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Why there is no sunda word mention in this page? There are some people in malaysia that claimed themselves as a descendant of sunda people. 2404:8000:1027:85F6:3439:D988:E74:C454 ( talk) 16:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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AlhyarJy and
MrCattttt: The current edit war surrounding the infobox parameter |population=
is textbook poor editing (which both of you are notoriously best at). Read
MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE first. Nothing should be in the infobox that is mot mentioned in the main text.
So first of all, create a section "Population estimates" that discusses this controversial question. Second, consider the quality of sources. Okezone is a news site, and the page (which btw is a dead link as of now) only cites a claim by Idris Haron. We can mention this claim with attribution, but without an apparent source for Idris Haron's statement, we can only consider this guesswork. The same holds for the kompas.com figure of 80%, which is not even attributed to any source, but stated as fact. Kompas is a reliable source for news, but statements about history etc. should only be used with care or ideally replaced with peer-reviewed scholarly sources.
The academic paper T. Shamsul Bahrin in Bijdragen tot de taal-, land- en volkenkunde is certainly a reliable source, but also should be used with care. It is an estimate based on extrapolation. The author himself mentions other estimates (like the one C.A. Vlieland who wrote in 1934 that "less than 60 per cent of the present Malay population is over 40 years standing in the peninsula"). Also, T. Shamsul Bahrin only talks about the percentage of people that could be counted as immigrants in their time, i.e. people born outside of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak. It does not include assimilated descendants, which is the topic of this article. If you include people with full or partial ancestry from Indonesia (or the earlier Dutch East Indies), higher figures are quite probable. The only things is, we need better sources than Okezone and Kompas before we can turn it into infobox matter. Austronesier ( talk) 11:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
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Why there is no sunda word mention in this page? There are some people in malaysia that claimed themselves as a descendant of sunda people. 2404:8000:1027:85F6:3439:D988:E74:C454 ( talk) 16:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
@
AlhyarJy and
MrCattttt: The current edit war surrounding the infobox parameter |population=
is textbook poor editing (which both of you are notoriously best at). Read
MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE first. Nothing should be in the infobox that is mot mentioned in the main text.
So first of all, create a section "Population estimates" that discusses this controversial question. Second, consider the quality of sources. Okezone is a news site, and the page (which btw is a dead link as of now) only cites a claim by Idris Haron. We can mention this claim with attribution, but without an apparent source for Idris Haron's statement, we can only consider this guesswork. The same holds for the kompas.com figure of 80%, which is not even attributed to any source, but stated as fact. Kompas is a reliable source for news, but statements about history etc. should only be used with care or ideally replaced with peer-reviewed scholarly sources.
The academic paper T. Shamsul Bahrin in Bijdragen tot de taal-, land- en volkenkunde is certainly a reliable source, but also should be used with care. It is an estimate based on extrapolation. The author himself mentions other estimates (like the one C.A. Vlieland who wrote in 1934 that "less than 60 per cent of the present Malay population is over 40 years standing in the peninsula"). Also, T. Shamsul Bahrin only talks about the percentage of people that could be counted as immigrants in their time, i.e. people born outside of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak. It does not include assimilated descendants, which is the topic of this article. If you include people with full or partial ancestry from Indonesia (or the earlier Dutch East Indies), higher figures are quite probable. The only things is, we need better sources than Okezone and Kompas before we can turn it into infobox matter. Austronesier ( talk) 11:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)