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"born to a Jewish family" is a racial stereotype. If the person is Jewish, just say it. ----me.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.180.63 ( talk • contribs) .
Yes you can be born to a Jewish family without being a practicing Jew, but this is just perpetuating a racial stereotype. What is the motivatation for promoting this racial stereotype? Are you obsessed with this? How about adding "born to a Christian family" to other articles? I don't understand what you mean by leaving a summary remark. My rationale should be clear. ----me—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.180.63 ( talk • contribs) .
There are indeed racial stereotypes about Jewish families, just as there are stereotypes about Asian families and black families. Why don't you start adding "born to an Asian family" and "born to a black family" to articles, Dcflyer? Why is there an obsession with promoting a stereotype about Jewish families? There's nothing wrong with saying someone is Jewish, if they are Jewish. Just say it directly, don't promote the "Jewish family" stereotype. ----Signed, me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.180.63 ( talk • contribs) .
Can someone provide more info on his friendships with Steve McQueen and James Dean?
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I cannot agree more with the remarks by the original commentator. This is a common problem on Wikipedia. It is always promulgated by non-Jews who have no conception of what it means to be Jewish and how sensitive the "labeling" otherwise can be. First and foremost, Martin Landau IS Jewish, was born to a Jewish PRACTICING AND OBSERVANT family in Brooklyn, NY. The family was very much a part of the local Jewish community. Mr. Landau has never renounced his Judaism. Why would he? Therefore, there can be no question of his ethnic/cultural and religious heritage- He is Jewish. Let this be the end of a ridiculous and convoluted argument. I will further add that this specifically and only arises as it pertains to those of the Jewish faith and heritage; we never see such bickering of ethnic persuasion attributed to any other race, creed, religion, culture or ethnicity. The same convoluted argument has arisen on Wiki pages of similarly famous Jewish names- Stanley Kubrick is just one example. It is always and only raised by non-Jews who, for some reason, insist on marginalizing and/or diminishing the identity of a Jewish individual. We can conclude from such accusations, and that is exactly what they are, that these comments border on antisemitism and certainly qualify as utter ignorance. "Born to a Jewish family" IS marginalization and outrageously inappropriate. It would only be appropriate if the individual had outwardly repudiated his Jewish heritage and was publicly known. Perhaps Dostoevsky is not Russian but only of "Russian descent"? And Jesse Owens is only of "African origin"? Maybe JFK was not Irish Catholic but only "born to Catholic parents"? This is an affront plain and simple. M.P. Landau ( talk) 02:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't need to cite an 'article' or 'source.' I AM the source. I am a member of the Landau family and have known through personal experience the facts to which I attest. Mr. Landau grew up, if I recall correctly, in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn. It is ridiculous that one would have to argue this point. Beyond that, my reasoning stands unto itself: the entire argument is an affront to Jewish people and to the Landau family. I will attempt to correct the article as you note. Thanks for your assistance. M.P. Landau ( talk) 03:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
The fact that neither of you can see calling a Jewish individual Jewish is proper and right, and that you would look for reasons otherwise to not call them so, speaks to your ignorance. Sandy Koufax? Jewish. Philip Roth? Jewish. Albert Einstein? Jewish. Woody Allen? Jewish. Larry David? Jewish. Are you really going to insist on calling every Jewish individual "born to Jewish parents" unless a citation on the internet can document their religious practice? That is not only faulty in logic, but it IS in fact treading on antisemitism, or at the very least a coarse and insensitive read on the topic. It marginalizes the individual's origins. And it DOES infer a distance from their Jewish identity, which is the crime herein: 'downplaying' (diminishing) one's identity is re-writing history. My examples are congruent and to the point; the fact you cannot see it speaks further to your lack of understanding. Being Jewish is far more than practicing and observing the Jewish faith; in fact, it often has little to do with faith and belief and has much more to do with family heritage and ethnic culture. It has as much to do with a sense of place in society and one's orientation to the population. Additionally, your "requirement" that I provide an internet source is beyond ridiculous; I could provide numerous links to demonstrate Donald Rumsfeld is a space alien, it wouldn't take much searching...I challenge your allegation that I am inaccurate in stating that only a non-Jew could possibly come up with such a convoluted 'requirement'. Tell me please, are you Jewish? I didn't think so. And may I add Jewish people are NOT A RACE. In fact, Jewish people encompass numerous races, most of which are Caucasian. Martin Landau is Jewish and nothing you can say changes that fact. M.P. Landau ( talk) 13:29, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
The Leonard Nimoy biography says that he joined the show "mission impossible" when Martin Landau left the show. However, this biography fails to explain why Landau left the show, which was one of his most most acclaimed roles in movies and T.V. It would be good to explain why he left. SystemBuilder ( talk) 06:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
iMDB, grandmas, people you know are not reliable sources. The Washington Post lists his DoB as 1928. You can't view the entire article but an excerpt from the Boston Globe also lists 1928 being the correct date. These I would consider reliable sources. Q T C 08:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I am looking at this book now. The International Television and Video Alamanac is a thick book. It lists his birthdate as 1930, not 1931.
Someone is lying. 1928, 1930, 1931. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigerrorhere ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
The 1931 reference is space199.net, not the best resource. It's also an interview so the guy may be trying to look younger. My book is the best source and it is 1930. We must look like a joke and laughing stock if Martin is reading this and see's that we bought his fiction, lock stock and barrel. So 1930 should be it unless we can show that 1928 is more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigerrorhere ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
MarnetteD asked me to chime in here since I have some experience hunting down birthdates. The databases I usually use list his birthdate as "June 20, 1931?" so they are obviously unsure about that date. Googing reveals that less reliable sources are all over the map, from 1928 to 34. I've searched in various places but haven't had any luck. Since the Boston Globe is the only reliable source that discusses his birthdate - as opposed to just dropping it in passing as a random factoid - I think we should go with that source until it is answered definitively by a biography, a journalist digging into the matter, or an obituary. Gamaliel ( talk) 03:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi, its long ago but I imagine I was commenting in regard to notability and his exact date of birth is not a part of his notability, but I agree it is an important part of his persondata - One recent solution has been to add circa to the birth year but personally I didn't like that option. User:Gamiel has some good research tools and if he/she can't ascertain without doubt then I accept that there is doubt. I also like the Boston Globe source and date as that is accessible online and also explains that there is some variance in the reporting. Off2riorob ( talk) 11:48, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Landau was born in 1928. I have been able to locate him on the 1930 U.S. Census with his parents in Brooklyn. Dated April 14, 1930, it states that he was 1 year and 9 months old. I've never updated a Wikipedia article before, but I'll work on adding a citation shortly. Editrix71 ( talk) 14:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Addendum: It is unclear to me whether including this information would be a privacy issue. Does Mr. Landau actually want his birth year to be private? Advice welcome. Editrix71 ( talk) 14:29, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
MarnetteD: When you reverted my edit, you said I needed to "provide definitive proof this is the consensus version." I'm not sure how to go about building or proving the consensus you're asking for. Would you be willing to at least review the document I cited? Editrix71 ( talk) 04:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Martin Landau the actor was born in 1928 in Brooklyn, NY. End of controversy. M.P. Landau ( talk) 02:08, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Landau discussed this with Bob Costas on "Later with Bob Costas." It is not a legend. He auditioned for the part but decided the role was not of interest to him, although he indicated that "Lenny Nimoy" did a great job with it. 96.231.121.135 ( talk) 23:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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Can we include a picture of him from his prime rather than all of them being from his later years. Followed here from another article which mentioned him; trying to put a face to the familiar-sounding name. This article didn't help, so a quick Google Images check, and my reaction was "Oh! Him?!" I am sure I am not the only person. Sometimes a "he played xxx character" is not enough when memories of character names from old programs are not as clear as they use to be (OTOH, faces have sticking power, and may be recognized by people even if one has never seen any of the works the person has been in). — al-Shimoni ( talk) 08:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Is the career photo better than the 2010 event candid for the lead? Discussion above. -- Light show ( talk) 01:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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To the various IPs you must present WP:VERIFIABLE reliable sourceing for the edit you are trying to make. The current version does have a source. Your claim of "death certificate" does not meet Wikipedia's requirements. MarnetteD| Talk 01:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
You are 100% wrong, it is not a tautology, no Science fiction. There are various ways for a blood count to drop without blood leaving the system. There are conditions in which your body can use blood in the same way a car uses oil, thereby losing volume without a leak. It is definitely possible to go into hypovolemic shock without internal bleeding in his case it was preceded by internal bleeding but his cause of death was hypovolemic shock as I stated. There is an image of the death certificate which is more than the Daily Mail has on its site. I am striving for accuracy and you are quoting a tabloid website. At least TMZ backs up their statement with a copy of the death certificate that one can view. And no one has ever disputed the accuracy of these death certificates when they have posted them where the Daily Mail is regularly challenged and not at all considered accurate.
Death certificates are a public record here in the United States. I am quoting a verifiable public record and you are quoting a tabloid website. The information was neither misleading nor Superfluous it is 100% accurate. Stating that he died of abdominal Hemorrhage is not close to accurate. And I am sure that the powers that be at Wikipedia wish their pages to be as accurate as possible. I suggest you do a little bit of research on Google before making arrogant inaccurate statements that make you look as ridiculous as you are. Adamsapple3041 ( talk) 20:08, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
See: Hemolytic Anemia could be the cause. This is an autoimmune disorder whereby your body begins to attack and destroy its own red blood cells. This could be caused by tumors but often the cause is unknown. After transfusions to raise the count to normal, patients are treated with steroids and immunosuppressant medications. What do you know that is a condition in which you can lose blood volume without bleeding it seems you don't know everything after all you are far too arrogant for your own good. Adamsapple3041 ( talk) 20:12, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
And to be crystal clear this is only one example of many that exist. You could go into hypovolemic shock from this condition which proves that you are wrong. It is not a tautism, as you say. If you were going to Levy and insult of any kind at least be accurate in your statement otherwise you come off sounding arrogant and misinformed. I quoted a verifiable accurate legal source. I still do not understand what the issue is in that respect you insist on putting something that is connected to a tabloid of dubious distinction in the Daily Mail. TMZ backs up their facts with legal verifiable documents Adamsapple3041 ( talk) 20:15, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
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In the opening credits of Mission Impossible, they show Landau with a cigarette in his hand. Did he smoke in his personal life?, or was that simply a stage gimmick for Mission Impossible? If he smoked, it may have contributed to his heart disease, although he lived a pretty long life. Thanks in advance to anybody who knows. Betathetapi454 ( talk) 16:14, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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"born to a Jewish family" is a racial stereotype. If the person is Jewish, just say it. ----me.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.180.63 ( talk • contribs) .
Yes you can be born to a Jewish family without being a practicing Jew, but this is just perpetuating a racial stereotype. What is the motivatation for promoting this racial stereotype? Are you obsessed with this? How about adding "born to a Christian family" to other articles? I don't understand what you mean by leaving a summary remark. My rationale should be clear. ----me—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.180.63 ( talk • contribs) .
There are indeed racial stereotypes about Jewish families, just as there are stereotypes about Asian families and black families. Why don't you start adding "born to an Asian family" and "born to a black family" to articles, Dcflyer? Why is there an obsession with promoting a stereotype about Jewish families? There's nothing wrong with saying someone is Jewish, if they are Jewish. Just say it directly, don't promote the "Jewish family" stereotype. ----Signed, me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.180.63 ( talk • contribs) .
Can someone provide more info on his friendships with Steve McQueen and James Dean?
Mmortal03 (
talk) 08:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I cannot agree more with the remarks by the original commentator. This is a common problem on Wikipedia. It is always promulgated by non-Jews who have no conception of what it means to be Jewish and how sensitive the "labeling" otherwise can be. First and foremost, Martin Landau IS Jewish, was born to a Jewish PRACTICING AND OBSERVANT family in Brooklyn, NY. The family was very much a part of the local Jewish community. Mr. Landau has never renounced his Judaism. Why would he? Therefore, there can be no question of his ethnic/cultural and religious heritage- He is Jewish. Let this be the end of a ridiculous and convoluted argument. I will further add that this specifically and only arises as it pertains to those of the Jewish faith and heritage; we never see such bickering of ethnic persuasion attributed to any other race, creed, religion, culture or ethnicity. The same convoluted argument has arisen on Wiki pages of similarly famous Jewish names- Stanley Kubrick is just one example. It is always and only raised by non-Jews who, for some reason, insist on marginalizing and/or diminishing the identity of a Jewish individual. We can conclude from such accusations, and that is exactly what they are, that these comments border on antisemitism and certainly qualify as utter ignorance. "Born to a Jewish family" IS marginalization and outrageously inappropriate. It would only be appropriate if the individual had outwardly repudiated his Jewish heritage and was publicly known. Perhaps Dostoevsky is not Russian but only of "Russian descent"? And Jesse Owens is only of "African origin"? Maybe JFK was not Irish Catholic but only "born to Catholic parents"? This is an affront plain and simple. M.P. Landau ( talk) 02:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't need to cite an 'article' or 'source.' I AM the source. I am a member of the Landau family and have known through personal experience the facts to which I attest. Mr. Landau grew up, if I recall correctly, in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn. It is ridiculous that one would have to argue this point. Beyond that, my reasoning stands unto itself: the entire argument is an affront to Jewish people and to the Landau family. I will attempt to correct the article as you note. Thanks for your assistance. M.P. Landau ( talk) 03:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
The fact that neither of you can see calling a Jewish individual Jewish is proper and right, and that you would look for reasons otherwise to not call them so, speaks to your ignorance. Sandy Koufax? Jewish. Philip Roth? Jewish. Albert Einstein? Jewish. Woody Allen? Jewish. Larry David? Jewish. Are you really going to insist on calling every Jewish individual "born to Jewish parents" unless a citation on the internet can document their religious practice? That is not only faulty in logic, but it IS in fact treading on antisemitism, or at the very least a coarse and insensitive read on the topic. It marginalizes the individual's origins. And it DOES infer a distance from their Jewish identity, which is the crime herein: 'downplaying' (diminishing) one's identity is re-writing history. My examples are congruent and to the point; the fact you cannot see it speaks further to your lack of understanding. Being Jewish is far more than practicing and observing the Jewish faith; in fact, it often has little to do with faith and belief and has much more to do with family heritage and ethnic culture. It has as much to do with a sense of place in society and one's orientation to the population. Additionally, your "requirement" that I provide an internet source is beyond ridiculous; I could provide numerous links to demonstrate Donald Rumsfeld is a space alien, it wouldn't take much searching...I challenge your allegation that I am inaccurate in stating that only a non-Jew could possibly come up with such a convoluted 'requirement'. Tell me please, are you Jewish? I didn't think so. And may I add Jewish people are NOT A RACE. In fact, Jewish people encompass numerous races, most of which are Caucasian. Martin Landau is Jewish and nothing you can say changes that fact. M.P. Landau ( talk) 13:29, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
The Leonard Nimoy biography says that he joined the show "mission impossible" when Martin Landau left the show. However, this biography fails to explain why Landau left the show, which was one of his most most acclaimed roles in movies and T.V. It would be good to explain why he left. SystemBuilder ( talk) 06:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
iMDB, grandmas, people you know are not reliable sources. The Washington Post lists his DoB as 1928. You can't view the entire article but an excerpt from the Boston Globe also lists 1928 being the correct date. These I would consider reliable sources. Q T C 08:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
I am looking at this book now. The International Television and Video Alamanac is a thick book. It lists his birthdate as 1930, not 1931.
Someone is lying. 1928, 1930, 1931. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigerrorhere ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
The 1931 reference is space199.net, not the best resource. It's also an interview so the guy may be trying to look younger. My book is the best source and it is 1930. We must look like a joke and laughing stock if Martin is reading this and see's that we bought his fiction, lock stock and barrel. So 1930 should be it unless we can show that 1928 is more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigerrorhere ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
MarnetteD asked me to chime in here since I have some experience hunting down birthdates. The databases I usually use list his birthdate as "June 20, 1931?" so they are obviously unsure about that date. Googing reveals that less reliable sources are all over the map, from 1928 to 34. I've searched in various places but haven't had any luck. Since the Boston Globe is the only reliable source that discusses his birthdate - as opposed to just dropping it in passing as a random factoid - I think we should go with that source until it is answered definitively by a biography, a journalist digging into the matter, or an obituary. Gamaliel ( talk) 03:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi, its long ago but I imagine I was commenting in regard to notability and his exact date of birth is not a part of his notability, but I agree it is an important part of his persondata - One recent solution has been to add circa to the birth year but personally I didn't like that option. User:Gamiel has some good research tools and if he/she can't ascertain without doubt then I accept that there is doubt. I also like the Boston Globe source and date as that is accessible online and also explains that there is some variance in the reporting. Off2riorob ( talk) 11:48, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Landau was born in 1928. I have been able to locate him on the 1930 U.S. Census with his parents in Brooklyn. Dated April 14, 1930, it states that he was 1 year and 9 months old. I've never updated a Wikipedia article before, but I'll work on adding a citation shortly. Editrix71 ( talk) 14:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Addendum: It is unclear to me whether including this information would be a privacy issue. Does Mr. Landau actually want his birth year to be private? Advice welcome. Editrix71 ( talk) 14:29, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
MarnetteD: When you reverted my edit, you said I needed to "provide definitive proof this is the consensus version." I'm not sure how to go about building or proving the consensus you're asking for. Would you be willing to at least review the document I cited? Editrix71 ( talk) 04:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Martin Landau the actor was born in 1928 in Brooklyn, NY. End of controversy. M.P. Landau ( talk) 02:08, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Landau discussed this with Bob Costas on "Later with Bob Costas." It is not a legend. He auditioned for the part but decided the role was not of interest to him, although he indicated that "Lenny Nimoy" did a great job with it. 96.231.121.135 ( talk) 23:34, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Can we include a picture of him from his prime rather than all of them being from his later years. Followed here from another article which mentioned him; trying to put a face to the familiar-sounding name. This article didn't help, so a quick Google Images check, and my reaction was "Oh! Him?!" I am sure I am not the only person. Sometimes a "he played xxx character" is not enough when memories of character names from old programs are not as clear as they use to be (OTOH, faces have sticking power, and may be recognized by people even if one has never seen any of the works the person has been in). — al-Shimoni ( talk) 08:16, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Is the career photo better than the 2010 event candid for the lead? Discussion above. -- Light show ( talk) 01:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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To the various IPs you must present WP:VERIFIABLE reliable sourceing for the edit you are trying to make. The current version does have a source. Your claim of "death certificate" does not meet Wikipedia's requirements. MarnetteD| Talk 01:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
You are 100% wrong, it is not a tautology, no Science fiction. There are various ways for a blood count to drop without blood leaving the system. There are conditions in which your body can use blood in the same way a car uses oil, thereby losing volume without a leak. It is definitely possible to go into hypovolemic shock without internal bleeding in his case it was preceded by internal bleeding but his cause of death was hypovolemic shock as I stated. There is an image of the death certificate which is more than the Daily Mail has on its site. I am striving for accuracy and you are quoting a tabloid website. At least TMZ backs up their statement with a copy of the death certificate that one can view. And no one has ever disputed the accuracy of these death certificates when they have posted them where the Daily Mail is regularly challenged and not at all considered accurate.
Death certificates are a public record here in the United States. I am quoting a verifiable public record and you are quoting a tabloid website. The information was neither misleading nor Superfluous it is 100% accurate. Stating that he died of abdominal Hemorrhage is not close to accurate. And I am sure that the powers that be at Wikipedia wish their pages to be as accurate as possible. I suggest you do a little bit of research on Google before making arrogant inaccurate statements that make you look as ridiculous as you are. Adamsapple3041 ( talk) 20:08, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
See: Hemolytic Anemia could be the cause. This is an autoimmune disorder whereby your body begins to attack and destroy its own red blood cells. This could be caused by tumors but often the cause is unknown. After transfusions to raise the count to normal, patients are treated with steroids and immunosuppressant medications. What do you know that is a condition in which you can lose blood volume without bleeding it seems you don't know everything after all you are far too arrogant for your own good. Adamsapple3041 ( talk) 20:12, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
And to be crystal clear this is only one example of many that exist. You could go into hypovolemic shock from this condition which proves that you are wrong. It is not a tautism, as you say. If you were going to Levy and insult of any kind at least be accurate in your statement otherwise you come off sounding arrogant and misinformed. I quoted a verifiable accurate legal source. I still do not understand what the issue is in that respect you insist on putting something that is connected to a tabloid of dubious distinction in the Daily Mail. TMZ backs up their facts with legal verifiable documents Adamsapple3041 ( talk) 20:15, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
References
In the opening credits of Mission Impossible, they show Landau with a cigarette in his hand. Did he smoke in his personal life?, or was that simply a stage gimmick for Mission Impossible? If he smoked, it may have contributed to his heart disease, although he lived a pretty long life. Thanks in advance to anybody who knows. Betathetapi454 ( talk) 16:14, 24 September 2022 (UTC)