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I have, at least temporarily, removed the following vowel chart:
IPA | Description | word |
---|---|---|
monophthongs | ||
i~iː | Close front unrounded vowel | hia |
ɪ | Near-close near-front unrounded vowel | Kjint |
ɛ | Open-mid front unrounded vowel | met |
æ | Near-open front unrounded vowel | Kjoakj |
ɒ | Open back rounded vowel | Gott |
ʊ | Near-close near-back rounded vowel | Bock |
y | Close front rounded vowel | Hüs |
ʌ~ɐ | Open-mid back unrounded vowel, Near-open central vowel | Lost |
ɜ~ɜː | Open-mid central unrounded vowel | ferhäa |
ə | Schwa | schmäare |
e | Close front unrounded vowel | Tän |
Plautdietsch is a mixture of Low Prussian, itself a Low German dialect with Baltic influence, and Dutch that underwent further Russian influence as a minority language. It is so utterly non-indicative of the general phonology Low-German that having only this chart in a section on Low German phonology is worse than nothing.
Here is a vowel chart that was for Northern Low Saxon that was deleted for no apparent reason on 2009-10-16. I don't entirely agree with it, e.g. the long a as ɒː ~ oː seems wrong to me and the very conspicuous rounding of the short i is not mentioned; but in my mind, is a far better starting point. Said with all due caution, Northern Low Saxon is generally regarded as the most representative Low German dialect and it is not unreasonable to take this dialect as a reference:
IPA | Description | word | meaning |
---|---|---|---|
monophthongs | |||
i ~ iː | Close front unrounded vowel | hier, mi | here, me |
ɪ | Near-close near-front unrounded vowel | Kind, ik | child, I |
u ~ uː | Close back rounded vowel | Huus | house |
ʊ | Near-close near-back rounded vowel | mutt | must |
y ~ yː | Close front rounded vowel | Hüs’ | houses |
ʏ | Near-close near-front rounded vowel | Lück | gap |
ɛ | Open-mid front unrounded vowel | met, Bedd | with, bed |
e ~ eː ~ ɛː | Close-mid front unrounded vowel or Open-mid front unrounded vowel | geven, Tähn | to give, tooth |
o ~ oː | Open-mid back unrounded vowel, Close central rounded vowel | hoog | high |
ɔ | Open back rounded vowel | Pott, Bock | pot, buck |
ø ~ øː ~ œː | Close-mid front rounded vowel or Open-mid front rounded vowel | över, œver | over |
œ | Open-mid front rounded vowel | Pött | pots |
ɒː ~ oː | Open back rounded vowel or Close-mid back rounded vowel | Saat | seed |
a | Open front unrounded vowel | Katt | cat |
@ Naramaru: Mentioning only the Standard German name in the lede to the exclusion of at least Standard Dutch makes no sense. The language has an official status in the Netherlands, just like in Germany.
I don't understand the "Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese, Arabic, Suaheli" part. Low German is a recognized minority language in Mexico, Bolivia, Paraguay and Brazil. It's safe to add at least Spanish and Portuguese (not counting other languages spoken in the first three countries, besides Spanish). Sol505000 ( talk) 14:38, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
If you look at file:Map_of_the_Low_German_Dialects.svg, there are two varieties (14) Low Bergish, see Bergish dialects, (but see also Limburgish) and (15) Meuse-Rhenish, see Meuse-Rhenish, (but see also Brabantian) which do not appear in the list here. I don't know where they should go in the taxonomy, so I didn't add them myself, but they should be added by someone who knows what they are doing. Thank you!-- 91.64.210.178 ( talk) 13:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
There are different uses of the term "Low German":
- A specific name of any West Germanic varieties that neither have taken part in the High German consonant shift nor classify as Low Franconian or Anglo-Frisian; this is the scope discussed in this article.
- A broader term for the closely related, continental West Germanic languages unaffected by the High German consonant shift, nor classifying as Anglo-Frisian, and thus including Low Franconian varieties.
-- Thesmp ( talk) 13:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Why isn't western Holstein included in the map called Old Saxon speaking area? Also, wasn't Old Saxon spoken in all of Holstein before the arrival of the Slavic people? 62.113.194.157 ( talk) 13:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
The redirect
German Low German language has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 11 § German Low German language until a consensus is reached.
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
05:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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I have, at least temporarily, removed the following vowel chart:
IPA | Description | word |
---|---|---|
monophthongs | ||
i~iː | Close front unrounded vowel | hia |
ɪ | Near-close near-front unrounded vowel | Kjint |
ɛ | Open-mid front unrounded vowel | met |
æ | Near-open front unrounded vowel | Kjoakj |
ɒ | Open back rounded vowel | Gott |
ʊ | Near-close near-back rounded vowel | Bock |
y | Close front rounded vowel | Hüs |
ʌ~ɐ | Open-mid back unrounded vowel, Near-open central vowel | Lost |
ɜ~ɜː | Open-mid central unrounded vowel | ferhäa |
ə | Schwa | schmäare |
e | Close front unrounded vowel | Tän |
Plautdietsch is a mixture of Low Prussian, itself a Low German dialect with Baltic influence, and Dutch that underwent further Russian influence as a minority language. It is so utterly non-indicative of the general phonology Low-German that having only this chart in a section on Low German phonology is worse than nothing.
Here is a vowel chart that was for Northern Low Saxon that was deleted for no apparent reason on 2009-10-16. I don't entirely agree with it, e.g. the long a as ɒː ~ oː seems wrong to me and the very conspicuous rounding of the short i is not mentioned; but in my mind, is a far better starting point. Said with all due caution, Northern Low Saxon is generally regarded as the most representative Low German dialect and it is not unreasonable to take this dialect as a reference:
IPA | Description | word | meaning |
---|---|---|---|
monophthongs | |||
i ~ iː | Close front unrounded vowel | hier, mi | here, me |
ɪ | Near-close near-front unrounded vowel | Kind, ik | child, I |
u ~ uː | Close back rounded vowel | Huus | house |
ʊ | Near-close near-back rounded vowel | mutt | must |
y ~ yː | Close front rounded vowel | Hüs’ | houses |
ʏ | Near-close near-front rounded vowel | Lück | gap |
ɛ | Open-mid front unrounded vowel | met, Bedd | with, bed |
e ~ eː ~ ɛː | Close-mid front unrounded vowel or Open-mid front unrounded vowel | geven, Tähn | to give, tooth |
o ~ oː | Open-mid back unrounded vowel, Close central rounded vowel | hoog | high |
ɔ | Open back rounded vowel | Pott, Bock | pot, buck |
ø ~ øː ~ œː | Close-mid front rounded vowel or Open-mid front rounded vowel | över, œver | over |
œ | Open-mid front rounded vowel | Pött | pots |
ɒː ~ oː | Open back rounded vowel or Close-mid back rounded vowel | Saat | seed |
a | Open front unrounded vowel | Katt | cat |
@ Naramaru: Mentioning only the Standard German name in the lede to the exclusion of at least Standard Dutch makes no sense. The language has an official status in the Netherlands, just like in Germany.
I don't understand the "Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, Chinese, Arabic, Suaheli" part. Low German is a recognized minority language in Mexico, Bolivia, Paraguay and Brazil. It's safe to add at least Spanish and Portuguese (not counting other languages spoken in the first three countries, besides Spanish). Sol505000 ( talk) 14:38, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
If you look at file:Map_of_the_Low_German_Dialects.svg, there are two varieties (14) Low Bergish, see Bergish dialects, (but see also Limburgish) and (15) Meuse-Rhenish, see Meuse-Rhenish, (but see also Brabantian) which do not appear in the list here. I don't know where they should go in the taxonomy, so I didn't add them myself, but they should be added by someone who knows what they are doing. Thank you!-- 91.64.210.178 ( talk) 13:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
There are different uses of the term "Low German":
- A specific name of any West Germanic varieties that neither have taken part in the High German consonant shift nor classify as Low Franconian or Anglo-Frisian; this is the scope discussed in this article.
- A broader term for the closely related, continental West Germanic languages unaffected by the High German consonant shift, nor classifying as Anglo-Frisian, and thus including Low Franconian varieties.
-- Thesmp ( talk) 13:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Why isn't western Holstein included in the map called Old Saxon speaking area? Also, wasn't Old Saxon spoken in all of Holstein before the arrival of the Slavic people? 62.113.194.157 ( talk) 13:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
The redirect
German Low German language has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 11 § German Low German language until a consensus is reached.
Utopes (
talk /
cont)
05:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)