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Alright, this might sound odd, but if there's an answer for it, it might be of interest to add to the article: From personal experience and that of others (related anecdotally), it seems consumption of maple can affect the way a person smells. For example, if I have big bowl of maple & brown sugar instant oatmeal in the morning, the rest of the day I smell mildly of it--even after a shower. I've been told this isn't uncommon with maple syrup and products derived from it, like the natural flavoring in the oatmeal. Is this something notable/unique about the chemistry of maple syrup? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.26.226.151 ( talk) 09:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Why does the article say this? Surely I'm not the only one who wants something like US Grade B for their pancakes and waffles? Dougweller ( talk) 15:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
"Maple+syrup"+production+2008&hl=en&gl=uk here though contradicts [2] Dougweller ( talk) 13:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
It would be nice to know if there is any data on the Maple tree plantations in Quebec and other Maple producing regions. How many trees are planted per acre/ hectare? What is the age of the saplings? For how long does a tree viably provide Maple sap? Consider, for instance, that you are asked to submit a project report by somebody interested in setting up an agricultural venture involving a Maple tree plantation, selling the various products, including the recent developments of Maple tourism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wargamer ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
It would be nice to know what Persian syrup is for the maple QazimA ( talk) 13:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)ronge
I've added a small section on the chemistry of maple syrup. Fishing Chimp ( talk) 23:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
I notice this article is up for GA. Looking it over, however, I think it has POV problems. The article is regional. Maybe it's because there aren't any maple trees in other locations but the section on artificial imitations is also deficient. How does one know that the purported imitations are really imitating maple syrup when they aren't allowed to label themselves as maple syrup? How is it known that pancake syrup isn't simply trying to be exactly what it says or corn syrup? Artificial substitutes is more neutral. Simply Substitutes may be even more neutral still. It seems to be implied throughout the entire article that maple syrup is better. If so, in what objective way is it better? Lambanog ( talk) 03:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I think it could use some more POV work, particularly in the imitation syrup section. Kevink707 ( talk) 16:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Reviewer: Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 15:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
{{
commonscat|Maple syrup}}
to the "external links" section
I wish to keep this goingto get it there so please respond soon or I will have to fail the GA request. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 00:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Has the reviewer forgotten about this??? Moxy ( talk) 14:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Nope - I was on vacation last week and have had to catch up at work, and haven't had time to sit down and really go over this. I was doing some other maintenance work I have been neglecting on the food portal as well. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 20:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I've been distracted with other issues recently. Here are some responses to your points:
Nikkimaria ( talk) 21:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Are we near an end to the review? I can see things progressing on both sides, but just checking for an update since it's been about two months now. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 18:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Another editor added this reference, though it is unneeded:
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help)-- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 06:36, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The article plant sap says that maple syrup comes from the xylem. I am convinced it comes from the phloem, thats where sugars are transported. I think a good article about maple syrup should have this information (to be called well researched). -- Ettrig ( talk) 21:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
This isn't a big deal, but the introductory sentence is wrong in the way it shortern sugar maple and red maple, as if "maple" was a modifier rather than part of the name. The name of the species is "sugar maple," not "sugar, which is a type of maple tree."
Perhaps an equally incorrect sentence makes my point clearer: "I have poison and English ivy growing on my wall." You have poison growing on your wall???
Just as importantly, the shortened links violates a wikipedia rule that wikilinks should be transparent to the reader. A reader unfamiliar with the species names of sugar-making maple trees has no way of knowing from this sentence that red maple is a type of tree. They have to mouse over or click to find out. We shouldn't force that extra move unless it serves a purpose.
So I'd like to un-shortern the sugar maple and red maple wikilinks. - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 18:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
This information: As the weather continues to warm, a maple tree's normal early spring biological process eventually alters the taste of the sap, making it unpalatable, perhaps due to an increase in amino acids.[11]
The reference does not discuss the taste, and I do not believe that this info is correct. Over the years I've tapped a few trees from time to time and in my experience the trees just start to dry up after a while. The article does mention an off flavor once the trees begin to bud, however that does not seem to be what this statement is speaking of. Any experts around? Gandydancer ( talk) 05:07, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
If I were bolder I would edit this featured article to remove the last sentence of the third paragraph: "Maple syrup and the sugar maple tree are symbols of Canada and several US states, in particular Vermont." The maple leaf is a symbol of Canada, but not maple syrup nor the sugar maple tree. The sugar maple is the state tree of four US states, including Vermont, but in most cases state trees are not symbols of their states ( List of U.S. state trees). Bootboy41 ( talk) 12:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The english version states 4.1°C over the water boiling temperature. The french version states 3.5°C over the water boiling temperature.
Who should we believe? Are there different practices? Should the articles show a range? ArnaudContet ( talk) 16:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Under the heading Native Americans, someone deleted a tribe's name, and entered the word "squirrel". Can an editor figure out which tribe's name was deleted and replaced, and then restore the appropriate name? Iss246 ( talk) 16:23, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I see the edits I have made were reversed. The reason for the edits were:
I will be re-incorporating these changes when I have a bit more time. CJLippert ( talk) 17:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
What's wrong with adding Birch sap and Birch syrup as a "See also" section? Why was it undoed, and do you really think it does not belong here? Is not "see also" the way used in Wikipedia to give links to somewhat related phenomena in different cultures / species / times / areas? (I'd appreciate a response, as I really wonder if I did a mistake adding information like that to the Wikipedia) Khakhalin ( talk) 18:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
You are right - I'm adding the "see also" category and birch syrup therein. But don't frazzle out; social interaction is supposed to be the fun part of wikipedia! - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 18:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I would just like to point out that an edit war over the inclusion of birch syrup in the "see also" section probably qualifies for WP:Lamest edit wars.-- Hazel77 talk 19:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't call birch syrup an "alternative" but it is certainly related. It makes the most sense to put it in a "see also" section. Jonathunder ( talk) 02:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Nowhere in the reference cited does it mention that the maple leaf on Canada flag is from sugar maple tree. I was thought as a kid that it was from a red maple tree.
The sentence on the flag of Canada should be deleted or an appropriate reference should be given for the type of maple tree on Canada flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.186.33.48 ( talk) 20:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
An editor has changed each use of "indigenous people" to "aboriginal people" in this article. I have no knowledge or preference for either terminology, but I suggest that he/she double-check what they're doing, since aboriginal people goes to a wikipedia article titled Indigenous people. Since wikipedia founds of forwarded links, the usual practice would be to revert the text to the actual title name: i.e., "indigenous".
The terminology does not seem to be settled. I've changed the link to read just "people" since it doesn't seem necessary. - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 21:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I did the revert. Sorry for the late explanation, but I got a work call between making the revert and explaining it. I have restored it to aboriginal. Just saying people made no sense. I think "indigenous people", "Native Americans", "aboriginal people" would all be correct here, but for this article I suspect the term most commonly used in Canada is best. The indigenous peoples of the Americas article makes it clear that the three terms are interchangeable. If you really feel that "indigenous people", or "native Americans" is a better choice I won't argue with you, but just "people" immediately begs the question which people? Rusty Cashman ( talk) 23:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
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"The basic ingredient in maple syrup is the sap from the xylem of maple trees. It consists primarily of sucrose and water, with small amounts of other sugars such as fructose and glucose." Sucrose is fructose and glucose. Here is wikipedia description, "Sucrose is the organic compound commonly known as table sugar and sometimes called saccharose. A white, odorless, crystalline powder with a sweet taste, it is best known for its role in human nutrition. The molecule is a disaccharide composed of glucose and fructose." Blsmith31 ( talk) 23:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Blsmith31 ( talk) 23:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Puffin Let's talk! 18:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi Is this really a photo of a bottle of maple syrup? Syrup is quite thick and viscous, thus unlikely to form bubbles at the top as one can see in this photo. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 14:40, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, there is a new stable template that I have placed on this talk page. The purpose of this template, as explained in the documentation and in a short discussion at the village pump, is to help against article rot (the deterioration of quality that can occur in articles), and to keep a link to a stable version, which will be reliable, and not so prone to those errors, vandalism, and erroneous information that can crop up at any moment. It has no effect on the actual article, and can be upgraded/changed at any time - ideally to reflect a newer, improved stable version. This being said, if you are against using it on this talk page (some have found it intrusive), feel free to discuss or remove it - I believe that it will benefit some articles more than others, and I accept that not all will see a need for it on each article. Falconus p t c 22:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 |
This is the archive of discussions from the talk:maple syrup page for 2009-2011 |
Alright, this might sound odd, but if there's an answer for it, it might be of interest to add to the article: From personal experience and that of others (related anecdotally), it seems consumption of maple can affect the way a person smells. For example, if I have big bowl of maple & brown sugar instant oatmeal in the morning, the rest of the day I smell mildly of it--even after a shower. I've been told this isn't uncommon with maple syrup and products derived from it, like the natural flavoring in the oatmeal. Is this something notable/unique about the chemistry of maple syrup? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.26.226.151 ( talk) 09:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Why does the article say this? Surely I'm not the only one who wants something like US Grade B for their pancakes and waffles? Dougweller ( talk) 15:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
"Maple+syrup"+production+2008&hl=en&gl=uk here though contradicts [2] Dougweller ( talk) 13:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
It would be nice to know if there is any data on the Maple tree plantations in Quebec and other Maple producing regions. How many trees are planted per acre/ hectare? What is the age of the saplings? For how long does a tree viably provide Maple sap? Consider, for instance, that you are asked to submit a project report by somebody interested in setting up an agricultural venture involving a Maple tree plantation, selling the various products, including the recent developments of Maple tourism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wargamer ( talk • contribs) 18:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
It would be nice to know what Persian syrup is for the maple QazimA ( talk) 13:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)ronge
I've added a small section on the chemistry of maple syrup. Fishing Chimp ( talk) 23:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
I notice this article is up for GA. Looking it over, however, I think it has POV problems. The article is regional. Maybe it's because there aren't any maple trees in other locations but the section on artificial imitations is also deficient. How does one know that the purported imitations are really imitating maple syrup when they aren't allowed to label themselves as maple syrup? How is it known that pancake syrup isn't simply trying to be exactly what it says or corn syrup? Artificial substitutes is more neutral. Simply Substitutes may be even more neutral still. It seems to be implied throughout the entire article that maple syrup is better. If so, in what objective way is it better? Lambanog ( talk) 03:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I think it could use some more POV work, particularly in the imitation syrup section. Kevink707 ( talk) 16:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Reviewer: Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 15:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
{{
commonscat|Maple syrup}}
to the "external links" section
I wish to keep this goingto get it there so please respond soon or I will have to fail the GA request. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 00:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Has the reviewer forgotten about this??? Moxy ( talk) 14:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Nope - I was on vacation last week and have had to catch up at work, and haven't had time to sit down and really go over this. I was doing some other maintenance work I have been neglecting on the food portal as well. -- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 20:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I've been distracted with other issues recently. Here are some responses to your points:
Nikkimaria ( talk) 21:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Are we near an end to the review? I can see things progressing on both sides, but just checking for an update since it's been about two months now. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 18:45, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Another editor added this reference, though it is unneeded:
{{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |note=
ignored (
help)-- Jeremy ( blah blah • I did it!) 06:36, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The article plant sap says that maple syrup comes from the xylem. I am convinced it comes from the phloem, thats where sugars are transported. I think a good article about maple syrup should have this information (to be called well researched). -- Ettrig ( talk) 21:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
This isn't a big deal, but the introductory sentence is wrong in the way it shortern sugar maple and red maple, as if "maple" was a modifier rather than part of the name. The name of the species is "sugar maple," not "sugar, which is a type of maple tree."
Perhaps an equally incorrect sentence makes my point clearer: "I have poison and English ivy growing on my wall." You have poison growing on your wall???
Just as importantly, the shortened links violates a wikipedia rule that wikilinks should be transparent to the reader. A reader unfamiliar with the species names of sugar-making maple trees has no way of knowing from this sentence that red maple is a type of tree. They have to mouse over or click to find out. We shouldn't force that extra move unless it serves a purpose.
So I'd like to un-shortern the sugar maple and red maple wikilinks. - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 18:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
This information: As the weather continues to warm, a maple tree's normal early spring biological process eventually alters the taste of the sap, making it unpalatable, perhaps due to an increase in amino acids.[11]
The reference does not discuss the taste, and I do not believe that this info is correct. Over the years I've tapped a few trees from time to time and in my experience the trees just start to dry up after a while. The article does mention an off flavor once the trees begin to bud, however that does not seem to be what this statement is speaking of. Any experts around? Gandydancer ( talk) 05:07, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
If I were bolder I would edit this featured article to remove the last sentence of the third paragraph: "Maple syrup and the sugar maple tree are symbols of Canada and several US states, in particular Vermont." The maple leaf is a symbol of Canada, but not maple syrup nor the sugar maple tree. The sugar maple is the state tree of four US states, including Vermont, but in most cases state trees are not symbols of their states ( List of U.S. state trees). Bootboy41 ( talk) 12:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
The english version states 4.1°C over the water boiling temperature. The french version states 3.5°C over the water boiling temperature.
Who should we believe? Are there different practices? Should the articles show a range? ArnaudContet ( talk) 16:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Under the heading Native Americans, someone deleted a tribe's name, and entered the word "squirrel". Can an editor figure out which tribe's name was deleted and replaced, and then restore the appropriate name? Iss246 ( talk) 16:23, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I see the edits I have made were reversed. The reason for the edits were:
I will be re-incorporating these changes when I have a bit more time. CJLippert ( talk) 17:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
What's wrong with adding Birch sap and Birch syrup as a "See also" section? Why was it undoed, and do you really think it does not belong here? Is not "see also" the way used in Wikipedia to give links to somewhat related phenomena in different cultures / species / times / areas? (I'd appreciate a response, as I really wonder if I did a mistake adding information like that to the Wikipedia) Khakhalin ( talk) 18:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
You are right - I'm adding the "see also" category and birch syrup therein. But don't frazzle out; social interaction is supposed to be the fun part of wikipedia! - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 18:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I would just like to point out that an edit war over the inclusion of birch syrup in the "see also" section probably qualifies for WP:Lamest edit wars.-- Hazel77 talk 19:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't call birch syrup an "alternative" but it is certainly related. It makes the most sense to put it in a "see also" section. Jonathunder ( talk) 02:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Nowhere in the reference cited does it mention that the maple leaf on Canada flag is from sugar maple tree. I was thought as a kid that it was from a red maple tree.
The sentence on the flag of Canada should be deleted or an appropriate reference should be given for the type of maple tree on Canada flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.186.33.48 ( talk) 20:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
An editor has changed each use of "indigenous people" to "aboriginal people" in this article. I have no knowledge or preference for either terminology, but I suggest that he/she double-check what they're doing, since aboriginal people goes to a wikipedia article titled Indigenous people. Since wikipedia founds of forwarded links, the usual practice would be to revert the text to the actual title name: i.e., "indigenous".
The terminology does not seem to be settled. I've changed the link to read just "people" since it doesn't seem necessary. - DavidWBrooks ( talk) 21:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I did the revert. Sorry for the late explanation, but I got a work call between making the revert and explaining it. I have restored it to aboriginal. Just saying people made no sense. I think "indigenous people", "Native Americans", "aboriginal people" would all be correct here, but for this article I suspect the term most commonly used in Canada is best. The indigenous peoples of the Americas article makes it clear that the three terms are interchangeable. If you really feel that "indigenous people", or "native Americans" is a better choice I won't argue with you, but just "people" immediately begs the question which people? Rusty Cashman ( talk) 23:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
"The basic ingredient in maple syrup is the sap from the xylem of maple trees. It consists primarily of sucrose and water, with small amounts of other sugars such as fructose and glucose." Sucrose is fructose and glucose. Here is wikipedia description, "Sucrose is the organic compound commonly known as table sugar and sometimes called saccharose. A white, odorless, crystalline powder with a sweet taste, it is best known for its role in human nutrition. The molecule is a disaccharide composed of glucose and fructose." Blsmith31 ( talk) 23:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Blsmith31 ( talk) 23:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Puffin Let's talk! 18:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi Is this really a photo of a bottle of maple syrup? Syrup is quite thick and viscous, thus unlikely to form bubbles at the top as one can see in this photo. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 14:40, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, there is a new stable template that I have placed on this talk page. The purpose of this template, as explained in the documentation and in a short discussion at the village pump, is to help against article rot (the deterioration of quality that can occur in articles), and to keep a link to a stable version, which will be reliable, and not so prone to those errors, vandalism, and erroneous information that can crop up at any moment. It has no effect on the actual article, and can be upgraded/changed at any time - ideally to reflect a newer, improved stable version. This being said, if you are against using it on this talk page (some have found it intrusive), feel free to discuss or remove it - I believe that it will benefit some articles more than others, and I accept that not all will see a need for it on each article. Falconus p t c 22:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)