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@ Horse Eye's Back: Why do you say that the source clearly focuses on lynching ? From what I see in the description at Amazon's, the source is about transporting racial hierarchies from the South to the West. That's not the only problem I have with the recent addition. I also fear it's in the wrong place (Mexican victims are mentioned several paragraphs later), and given the number of lynching victims it seems too long (i.e. WP:UNDUE) in relation with the thousands of African-American victims. Finally, both orthography ("minors") and the reference should be corrected. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:49, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
@ DolyaIskrina: Thanks for providing the quote. Since the "Cite" templates have a chapter parametre expecting the chapter's title, maybe you could provide the title. I added the chapter number to the minutes parametre, which is surely not correct. I removed the part about the rate, since it was not clear (rate per year / per capita and year ? Only counting Mexican / Chilean miners or counting all Mexicans / Chileans living in California ?), and I also changed the order, giving priority to the lynchings of abolitionists, since e.g. Elijah Lovejoy was lynched in 1837. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Okay @ Generalrelative: please tell me what's wrong with this source. Tiggy The Terrible ( talk) 17:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
When combined with the new Tolnay-Beck data (Beck 2015), we record 4,467 total victims of lynching from 1883 to 1941. Of these victims, 4,027 were men, 99 were women, and 341 were unknown gender (although likely male); 3,265 were black, 1,082 were white, 71 were Mexican or of Mexican descent, 38 were American Indian, 10 were Chinese, and 1 was Japanese.
From 1883 to 1941 there were roughly 4,467 victims of lynching. Of these, 4,027 were male, and 99 female. 341 were of unknown gender, but are assumed likely male. Roughly 3,265 were black, 1,082 were white, 71 were Mexican or of Mexican descent, 38 were American Indian, 10 were Chinese, and one was Japanese.
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Rsk6400:
Editors most frequently choose high-quality reliable sources. However, other sources may be appropriate, including: historically important publications; creative works or primary sources discussed extensively in the article; and seminal, but now outdated, scientific papers. When such sources are listed, the relevance of the work should be explained by a brief annotation.
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Kleuske: Before everything else: Can you please explain your edit summary, Don't lie in edit summaries. Thanks.
To me, it looks like a personal attack.
Rsk6400 (
talk)
12:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
User:Rsk6400 says this edit I did was badly worded and not fully supported. I disagree and feel like my addition was noncontroversial but what do you think? The section in my version goes "Most, but not all, lynchings ceased by the 1960s. [1] [2]Records show official records of lynchings in some states happening officially until the 1980s and 1990s. [3] Allegations exist that up to this day, there have been lynchings were listed as suicides and were covered up in Mississippi. [4] [5] [6]" Any thoughts? Lmharding ( talk) 15:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I meant that most official records of declared lynchings stopped after the 1960s. Sorry for the confusing wording. Lmharding ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
References
tuskegee_umkc
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).tuskegee_umkc2
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).There is an image of the September Massacres, but no references to this in the main article apart from the caption of this image. Any editors to this page should add some information about this to the article, and mention in what way it was a lynching/is linked to the practice of lynching, using reliable sources that also mention this link to avoid original research. QueenofBithynia ( talk) 20:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
@ Horse Eye's Back: Why do you say that the source clearly focuses on lynching ? From what I see in the description at Amazon's, the source is about transporting racial hierarchies from the South to the West. That's not the only problem I have with the recent addition. I also fear it's in the wrong place (Mexican victims are mentioned several paragraphs later), and given the number of lynching victims it seems too long (i.e. WP:UNDUE) in relation with the thousands of African-American victims. Finally, both orthography ("minors") and the reference should be corrected. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:49, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
@ DolyaIskrina: Thanks for providing the quote. Since the "Cite" templates have a chapter parametre expecting the chapter's title, maybe you could provide the title. I added the chapter number to the minutes parametre, which is surely not correct. I removed the part about the rate, since it was not clear (rate per year / per capita and year ? Only counting Mexican / Chilean miners or counting all Mexicans / Chileans living in California ?), and I also changed the order, giving priority to the lynchings of abolitionists, since e.g. Elijah Lovejoy was lynched in 1837. -- Rsk6400 ( talk) 08:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Okay @ Generalrelative: please tell me what's wrong with this source. Tiggy The Terrible ( talk) 17:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
When combined with the new Tolnay-Beck data (Beck 2015), we record 4,467 total victims of lynching from 1883 to 1941. Of these victims, 4,027 were men, 99 were women, and 341 were unknown gender (although likely male); 3,265 were black, 1,082 were white, 71 were Mexican or of Mexican descent, 38 were American Indian, 10 were Chinese, and 1 was Japanese.
From 1883 to 1941 there were roughly 4,467 victims of lynching. Of these, 4,027 were male, and 99 female. 341 were of unknown gender, but are assumed likely male. Roughly 3,265 were black, 1,082 were white, 71 were Mexican or of Mexican descent, 38 were American Indian, 10 were Chinese, and one was Japanese.
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Rsk6400:
Editors most frequently choose high-quality reliable sources. However, other sources may be appropriate, including: historically important publications; creative works or primary sources discussed extensively in the article; and seminal, but now outdated, scientific papers. When such sources are listed, the relevance of the work should be explained by a brief annotation.
@
Kleuske: Before everything else: Can you please explain your edit summary, Don't lie in edit summaries. Thanks.
To me, it looks like a personal attack.
Rsk6400 (
talk)
12:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
User:Rsk6400 says this edit I did was badly worded and not fully supported. I disagree and feel like my addition was noncontroversial but what do you think? The section in my version goes "Most, but not all, lynchings ceased by the 1960s. [1] [2]Records show official records of lynchings in some states happening officially until the 1980s and 1990s. [3] Allegations exist that up to this day, there have been lynchings were listed as suicides and were covered up in Mississippi. [4] [5] [6]" Any thoughts? Lmharding ( talk) 15:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I meant that most official records of declared lynchings stopped after the 1960s. Sorry for the confusing wording. Lmharding ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
References
tuskegee_umkc
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).tuskegee_umkc2
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).There is an image of the September Massacres, but no references to this in the main article apart from the caption of this image. Any editors to this page should add some information about this to the article, and mention in what way it was a lynching/is linked to the practice of lynching, using reliable sources that also mention this link to avoid original research. QueenofBithynia ( talk) 20:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)