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Talk:Margaret of Sicily/Sandbox
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Not done - no consensus for this move.
Neıl
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10:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Per Aldebaran. Michael Sanders 23:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is another suggested name which nobody would actually use; what is wrong with the obvious Margaret, Margravine of Meissen or Margaret of Hohenstaufen? Of the two choices at hand, Margaret of Sicily is probably better. Her father spent the 1240's in Italy, not Germany; and I really doubt that Margaret of Germany can possibly be unambiguous (is she the only Emperor's daughter ever named Margaret?). Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, I did the move without checking the result of the vote. My concern was to preserve both the edit history and the material Aldebaran had created, which was more comprehensive than the stub article that already existed. There's no reason the vote can't continue, though. The page can always be moved again when it's resolved. Deb ( talk) 18:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- My request to named the article "Margaret of Germany" was for this reason: the principal title of her father was King of Germany, and his surname Hohoenstaufen was of german origin. Margaret of Sicily make her as only Sicilian Princess, and this was not true. Also, if you se the list of the legitimate children of Frederick II ALL used the surname "of Germany" except the offspring of Bianca Lancia, whose legitimacy was dubious. I think Margaret of Germany is better, but if you think the contrary, move the article. Thanks a lot , sorry for my bad english and Happy New Year!!
Aldebaran69 (
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18:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- I would appreciate some evidence of the claim that any of them actually used "of Germany", preferably with a reference to some reliable source, like Kantorowicz. The principal title of Fridericus Secundus was Imperator Romanus, and his most usual secondary title was King of Sicily.
- But, business aside, prosit! Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- I would appreciate some evidence of the claim that any of them actually used "of Germany", preferably with a reference to some reliable source, like Kantorowicz. The principal title of Fridericus Secundus was Imperator Romanus, and his most usual secondary title was King of Sicily.
- My request to named the article "Margaret of Germany" was for this reason: the principal title of her father was King of Germany, and his surname Hohoenstaufen was of german origin. Margaret of Sicily make her as only Sicilian Princess, and this was not true. Also, if you se the list of the legitimate children of Frederick II ALL used the surname "of Germany" except the offspring of Bianca Lancia, whose legitimacy was dubious. I think Margaret of Germany is better, but if you think the contrary, move the article. Thanks a lot , sorry for my bad english and Happy New Year!!
Aldebaran69 (
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18:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. Margaret of Germany is too ambiguate. She is better known even with the name Margaret of Sicily. Henq ( talk) 20:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Ok. Let the page as you think is correct. Some days ago, i had read one page who i found in the article of Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor in the discussion section and i had a little confuse: in this page (i don't remember the name very well) was claimed that Margaret was betrothed to Hermann II, Landgrave of Thuringia from 1238 to 1239. But, if the year date of Margaret was generally accepted in 1241, this betrothal is impossible to really happen. If the old source who cited that page said the filia imperator was engaged to Hermann, landgrave of Thuringia and son of Saint Elisabeth, Margaret would be the only posibility...but, i had a teory about the bride of Hermann. If instead Margaret was another Frederick's daughter the intended bride?......
- The bride in question (i think) could be Constance, the daughter of Frederick II and Bianca Lancia. She was born around 1230 and was prefectly elegible as the young landgrave's bride, three years her senior. This fact was (in my opinion, again) a proof of the legitimacy of the Bianca Lancia's children. Constance married in 1244 with John III, Emperor of Nicaea. This marriage was another proof of the legitimacy of Constance and her siblings. I think this maybe deserve more research. Thanks a lot and a Happy New Year!!!! Aldebaran69 ( talk) 00:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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Talk:Margaret of Sicily/Sandbox
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Not done - no consensus for this move.
Neıl
☎
10:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Per Aldebaran. Michael Sanders 23:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is another suggested name which nobody would actually use; what is wrong with the obvious Margaret, Margravine of Meissen or Margaret of Hohenstaufen? Of the two choices at hand, Margaret of Sicily is probably better. Her father spent the 1240's in Italy, not Germany; and I really doubt that Margaret of Germany can possibly be unambiguous (is she the only Emperor's daughter ever named Margaret?). Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, I did the move without checking the result of the vote. My concern was to preserve both the edit history and the material Aldebaran had created, which was more comprehensive than the stub article that already existed. There's no reason the vote can't continue, though. The page can always be moved again when it's resolved. Deb ( talk) 18:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- My request to named the article "Margaret of Germany" was for this reason: the principal title of her father was King of Germany, and his surname Hohoenstaufen was of german origin. Margaret of Sicily make her as only Sicilian Princess, and this was not true. Also, if you se the list of the legitimate children of Frederick II ALL used the surname "of Germany" except the offspring of Bianca Lancia, whose legitimacy was dubious. I think Margaret of Germany is better, but if you think the contrary, move the article. Thanks a lot , sorry for my bad english and Happy New Year!!
Aldebaran69 (
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18:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- I would appreciate some evidence of the claim that any of them actually used "of Germany", preferably with a reference to some reliable source, like Kantorowicz. The principal title of Fridericus Secundus was Imperator Romanus, and his most usual secondary title was King of Sicily.
- But, business aside, prosit! Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- I would appreciate some evidence of the claim that any of them actually used "of Germany", preferably with a reference to some reliable source, like Kantorowicz. The principal title of Fridericus Secundus was Imperator Romanus, and his most usual secondary title was King of Sicily.
- My request to named the article "Margaret of Germany" was for this reason: the principal title of her father was King of Germany, and his surname Hohoenstaufen was of german origin. Margaret of Sicily make her as only Sicilian Princess, and this was not true. Also, if you se the list of the legitimate children of Frederick II ALL used the surname "of Germany" except the offspring of Bianca Lancia, whose legitimacy was dubious. I think Margaret of Germany is better, but if you think the contrary, move the article. Thanks a lot , sorry for my bad english and Happy New Year!!
Aldebaran69 (
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18:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. Margaret of Germany is too ambiguate. She is better known even with the name Margaret of Sicily. Henq ( talk) 20:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
- Ok. Let the page as you think is correct. Some days ago, i had read one page who i found in the article of Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor in the discussion section and i had a little confuse: in this page (i don't remember the name very well) was claimed that Margaret was betrothed to Hermann II, Landgrave of Thuringia from 1238 to 1239. But, if the year date of Margaret was generally accepted in 1241, this betrothal is impossible to really happen. If the old source who cited that page said the filia imperator was engaged to Hermann, landgrave of Thuringia and son of Saint Elisabeth, Margaret would be the only posibility...but, i had a teory about the bride of Hermann. If instead Margaret was another Frederick's daughter the intended bride?......
- The bride in question (i think) could be Constance, the daughter of Frederick II and Bianca Lancia. She was born around 1230 and was prefectly elegible as the young landgrave's bride, three years her senior. This fact was (in my opinion, again) a proof of the legitimacy of the Bianca Lancia's children. Constance married in 1244 with John III, Emperor of Nicaea. This marriage was another proof of the legitimacy of Constance and her siblings. I think this maybe deserve more research. Thanks a lot and a Happy New Year!!!! Aldebaran69 ( talk) 00:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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