I'm no Andrew Tate cultist, but holy sh*t, some of this is so biased I can feel the blue hair dye leaching through my screen. "ongoing systemic misogyny within a patriarchal culture?" or "The idea of misandry (hatred of or prejudice against men) is commonly invoked, both as an equivalent to misogyny and a way to deny the existence of institutionalized sexism.[27] However, Sugiura writes that "there is little evidence to show that misandry is an issue affecting men's lives"." Who is Sugiura? How is this random speaker in any way relevant? How are these assertions, which are politically contentious, neutral enough to be written here? The article then goes on about rates of violent crime in a way that seems improper for the context.
Ultimately, there are a great number of random authors cited, like Sugiura, as saying some extremely biased things, which is perfectly acceptable, but such statements must include the opposing opinion to give a clear picture of what is actually going on.
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05:12, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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- That would be Dr. Lisa Sugiura, an associate professor at the University of Portsmouth; someone with actual academic credentials in this field. See
WP:DUE and
WP:FALSEBALANCE; we do not have to "include the opposing opinion" when the two do not have similar support or credibility in the reliable sources. As such, if you want to include more material that suggests that the manosphere is *not* a misogynist hellscape, you'll need to find reliable sources that support that contention (good luck with that).
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- Yes it's amazing how you have taken information from all the leading experts for this and feminism to ensure no bias of opinion. Like how studies show feminism has led to the growing breakdown of the family unit, increasing child poverty and huge increases in mental illness in women. Wikipedia as always being completely non biased in their choices of what to show.
82.40.205.30 (
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18:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- If you've got
reliable sources that you think support a viewpoint that's not being reflected here, you're welcome to suggest edits based on them. But if you're just looking to gripe about feminism, I would suggest a personal blog.
WP:NOTFORUM.
GorillaWarfare (she/her •
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18:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Dr Alok Kanojia, Dr Jordan Peterson, Dr Steve Stewart-Williams - all psychologists that support men's issues, Louise Perry (former feminist journalist) who when "seeking the enemy" learnt the truth about mens issues, Marilyn York - attorney for men who points out inequality in the legal system, the Institute of National Statistics has many examples of mens issues from poor performance in school being linked to single mother households, along with teen pregnancy and mental illness for girls. They also link mens suicide rates as the leading cause of death for men under 45. There's the fact that when the push for women to be considered legally equal to men in the US constitution feminists opposed this as they realised this would allow women to be drafted. There is so much factual data out there saying young men are at breaking point and need help, not ridicule, while support for men is almost non-existent is causing a literal epidemic. The manosphere is NOT about women bashing, it's about learning about and taking action on mens issues. It's not saying "women are bad and should get no support" but instead saying "neither are men, and they need support too." I know Wikipedia states itself to not be a reliable source of information but you could at least TRY to look into something fully before writing it off as "women bashing"
82.40.205.30 (
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19:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Again, you're welcome to suggest edits based on specific sources (not vague handwaving at individual scholars).
Wikipedia:Increase your chances might be useful as to how to craft a
edit request. As for "women bashing", the only one who's used that wording here is you.
- I will note that much of what you're describing sounds more like the topic covered at
men's rights movement, which goes into topics including
military conscription,
suicide, and so on. The manosphere is a related, but not synonymous, topic.
GorillaWarfare (she/her •
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20:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- I will do, but I suggest you consider your approach to messages like these. Deliberate antagonism such as that in the first reply to the OP is not in the best interests of a site that is attempting to give accurate and non biased information online. The equivalent would be the entry for feminism stating it is an idealogy that believes men are at best disposable and at worse not worth the air they breath. There are medicals on both sides but that does not mean that they are the majority or even that there should be sides.
82.40.205.30 (
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21:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Not medicals, Radicals lol. Good old autocorrect
82.40.205.30 (
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21:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Again, you seem to be treating the manosphere as though it is simply the male counterpart to feminism. The term "manosphere" refers to a group of specific online subcultures; if you are looking for the general topic of men's rights, you might have more success at the articles on
masculism or the
men's rights movement.
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21:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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