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The lede states: Her paternal grandfather was Pierre Napoleon Bonaparte, son of Lucien Bonaparte, Napoleon's rebellious younger brother.[1] For this reason, despite her title Marie was not a member of the dynastic branch of the Bonapartes who claimed the French imperial throne from exile.
This gives the impression that the reason her family's status (which I believe means they were not given the priviledges of Imperial Highnesses) was due to the fact that Lucien Bonaparte was "rebellious". I don't believe this is the case. Isn't it because her maternal grandfather, Pierre Napoleon Bonaparte entered a morganatic marriage with Éléonore-Justine Ruflin? -- Willthacheerleader18 ( talk) 18:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Or is their status due to descending from the branch that held the Papal (not French) title of Prince of Canino and Musignano? -- Willthacheerleader18 ( talk) 18:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Could someone clarify the term "ransom" as applied to Freud and the National Socialists?
Freud was held captive in Austria by the Nazis until Bonaparte paid them a ransom of a quarter of a million Austrian schillings. His passport was then returned and he was permitted to emigrate. Such ransoms were not uncommon in the beginning of the Nazi conquest of Europe. I've also seen the figure given as £20,000 (which may or may not be equivalent). - Nunh-huh 23:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
There was a 1957 television drama, MATINEE THEATRE: THE RANSOM OF SIGMUND FREUD [1] based on Freud's difficulties escaping the clutches of the Nazis.
Wasn't Marie Bonaparte's title Papal rather than French? (See the articles about her father and his title) NRPanikker ( talk) 01:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
For this: "It was to Marie Bonaparte that Sigmund Freud remarked, "The great question that has never been answered and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is ‘What does a woman want?’"." Slrubenstein | Talk 19:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
According to a book which I'm reading on the Salonika Campaign, she was the mistress of French PM Aristide Briand in 1915, and he was suspected of wanting to make her Queen of Greece. Is this corroborated in any biography of the woman? Paulturtle ( talk) 17:49, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Cheers. Am about to write up Maurice Sarrail's biog. Paulturtle ( talk) 22:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Now in Briand's biog as well. Paulturtle ( talk) 23:41, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
From the article:
"She modeled for the Romanian modernist sculptor Constantin Brâncuși. His sculpture of her, "Princess X," created a scandal in 1919 when he represented her or caricatured her as a large gleaming bronze phallus. This phallus symbolizes the model's obsession with the penis and her lifelong quest to achieve vaginal orgasm."
I take issue with this. Both the Wikipedia article for Brâncuși and for Princess X say the opposite, as does the Philadelphia Museum of Art's entry for this sculpture ( http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/51035.html). Brâncuși quite emphatically defended this work and was mortified and offended that anyone considered it to be a phallus, much less that he purposefully chose a phallus to represent Marie Bonaparte.
If anyone can show a reliable source proving the alternative story as quoted above, please post. If there is no dissenting discussion, I will reword or remove this passage in a week. History Lunatic ( talk) 05:35, 14 September 2016 (UTC)History Lunatic
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I am looking for medical literature about her surgeries that mentions what was done to the pudendal nerve in the process. I haven't found anything about it. At that time, it was not possible to separate a clitoral glans from the place where it has grown and transplant it without cutting through the dorsal nerve of the clitoris. No wonder the surgeries did not improve her situation. Sciencia58 ( talk) 19:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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The lede states: Her paternal grandfather was Pierre Napoleon Bonaparte, son of Lucien Bonaparte, Napoleon's rebellious younger brother.[1] For this reason, despite her title Marie was not a member of the dynastic branch of the Bonapartes who claimed the French imperial throne from exile.
This gives the impression that the reason her family's status (which I believe means they were not given the priviledges of Imperial Highnesses) was due to the fact that Lucien Bonaparte was "rebellious". I don't believe this is the case. Isn't it because her maternal grandfather, Pierre Napoleon Bonaparte entered a morganatic marriage with Éléonore-Justine Ruflin? -- Willthacheerleader18 ( talk) 18:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Or is their status due to descending from the branch that held the Papal (not French) title of Prince of Canino and Musignano? -- Willthacheerleader18 ( talk) 18:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Could someone clarify the term "ransom" as applied to Freud and the National Socialists?
Freud was held captive in Austria by the Nazis until Bonaparte paid them a ransom of a quarter of a million Austrian schillings. His passport was then returned and he was permitted to emigrate. Such ransoms were not uncommon in the beginning of the Nazi conquest of Europe. I've also seen the figure given as £20,000 (which may or may not be equivalent). - Nunh-huh 23:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
There was a 1957 television drama, MATINEE THEATRE: THE RANSOM OF SIGMUND FREUD [1] based on Freud's difficulties escaping the clutches of the Nazis.
Wasn't Marie Bonaparte's title Papal rather than French? (See the articles about her father and his title) NRPanikker ( talk) 01:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
For this: "It was to Marie Bonaparte that Sigmund Freud remarked, "The great question that has never been answered and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is ‘What does a woman want?’"." Slrubenstein | Talk 19:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
According to a book which I'm reading on the Salonika Campaign, she was the mistress of French PM Aristide Briand in 1915, and he was suspected of wanting to make her Queen of Greece. Is this corroborated in any biography of the woman? Paulturtle ( talk) 17:49, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Cheers. Am about to write up Maurice Sarrail's biog. Paulturtle ( talk) 22:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Now in Briand's biog as well. Paulturtle ( talk) 23:41, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
From the article:
"She modeled for the Romanian modernist sculptor Constantin Brâncuși. His sculpture of her, "Princess X," created a scandal in 1919 when he represented her or caricatured her as a large gleaming bronze phallus. This phallus symbolizes the model's obsession with the penis and her lifelong quest to achieve vaginal orgasm."
I take issue with this. Both the Wikipedia article for Brâncuși and for Princess X say the opposite, as does the Philadelphia Museum of Art's entry for this sculpture ( http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/51035.html). Brâncuși quite emphatically defended this work and was mortified and offended that anyone considered it to be a phallus, much less that he purposefully chose a phallus to represent Marie Bonaparte.
If anyone can show a reliable source proving the alternative story as quoted above, please post. If there is no dissenting discussion, I will reword or remove this passage in a week. History Lunatic ( talk) 05:35, 14 September 2016 (UTC)History Lunatic
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I am looking for medical literature about her surgeries that mentions what was done to the pudendal nerve in the process. I haven't found anything about it. At that time, it was not possible to separate a clitoral glans from the place where it has grown and transplant it without cutting through the dorsal nerve of the clitoris. No wonder the surgeries did not improve her situation. Sciencia58 ( talk) 19:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)