunciation: /majɔnɛz/[1], sometimes abbreviated to mayo)" - this means that the French abbreviate mayonnaise as mayo? I don't think so. Why is this editor adding only the French pronunciation? This is the English version of wiki. If there is a guide to pronunciation it should be for the English pronunciation. The article says that the French popularized mayonnaise - do they get their pronunciation included for popularization? There is no reason for this to be included. If it is included, than the pronunciation for every language where mayonnaise is used should be included. PS, saying to look something up in the dictionary is not a reference. Please see wiki guide to referencing material. Bob98133 ( talk) 12:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
I was searching for "Vegenaise" and was redirected to "mayonnaise". However, there is not a single paragraph about Vegenaise inside the mayonnaise article. This is an error ans should not happen this way.
"Vegenaise" is an egg free mayonnaise alternative. Please add the missing paragraph if possible or start a full Vegenaise article. This is like searching for "soy milk" and being redirected to "(cow) milk" instead, and without any soy milk reference in it.
I cannot eat any eggs due to a serious health condition, and I was grateful for discovering that there are indeed good and high quality alternatives. People who cannot or choose not to eat eggs should at least get a paragraph about "Vegenaise" or "vegan mayonnaise" or "egg free mayonnaise" inside this article. Otherwise Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia, but an advertising campaign for certain lobbyists. I hope this ain't happening.
Thank you ^^ Veggieburgerfan ( talk) 22:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Just added a small paragraph at the end of article. Veggieburgerfan ( talk) 23:12, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The introduction states "Mayonnaise (mayo) is an emulsion of oil, vinegar and lemon juice, often with herbs and spices". I know some mayo substitutes don't have eggs but I think eggs should be included. Real mayo always has eggs in it. Eggs are certainly more common in mayo than herbs and spices. Weetoddid ( talk) 20:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
My theory is that it is an emulsion consisting of air in/and oil. The egg(s) is primarily an emulgent/surfactant ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant.) My evidence: 1 egg will allow at least 750mL of oil to be converted to mayo. The oil ceases to be transparent (white/yellow explained in "Emulsion" - see link) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulsion). The resulting emulsion does not taste like oil (probably due to oxidation/"rancidation" of the small amount oil at the air/oil interface which is what one's taste buds meet)
The above was determined by personal experience. This theory does explain many of its properties. If anyone can determine the density of the food oil before conversion and then discovers that the resultant mayo is less dense (allowing for the egg's contribution)then this would almost certainly prove my theory! A view through a microscope would also back it. (providing magnification were sufficient - although the air "bubbles" may be sub-microscopic!)
If anyone does the above experiments or knows if the theory is correct, please inform me. Ecstatist ( talk) 01:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC) ecstatist
I checked! Density mayo = 910 kg/cubic meter http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_density_of_mayonnaise
Density sunflower oil = 917 kg/cubic meter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_oil
As density of egg or food vinegar or water is greater than 910kg/cubic meter, the loss of density must be due to the inclusion of air. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecstatist ( talk • contribs) 01:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5976587.html
Read PDF 5976587 whose link can be found on the above page
Cooking and food "processing" is a small subset of chemistry! although emulsions tend to be more physics than chemistry. Ecstatist ( talk) 02:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)ecstatist
There are two recipes, a 'recipe' and a 'traditional recipe'. They are basically identical.
Both recipes contain, buried in them, an assortment of flavourings which are, admittedly, traditional variations of mayonnaise, but would perhaps be better off separated out. Basically, it's mayo when it's got mustard in it, but it's also mayo when it hasn't, as I read this article (I fall firmly in the 'add mustard' camp, but I don't hold my mayo up as the Platonic ideal).
The recipe has no citations at all. Fine, we all know how to make mayo, but still. I could find hundreds on the web, but what's considered a good authority when chefs like to put their mark on simple recipes?
The means of making it has slight and pointless variations too - yes, you could make it with an electric beater or food processor but you might be better off just ignoring that and referring to it as 'is whisked'... Especially when you say it can be made with an electric beater (para 1 line 1) and then neglect to mention how.
Finally, a mortar and pestle is a tool used for making mayonnaise. Are you suggesting I grind the ingredients together? Or are you suggesting that, should I wish to add a spice, I might want to grind it, and are you then suggesting that there is an essential spice that must be added?
Apologies for the challenging tone - I don't know the best way to change the article in light of the questions, but I thought the input might be useful to someone else editing it.-- 64.103.25.233 ( talk) 18:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
which emusifier would be best suited to replace eggs?
would welcome suggestions. regards ashok
None! Egg yolk is unique in its emulsifying properties. PGA might help, milk proteins and vegetable proteins also can do the job. But you'll never get the same texture and emulsion stability as with yolk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.32.215.11 ( talk) 11:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
"cocktails" is used in a perogative way; "good quality" is used incorrectly; "not available to the average cook" is another howler. The 'everyone makes their own at home' doesn't jibe with me; it's certainly not apart of popular mainstream as witnessed on TV or literature. 203.14.156.193 ( talk) 12:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
I dispute the assertion in the introductory paragraph that vinegar and lemon juice help the emulsion. On the contrary, these acids thin the emulsion down, and need to be added very judiciously. I'm not a primary editor of this article so I won't change it. Perhaps somebody more authoritative might think about this. El Ingles 23:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I would expect that in limited quantities they would in fact help the emulsion, as both acetic acid and citric acid are organic acids containing both polar areas and nonpolar areas, which ought to help stabilize the oil-water interface. Now whether they would actually help the emulsion when used in the quantities that they traditionally are for flavoring mayonnaise, well, that's a different story. I suppose if I have some time I'll try to imagine an experiment and try it out in the kitchen. D.L. 21:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Acetic acid is NOT amphiphilic, and therefore does not act as a stabiliser. Whilst acetic acid does have a polar carboxyl group, the alkyl (water repelling) part of the molecule is only 1 carbon atom long! That is not sufficient to have any sort of amphiphilic property - if it did, you would be able to squirt vinegar into your washing up bowl and use that instead of Fairy Liquid! Similarly, citric acid would not have amphiphilic properties because it has no alkyl "tail" at all, being a tricarboxylic acid. They are used simply for flavouring purposes. SM (M.Sc Colloid & Surface Chemistry, University of Bristol 1989) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.198.33.252 ( talk) 13:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
An anonymous user added a section called "The Anti-Mayo Movement". It ought to be cleaned up a bit, and verified. Josh Thompson 05:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
In American culture, mayo is often lumped in with white bread as quintessentially low-brow (and decidedly non-Jewish) food staples. There was even that scene in Hannah and Her Sisters wherein the protagonist Mickey, intent on converting to Catholicism, brings home a crucifix, a loaf of Wonder Bread, and a jar of Hellman's mayonnaise. Someone should weave these pop-cultural aspects into the mayo article (and if no one does, I will). bigfun 17:51, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
"low-brow (and decidedly non-Jewish)"
Oh, the irony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.95.98 ( talk) 22:17, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
WTF mayo is CATALAN! not French!
In American culture, Mayonnaise is the subject matter of several hate/fear mongering groups that feel the condiment is so offensive, it should be banned. They organize into groups on social networking sites like "Say No 2 Mayo," an MSN group that strongly believes Mayonnaise was invented by the French to cover up the flavor of spoiled flesh, stale vegetables, and rotten fish. The blog, holdthatmayo.com, started my leading anti-mayo activist, Craig Horwitz, gained much attention in 2007, by galvanizing the mayo-haters around the internet with radical articles and apparel, supporting the cause. However, the Founding Father of the anti-mayo movement would be Charles Memminger, an award winning columnist from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. He is the leader of the worldwide "I Hate Mayo club",which is offline and the first ever organized movement againt the condiment on record. —Preceding
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The article says that people in North Europe ( Netherlands, Belgium, Germany etc.) use mayonnaise on French fries. The well known opening dialogue in the movie Pulp Fiction corroborates this. However, (at least in the Netherlands) special 'frites sauce' is used more often than mayonnaise. Mayonnaise is about 70-80% fat whereas 'frites sauce' (or 'pommes sauce') is about 20% fat. The taste is very similar between these products.
Let them use mayonnaise on fries. They probably do this on their respective Wikis about ketchup or vinegar. -- Alien joe ( talk) 21:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
In Europe Mayonnaise is commonly used on chips (fries), I don't know what this 'frites sauce' is but the use of Mayonnaise is commonplace. Zarcadia ( talk) 17:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
It's true. In the Netherlands they use fritessauce on their fries. It's basically a cheap mayonnaise substitute. it's now so widespread in the Netherlands that when you ask for mayonnaise you'll always get fritessauce. It's a shame! Fritessauce has typical 25% of oil. The water is typical bound by modified starch and gums. The taste is very sweet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.32.215.11 ( talk) 11:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Not true for Denmark where the condiment for french fries (known as pommel frites) is ketchup and/or remoulade — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.83.4.197 ( talk) 23:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Nobody seems to have referred to problems with mayonnaise-making. A successful mayo is, as has been said, an emulsion of oil in water. When it goes syrupy, it is that it has become an emulsion of water in oil. To recover, start a fresh batch and incorporate the gone-wrong one into it drip-by-drip. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.220.46.99 ( talk) 13:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Quote: "Apart from salads, it is popular with dishes such as okonomiyaki, takoyaki and yakisoba and may also accompany katsu and karaage." Hypertexting does not undo jargon nor the need for clear writing. In general hypertexting interrupts the flow, is often unreasonably time consuming, and often points to more lazy hypertexting,...into infinitude.
This is clear writing with hypertexting: quote: "In the Tōkai region, it is a frequent condiment on hiyashi chūka (cold noodle salad)."
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A friend of mine said certain mayonnaise containers have "percussion qualities" due to the combination of the container material and the texture of mayonnaise. Is mayonnaise an instrument? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.91.142 ( talk) 02:14, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I had to rollback good faith edits by User:Cegpep from late December. Problems with the edits included:
I truly feel that the pro-Menorca camp is adequately represented already in the article, and that these new edits and sources did not enhance it. However, if there is a novel or unique point to be drawn out of them that I am overlooking, I would be happy to discuss it further. (I will admit my comprehension of the cited sources was limited, since they appear to be written in Catalan, which I do not speak.)
-- Rnickel ( talk) 21:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
In the U.S., you can't make mayonnaise with olive oil and label it simply "mayonnaise." This is due to the regulations. 21CFR169.140 http://www.grokfood.com/regulations/169.140.htm So the commercial preparations with olive oil are generally listed as "mayonnaise dressing" and use the term "with olive oil." Apparently, olive oil is not a vegetable oil and therefore doesn't fit the Code of Federal Regulations' definition. This would be an interesting addition to the article. Essentially all commercial mayonnaise uses soybean oil. I like to saw logs! ( talk) 08:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
How to store it?
How long does it keep for?
Health dangers if stored incorectly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.218.211.54 ( talk) 19:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
- Recommended storage temperature range
- Storage life when refrigerated
- Freezing causing separation (de-emulsification) of components in mayonnaise
- Useful life when left at room temperature
- Chemical composition (acidity) being a factor in inhibiting bacterial growth
- Mayonnaise being falsely implicated in food poisoning when contamination came from other sources
I wonder if whoever wrote all the business about using a blender to make mayo, putting in the oil a quarter teaspoon at a time, turning off the blender to look at the surface, etc. etc., and taking 10 minutes to make the mayo, isn't confusing the words " blender" and " mixer"? A blender is a narrow, up and down glass or plastic container with a v. small blade at the bottom and a cover at the top. It was invented (supposedly by Fred Waring) to make cocktails. It will make mayo in about 30 seconds. A mixer is a large motorized contraption that has two whisks that turn inside an open mixing bowl. It is useful for making cake mixes and bread. It could be used to make mayo, I suppose, but it would be slow work. I have known numerous French people, including my own children (who ought to know better), who confuse the two, always using the word "blender" when they mean "mixer...." Hayford Peirce 16:33, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
"The most probable origin of mayonnaise"
Why is the "most probable" origin ?
The word "mayonnaise" is not mentionned in cookbooks before the XIXth century, 2 centuries after the victory of Richelieu.
The origin of the mayonnaise is very doubtful and will remain so in the future. I would say even more, in the future. It's not with our DNA and the Internet that we'll be able to solve a mystery that ancient historians couldn't solve. ;) —Preceding
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If Mayonnaise were french then I am sure that there would be NO doubt, so the origin is from Minorca under the British mandate — Preceding
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The equation given can't be right, the expression in brackets will always evaluate to zero (it's a variable subtracted from itself). Stub Mandrel ( talk) 09:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
On The Onion: http://clckhl.co/rPFpqSR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.174.169.233 ( talk) 07:11, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
I believe the Wikipedia page for Ecuador says mayonnaise originates from Ecuador? I have seen anthropological sources say the indigenous peoples of Ecuador, Bolivia and parts of the Andes used mayonnaise before the Spanish came? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C56:6C7F:FE39:20E0:39EE:AB53:640 ( talk) 10:23, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I have moved the following sections here for review and discussion. Yes, they are overly technical and scientific, and it is doubtful many readers will come to this page specifically intending to find this type of information. Simplification or copy-editing, or even the creation of a new page might help resolve the issues here. Thanks. JabberJaw (talk) 01:58, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Traditional mayonnaise is a mixture of egg, vinegar, oil and spices (especially mustard). Mayonnaise made in this fashion typically contains 70–80% fat. Despite the high oil content relative to water, mayonnaise is an oil-in-water emulsion. This emulsion is formed by first mixing the eggs, vinegar and mustard and then slowly blending in the oil. This results in an emulsion consisting of a closely packed "foam" of oil droplets. By contrast, if the oil and aqueous phases are mixed all at once the result is a water-in-oil emulsion similar in viscosity to the oil from which it is made. Without an emulsifying agent oil floats on top of water forming separate layers.
Oil may account for 75% or more of the total volume. This means that the oil droplets become distorted from their normal, spherical shape. The close packing of the droplets also allow them to interact very strongly with one another. A combination of these factors gives traditional mayonnaise its high viscosity. The viscoelasticity of mayonnaise made with egg yolk reaches a maximum very quickly after preparation.
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relevant?Energy as mechanical force (e.g. shear shaking) must be supplied into the system to force the oil to enter the water phase as oil droplets. [1] Energy is needed for the process because the state of unprotected oil droplets in water is thermodynamically unfavorable (ΔG of the process is positive).
When hydrocarbon molecules (oil) are forced into water layer, hydrogen bond of water molecules and some dispersion forces between hydrocarbon molecules must have been destroyed, and new water-hydrocarbon interaction must have been formed in this state. Considering enthalpy change of the process, the input energy to reach this state and the released energy break even rendering enthalpy change of zero (ΔHsolution = 0) for the process. Enthalpy change equals zero also means that the thermal entropy change ΔSthermal is also about zero for the process. However, positional entropy change for the process (ΔSpositional) is negative. [2] This is because when oil droplets are in water medium, those water molecules that are in contact with the hydrocarbon molecules lose their freedom of movement. If oil droplets are not in water phase, more water molecules would be more freely to move instead of having restriction on their arrangements. Thus, it is a thermodynamically favorable process for the pure, unprotected oil droplets to move out of water medium as the process is driven forward by entropy. Phase separation of oil and water is not only entropy-driven, but is also driven forward to undo the increase in contact area between oil and water. Forming extra interfacial layer, as when oil droplets are in the water layer, increase the overall energy of the oil-water system. [3] This is because water and oil molecules at the interface are higher in energy compared to when they are in the middle and are surrounded on all directions by their own molecules. Thus, oil droplets would move out of water phase, after letting the mixture sit for a little, to get the change in interfacial area (ΔA) as small as possible in order to minimize the energy rise of the system (ΔG). The relationship between free energy change of a system and its interfacial area is expressed in the equation:
where ΔG is the increase in surface free energy, ΔA is the increase in surface area, and γ is the interfacial tension between the two liquids. Emulsifying agent (lecithin) used in mayonnaise are able to suspend oil droplets in water because it lowers the interfacial tension γ between oil and water. When emulsifying agent, lecithin, is added to the oil and water emulsion, they form a layer between the two different liquids, with their hydrophobic tail point toward the non-polar oil droplet, and their hydrophilic end facing the polar water molecules. [4] This reduces the interfacial tension γ because the water molecules are no longer in contact with hydrocarbon molecules. Hence, a large increase of surface area (ΔA) is made possible because energy cost to arrive at the food state is now favorable. [5] Mayonnaise emulsions eventually break as the oil droplets coalesce, although the kinetics and the precise mechanisms by which the droplets coalesce are not fully understood. As samples of mayonnaise age, the size distribution of the oil droplets changed to produce fewer, larger droplets which eventually led to separation of the phases of the mayonnaise. The shift in droplet size could be measured either microscopically (through light or scanning electron micrographs) or by a decrease in the absorbance at 500 nm. When mayonnaise is stored at elevated temperatures, increases in Brownian motion of the droplets, decrease in the viscosity of the continuous phase, and solubilization of the surfactants all contribute to the breakdown of the emulsion. Two unprotected oil droplets with small radii in water are favored thermodynamically to coalesce into one bigger droplet because the process yields a smaller surface area-to-volume ratio. The energetic contribution of the interfacial layer over that same volume of oil is minimized when the two droplets fuse together. [6] Thus, the coalescence process puts the system in a lower energy state and the process would occur spontaneously. However, when the oil droplets are coated with emulsifying agent, electrostatic repulsive force is introduced among the oil droplets which keeps the droplets from coming together. Manufacturers usually try to reduce the oil content of mayonnaise as much as possible within the limits of the food regulations of the country the mayonnaise will be sold in. This is because the oil is usually the most expensive component of mayonnaise. Unfortunately, reducing the proportion of oil in mayonnaise reduces the density of the oil droplets. This means that the interactions between droplets are weakened and the emulsion becomes less stable. In the absence of strong inter-droplet interactions, low-fat emulsions separate under gravity in accordance with the Stokes equation:
where v is the creaming velocity, g is the acceleration due to gravity, r is the radius of the droplets, and ρ and η are the density and shear viscosity, respectively, of a given phase. The subscripts 1 and 2 refer to the continuous and dispersed phases, respectively. Stability of a medium-to-low-fat emulsion can be increased by reducing the size of the droplets, which also produces a product with a lighter, "creamier" appearance. Another possibility is to increase the viscosity of the continuous phase, and various products including proteins, dextrins and gums are available for this purpose. [7]
As a semi-solid, mayonnaise has an extremely high viscosity and because of this, its flow properties have been studied extensively. Shear stress is an important term when discussing liquids and solids at any viscosity and is defined as the force per unit area that is required to drag one layer of substance past another layer. Rheology is the study of science that deals with the flow and deformation of matter and is an umbrella for a few of mayonnaise's properties. One of which includes yield stress which can be defined as a minimum shear stress required to initiate flow. So, with all of these terms now defined, one can look at the specific properties that mayonnaise possesses. Mayonnaise has a high shear stress with a typical yield stress around 100 Pascals). For reference, ketchup has a yield stress of about 15 Pascals. With such a high yield stress, mayonnaise is able to resist low forces and even return to its original conformation. [8] A simple equation can be written to explain the relationship between these terms:
where is the shear stress, is the yield stress, is the shear rate and and are model parameters that influence the shape and curvature of the stress/rate curve. Mayonnaise happens to be a Bingham fluid where k is the plasticity constant and n is 1. This equation is in the form of y = mx + b and thus produces a straight line. In more laymen's terms, the yield stress is the tipping point for conformational change in the mayonnaise after initial force is applied and it is held constant.
Mayonnaise is an oil-in-water emulsion which is stable at room temperature because it reaches phase equilibrium. At freezing temperatures, the structures inside mayonnaise undergo crystallization depending on the type of emulsion. Unlike mayonnaise, butter is a water-in-oil emulsion with the water phase having a higher freezing point than oil. When frozen, the small water droplets suspended in the continuous oil phase freeze where they are, while the rest of the oil stays in place. On thawing the butter, it regains its properties as the water droplets melt in their original locations. In oil-in-water emulsions such as mayonnaise, however, the continuous water phase freezes, allowing the oil droplets to flocculate. This process causes a phase separation between the water and the oil. Once ice crystals start to form in the continuous water phase, they begin to inhibit the lecithin and phospholipids from working. These two emulsifying agents lose their functionality due to dehydration: water is crystallizing out, leaving these agents "out to dry." The oil droplets begin to flocculate without the emulsifying agents keeping them separated. [9] At the freezing point of water, this is enough to destabilize the mayonnaise emulsion; at even lower temperatures the fused oil droplets reach their freezing points and fat crystal nucleation begins. These processes make mayonnaise degrade when frozen and thawed; freezing is not a suitable way to store it.
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Hi - Nayonaise, an eggless, vegan product manufactured by Nasoya Foods, redirects to Mayonaise. I don't see how to change it, just how to add and reasons to delete, not the 'how-to' delete, and can't locate the actual redirect text on the page to alter it. A more suitable page redirect would be Nasoya's parent company, Pulmuone. Would someone help? AHampton ( talk) 02:42, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
I was wondering weather mayo is a dressing or condiment? I know it can be used as both but Im pretty sure its mostly a condiment right?
Answering to above; It is a sauce, a cold sauce.
Hi, I am new and learning in the page, I was trying to fix a clear mistake in the article about Mayonnaise , and for my inexperience it seems there has been some problems. As the wikipedia article clearly says, the sauce has an origin in Mahon,menorca, Spain. NOT France. And even states that there is evidence of the sauce before the french invasion. So the place of origin of the sauce should be Spain, not France by the same article. So..., hope to find an answer, because it is stated in the wikipedia article that is not original from France, this is cultural appropriation. Thanks in foresight.
Mayonnaise sauce originates in France. Until recently, it was thought that the sauce did not exist prior to 1756[5], the year the French invaded the island of Menorca. However, the sauce appears in 19 recipes of a manuscript written in 1750 by Fray Francesc Roger, a valencian friar who published the recipe in the Art de la Cuina, llibre cuina menorquina del s. XVIII (The art of cooking. Book on menorcan cuisine in the 18th century) Francesc Roger calls the sauce "aioli bo",[6] "bo" referring to the fact it had no garlic. Earlier recipes of similar emulsified sauces, usually bearing garlic, appear in a number of Spanish recipe books, dating all the way back to the 14th century Llibre de Sent Soví, where it is called all-i-oli.[7][8] This sauce had clearly spread throughout the Crown of Aragon, for Juan de Altamiras gives a recipe for it in his celebrated 1745 recipe book Nuevo Arte de Cocina ("New Art of Cooking").[9]
Thus, mayonnaise sauce existed in the balearic islands well before the french invasion of Menorca in 1756 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josefco98 ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Mayonnaise sauce originates in France. Until recently, it was thought that the sauce did not exist prior to 1756[5], the year the French invaded the island of Menorca. However, the sauce appears in 19 recipes of a manuscript written in 1750 by Fray Francesc Roger, a valencian friar who published the recipe in the Art de la Cuina, llibre cuina menorquina del s. XVIII (The art of cooking. Book on menorcan cuisine in the 18th century) Francesc Roger calls the sauce "aioli bo",[6] "bo" referring to the fact it had no garlic. Earlier recipes of similar emulsified sauces, usually bearing garlic, appear in a number of Spanish recipe books, dating all the way back to the 14th century Llibre de Sent Soví, where it is called all-i-oli.[7][8] This sauce had clearly spread throughout the Crown of Aragon, for Juan de Altamiras gives a recipe for it in his celebrated 1745 recipe book Nuevo Arte de Cocina ("New Art of Cooking").[9]
Thus, mayonnaise sauce existed in the balearic islands well before the french invasion of Menorca in 1756.
The article can not say what I posted above and keep the origin in France. Mahon is not France, and if the page claims there is prove to say the sauce is older than the french invasion os the island, it can not be kept as such. So stop keeping contradictions in the same article, and change the origin of the sauce to its real place. Mahón, Menorca, Balearic islands, Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josefco98 ( talk • contribs) 14:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
It is my opinion that the history section of this article needs to be rewritten. It seems entirely designed to discredit one possible origin for the dish over another, without even presenting clearly what are the different theories. Additionally, the sources that are given are not always relevant, and fail to disprove a French origin to the dish. The assertion 'Theories furthering a French origin of the sauce are largely discredited.' is not sourced, and I think it would have been better to present each theories in a neutral manner. The assertion 'An emulsion making use of abundant quantities of olive oil appears to have an unlikely French origin' is also not sourced and factually wrong, many french dishes from the 18th century were made with olive oil, as half the country traditionally used olive oil in the cuisine. Other sources are pointing toward a French origin, anterior to the conquest of Mahon by Richelieu. François Marin, in a book published in 1742, is describing a sauce that is close to the modern mayonnaise, made with olive oil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doster123 ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
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Does the acid of the vinegar/lemon juice have any particular function in the emulsifying process? AxelBoldt 02:42 Oct 10, 2002 (UTC)
I am fairly certain that mayonnaise (the sauce, not the name) is a Spanish invention. But I'm too new to edit entries yet.
Is not Mayonnaise, but Mahonesa and it is whole egg and oil, nothing else, seasoning with salt. Origin from Mahon, Menorca (Spain). Mahonesa means literally "from Mahon".
Cold? The article says that it's a cold sauce. The widespread availabiloty of room-temperature packets of mayo in sandwich shops shows that "cold" is not a core characteristic of mayo. 174.242.139.199 ( talk) 16:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
One common issue re: mayonnaise is its role in salmonella poisoning. I actually came to wikipedia to look up rules on how long mayonnaise can be out of the refrigerator, and was surprised not to find anything.
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“Mayonaise is a thick, cold, and creamy sauce” remove the opinions by shortening it to “Mayonaise is a sauce”. こもれびーさん Leave me a message! 00:53, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
"a thick, cold, and creamy sauce or dressing"
Why cold? Just because you store it in a fridge and use it cold for most purposes doesn't mean the substance is inherrently cold. It should be described as usually served and used cold, not as being cold.
When it's room temp, it's still mayo, when it's warm it's still mayo. 2A00:23C7:7983:F501:7545:59EF:E9B5:7AE ( talk) 23:20, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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the article states that Menorca was 'occupied by the English at the time', this is incorrect. Menorca was occupied in 1713 by Great Britain. the kingdom of Great Britain comprised England & Wales, and Scotland. this article should be corrected. 2A00:23C4:FAC:4301:BDC4:D5CD:F807:81A1 ( talk) 21:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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86.11.29.154 ( talk) 18:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC) Dylan gabby invented Mayonnaise in 2013
It is alleged in the first sentence under the History section that mayonnaise first appeared in 1806, however in subsequent paragraphs, it is revealed that mayonnaise had actually existed in a number of similar variations since the early 18th century - perhaps most notably in 1745 when an infamous cream shortage necessitated the innovative emergency "invention " of mayonnaise. In order to clear up any confusion and prevent further confusion, I strongly suggest that we either cut the 1806 reference altogether or elaborate more on the reason 1806 should be regarded as the birthday of mayo. 2603:6010:E700:1434:2905:C396:42BC:89BF ( talk) 18:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Most of the History section is suitably tentative about the many theories about the origin of the name of the sauce. But as of this writing, the opening paragraph comes down squarely on the claim that it originated in Mahon - which is far from certain and in fact is treated far more tentatively in the same section. Yes, this paragraph is cited to some published sources which make the same claim, but this is a subject for which one can find all manner of different positions in modern printed sources. No source from the period or just after (late 18th into 19th) supports the "Mahon" version. Ideally, the whole paragraph should be removed; the "Mahon" theory still has its place later in the section. 2600:1700:8D40:9B60:E5A4:6A7B:A9CD:2260 ( talk) 08:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)