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http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/cryptologic_spectrum/sinkingawa_maru.pdf 94.175.50.143 ( talk) 20:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
A recent edit added the sinking of the Awa Maru as a US war crime. Has it ever been determined to be such? Isn't the sinking of a hospital ship serving as a freighter the sinking of a freighter? Loughlin was found guilty of negligence—not following the order "don't sink this ship" and nothing more. user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 14:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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I have been trying to track down the history of the survivor Kantora Shimoda. The note here says that he had survived two prior wrecks, but it is Citation Needed. This UPI article attributes the claim to Cmdr. Loughlin. Add a citation?
E. C. Ambrose
I tried to add the Awa Maru as an example of a hospital ship to the linked Wikipedia article, but it was removed (by an anonyous user with a Japanese IP address) with the reason given that the Awa Maru was not a hospital ship.
Checking the Awa Maru article, I confirmed that it said the Awa Maru was "sailing as a hospital ship under the protection of the Red Cross" when it sank. But in the cited source ( The Sinking and the Salvage of the Awa Maru (U): A Strange and Tragic Tale (U)) the term "hospital ship" does not appear. It says the Awa Maru was shipping Red Cross relief supplies (among other things), but it does not say the Awa Maru was carrying patients or providing medical treatment.
Therefore, I removed the term "hospital ship" from the Awa Maru article. However, it was added back along with a new source "Hospital Ships (AH)": http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/H/o/Hospital_Ships.htm
The new source is from The Pacific War Online Encyclopedia, which appears to be the work of one man, Kent Budge, who describes himself as a computational physicist with an interest in WWII history. In the website's FAQ he compares it to Wikipedia.
The Internet Archive's oldest snapshot of the "Hospital Ships (AH)" page suggests that Budge's source of information on the Awa Maru is "Silent Victory: The U.S. Submarine War Against Japan" by Clay Blair, published in 1975. While I don't have a copy of the book on hand, Google Books reveals that the Awa Maru is listed as a "Japanese relief supply ship" on page 1009: https://books.google.com/books?id=Iep8AAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=awa+maru
Elsewhere in this Talk page it is asked whether the Awa Maru should count as a hospital ship or a freighter, to which another user responds that the Awa Maru was "not actually a hospital ship": Talk:MV_Awa_Maru_(1942)#Sinking_a_War_Crime?
I have not found more reliable sources that clearly state the Awa Maru was a hopsital ship. Most pages that mention "hospital ship" in connection with the Awa Maru appear to be copied from this Wikipedia entry.
I am not a subject matter expert myself. If any of the other users involved in editing this article (such as User:Boneyard90, User:JMOprof, or User:Glrx) have more to add, I would welcome the information. As it stands, I am inclined to think that the term "hospital ship" should not be used in this article to describe the Awa Maru. - Mysterius ( talk) 06:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/cryptologic_spectrum/sinkingawa_maru.pdf 94.175.50.143 ( talk) 20:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
A recent edit added the sinking of the Awa Maru as a US war crime. Has it ever been determined to be such? Isn't the sinking of a hospital ship serving as a freighter the sinking of a freighter? Loughlin was found guilty of negligence—not following the order "don't sink this ship" and nothing more. user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 14:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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I have been trying to track down the history of the survivor Kantora Shimoda. The note here says that he had survived two prior wrecks, but it is Citation Needed. This UPI article attributes the claim to Cmdr. Loughlin. Add a citation?
E. C. Ambrose
I tried to add the Awa Maru as an example of a hospital ship to the linked Wikipedia article, but it was removed (by an anonyous user with a Japanese IP address) with the reason given that the Awa Maru was not a hospital ship.
Checking the Awa Maru article, I confirmed that it said the Awa Maru was "sailing as a hospital ship under the protection of the Red Cross" when it sank. But in the cited source ( The Sinking and the Salvage of the Awa Maru (U): A Strange and Tragic Tale (U)) the term "hospital ship" does not appear. It says the Awa Maru was shipping Red Cross relief supplies (among other things), but it does not say the Awa Maru was carrying patients or providing medical treatment.
Therefore, I removed the term "hospital ship" from the Awa Maru article. However, it was added back along with a new source "Hospital Ships (AH)": http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/H/o/Hospital_Ships.htm
The new source is from The Pacific War Online Encyclopedia, which appears to be the work of one man, Kent Budge, who describes himself as a computational physicist with an interest in WWII history. In the website's FAQ he compares it to Wikipedia.
The Internet Archive's oldest snapshot of the "Hospital Ships (AH)" page suggests that Budge's source of information on the Awa Maru is "Silent Victory: The U.S. Submarine War Against Japan" by Clay Blair, published in 1975. While I don't have a copy of the book on hand, Google Books reveals that the Awa Maru is listed as a "Japanese relief supply ship" on page 1009: https://books.google.com/books?id=Iep8AAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=awa+maru
Elsewhere in this Talk page it is asked whether the Awa Maru should count as a hospital ship or a freighter, to which another user responds that the Awa Maru was "not actually a hospital ship": Talk:MV_Awa_Maru_(1942)#Sinking_a_War_Crime?
I have not found more reliable sources that clearly state the Awa Maru was a hopsital ship. Most pages that mention "hospital ship" in connection with the Awa Maru appear to be copied from this Wikipedia entry.
I am not a subject matter expert myself. If any of the other users involved in editing this article (such as User:Boneyard90, User:JMOprof, or User:Glrx) have more to add, I would welcome the information. As it stands, I am inclined to think that the term "hospital ship" should not be used in this article to describe the Awa Maru. - Mysterius ( talk) 06:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)