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This article should be titled Martin van Buren. "Van Buren" is correct when the forename is omitted.
I agree with this. You (correctly) state the name of his father as Abraham van Buren.
What is that one reliance? What was van Buren referring to?
Cowboydan76 01:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
you are?
To be honest, i find it hard to believe that one of the famous quotes Attributed to Van Buren in this time period is, and i quote, "Miller sucks c0ck". This phrase is in the second to last paragraph of the section. i would normally just edit it out and restore the history, but it is locked, so i am reporting it here.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to mention the Trail of Tears in the "presidency" section? I'm not at all familiar with the subject (i.e. President Van Buren) so I'm really just asking — Hillel 08:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I can't seem to find my original research on Old Kinderhook, but apparently popular songs at the time were written about Van Buren's corruption.
Popular songs and poetry at the time was written about everything, true or not. With a less literate culture and fewer newspapers (copies were passed around because they were dear), there was a premium on communicating through memorable, easily repeatable ditties. Don't tell Madison Avenue.
But if you can track down pictures of some old broadsheets, those might be good illustrations for the article. Sam 13:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC) (please sign your posts with four "tildes" (~).
"...and the only whose first language was not English." What was his first language then? -- NormalAsylum (talk)
Did Van Buren ever produce any literary works in Dutch? Even if he knew perhaps 4,000 words in Dutch and could carry on a basic conversation, it doesn't mean Dutch was his first language. Patchouli 11:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
A recent NPR story mentioned Dutch was his first language and that he was fully fluent in both Dutch and English. Also, when in politics he occassionally was noted to revert to swearing in Dutch when very angry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.126.178 ( talk) 15:29, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Van buren seems to come up a lot
It is messy and could use some help
Is Van Buren the first President of whom we have a photo? -- 85.176.2.85 12:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I think someone should change the photo of Van Buren...
there are more photos of Van Buren and other presidents if you look around —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viperman123 ( talk • contribs) 21:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Where are the photos you have in mind? 24.36.74.15 ( talk) 21:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Do I correctly understand that Van Buren was Jewish or at least had some Jewish blood relatives?
For your kind information, Van Buren wasn't even distantly jewish. He was Protestant.
MY DEAR SIR, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS FAITH, I ASKED WHETHER HE WAS OF JEWISH NATIONALITY. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
I think it is more correct to say there is Jewish ethnicity which is separate from Judaism. Jewish nationalism is generally referred to as Zionism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.126.178 ( talk) 15:30, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
At the US History Museaum in DC there's a computer terminal where you can vote for your favorite president. I chose van Buren as a joke; an 'error' message popped up and the terminal was thereafter unusuable. "Voting for Martin van Buren as 'Favorite President' has been known to destroy computers" should perhaps be added? -- Xiaphias 12:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I saw on TV that the term OK (okay) came from the abbreviation of Old Kinderhook. Any of you Van Buren experts know if this is true or worth including in the article. Mantion 00:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
That seems unlikely. I could believe that he is the first President to have been born a United States Citizen. I'll change it unless anyone has an explanation. DJ Clayworth ( talk) 20:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
When the The United States of America came into being is a matter of definition. We FIRST declared ourselves the United States of America in 1776, when the original 13 colonies declared independence as the United States of America on July 2; The Declaration of Independence was adopted on July 4; after our victory over the British are Saratoga, the first international recognition of our independence and existence as a separate nation, came from France in 1777. The Articles of Confederation were adopted that same year, but it wasn't until the 1783 Treaty of Paris where we can say unequivocally that our existence as a separate and independent nation was unfettered. It is probably too debatable to say that Van Buren was the first President who was born a US citizen, since the independence of the US was still in question, and the definition of citizenship of the US was not even defined until done so in the US Constitution.
The US Department of State provides a list of all the Secretaries of state here. Those who also held the office of President are Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, JQ Adams, Van Buren and Buchanan. The US Senate provides a list of all the Vice Presidents here. Those who also held the office of President are Jefferson, Van Buren, Tyler, Fillmore, A Johnson, Arthur, T Roosevelt, Coolidge, Truman, Nixon, L Johnson, Ford and Bush the First. Those who are on both lists are Jefferson and Van Buren. The same information can easily be found on Wikipedia. The two lists could be cited, allowing people to compare for themselves, but this information is so public and so easy of access that a citation seems (to me, at least) unnecessary. 24.36.74.15 ( talk) 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Why does Little Magician redirect here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.139.85.108 ( talk) 23:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Van Buren was referred to (typically by adversaries, I believe) as "The Little Magician." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yx7791 ( talk • contribs) 01:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at old Presidential photographs, and I noticed that the print from the Brady/Handy collection are attribute either Brady or Handy as the author of the photo. Handy's bio says that he was apprenticed to Brady when he was twelve. Van Buren died in 1862, when Handy was less than seven years old. The date of the photo was traced to between 1860 and 1862. That would mean Brady would have been between four and seven years old. Doesn't it seem highly unlikely that Handy would have authored the photo?
BMW ( talk) 02:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the O.K Club in this article? http://am-perspectives.blogspot.com/2011/04/ok-club.html Regardless of where the word "O.K" came from, the political club founded by Van Buren's supporters should probably get a mention. Mloren ( talk) 01:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I understand he grew up in a heavily Dutch area of New York (I am descended from people who lived in the same area), and that he may very well have spoken Dutch at home and been bilingual his whole life. But is there any reason to list the Dutch spelling of Martin? Is there any any any reason to believe that his name was ever spelled that way? Why is this on there?
Uac1530 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC).
Why is Free Soil listed as his primary party in the table on the right with Democratic listed as another party? While all the parties currently listed should continue to be listed, it strikes me that Democratic should be the primary party as that is the party he helped create and the party he was a member of when he served as Vice President and President. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.139.216 ( talk) 13:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure where in the article to say it, but should we mention that Van Buren was short? http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/martinvanburen That helps explain "Little Magician", the cartoon showing Jackson carrying him, and "little Van" in the Tippecanoe and Tyler Too song. 2601:8:B500:862:AC24:8E9A:5AD0:738C ( talk) 17:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
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"... Martin Van Buren learned as a young man to make a positive impression by dressing ...." The beginning & end of this sentence from https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Martin_Van_Buren&oldid=646916638 is a Copvio (I have only provided the non-copyvio text here). I have reported it at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2015 February 13. If it is removed, please do not restore it. Peaceray ( talk) 16:27, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I understand he grew up in a heavily Dutch area of New York (I am descended from people who lived in the same area), and that he may very well have spoken Dutch at home and been bilingual his whole life. But is there any reason to list the Dutch spelling of Martin? Is there any any any reason to believe that his name was ever spelled that way? Why is this on there?
Uac1530 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC).
It strikes me that the second paragraph of the lede is unduly filled with personal information and downright trivia about Van Buren and perhaps should be re-focused to give the reader more about Van Buren's accomplishments, which were not trivial.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 05:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
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After being accused of vested interests I just wish to say that I was merely being faithful to the source, which actually isn't merely about "states' rights". Lutie ( talk) 00:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Alright, let's have it out. I think a blanket revert ill-advised. What you are saying is that nothing there is worth keeping, and I don't think that's justifiable.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Under Early life and education...
Martin Van Buren would become the only U.S. president who spoke English as a second language, and the only one prior to John F. Kennedy not to be of principally British descent.
This should read "Dwight D. Eisenhower" as he was of German (Pennsylvania Dutch) ancestry and he preceded John F. Kennedy as President. 199.115.187.37 ( talk) 18:04, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Billmckern, performed this revert citing an issue with the word "tern" and "Democrat Party". however, if you check the diff, this revert didn't fix either of these problems. these edits were introduced much earlier by another editor. to find them. you can use the page history link, and the diff links for each edit. to undo them, you have to select a span of edits and undo the entire span. since Billmckern doesn't understand how this works, I went ahead and rolled back the offending edits. note that this also rolled back Billmckern's contribution in the middle, found here. I will leave it to Billmckern add that back if he/she finds it was important. Frietjes ( talk) 15:02, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
i'm nominating for GA since the revscore indicates FA https://ores.wmflabs.org/scores/enwiki/wp10/712056762/ -- Duckduckstop ( talk) 18:02, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
"Van Buren's inability as president to deal with the economic chaos of the Panic of 1837 and with the surging Whig Party led to his defeat in the 1840 election."
Really? Someone just wrote that without any bibliographical references? Van Buren's inauguration and the Panic of 1837 were only a few weeks apart, yet the Panic of 1837 and his electoral defeat in 1840 were separated by years. What evidence is there to make such a claim? I eat a tuna sandwich today and three years later I die: did the sandwich kill me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oulipal ( talk • contribs) 12:34, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Although one source states that MVB was "the middle child of nine children", I haven't been able to find documentation for more than 8. Therefore I deleted this sentence in the article. A subsequent revision re-inserted that statement. I am going to take it out again; I am not trying to start an edit war, but if you can't find evidence of who #9 is, please don't re-add that line. TIA -- Spray787 ( talk) 00:34, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
The following lines (Early life and education section) utilize URL cites which are not acceptable per WP:DEEPLINK:
The memorials section seems excessively long to me. Would anyone object to me creating a subarticle devoted to memorials, much like Memorials to Warren G. Harding? Orser67 ( talk) 06:33, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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Italic text Martin was a senator from New York a vice president and the 8th president of the united states born in Kinderhook Columbia County N.Y he attended the village schools studies law admitted to the bar and commenced practice in Hudson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.222.241 ( talk) 23:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Ivar the Boneful: I have been attempting to reduce over-linking according to this section of the style guide, which is a significant problem in this article—and you are engaging in a wholesale revert war. Furthermore, you have been verbally abusive in your comments. I have documented the justification for my edits, so kindly justify your reverts. And desist from verbal abuse or I will engage administrative assistance in this matter. — Dilidor ( talk) 16:55, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Discuss and !vote here: Talk:Van_Buren#Requested_move_29_January_2017. (intentionally unsigned) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Born2cycle ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Last month, user Unklscrufy uploaded his own colourised picture of Van Buren. As it is his own creation, he does not need to ask for permission to use it and he has released it under a Creative Commons licence as you can see here, which makes it appropriate to use on Wikipedia pages. As for usage of original images and specifically photo manipulation, more info about Wikipedia's policy can be found under the "original images" subheading on the WP:NOR page here. Relevant quotes are shown below.
"Original images created by a Wikipedian are not considered original research, so long as they do not illustrate or introduce unpublished ideas or arguments, the core reason behind the NOR policy" -- Therefore this does not break the WP:NOR policy.
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"Manipulated images should be prominently noted as such." -- The caption clearly states colourised.
"Any manipulated image where the encyclopedic value is materially affected should be posted to Wikipedia:Files for discussion." -- Similarly the encyclopaedic value is only slightly improved and not necessarily significantly affected.
As a result, the colourised picture is appropriate for use here so I have decided to revert it. Snkn179 ( talk) 14:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
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Van Buren owned slaves as a young man, but by 1827 he had none, in keeping with New York's gradual emancipation law. In addition, there is a well-known story from the mid-1820s concerning Van Buren and slavery. His personal valet Tom "ran away" and Van Buren made no attempt to find him. When another upstate New York resident found Tom living in Massachusetts, he attempted to buy Tom from Van Buren. Van Buren secretly and intentionally set a high purchase price and stringent conditions for Tom's recapture. These facts, added to the fact that even if recaptured the former slave would be released in 1827, caused the prospective buyer to give up, which Van Buren probably intended. Allowing Tom to secretly remain in Massachusetts unmolested enabled Van Buren to avoid offending southern slave owners, which would happen if he publicly allowed a former slave to remain free. But he also avoided offending northern abolitionists, which would be the case if he captured and re-enslaved a former slave. Here is a reference. Here is another.
I don't see how someone who sent to such lengths to ensure someone's continued freedom fit into the "racism" category.
Billmckern ( talk) 00:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
The only US president not related to any other US president as of October 2020, although one individual claims he has researched and all Presidents so far are related. https://www.wcia.com/news/could-trump-be-related-to-every-president/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:4E02:9580:C17:7CAB:BF96:23BF ( talk) 03:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Today I changed Martin Van Buren's Wikipedia picture from a black and white photograph to a color painting. The reason I did this is while the black and white photograph was taken after Van Buren was in office, the color painting was taken just a few years before Van Buren was president and thus probably is a better representation of Van Buren while he was president. -- Helloguyswhatisup ( talk) 20:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I found a better painting of Martin Van Buren, which was from around 1837-1838, and thus is a painting of Martin Van Buren from either when he was President of the United States or President-Elect. Here is the painting:
-- Helloguyswhatisup ( talk) 14:25, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Putting the years the Wikipedia images for Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson and Van Buren were created seems like a good compromise. Make their Wikipedia pictures photographs, but make sure people know when those photographs were made (after those Presidents were in office). I like these new changes
I wanted to add a picture of either the coin or the silver medal to break up the text, but I don't know how to do that. Could anyone point me to the appropriate instructions? Thanks. ScarletPlanet ( talk) 20:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
" He was the first president to have been born after the American Revolution" isn't true since he was born during the Revolution. Perhaps he is known as the first President born after the Declaration of Independence? Ealtram ( talk) 19:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
It's a Dutch name, and it should be van Buren, not Van Buren. Amazing how this got overlooked for over 2 decades. Aquatic Ambiance ( talk) 10:41, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that he changed his legal name from "Maarten" to "Martin"? I think we have proof on the page that he was baptized as "Maarten", so if his legal name was never changed perhaps the lede should be changed to:
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This article should be titled Martin van Buren. "Van Buren" is correct when the forename is omitted.
I agree with this. You (correctly) state the name of his father as Abraham van Buren.
What is that one reliance? What was van Buren referring to?
Cowboydan76 01:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
you are?
To be honest, i find it hard to believe that one of the famous quotes Attributed to Van Buren in this time period is, and i quote, "Miller sucks c0ck". This phrase is in the second to last paragraph of the section. i would normally just edit it out and restore the history, but it is locked, so i am reporting it here.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to mention the Trail of Tears in the "presidency" section? I'm not at all familiar with the subject (i.e. President Van Buren) so I'm really just asking — Hillel 08:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I can't seem to find my original research on Old Kinderhook, but apparently popular songs at the time were written about Van Buren's corruption.
Popular songs and poetry at the time was written about everything, true or not. With a less literate culture and fewer newspapers (copies were passed around because they were dear), there was a premium on communicating through memorable, easily repeatable ditties. Don't tell Madison Avenue.
But if you can track down pictures of some old broadsheets, those might be good illustrations for the article. Sam 13:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC) (please sign your posts with four "tildes" (~).
"...and the only whose first language was not English." What was his first language then? -- NormalAsylum (talk)
Did Van Buren ever produce any literary works in Dutch? Even if he knew perhaps 4,000 words in Dutch and could carry on a basic conversation, it doesn't mean Dutch was his first language. Patchouli 11:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
A recent NPR story mentioned Dutch was his first language and that he was fully fluent in both Dutch and English. Also, when in politics he occassionally was noted to revert to swearing in Dutch when very angry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.126.178 ( talk) 15:29, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Van buren seems to come up a lot
It is messy and could use some help
Is Van Buren the first President of whom we have a photo? -- 85.176.2.85 12:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I think someone should change the photo of Van Buren...
there are more photos of Van Buren and other presidents if you look around —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viperman123 ( talk • contribs) 21:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Where are the photos you have in mind? 24.36.74.15 ( talk) 21:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Do I correctly understand that Van Buren was Jewish or at least had some Jewish blood relatives?
For your kind information, Van Buren wasn't even distantly jewish. He was Protestant.
MY DEAR SIR, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS FAITH, I ASKED WHETHER HE WAS OF JEWISH NATIONALITY. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
I think it is more correct to say there is Jewish ethnicity which is separate from Judaism. Jewish nationalism is generally referred to as Zionism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.126.178 ( talk) 15:30, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
At the US History Museaum in DC there's a computer terminal where you can vote for your favorite president. I chose van Buren as a joke; an 'error' message popped up and the terminal was thereafter unusuable. "Voting for Martin van Buren as 'Favorite President' has been known to destroy computers" should perhaps be added? -- Xiaphias 12:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I saw on TV that the term OK (okay) came from the abbreviation of Old Kinderhook. Any of you Van Buren experts know if this is true or worth including in the article. Mantion 00:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
That seems unlikely. I could believe that he is the first President to have been born a United States Citizen. I'll change it unless anyone has an explanation. DJ Clayworth ( talk) 20:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
When the The United States of America came into being is a matter of definition. We FIRST declared ourselves the United States of America in 1776, when the original 13 colonies declared independence as the United States of America on July 2; The Declaration of Independence was adopted on July 4; after our victory over the British are Saratoga, the first international recognition of our independence and existence as a separate nation, came from France in 1777. The Articles of Confederation were adopted that same year, but it wasn't until the 1783 Treaty of Paris where we can say unequivocally that our existence as a separate and independent nation was unfettered. It is probably too debatable to say that Van Buren was the first President who was born a US citizen, since the independence of the US was still in question, and the definition of citizenship of the US was not even defined until done so in the US Constitution.
The US Department of State provides a list of all the Secretaries of state here. Those who also held the office of President are Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, JQ Adams, Van Buren and Buchanan. The US Senate provides a list of all the Vice Presidents here. Those who also held the office of President are Jefferson, Van Buren, Tyler, Fillmore, A Johnson, Arthur, T Roosevelt, Coolidge, Truman, Nixon, L Johnson, Ford and Bush the First. Those who are on both lists are Jefferson and Van Buren. The same information can easily be found on Wikipedia. The two lists could be cited, allowing people to compare for themselves, but this information is so public and so easy of access that a citation seems (to me, at least) unnecessary. 24.36.74.15 ( talk) 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Why does Little Magician redirect here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.139.85.108 ( talk) 23:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Van Buren was referred to (typically by adversaries, I believe) as "The Little Magician." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yx7791 ( talk • contribs) 01:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at old Presidential photographs, and I noticed that the print from the Brady/Handy collection are attribute either Brady or Handy as the author of the photo. Handy's bio says that he was apprenticed to Brady when he was twelve. Van Buren died in 1862, when Handy was less than seven years old. The date of the photo was traced to between 1860 and 1862. That would mean Brady would have been between four and seven years old. Doesn't it seem highly unlikely that Handy would have authored the photo?
BMW ( talk) 02:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the O.K Club in this article? http://am-perspectives.blogspot.com/2011/04/ok-club.html Regardless of where the word "O.K" came from, the political club founded by Van Buren's supporters should probably get a mention. Mloren ( talk) 01:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I understand he grew up in a heavily Dutch area of New York (I am descended from people who lived in the same area), and that he may very well have spoken Dutch at home and been bilingual his whole life. But is there any reason to list the Dutch spelling of Martin? Is there any any any reason to believe that his name was ever spelled that way? Why is this on there?
Uac1530 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC).
Why is Free Soil listed as his primary party in the table on the right with Democratic listed as another party? While all the parties currently listed should continue to be listed, it strikes me that Democratic should be the primary party as that is the party he helped create and the party he was a member of when he served as Vice President and President. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.139.216 ( talk) 13:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure where in the article to say it, but should we mention that Van Buren was short? http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/martinvanburen That helps explain "Little Magician", the cartoon showing Jackson carrying him, and "little Van" in the Tippecanoe and Tyler Too song. 2601:8:B500:862:AC24:8E9A:5AD0:738C ( talk) 17:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Martin Van Buren by Mathew Brady c1855-58.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on December 5, 2013. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2013-12-05. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 22:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
"... Martin Van Buren learned as a young man to make a positive impression by dressing ...." The beginning & end of this sentence from https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Martin_Van_Buren&oldid=646916638 is a Copvio (I have only provided the non-copyvio text here). I have reported it at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2015 February 13. If it is removed, please do not restore it. Peaceray ( talk) 16:27, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I understand he grew up in a heavily Dutch area of New York (I am descended from people who lived in the same area), and that he may very well have spoken Dutch at home and been bilingual his whole life. But is there any reason to list the Dutch spelling of Martin? Is there any any any reason to believe that his name was ever spelled that way? Why is this on there?
Uac1530 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC).
It strikes me that the second paragraph of the lede is unduly filled with personal information and downright trivia about Van Buren and perhaps should be re-focused to give the reader more about Van Buren's accomplishments, which were not trivial.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 05:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
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After being accused of vested interests I just wish to say that I was merely being faithful to the source, which actually isn't merely about "states' rights". Lutie ( talk) 00:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Alright, let's have it out. I think a blanket revert ill-advised. What you are saying is that nothing there is worth keeping, and I don't think that's justifiable.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Under Early life and education...
Martin Van Buren would become the only U.S. president who spoke English as a second language, and the only one prior to John F. Kennedy not to be of principally British descent.
This should read "Dwight D. Eisenhower" as he was of German (Pennsylvania Dutch) ancestry and he preceded John F. Kennedy as President. 199.115.187.37 ( talk) 18:04, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Billmckern, performed this revert citing an issue with the word "tern" and "Democrat Party". however, if you check the diff, this revert didn't fix either of these problems. these edits were introduced much earlier by another editor. to find them. you can use the page history link, and the diff links for each edit. to undo them, you have to select a span of edits and undo the entire span. since Billmckern doesn't understand how this works, I went ahead and rolled back the offending edits. note that this also rolled back Billmckern's contribution in the middle, found here. I will leave it to Billmckern add that back if he/she finds it was important. Frietjes ( talk) 15:02, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
i'm nominating for GA since the revscore indicates FA https://ores.wmflabs.org/scores/enwiki/wp10/712056762/ -- Duckduckstop ( talk) 18:02, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
"Van Buren's inability as president to deal with the economic chaos of the Panic of 1837 and with the surging Whig Party led to his defeat in the 1840 election."
Really? Someone just wrote that without any bibliographical references? Van Buren's inauguration and the Panic of 1837 were only a few weeks apart, yet the Panic of 1837 and his electoral defeat in 1840 were separated by years. What evidence is there to make such a claim? I eat a tuna sandwich today and three years later I die: did the sandwich kill me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oulipal ( talk • contribs) 12:34, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Although one source states that MVB was "the middle child of nine children", I haven't been able to find documentation for more than 8. Therefore I deleted this sentence in the article. A subsequent revision re-inserted that statement. I am going to take it out again; I am not trying to start an edit war, but if you can't find evidence of who #9 is, please don't re-add that line. TIA -- Spray787 ( talk) 00:34, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
The following lines (Early life and education section) utilize URL cites which are not acceptable per WP:DEEPLINK:
The memorials section seems excessively long to me. Would anyone object to me creating a subarticle devoted to memorials, much like Memorials to Warren G. Harding? Orser67 ( talk) 06:33, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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Typically for Wikipedia, this section has more about fictional and popular references than it has about real memorials. I've tried to rebalance this a little. Richard75 ( talk) 00:35, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
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Italic text Martin was a senator from New York a vice president and the 8th president of the united states born in Kinderhook Columbia County N.Y he attended the village schools studies law admitted to the bar and commenced practice in Hudson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.222.241 ( talk) 23:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Ivar the Boneful: I have been attempting to reduce over-linking according to this section of the style guide, which is a significant problem in this article—and you are engaging in a wholesale revert war. Furthermore, you have been verbally abusive in your comments. I have documented the justification for my edits, so kindly justify your reverts. And desist from verbal abuse or I will engage administrative assistance in this matter. — Dilidor ( talk) 16:55, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Discuss and !vote here: Talk:Van_Buren#Requested_move_29_January_2017. (intentionally unsigned) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Born2cycle ( talk • contribs) 00:20, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Last month, user Unklscrufy uploaded his own colourised picture of Van Buren. As it is his own creation, he does not need to ask for permission to use it and he has released it under a Creative Commons licence as you can see here, which makes it appropriate to use on Wikipedia pages. As for usage of original images and specifically photo manipulation, more info about Wikipedia's policy can be found under the "original images" subheading on the WP:NOR page here. Relevant quotes are shown below.
"Original images created by a Wikipedian are not considered original research, so long as they do not illustrate or introduce unpublished ideas or arguments, the core reason behind the NOR policy" -- Therefore this does not break the WP:NOR policy.
"It is not acceptable for an editor to use photo manipulation to distort the facts or position illustrated by an image." -- The facts and position are not distorted.
"Manipulated images should be prominently noted as such." -- The caption clearly states colourised.
"Any manipulated image where the encyclopedic value is materially affected should be posted to Wikipedia:Files for discussion." -- Similarly the encyclopaedic value is only slightly improved and not necessarily significantly affected.
As a result, the colourised picture is appropriate for use here so I have decided to revert it. Snkn179 ( talk) 14:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:VAN BUREN, Martin-President (BEP engraved portrait).jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on December 5, 2020. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2020-12-05. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 08:57, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
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Van Buren owned slaves as a young man, but by 1827 he had none, in keeping with New York's gradual emancipation law. In addition, there is a well-known story from the mid-1820s concerning Van Buren and slavery. His personal valet Tom "ran away" and Van Buren made no attempt to find him. When another upstate New York resident found Tom living in Massachusetts, he attempted to buy Tom from Van Buren. Van Buren secretly and intentionally set a high purchase price and stringent conditions for Tom's recapture. These facts, added to the fact that even if recaptured the former slave would be released in 1827, caused the prospective buyer to give up, which Van Buren probably intended. Allowing Tom to secretly remain in Massachusetts unmolested enabled Van Buren to avoid offending southern slave owners, which would happen if he publicly allowed a former slave to remain free. But he also avoided offending northern abolitionists, which would be the case if he captured and re-enslaved a former slave. Here is a reference. Here is another.
I don't see how someone who sent to such lengths to ensure someone's continued freedom fit into the "racism" category.
Billmckern ( talk) 00:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
The only US president not related to any other US president as of October 2020, although one individual claims he has researched and all Presidents so far are related. https://www.wcia.com/news/could-trump-be-related-to-every-president/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:4E02:9580:C17:7CAB:BF96:23BF ( talk) 03:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Today I changed Martin Van Buren's Wikipedia picture from a black and white photograph to a color painting. The reason I did this is while the black and white photograph was taken after Van Buren was in office, the color painting was taken just a few years before Van Buren was president and thus probably is a better representation of Van Buren while he was president. -- Helloguyswhatisup ( talk) 20:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I found a better painting of Martin Van Buren, which was from around 1837-1838, and thus is a painting of Martin Van Buren from either when he was President of the United States or President-Elect. Here is the painting:
-- Helloguyswhatisup ( talk) 14:25, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Putting the years the Wikipedia images for Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson and Van Buren were created seems like a good compromise. Make their Wikipedia pictures photographs, but make sure people know when those photographs were made (after those Presidents were in office). I like these new changes
I wanted to add a picture of either the coin or the silver medal to break up the text, but I don't know how to do that. Could anyone point me to the appropriate instructions? Thanks. ScarletPlanet ( talk) 20:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
" He was the first president to have been born after the American Revolution" isn't true since he was born during the Revolution. Perhaps he is known as the first President born after the Declaration of Independence? Ealtram ( talk) 19:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
It's a Dutch name, and it should be van Buren, not Van Buren. Amazing how this got overlooked for over 2 decades. Aquatic Ambiance ( talk) 10:41, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that he changed his legal name from "Maarten" to "Martin"? I think we have proof on the page that he was baptized as "Maarten", so if his legal name was never changed perhaps the lede should be changed to: