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The result of the move request was: Not moved: no consensus to do so, and proposer verges on withdrawall of the proposition. ( non-admin closure) Kevin McE ( talk) 20:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Matthew Shepard → Murder of Matthew Shepard – WP:VICTIM: Shepard was not a notable person, he was the victim of a crime. The crime is what is notable, and the information about Shepard is background. HandsomeFella ( talk) 07:26, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
LavenderLagoon, please re-read the source you are using and have a look at the article again. The source you are using states: Even Cal Rerucha, the prosecutor who had pushed for the death sentence for McKinney and Henderson, would later concede on ABC’s 20/20 that “it was a murder that was driven by drugs.” The Rerucha quote you keep readding relates to the 2004 20/20 story, not the 2013 Book of Matt.
In the previous version of the article, the quote you added duplicated, out-of-sequence, the description of the 20/20 story. I have since separated out the 20/20 story and The Book of Matt into different subsections, as their content was quite different and they were separated by 9 years in time. In the current version of the article, the quote you have re-added duplicates, out-of-sequence, this sentence from the 20/20 section: Rerucha said, "It was a murder that was once again driven by drugs.", cited to the original ABC story from 2004.-- Trystan ( talk) 12:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not that well versed on Wikipedia's guidelines, but shouldn't this page be renamed to "Murder of Matthew Shepard," since that's what it's mostly about? Section titles like "Arrests and trial" don't really make sense if the page title is just his name. TheThingy Talk 18:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Early in the article is this confusing sentence:
"Both McKinney and Henderson were convicted of the murder, and each of them received two consecutive life sentences."
Later, referring only to McKinney, it twice states that he received "...two consecutive life sentences."
Since there was only a single murder, how would each defendant be sentenced to "two [my emphasis] consecutive life sentences"? Espaqu ( talk) 01:24, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
He was killed during a robbery because he was a drug dealer 2600:8805:C08:7100:91F9:6E98:A1B8:C1CE ( talk) 10:51, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Folks: Talk pages are a place to discuss changes to articles, not a platform for personal views on a topic.
The theory that this incident was about a drug deal is mentioned in the article and covered in the book promoting that theory. There's significant criticism of that book's theory.
I question the neutrality of an experienced Wikipedia editor would say "there is no basis for the the widely accepted and broadly asserted Confirmation bias meme that it was because he was gay." That assertion is easily refuted by a cursory read of the article. For example, the killer's defense asserted that he killed Shepard because he was gay while under a state of temporary insanity. Furthermore, the various reliable sources cited in the article present that his sexuality was related to his murder.
I sense that people have strong feelings about this and related topics, but I recommend stepping back and keeping WP:ADVOCACY and WP:NOTABOUTYOU in mind. Davidwbaker ( talk) 16:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
"He was killed because he was gay" is unsourced and not in the article. But that narrative was promoted and was and is still widely believed. It looks like more sources are starting to point all of that out. North8000 ( talk) 21:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
He was killed by people who he had sexual relations with in the past. Matthew used and sold meth, and its factually inaccurate to say he was killed for being gay. 2600:1005:B08D:F75F:F939:8239:4022:427F ( talk) 22:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
[2] https://www.thefp.com/p/the-story-of-matthew-shepards-murder-92b Pengortm ( talk) 20:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved: no consensus to do so, and proposer verges on withdrawall of the proposition. ( non-admin closure) Kevin McE ( talk) 20:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Matthew Shepard → Murder of Matthew Shepard – WP:VICTIM: Shepard was not a notable person, he was the victim of a crime. The crime is what is notable, and the information about Shepard is background. HandsomeFella ( talk) 07:26, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
LavenderLagoon, please re-read the source you are using and have a look at the article again. The source you are using states: Even Cal Rerucha, the prosecutor who had pushed for the death sentence for McKinney and Henderson, would later concede on ABC’s 20/20 that “it was a murder that was driven by drugs.” The Rerucha quote you keep readding relates to the 2004 20/20 story, not the 2013 Book of Matt.
In the previous version of the article, the quote you added duplicated, out-of-sequence, the description of the 20/20 story. I have since separated out the 20/20 story and The Book of Matt into different subsections, as their content was quite different and they were separated by 9 years in time. In the current version of the article, the quote you have re-added duplicates, out-of-sequence, this sentence from the 20/20 section: Rerucha said, "It was a murder that was once again driven by drugs.", cited to the original ABC story from 2004.-- Trystan ( talk) 12:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not that well versed on Wikipedia's guidelines, but shouldn't this page be renamed to "Murder of Matthew Shepard," since that's what it's mostly about? Section titles like "Arrests and trial" don't really make sense if the page title is just his name. TheThingy Talk 18:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Early in the article is this confusing sentence:
"Both McKinney and Henderson were convicted of the murder, and each of them received two consecutive life sentences."
Later, referring only to McKinney, it twice states that he received "...two consecutive life sentences."
Since there was only a single murder, how would each defendant be sentenced to "two [my emphasis] consecutive life sentences"? Espaqu ( talk) 01:24, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
He was killed during a robbery because he was a drug dealer 2600:8805:C08:7100:91F9:6E98:A1B8:C1CE ( talk) 10:51, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Folks: Talk pages are a place to discuss changes to articles, not a platform for personal views on a topic.
The theory that this incident was about a drug deal is mentioned in the article and covered in the book promoting that theory. There's significant criticism of that book's theory.
I question the neutrality of an experienced Wikipedia editor would say "there is no basis for the the widely accepted and broadly asserted Confirmation bias meme that it was because he was gay." That assertion is easily refuted by a cursory read of the article. For example, the killer's defense asserted that he killed Shepard because he was gay while under a state of temporary insanity. Furthermore, the various reliable sources cited in the article present that his sexuality was related to his murder.
I sense that people have strong feelings about this and related topics, but I recommend stepping back and keeping WP:ADVOCACY and WP:NOTABOUTYOU in mind. Davidwbaker ( talk) 16:27, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
"He was killed because he was gay" is unsourced and not in the article. But that narrative was promoted and was and is still widely believed. It looks like more sources are starting to point all of that out. North8000 ( talk) 21:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
He was killed by people who he had sexual relations with in the past. Matthew used and sold meth, and its factually inaccurate to say he was killed for being gay. 2600:1005:B08D:F75F:F939:8239:4022:427F ( talk) 22:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
[2] https://www.thefp.com/p/the-story-of-matthew-shepards-murder-92b Pengortm ( talk) 20:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)