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Please report from reliable sources and add references. Please do not report what has not been reported without referencing it. -- Kleopatra ( talk) 21:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Are you making up new policy on the fly? As long as something is true that is an absolute defence to any claim of libel or ill faith. And that applies whether something has been "reported" or not. As long as its true, got it? Daniels Weeking ( talk) 21:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC).
I've removed several unneeded subheads in the section about the Giffords shooting - yes, this is of course an important part of his life story, but with the headers it was starting to get too much weight in this article about his whole life and career. The detail could probably be cut down a bit too, but I didn;t do that, just removed section heads that were not adding anything and tightened language, combined paragraphs for readability and MOS considerations, and changed first name refs to surname as is wiki style. Tvoz/ talk 20:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I think it is misleading to say that "Kelly is commander of STS-134". Maybe some sources say that his is currently commander, but STS-134 has not yet begun. To say that he is the commander could be misinterpreted as suggesting the mission has already begun. No information is lost by saying "Kelly is scheduled to be commander of STS-134" (which is also true!), so for clarity, I think this should be changed in the lead. Mlm42 ( talk) 05:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
NASA calls him the commander. The mission does not begin at liftoff--it begins well before with planning and training. See NASA press release, where . . .
"Participants will include: -- Mark Kelly, commander, STS-134 -- Peggy Whitson, chief, Astronaut Office -- Brent Jett, chief, Flight Crew Operations Directorate"
Release at http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/feb/HQ_11-036_Kelly_Returns.html
A lot more goes into a flight than the flight itself and personnel are in their roles once a mission is defined and training begins.-- Utahredrock ( talk) 16:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
References are much cleaned up tonight, but could still use work. Per Tvoz, most are not formatted correctly which I see when comparing to the heavily edited Obama page.-- Utahredrock ( talk) 06:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Kelly suggested during an in-orbit press conference that the wake-up songs should be made known to the crew in advance when he said:
I believe the following was in his NASA bio at one point, or maybe somebody who knows him added it. We need a source for:
"While attending the USMMA, he achieved the position of Regimental Executive Officer, the second-highest position in the Regiment of Midshipmen, known informally as "RX"."-- Utahredrock ( talk) 17:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
This has been removed until/unless a source is found.-- Utahredrock ( talk) 17:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Kelly's steadfast optimism offered hope for his wife's recovery.
And a source: Hopper, Jessica (January 26, 2011). "Gabrielle Giffords' Nurse: 'She Smiles, She Knows' That She's Lucky". ABC News. Retrieved February 9, 2011. -- Utahredrock ( talk) 00:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
This article looks pretty good, and in particular it appears to satisfy the B-class criteria. A few stylistic points:
With generous input from MLM42 and Tvoz, the lead has been significantly reworked.-- Utahredrock ( talk) 00:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, it's generally looking good, and thanks for all the work that's been put into this article. Mlm42 ( talk) 18:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
By the way, as per WP:INTEGRITY, it's preferable to only have one ref-tag at a time. That guideline page describes how to bundle multiple sources into a single footnote. Mlm42 ( talk) 02:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I think the biggest thing that might hold this article back from getting GA status is that amount of quotes in the Tucson shooting section - because it makes the article less neutral (GA criteria 4). At the moment it seems over half of all words in this section are part of a quotation.. pretty much every paragraph has multiple quotations. This should be reduced..(again, see WP:QUOTEFARM) I think it would be a huge improvement if this were reduced to about three or four key quotations for the entire "Personal life" section. Mlm42 ( talk) 03:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
←MLM42, thanks for your measured replies. Some points I think are good, some I disagree with still. I need to let this sit for a bit. Hopefully I will stick by that and spend less time on the article than I did last week. If I succeed there, I'll still be back for more edits/improvements. With respect, -- Utahredrock ( talk) 05:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
An article should avoid the editor's point of view. Per policy, "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is non-negotiable and all editors and articles must follow it."
This does not mean that an article should avoid the POV of the subject. In fact editors have a duty to write objectively about a subject, and at times that includes the subject's POV (in a bio especially). Inclusion of such information in an article doesn't mean an editor agrees or disagrees with that POV. The question is, does it accurately represent the views of the subject of the bio--as reported by reliable sources?-- Utahredrock ( talk) 16:08, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved per consensus here and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight#Astronaut article titles JaGa talk 20:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Mark E. Kelly → Mark Kelly (astronaut) — As per WP:QUALIFIER, using the middle initial to disambiguate his name is not usual, so I think using his profession is preferable. This is a widespread issue (see Category:American astronauts), because the official NASA biographies often use their middle initial. -- Mlm42 ( talk) 19:28, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I think the article should be titled "Mark Kelly (astronaut)", as per the policy WP:QUALIFIER. It's a pretty straight forward application of this policy, I think. The page move I did was reverted, so I'm bringing this up here. Although in his NASA biography is titled "Mark E. Kelly" (which is pressumably where all the astronaut articles get their names), this isn't the common name. News organization refer to him just as Mark Kelly, and indeed this is how he refers to himself. Mlm42 ( talk) 17:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
* Martin Luther King, Sr. and Martin Luther King, Jr. (note also Martin Luther King III) * John F. Kennedy and John F. Kennedy, Jr.
* William Henry (gunsmith), William Henry (chemist), William Henry (congressman), William Henry (actor), ...
Support per WP:QUALIFIER and just some good old-fashioned common sense. Notice that in the usual way part of WP:QUALIFIER initials are only used to disambiguate once (George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush), and in that case the people share the same profession. That's in part why it is usual to differentiate between the two men in this way more than any other. However there is no usual way (at least not in the sense WP:QUALIFIER means) to distinguish random people with the same name, i.e for where there is no set precedent. In that case it makes far more sense to include what the person is most renowned for in the article title to help people find what they want.
I'll reiterate here what I said on the project:
"The whole reason we have guidelines over article titles is to try and direct people as clearly as possible to the information they want to obtain. Lets use some common sense. What is the likelihood they at least know the person's profession? Fairly high I should imagine or they wouldn't be looking them up. What is the likelihood they know the persons middle name? It is clear it makes most sense to disambiguate using the persons profession. The only reason why the article name guidelines say it's preferable to use the subject's name found in reliable sources is because that's often the standard form people will search for them in but in the case of the names of people it's usually a **** poor method of disambiguation. Yeah sure, if the viewer found the biography on the NASA site they might use his name with the initial, but they'll still know he's an astronaut anyway. But most people won't have been on the NASA site." ChiZeroOne ( talk) 23:06, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 20:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
– It's clear to me that the American astronaut and husband of Gabby Giffords is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, as opposed to the other Mark Kelly's. Mark Kelly the astronaut has had 12,368 in the past 30 days ( 40,195 in the past 90 days). The closest another Mark Kelly article is in terms of page views is the keyboardist with 5,204 in the past 90 days. – Muboshgu ( talk) 19:09, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUyoU-juHTk
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/mark-kelly-pulls-dog-off-sea-lion_n_2952911.html
Is this wiki PR or the whole story? I edited will this topic be hidden from history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.112.75 ( talk) 20:23, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
"Do as I say, not as I do peasants", represents a vital characteristic of ethical conduct and frames the illusion of "astronaut hero" with actual day to day realities of societal behaviors in context with personal priorities of entitlement and equality. Que no?
Will the wiki history of Kelly's mendacity, or at minimum double-standard, remain silent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.112.75 ( talk) 20:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Is this comment necessary, or could it be written more clearly? It sounds like Kelly was using THE gun that Giffords was shot with, when in fact he is using the SAME MODEL gun.
In April 2013, Kelly was photographed at his mother-in-law's house in Arizona, with Giffords watching and cheering him on while he used a Glock 9 millimeter for target practice.[50] This is the same gun that was used to shoot Giffords. Zabadu ( talk) 22:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Is this comment necessary, or could it be written more clearly? It sounds like Kelly was using THE gun that Giffords was shot with, when in fact he is using the SAME MODEL gun.
In April 2013, Kelly was photographed at his mother-in-law's house in Arizona, with Giffords watching and cheering him on while he used a Glock 9 millimeter for target practice.[50] This is the same gun that was used to shoot Giffords. Zabadu ( talk) 22:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I find it easy to get confused about which brother is referred by the pronouns in the (4th) paragraph about Mark's brother. I'd suggest using names more and pronouns less but I'll let someone else do it. Fholson 14:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fholson ( talk • contribs)
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Hi fellow Wikipedians, There are attempts to encourage Mr. Kelly to run for office; in the latest go-round it is to run against Sen. Flake in 2018. Is this worthy of note? Here are some examples.
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I understand Mr. Kelly is a former astronaut so the lead image should be his official NASA portrait, but since Beto O'Rourke's 2013 U.S. House official portrait lead image was replaced with a 2019 version to reflect a more recent look of Beto, perhaps we should do the same for Mr. Kelly such as this 2016 or 2019 version:
This is probably a good idea. I might also recommend moving the image with Mr. Gorie up to the NASA career section to make it appear just below the infobox to give a good idea of line from "politician, former astronaut," for users who do read the page particularly extensively. It can also be replaced with the NASA portrait in that location, but portraits probably are best in the infobox section for most recent portrayals of their appearance.
I also considered replacing the initial statement of his position as being neither of those titles but simply " astronaut-politician," as this may best for users just skimming, but, may be inappropriate since he has not actually held any elected office (and I am a new user and the first statement is the most important).
As a former graphic artist though, both of those images are not particularly good. The former has a plain black background and the latter has very poor lighting. I would keep the current one now but do agree with the idea of changing it soonish.
Desz.XCVII ( talk) 10:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Should Kelly's official NASA portrait be included in the infobox for consistency? Other American astronaut-politicians include it, such as Bill Nelson and Jake Garn, while others, such as John Glenn, don't. 2601:88:8101:E300:B044:95EB:EA81:FC1B ( talk) 23:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
According to the respective Wikipedia page, Mark Kelly was sworn in as the junior United States Senator from Arizona. However, his name is not mentioned in Senate roll calls, and Martha McSally’s name is still mentioned. Kelly’s name is not on the Senate member page. McSally’s name is mentioned on the page. Mike Pence, who would be swearing in Kelly, is not currently at the Capitol. I ask that the page be reverted to how it was before until we can know for sure he was sworn in (i.e. video evidence, Kelly’s name in roll calls, etc.). Muhibm0307 ( talk) 17:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
According to C-Span, Mark Kelly will be sworn in at 2 PM EST. https://www.c-span.org/video/?506932-1/swearing-senator-elect-mark-kelly Muhibm0307 ( talk) 18:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
For STS-134, it mentions a papal blessing, and says it was directed to "Giffords" - there was no other astronaut on that flight with that surname, it presumably refers to Kelly using his wife's surname. As referencing Gabby Giffords as "Kelly" would be incorrect, certainly it would be wrong the other way, correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:410:4200:4410:45A:5745:8C73:125A ( talk) 03:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Why does the caption state that this is his official portrait? Is there any evidence for that? Also, I believe SenatorKellyOfficialPhoto (cropped).jpg would be a better photo to use, considering other senators' portraits are not cropped. - Mad Mismagius ( talk) 01:42, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
I will modify the sentence, "After the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting the following year, Giffords and Kelly founded the nonprofit Americans for Responsible Solutions, later renamed Giffords, which campaigns for universal background checks for firearms and red flag laws" to "...which promotes gun control." Only one of the sources for that sentence mentions red flag laws or background checks. However, all three of them mention that either Kelly or the nonprofit promote gun control. The original I think selects policies that seem more moderate which therefore has the effect being misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.137.14 ( talk) 20:51, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please report from reliable sources and add references. Please do not report what has not been reported without referencing it. -- Kleopatra ( talk) 21:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Are you making up new policy on the fly? As long as something is true that is an absolute defence to any claim of libel or ill faith. And that applies whether something has been "reported" or not. As long as its true, got it? Daniels Weeking ( talk) 21:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC).
I've removed several unneeded subheads in the section about the Giffords shooting - yes, this is of course an important part of his life story, but with the headers it was starting to get too much weight in this article about his whole life and career. The detail could probably be cut down a bit too, but I didn;t do that, just removed section heads that were not adding anything and tightened language, combined paragraphs for readability and MOS considerations, and changed first name refs to surname as is wiki style. Tvoz/ talk 20:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I think it is misleading to say that "Kelly is commander of STS-134". Maybe some sources say that his is currently commander, but STS-134 has not yet begun. To say that he is the commander could be misinterpreted as suggesting the mission has already begun. No information is lost by saying "Kelly is scheduled to be commander of STS-134" (which is also true!), so for clarity, I think this should be changed in the lead. Mlm42 ( talk) 05:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
NASA calls him the commander. The mission does not begin at liftoff--it begins well before with planning and training. See NASA press release, where . . .
"Participants will include: -- Mark Kelly, commander, STS-134 -- Peggy Whitson, chief, Astronaut Office -- Brent Jett, chief, Flight Crew Operations Directorate"
Release at http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/feb/HQ_11-036_Kelly_Returns.html
A lot more goes into a flight than the flight itself and personnel are in their roles once a mission is defined and training begins.-- Utahredrock ( talk) 16:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
References are much cleaned up tonight, but could still use work. Per Tvoz, most are not formatted correctly which I see when comparing to the heavily edited Obama page.-- Utahredrock ( talk) 06:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Kelly suggested during an in-orbit press conference that the wake-up songs should be made known to the crew in advance when he said:
I believe the following was in his NASA bio at one point, or maybe somebody who knows him added it. We need a source for:
"While attending the USMMA, he achieved the position of Regimental Executive Officer, the second-highest position in the Regiment of Midshipmen, known informally as "RX"."-- Utahredrock ( talk) 17:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
This has been removed until/unless a source is found.-- Utahredrock ( talk) 17:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Kelly's steadfast optimism offered hope for his wife's recovery.
And a source: Hopper, Jessica (January 26, 2011). "Gabrielle Giffords' Nurse: 'She Smiles, She Knows' That She's Lucky". ABC News. Retrieved February 9, 2011. -- Utahredrock ( talk) 00:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
This article looks pretty good, and in particular it appears to satisfy the B-class criteria. A few stylistic points:
With generous input from MLM42 and Tvoz, the lead has been significantly reworked.-- Utahredrock ( talk) 00:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, it's generally looking good, and thanks for all the work that's been put into this article. Mlm42 ( talk) 18:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
By the way, as per WP:INTEGRITY, it's preferable to only have one ref-tag at a time. That guideline page describes how to bundle multiple sources into a single footnote. Mlm42 ( talk) 02:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I think the biggest thing that might hold this article back from getting GA status is that amount of quotes in the Tucson shooting section - because it makes the article less neutral (GA criteria 4). At the moment it seems over half of all words in this section are part of a quotation.. pretty much every paragraph has multiple quotations. This should be reduced..(again, see WP:QUOTEFARM) I think it would be a huge improvement if this were reduced to about three or four key quotations for the entire "Personal life" section. Mlm42 ( talk) 03:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
←MLM42, thanks for your measured replies. Some points I think are good, some I disagree with still. I need to let this sit for a bit. Hopefully I will stick by that and spend less time on the article than I did last week. If I succeed there, I'll still be back for more edits/improvements. With respect, -- Utahredrock ( talk) 05:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
An article should avoid the editor's point of view. Per policy, "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view. NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia and of other Wikimedia projects. This policy is non-negotiable and all editors and articles must follow it."
This does not mean that an article should avoid the POV of the subject. In fact editors have a duty to write objectively about a subject, and at times that includes the subject's POV (in a bio especially). Inclusion of such information in an article doesn't mean an editor agrees or disagrees with that POV. The question is, does it accurately represent the views of the subject of the bio--as reported by reliable sources?-- Utahredrock ( talk) 16:08, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved per consensus here and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight#Astronaut article titles JaGa talk 20:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Mark E. Kelly → Mark Kelly (astronaut) — As per WP:QUALIFIER, using the middle initial to disambiguate his name is not usual, so I think using his profession is preferable. This is a widespread issue (see Category:American astronauts), because the official NASA biographies often use their middle initial. -- Mlm42 ( talk) 19:28, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I think the article should be titled "Mark Kelly (astronaut)", as per the policy WP:QUALIFIER. It's a pretty straight forward application of this policy, I think. The page move I did was reverted, so I'm bringing this up here. Although in his NASA biography is titled "Mark E. Kelly" (which is pressumably where all the astronaut articles get their names), this isn't the common name. News organization refer to him just as Mark Kelly, and indeed this is how he refers to himself. Mlm42 ( talk) 17:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
* Martin Luther King, Sr. and Martin Luther King, Jr. (note also Martin Luther King III) * John F. Kennedy and John F. Kennedy, Jr.
* William Henry (gunsmith), William Henry (chemist), William Henry (congressman), William Henry (actor), ...
Support per WP:QUALIFIER and just some good old-fashioned common sense. Notice that in the usual way part of WP:QUALIFIER initials are only used to disambiguate once (George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush), and in that case the people share the same profession. That's in part why it is usual to differentiate between the two men in this way more than any other. However there is no usual way (at least not in the sense WP:QUALIFIER means) to distinguish random people with the same name, i.e for where there is no set precedent. In that case it makes far more sense to include what the person is most renowned for in the article title to help people find what they want.
I'll reiterate here what I said on the project:
"The whole reason we have guidelines over article titles is to try and direct people as clearly as possible to the information they want to obtain. Lets use some common sense. What is the likelihood they at least know the person's profession? Fairly high I should imagine or they wouldn't be looking them up. What is the likelihood they know the persons middle name? It is clear it makes most sense to disambiguate using the persons profession. The only reason why the article name guidelines say it's preferable to use the subject's name found in reliable sources is because that's often the standard form people will search for them in but in the case of the names of people it's usually a **** poor method of disambiguation. Yeah sure, if the viewer found the biography on the NASA site they might use his name with the initial, but they'll still know he's an astronaut anyway. But most people won't have been on the NASA site." ChiZeroOne ( talk) 23:06, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 20:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
– It's clear to me that the American astronaut and husband of Gabby Giffords is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, as opposed to the other Mark Kelly's. Mark Kelly the astronaut has had 12,368 in the past 30 days ( 40,195 in the past 90 days). The closest another Mark Kelly article is in terms of page views is the keyboardist with 5,204 in the past 90 days. – Muboshgu ( talk) 19:09, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUyoU-juHTk
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/mark-kelly-pulls-dog-off-sea-lion_n_2952911.html
Is this wiki PR or the whole story? I edited will this topic be hidden from history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.112.75 ( talk) 20:23, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
"Do as I say, not as I do peasants", represents a vital characteristic of ethical conduct and frames the illusion of "astronaut hero" with actual day to day realities of societal behaviors in context with personal priorities of entitlement and equality. Que no?
Will the wiki history of Kelly's mendacity, or at minimum double-standard, remain silent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.226.112.75 ( talk) 20:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Is this comment necessary, or could it be written more clearly? It sounds like Kelly was using THE gun that Giffords was shot with, when in fact he is using the SAME MODEL gun.
In April 2013, Kelly was photographed at his mother-in-law's house in Arizona, with Giffords watching and cheering him on while he used a Glock 9 millimeter for target practice.[50] This is the same gun that was used to shoot Giffords. Zabadu ( talk) 22:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Is this comment necessary, or could it be written more clearly? It sounds like Kelly was using THE gun that Giffords was shot with, when in fact he is using the SAME MODEL gun.
In April 2013, Kelly was photographed at his mother-in-law's house in Arizona, with Giffords watching and cheering him on while he used a Glock 9 millimeter for target practice.[50] This is the same gun that was used to shoot Giffords. Zabadu ( talk) 22:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I find it easy to get confused about which brother is referred by the pronouns in the (4th) paragraph about Mark's brother. I'd suggest using names more and pronouns less but I'll let someone else do it. Fholson 14:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fholson ( talk • contribs)
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I understand Mr. Kelly is a former astronaut so the lead image should be his official NASA portrait, but since Beto O'Rourke's 2013 U.S. House official portrait lead image was replaced with a 2019 version to reflect a more recent look of Beto, perhaps we should do the same for Mr. Kelly such as this 2016 or 2019 version:
This is probably a good idea. I might also recommend moving the image with Mr. Gorie up to the NASA career section to make it appear just below the infobox to give a good idea of line from "politician, former astronaut," for users who do read the page particularly extensively. It can also be replaced with the NASA portrait in that location, but portraits probably are best in the infobox section for most recent portrayals of their appearance.
I also considered replacing the initial statement of his position as being neither of those titles but simply " astronaut-politician," as this may best for users just skimming, but, may be inappropriate since he has not actually held any elected office (and I am a new user and the first statement is the most important).
As a former graphic artist though, both of those images are not particularly good. The former has a plain black background and the latter has very poor lighting. I would keep the current one now but do agree with the idea of changing it soonish.
Desz.XCVII ( talk) 10:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Should Kelly's official NASA portrait be included in the infobox for consistency? Other American astronaut-politicians include it, such as Bill Nelson and Jake Garn, while others, such as John Glenn, don't. 2601:88:8101:E300:B044:95EB:EA81:FC1B ( talk) 23:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
According to the respective Wikipedia page, Mark Kelly was sworn in as the junior United States Senator from Arizona. However, his name is not mentioned in Senate roll calls, and Martha McSally’s name is still mentioned. Kelly’s name is not on the Senate member page. McSally’s name is mentioned on the page. Mike Pence, who would be swearing in Kelly, is not currently at the Capitol. I ask that the page be reverted to how it was before until we can know for sure he was sworn in (i.e. video evidence, Kelly’s name in roll calls, etc.). Muhibm0307 ( talk) 17:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
According to C-Span, Mark Kelly will be sworn in at 2 PM EST. https://www.c-span.org/video/?506932-1/swearing-senator-elect-mark-kelly Muhibm0307 ( talk) 18:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
For STS-134, it mentions a papal blessing, and says it was directed to "Giffords" - there was no other astronaut on that flight with that surname, it presumably refers to Kelly using his wife's surname. As referencing Gabby Giffords as "Kelly" would be incorrect, certainly it would be wrong the other way, correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:410:4200:4410:45A:5745:8C73:125A ( talk) 03:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
Why does the caption state that this is his official portrait? Is there any evidence for that? Also, I believe SenatorKellyOfficialPhoto (cropped).jpg would be a better photo to use, considering other senators' portraits are not cropped. - Mad Mismagius ( talk) 01:42, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
I will modify the sentence, "After the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting the following year, Giffords and Kelly founded the nonprofit Americans for Responsible Solutions, later renamed Giffords, which campaigns for universal background checks for firearms and red flag laws" to "...which promotes gun control." Only one of the sources for that sentence mentions red flag laws or background checks. However, all three of them mention that either Kelly or the nonprofit promote gun control. The original I think selects policies that seem more moderate which therefore has the effect being misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.137.14 ( talk) 20:51, 13 January 2022 (UTC)