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It's all mythology anyway so what is the point of a discussion on contradictions? Every culture has different ideas on the subject of course there are going to be contradictions. Has anyone thought of that or are you all too busy editing Wikipedia the way you like it? -- Not a User —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.65.198 ( talk) 06:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Reverted to the old version, 29 October. 207.103.166.40 changed it to a link that didn't work anyway. -- Stormwriter
Added two names by which Ares was worshipped. According to the source article, these forms occured in both Greek and Roman mythology.
Although an initial browse with internet search function "Google" reveals more articles related to the Bible (mostly Antichrist at that) than solid evidence of said worship, putting those names in here will (hopefully) inspire in-house research for its validation. 201.29.144.21 03:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
A look at http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/mgodsandgoddesses/g/062509RomanWarGodMars.htm would validate you along with other titles granted to Mars. Scribeofargos ( talk) 00:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The name of "Mars" would come from the indo-european name of the god of war *Mawor(t)- (X. Delamarre, "Indo-European vocabular", Paris, 1984).
A comparison between the warlike indian Maruts and Mars is the source of this reconstruction. We may add the latvian god, Martins, protector of the country.
Else, Quirinus and Gradivus are only latin epithets, not hellenic.
Best regards. -- 83.203.180.224 11:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Mars had sex with Rhea? Rhea had sex with Atlas? What are the references for this? Since when is Zeus the son of Atlas? Romans the "sons of freaks".
I deleted the entry; I did a google search, and the only reference to the whole thing was this article. T@nn 08:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there really any reason for the disambig? Either people followed the right links or they didn't, and I can't imagine someone looking for the planet to type "(mythology)" at the end… but maybe I'm missing something. — Lenoxus 07:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Any idea why the one reference is repeated so many times? Corvus cornix 21:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anone who has contributed to this page verify if this edit [1] is correct? Thanks Giano 12:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The section on etymology contains this quote.
"There may also be a connection with the Roman war god Mars, via hypothetical Proto-Indo-European *M̥rēs; compare Ancient Greek μάρναμαι (marnamai), "to fight, to battle"."
and then it's cited. I'm not expert on this stuff, but I think someone like an expert on this stuff should have a look at it.
-- Leodmacleod ( talk) 06:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
The source seems reputable, but it only says it's a possible link so it isn't super important. Random hypotheses may not be appropriate but, when it comes to etymology, it is a for-interest and not valueless point. Regardless, there is no contradiction, it's just that this article does not contain that particular piece of information. I am going to remove the notice.
Telanis ( talk) 18:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
The article states the name Mars is not of IE origin. On what authority? It is certainly IE, from a root MAS with along A meaning power, stregth, virility.(Preller 1858) See Lat. marius, masculine, maritus. The Etruscan Maris derives from Italic Mars and not the other way round. Mars was the Roman god of war and his connexion to agriculture has generated lengthy disputes. This idea was first supported by German scholars and then by H.J.Rose in the middle XX century. It seems his protective function in agriculture was mainly a negative one and he was invoked in rituals (eg Carmen Arvale) for abstaining from causing damage to the harvest, similar to the way Robigus was worshipped to not destroy wheat by the flamen quirinalis. I would suggest editing the article. If nobody objects I shall do some editing in the next days. Aldrasto ( talk) 11:17, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Other error: Mars is the son of Juno but not of Jupiter: Juno generated him alone Aldrasto ( talk) 11:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Oscan name of Mars. Böri ( talk) 11:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
another mane for mars is aresBold text
The augusti are always so damn slippery. Here's a very minor quibble; I'm comfortable with everything but "it also implied that the deity and the emperor were one"; in some way, yes, but also not. August seems more a divine quality shared. There's an interesting passage in John Lott, The Neighborhoods of Augustan Rome, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 2004, pp. 107 - 117. I summarised his argument in footnote 222 of Imperial cult (ancient Rome). More of the same at Lares. Haploidavey ( talk) 17:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
This etymology is linguistically impossible. Perhaps also the one I gave here from mas/maris proposed by Preller. Here above somebody gave a better one. The Maruts are the sons of Indra and may be compared with the Salii. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 13:36, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I found some dubious and some untenable points.
Untenable: Mars's consort is not Nerio. Nerio is a feminine entity usually defined as his paredra along Moles and Heries like for other gods Hora and Virites Quirini, Heries (Martis) or Iovis, Salacia and Venilia Neptuni, Lua Saturni who were invoked by the pointiffs together with the god. They are considered generally to represent an aspect or the power of the god (cf. Latte as I quoted in di indigetes). According to Dumezil Nerio is an ancient IE word associated with a noun that in Latin did not survive but is attested in Greek aner, man and Vedic god Indra. Meaning not sexual virility but manliness in the sense of moral valour, bravery.
A disputed point is the agrarian interpretation of Mars. It has been presented at length by Dumezil and other subsequent French scholars. If one accepts Dumezil's trifunctional ideology underlying the structure of the archaic triad then clearly it is impossible to propose an agrarian interpretation of the nature of this god. He may well be related to human fertility as the divine ancestor worshipped by the Italic peoples, but certainly not as a god of agriculture: the function of agricultural fertility being proper of Ceres, Ops and in the archaic triad of Quirinus. Quirinus is in fact connected with the cult of Ops at the Consualia in which his flamen officiates.(Mars is called ferus in the carmen arvale: I read Schilling (in Bonnefoy) interprets this epithet as ferocious, violent and refuses the meaning of belonging to the wild. I am not so certain of this: see the meaning of Feronia, in fact is the goddess of the wilderness). Dumezil maintained Mars's agricultural function consisted in that of armed protection of crops: he explaines in this light Cato's prayer and the carmen arvale (sali limen, sta berber). On the different function of the two flamines of Mars and Quirinus Dumezil devotes an exhaustive discussion in his ARR. It is a fabled story that Palmer ever refused to read Dumezil, consequently to him they have remained obscure. The cults related to Mars were officiated by his flamen even though perhaps only the Equus October is certainly attested but other are probable (Armilustrium, Equirria) and those involving the flamen quirinalis were the Quirinalia known as Fornacalia, the Opiconsivia, the Larentalia, the Robigalia. This shows one god was a god of war and the other of agriculture, wealth, and civil life. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 09:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
The claim that the October Horse sacrifice to Mars is the sole example of an inedible offering needs to be justified. Horse meat is indeed edible, as anyone who has ever been to France knows well. Is the author claiming that horse meat is inedible, which is manifestly untrue, or is s/he claiming that the Romans *regarded* horse meat as inedible? If the former claim, this is incorrect and needs to be edited; if the latter claim, this needs to be backed up with citation. 95.145.220.239 ( talk) 10:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
(Just moving this comment down the page, where it'll be noticed). The passage is an accurate representation of its source, which confirms that the Romans regarded horse-flesh as abhorrent, thus inedible. I'll make that clear, and hope not to burden a very pleasantly written paragraph with more stilted prose. Haploidavey ( talk) 12:27, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Although to me the GA nom for this article was premature, I've been trying to address some deficiencies in case a reviewer decides to go with it. Would like to hear some suggestions. Right now I'm working through the provincial epithets, and am wondering whether that list ought to be spun off into another article. I thought I'd just keep working through it in situ for now, but all opinions welcome. There are still some other aspects of Mars that ought to be covered, and some stronger citations are needed in spots. Cynwolfe ( talk) 22:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Just wish to say that among the paredrae invoked by the pontiffs there is also Moles perhaps in the plural. I would expand: Etymology (list some hypotheses), In religion and Priesthoods. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 01:01, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hello,
I made a section on Syrian Mars that referenced the following information from the following source: http://www.roman-britain.org/places/camulodunum.htm. The relevant info on this website is written below:
DEO MARTI MEDOCIO CAMPESIVM ET VICTORIE ALEXANDRI PII FELICIS AVGVSTI NOSI DONVM LOSSIO VEDA DE SVO POSVIT NEPOS VEPOGENI CALEDO
"To the god of the battlefields Mars Medocius,¹ and to the victory of [Imperator Caesar Marcus Aurelius Severus] Alexander Pius Felix Augustus,² Lossius Veda the grandson of Vepogenus Caledos,³ placed [this] offering out of his own [funds]." (RIB 191; bronze ansate plate; dated: AD222-35)
1.This god is otherwise unknown in Britain, and may be of Syrian origin.
2.The emperor Alexander Severus, who was named Caesar by his cousin the extravagant young emperor Elagabalus in AD221, and was proclaimed emperor on 13th March the following year, after his cousin was murdered in Rome by elements of the praetorian guard. This emperor was to spend most of his rule fighting against the Persians in the east, the hereditary enemies of his ancestors who were of Syrian descent. Severus Alexander was murdered at Vicus Britannicus (Bretzenheim, Germany) by soldiers under the command of the usurper Maximinus Thrax in March 235. He was buried at Rome.
3.These names are obviously not Roman, and again may be Syrian in origin.
Why was it removed? Is the source unreliable? Or was it poorly written? Perhaps the ambiguity around whether the epithet is Syrian or not wasn't clear enough in the section?
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At least should say the ancestor of the Italic peoples... Aldrasto11 ( talk) 14:06, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page as proposed at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 23:55, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
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This article mentions several times how Mars is the Roman equivalent to the Greek Ares, but emphasises early on how Greek literature in contradistinction taught that Ares was "evil" or "repulsive". This was the prevailing standpoint of Athenian Greek literature but most certainly not the view of the Spartans who worshipped Ares in general quite unlike the Athenians. Although both Greeks, the Spartan Ares is somewhat different from the Athenian Ares. The Spartans liked the traits Ares had so they were perfectly fine with having a special religious devotion to him. Athens worshipped the goddess Athena especially, who was much less aggressive, unlike Ares. The Spartans were a war cult who obviously the Romans would have called Martian in character in the sense of a practical devotion to Mars apparent. I'm suggesting this here in response to this confused/mistaken comment from the user listed in the reverting action at https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Mars_(mythology)&oldid=1100297669
There's plenty of source material to look at. My main suggestion is for a special mention to clarify who he was for the Romans and Greeks specifically in a sentence or paragraph mentioning Sparta or maybe even add a section highlighting the peculiar relationship between Ares/Mars in Greco-Roman religion. Since for the Romans they accepted Ares, but the Athenians and in general other Greeks were hostile before extensive Romanization. The Romans had some Spartan characteristics already. 184.71.97.170 ( talk) 06:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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It's all mythology anyway so what is the point of a discussion on contradictions? Every culture has different ideas on the subject of course there are going to be contradictions. Has anyone thought of that or are you all too busy editing Wikipedia the way you like it? -- Not a User —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.65.198 ( talk) 06:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Reverted to the old version, 29 October. 207.103.166.40 changed it to a link that didn't work anyway. -- Stormwriter
Added two names by which Ares was worshipped. According to the source article, these forms occured in both Greek and Roman mythology.
Although an initial browse with internet search function "Google" reveals more articles related to the Bible (mostly Antichrist at that) than solid evidence of said worship, putting those names in here will (hopefully) inspire in-house research for its validation. 201.29.144.21 03:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
A look at http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/mgodsandgoddesses/g/062509RomanWarGodMars.htm would validate you along with other titles granted to Mars. Scribeofargos ( talk) 00:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The name of "Mars" would come from the indo-european name of the god of war *Mawor(t)- (X. Delamarre, "Indo-European vocabular", Paris, 1984).
A comparison between the warlike indian Maruts and Mars is the source of this reconstruction. We may add the latvian god, Martins, protector of the country.
Else, Quirinus and Gradivus are only latin epithets, not hellenic.
Best regards. -- 83.203.180.224 11:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Mars had sex with Rhea? Rhea had sex with Atlas? What are the references for this? Since when is Zeus the son of Atlas? Romans the "sons of freaks".
I deleted the entry; I did a google search, and the only reference to the whole thing was this article. T@nn 08:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there really any reason for the disambig? Either people followed the right links or they didn't, and I can't imagine someone looking for the planet to type "(mythology)" at the end… but maybe I'm missing something. — Lenoxus 07:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Any idea why the one reference is repeated so many times? Corvus cornix 21:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anone who has contributed to this page verify if this edit [1] is correct? Thanks Giano 12:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The section on etymology contains this quote.
"There may also be a connection with the Roman war god Mars, via hypothetical Proto-Indo-European *M̥rēs; compare Ancient Greek μάρναμαι (marnamai), "to fight, to battle"."
and then it's cited. I'm not expert on this stuff, but I think someone like an expert on this stuff should have a look at it.
-- Leodmacleod ( talk) 06:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
The source seems reputable, but it only says it's a possible link so it isn't super important. Random hypotheses may not be appropriate but, when it comes to etymology, it is a for-interest and not valueless point. Regardless, there is no contradiction, it's just that this article does not contain that particular piece of information. I am going to remove the notice.
Telanis ( talk) 18:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
The article states the name Mars is not of IE origin. On what authority? It is certainly IE, from a root MAS with along A meaning power, stregth, virility.(Preller 1858) See Lat. marius, masculine, maritus. The Etruscan Maris derives from Italic Mars and not the other way round. Mars was the Roman god of war and his connexion to agriculture has generated lengthy disputes. This idea was first supported by German scholars and then by H.J.Rose in the middle XX century. It seems his protective function in agriculture was mainly a negative one and he was invoked in rituals (eg Carmen Arvale) for abstaining from causing damage to the harvest, similar to the way Robigus was worshipped to not destroy wheat by the flamen quirinalis. I would suggest editing the article. If nobody objects I shall do some editing in the next days. Aldrasto ( talk) 11:17, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Other error: Mars is the son of Juno but not of Jupiter: Juno generated him alone Aldrasto ( talk) 11:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Oscan name of Mars. Böri ( talk) 11:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
another mane for mars is aresBold text
The augusti are always so damn slippery. Here's a very minor quibble; I'm comfortable with everything but "it also implied that the deity and the emperor were one"; in some way, yes, but also not. August seems more a divine quality shared. There's an interesting passage in John Lott, The Neighborhoods of Augustan Rome, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 2004, pp. 107 - 117. I summarised his argument in footnote 222 of Imperial cult (ancient Rome). More of the same at Lares. Haploidavey ( talk) 17:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
This etymology is linguistically impossible. Perhaps also the one I gave here from mas/maris proposed by Preller. Here above somebody gave a better one. The Maruts are the sons of Indra and may be compared with the Salii. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 13:36, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I found some dubious and some untenable points.
Untenable: Mars's consort is not Nerio. Nerio is a feminine entity usually defined as his paredra along Moles and Heries like for other gods Hora and Virites Quirini, Heries (Martis) or Iovis, Salacia and Venilia Neptuni, Lua Saturni who were invoked by the pointiffs together with the god. They are considered generally to represent an aspect or the power of the god (cf. Latte as I quoted in di indigetes). According to Dumezil Nerio is an ancient IE word associated with a noun that in Latin did not survive but is attested in Greek aner, man and Vedic god Indra. Meaning not sexual virility but manliness in the sense of moral valour, bravery.
A disputed point is the agrarian interpretation of Mars. It has been presented at length by Dumezil and other subsequent French scholars. If one accepts Dumezil's trifunctional ideology underlying the structure of the archaic triad then clearly it is impossible to propose an agrarian interpretation of the nature of this god. He may well be related to human fertility as the divine ancestor worshipped by the Italic peoples, but certainly not as a god of agriculture: the function of agricultural fertility being proper of Ceres, Ops and in the archaic triad of Quirinus. Quirinus is in fact connected with the cult of Ops at the Consualia in which his flamen officiates.(Mars is called ferus in the carmen arvale: I read Schilling (in Bonnefoy) interprets this epithet as ferocious, violent and refuses the meaning of belonging to the wild. I am not so certain of this: see the meaning of Feronia, in fact is the goddess of the wilderness). Dumezil maintained Mars's agricultural function consisted in that of armed protection of crops: he explaines in this light Cato's prayer and the carmen arvale (sali limen, sta berber). On the different function of the two flamines of Mars and Quirinus Dumezil devotes an exhaustive discussion in his ARR. It is a fabled story that Palmer ever refused to read Dumezil, consequently to him they have remained obscure. The cults related to Mars were officiated by his flamen even though perhaps only the Equus October is certainly attested but other are probable (Armilustrium, Equirria) and those involving the flamen quirinalis were the Quirinalia known as Fornacalia, the Opiconsivia, the Larentalia, the Robigalia. This shows one god was a god of war and the other of agriculture, wealth, and civil life. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 09:56, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
The claim that the October Horse sacrifice to Mars is the sole example of an inedible offering needs to be justified. Horse meat is indeed edible, as anyone who has ever been to France knows well. Is the author claiming that horse meat is inedible, which is manifestly untrue, or is s/he claiming that the Romans *regarded* horse meat as inedible? If the former claim, this is incorrect and needs to be edited; if the latter claim, this needs to be backed up with citation. 95.145.220.239 ( talk) 10:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
(Just moving this comment down the page, where it'll be noticed). The passage is an accurate representation of its source, which confirms that the Romans regarded horse-flesh as abhorrent, thus inedible. I'll make that clear, and hope not to burden a very pleasantly written paragraph with more stilted prose. Haploidavey ( talk) 12:27, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Although to me the GA nom for this article was premature, I've been trying to address some deficiencies in case a reviewer decides to go with it. Would like to hear some suggestions. Right now I'm working through the provincial epithets, and am wondering whether that list ought to be spun off into another article. I thought I'd just keep working through it in situ for now, but all opinions welcome. There are still some other aspects of Mars that ought to be covered, and some stronger citations are needed in spots. Cynwolfe ( talk) 22:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Just wish to say that among the paredrae invoked by the pontiffs there is also Moles perhaps in the plural. I would expand: Etymology (list some hypotheses), In religion and Priesthoods. Aldrasto11 ( talk) 01:01, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hello,
I made a section on Syrian Mars that referenced the following information from the following source: http://www.roman-britain.org/places/camulodunum.htm. The relevant info on this website is written below:
DEO MARTI MEDOCIO CAMPESIVM ET VICTORIE ALEXANDRI PII FELICIS AVGVSTI NOSI DONVM LOSSIO VEDA DE SVO POSVIT NEPOS VEPOGENI CALEDO
"To the god of the battlefields Mars Medocius,¹ and to the victory of [Imperator Caesar Marcus Aurelius Severus] Alexander Pius Felix Augustus,² Lossius Veda the grandson of Vepogenus Caledos,³ placed [this] offering out of his own [funds]." (RIB 191; bronze ansate plate; dated: AD222-35)
1.This god is otherwise unknown in Britain, and may be of Syrian origin.
2.The emperor Alexander Severus, who was named Caesar by his cousin the extravagant young emperor Elagabalus in AD221, and was proclaimed emperor on 13th March the following year, after his cousin was murdered in Rome by elements of the praetorian guard. This emperor was to spend most of his rule fighting against the Persians in the east, the hereditary enemies of his ancestors who were of Syrian descent. Severus Alexander was murdered at Vicus Britannicus (Bretzenheim, Germany) by soldiers under the command of the usurper Maximinus Thrax in March 235. He was buried at Rome.
3.These names are obviously not Roman, and again may be Syrian in origin.
Why was it removed? Is the source unreliable? Or was it poorly written? Perhaps the ambiguity around whether the epithet is Syrian or not wasn't clear enough in the section?
15:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Razumukhin ( talk • contribs)
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At least should say the ancestor of the Italic peoples... Aldrasto11 ( talk) 14:06, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page as proposed at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 23:55, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
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This article mentions several times how Mars is the Roman equivalent to the Greek Ares, but emphasises early on how Greek literature in contradistinction taught that Ares was "evil" or "repulsive". This was the prevailing standpoint of Athenian Greek literature but most certainly not the view of the Spartans who worshipped Ares in general quite unlike the Athenians. Although both Greeks, the Spartan Ares is somewhat different from the Athenian Ares. The Spartans liked the traits Ares had so they were perfectly fine with having a special religious devotion to him. Athens worshipped the goddess Athena especially, who was much less aggressive, unlike Ares. The Spartans were a war cult who obviously the Romans would have called Martian in character in the sense of a practical devotion to Mars apparent. I'm suggesting this here in response to this confused/mistaken comment from the user listed in the reverting action at https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Mars_(mythology)&oldid=1100297669
There's plenty of source material to look at. My main suggestion is for a special mention to clarify who he was for the Romans and Greeks specifically in a sentence or paragraph mentioning Sparta or maybe even add a section highlighting the peculiar relationship between Ares/Mars in Greco-Roman religion. Since for the Romans they accepted Ares, but the Athenians and in general other Greeks were hostile before extensive Romanization. The Romans had some Spartan characteristics already. 184.71.97.170 ( talk) 06:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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