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The article uses two citation practices. Some of the footnotes are full citations; others are short citations. If there are no objections, I will complete the list of references and change the footnotes to the short citation style in use. Best regards, Oldsanfelipe2 ( talk) 22:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Did Louis XIII revoke the Huguenots special privileges or was that done by his son, Louis the XIV "the sun king"...? [It was XIV who persecuted the Huguenots - but Louis XIII (or rather Richelieu) did undermine their military power] 2.26.103.123 ( talk) 21:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Either way, expansion on the ongoing struggles between the crown and the Huguenots would add much to this entry. Lestatdelc 21:42, Apr 6, 2004 (UTC)
I don't understand why Louis XIV isn't the son of Louis XIII. Are you implying that Anne of Austria had an affair? Sandy June 17:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
1) The article contends that Richelieu 'was firmly in charge of French policies'. Whilst Richelieu did obviously wield a huge amount of power as Louis's first minister, this does not mean Richelieu acted against, or independently of, the king's wishes. Both recent and older scholarship have disproved the basically Dumasian theory of Richelieu calling all the shots in French politics between 1624 and 1643 due to an idiotic, weak Louis. Lloyd Moote sees Richelieu as, practically, a mere enabler of the kings wishes. Moote argues that Louis's influence may have been implicit over Richelieu; but that Richelieu could do nothing which Louis did not approve. Chevallier has stated that Louis used Richelieu as a conduit through which his will could be enforced. Topin, in the 19thc., had already made clear that Richelieu was Louis's servant, and Louis would push through policy opposed to Richelieu on occassion, whereas Richelieu was not able to do the same. Louis's reign was already 14 years old before Richelieu was re-admitted to the conseil d'etat; it was not until after the day of Dupes in 1630 that Richelieu's position as the King's leading minister was truly entrenched. Richelieu was powerful; but this was largely a result of his success in carrying out the King's desires.
2) Antoine of Bourbon was not the first Bourbon king of France. Henry IV was in 1589. Even a f%$#%$g moron would know THAT!!!!!!! Wollslleybuttock ( talk) 18:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
3)The Habsburgs were most certainly not 'humiliated' by the French in this period (1610-43). One could argue, if anything, the Habsburgs, on Louis's death, were in a far stronger position vis-a-vis France. The Spanish army had beaten the French in a series of battles and sieges between 1635 and 1643; France not able to make Spain sue for peace before 1659. The famous French victory at Rocroi in 1643 was largely an anomaly, in terms of Franco-Spanish battles between 1635 and 1659, it was not representative of an eclipsing of Spanish military power by the French under Louis XIII. And it occurred after Louis XIII's death, if only a few days after. The French war with Spain (one must realise that the 'Habsburgs' were largely two distinct branches: the Spanish Habsburgs and the Austrian Habsburgs, who did not always support each other.) did not end until 1659, with French victory largely being achieved thanks to manifest help from England, who made up for the poor state of the French military. It is a prevaling fallacy that Rocroi was a turning point in military history after which France replaced Spain as the predominant military power in Europe. This did not occur until well into Louis XIV's majority. And even under Louis XIV, the French suffered a series of defeats (in terms of Battles) in the War of Spanish Succession. The Austrian Habsburgs were not 'humiliated' either. They took much from the Westphalian settlement in 1648, continuing the change in focus of their power to entrenching it in their patrimonial lands, rather than trying to extend it in the Empire.
4)It is doubtful whether noble resistance was broken under Louis XIII. 1610-24 was marked by a series of noble revolts, led by figures such as Conde - a prince of the Blood - and Louis's own mother Marie de Medici. Whilst there was relative stability between 1624 and 1643, the Fronde, 1648-53, was a major rebellion of officiers and nobility, against Mazarin. Whilst this may have occurred after Louis's death, it shows that the nobility had not been completely tamed.
5) The Huguenots' rights were not completely destroyed by Louis. Louis fought several military campaigns against them between 1618 and 1629, not all of which were successful. However, by 1629 Louis had finally taken the fort of La Rochelle, the last of the Huguenot fortresses, and a symbolic bulwark of French Protestant military power. After 1629, Huguenot rights were reduced, but not destroyed. Louis was more concerned with ensuring they could not militarily resist him again; he did not take away their right to worship in certain areas. It was only under Louis XIV in 1685 that the edict of Nantes was completely revoked. This essentially re-criminalised the Huguenots.
6) Moote gives some fascinating insights into Louis's sexual liasons with Anne. He did indeed not consummate the marriage immediately, but he did eventually. I think it's pretty certain that Louis XIV was Louis XIII's son. There would have been far more of a succession problem if his right to the throne was questionable on illegitimacy grounds. The fact Louis XIV was accepted as a minor king, shows there must have been a powerful belief in his legitimacy.
7) Don't believe Dumas's portrait of Louis. He was not an idiot or a weakling. Dumas wrote a fictional book - it is not history!!!
Unfortunately, most books on this period focus on the ministers - Richelieu and Mazarin, but a few good intro Books: A. Lloyd Moote, Louis XIII, the just. Good in restoring Louis's reputation, but a bit lightweight and populist. Chevallier, Louis XIII. Large, French, but more serious than Moote. Bonney, R., The King's debts. A good run down of French history 1589-1661, through the lens of finances Hayden,J. Michael, The Estates General of 1614. Good for the regency. Parrott, D., Richelieu's army. One of the best books around on early modern military history, and highlights the manifest inadequacies of the French military machine under Louis and Richelieu.
This article states "Born at the Château de Fontainebleau, Louis was the eldest child of Henry IV and Marie de' Medici. His father was the first Bourbon king of France, having succeeded his second cousin, Henry III."
The article on Henry IV says Henry IV is the 9th cousin once removed of Henry III. I don't see how both of these can be right. Shadowoftime 4:43, 14 March 2005 (UTC)
On his father's side, through whom he inherited the French throne, Henry IV was Henry III's 9th cousin once removed. However, Henry IV's mother, Jeanne d'Albret, was a niece of King Francis I, and thus the two Henries were also second cousins. It is also the case that Henry III was Henry IV's brother-in-law - people can have multiple relationships with one another. john k 15:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Like many other royalty related articles, this once had a pretty decent portrait on the page that is now missing, PUT IT BACK!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cloud Stryfe ( talk • contribs)
There was a portrait by Peter Paul Reubens, and it is in the older versions Cloud Stryfe 17:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the part of the article reading "As a child, he was encouraged to masturbate in public and to put his hands up the dresses of ladies of the court" should be removed. It is unclear whether or not the comment really came from the source in question, and I cannot check it since I do not have the referenced book, though I suspect the source is question is of dubious quality anyway. Even if the assertion is true, however, such a fact is irrelevant to the article and should be removed, as Louis XIII is not known for this alleged fact; in fact, even if true, it is an obscure and unimportant part of his reign at best. Josh 01:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
This picture of the merging of parent and child, with the father complaining that he is the one "beaten out" and in need of pity, is common for the intrusive mode. Similar confusion between parent and child can be seen in the severe punishments for masturbation championed by the child-training literature since Tissot. Prior to this, children were masturbated by adults and even licked on their bodies as though they were substitute breasts. For instance, Little Louis XIII, in 1603, was described by his pediatrician as having his penis and breasts kissed by everyone in the court, and his parents would regularly make him part of sexual intercourse in the royal bed. But childrearing reformers beginning in the eighteenth century began to try to bring this open sexual abuse under control, only it was the child who was now punished for touching his or her genitals, under threat of circumcision, clitoridectomy, infibulation and various cages and other genital restraint devices. These terrorizing warnings and surgical interventions only began to die out at the end of the nineteenth century, after two hundred years of brutal and totally unnecessary assault on children's bodies and psyches for touching themselves. Despite the reformers' efforts, progress was so uneven that one British journalist could write in 1924 that "cases of incest are terribly common in all classes. [Usually] the criminal...goes unpunished...Two men coming out from [an incest] trial were overheard saying to a woman who deplored there had been no conviction, ŒWhat nonsense! Men should not be punished for a thing like that. It doesn't harm the child.'"
http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html
So this article makes it even worse than what Coontz reported. -- Scottandrewhutchins 21:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
As a young child, he was often encouraged to fondle himself in public and frequently put his hands up ladies' skirts in the royal court.
There has been inconclusive editing removing and restoring of this comment. At present it sits in the article unsourced. The statement seems unsatisfactory for two reasons:
1. It has tangential relevance to the life of this French king, unless it can be demonstrated that this behaviour somehow affected his later actions. As it stands it could be read as somewhat slanderous on either the young prince, or his parents. It also seems to have some irrelevant titilation value. It may have more value in an article about the history of child sexual abuse.
2. The source quoted in the discussion page is problematic. More sources, or references to primary sources, would be more helpful. For all we know, the one source article quoted could be relying on sources opposed to Louis XIII who wished to slander him. A reference from a historian or biographer who was working with primary sources and was qualified to assess them would be more helpful.
As it stands, I would think that the first point is reason enough to remove this particular statement. I would appreciate any comments for or against. -- Iacobus 00:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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It was called Chris Edwards "FB"s and I truly do not belive his name was that.So I changed it to Louis XIII of France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.154.197.42 ( talk) 21:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
==It is said that the germ wasn't his, so he actually had no child!== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.115.102.230 ( talk) 05:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Which English are we supposed to use, English or American? There is a mixture of both, such as *favourite* followed three words later by *antagonized*. Frania W. ( talk) 13:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Is it necessary to have a separate section for this, stuck between Early life, 1601—1610 & Rule of Marie de' Medici, 1610—1617, when the speech impediment quote is dated 1619? If such section is necessary, it should be moved down next to that of Sexuality, or, yet better, as Louis XIII did have a speech impediment from early childhood on, have it mentioned in section Early life..., which to this date has no details on his early life, only list of ancestors. Frania W. ( talk) 13:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I have often heard that Louis XIII had TB, and that this had a debilitating effect on his life, why is their no discussion of this in the article? Instead we get a lot of sexual rumours (most likely nonsense). 2.26.103.123 ( talk) 21:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Wasn't Louis King of Navarre until 1620, then afterward continue to hold only the title of King of Navarre? GoodDay ( talk) 01:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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Below the Death paragraph in the Spanish version, it is written "edemas" instead of "enema". Enema has the same meaning in Spanish and English as well. Thanks. Carolina MarDa ( talk) 00:15, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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The lines about the "monopoly on force" and the outlawing of private violence are irrelevant to the article itself and are clearly an attempt to shill libertarian ideology. In case my comment itself seems to be a case of political bias,check the source for that line, it is a book about libertarian ideology,not french history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1DF0:7640:DF0:27F8:CF00:C957 ( talk) 23:42, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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I would especially point to this passage: "His interests as a teenager were focused on male courtiers and he developed an intense emotional attachment to his favourite, Charles d'Albert, although some say there is no clear evidence of a sexual relationship." It seems to conflate emotional attachment with sexual relationship, which are different subjects, and direct focus to a question (did he or didn't he?) which isn't really suited to an encyclopedia. The above passage is followed with a reciation of various pieces of evidence which suggest the king was an active homosexual, and that is the end of the matter. This would be satisfactory for the National Enquirer, but for an encyclopedia, relevance should be established by way of connection with larger themes. Did ridicule or the desire to hide something affect the quality of the king's work? Did homosexual sex affect his health? Did his attraction to foreign potentates or ambassadors affect French diplomacy? And so on. Without this, the material in the article serves mainly to titillate the reader. WmDKing ( talk) 21:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please change the phrase "may have been homosexual" to "may have been bisexual", for, as a father of biological children, and having been able to marry a woman, he most obviously was NOT!!! gay!!!! As a homosexual woman I can assure you such uneducated false facts popularized by bisexuals that don't even know what homosexuality (or monosexuality in general) is are extremely offensive and painful to us real homosexuals!! 2A02:3035:E0C:B5E0:4B0D:1021:33:E440 ( talk) 05:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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The article uses two citation practices. Some of the footnotes are full citations; others are short citations. If there are no objections, I will complete the list of references and change the footnotes to the short citation style in use. Best regards, Oldsanfelipe2 ( talk) 22:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Did Louis XIII revoke the Huguenots special privileges or was that done by his son, Louis the XIV "the sun king"...? [It was XIV who persecuted the Huguenots - but Louis XIII (or rather Richelieu) did undermine their military power] 2.26.103.123 ( talk) 21:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Either way, expansion on the ongoing struggles between the crown and the Huguenots would add much to this entry. Lestatdelc 21:42, Apr 6, 2004 (UTC)
I don't understand why Louis XIV isn't the son of Louis XIII. Are you implying that Anne of Austria had an affair? Sandy June 17:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
1) The article contends that Richelieu 'was firmly in charge of French policies'. Whilst Richelieu did obviously wield a huge amount of power as Louis's first minister, this does not mean Richelieu acted against, or independently of, the king's wishes. Both recent and older scholarship have disproved the basically Dumasian theory of Richelieu calling all the shots in French politics between 1624 and 1643 due to an idiotic, weak Louis. Lloyd Moote sees Richelieu as, practically, a mere enabler of the kings wishes. Moote argues that Louis's influence may have been implicit over Richelieu; but that Richelieu could do nothing which Louis did not approve. Chevallier has stated that Louis used Richelieu as a conduit through which his will could be enforced. Topin, in the 19thc., had already made clear that Richelieu was Louis's servant, and Louis would push through policy opposed to Richelieu on occassion, whereas Richelieu was not able to do the same. Louis's reign was already 14 years old before Richelieu was re-admitted to the conseil d'etat; it was not until after the day of Dupes in 1630 that Richelieu's position as the King's leading minister was truly entrenched. Richelieu was powerful; but this was largely a result of his success in carrying out the King's desires.
2) Antoine of Bourbon was not the first Bourbon king of France. Henry IV was in 1589. Even a f%$#%$g moron would know THAT!!!!!!! Wollslleybuttock ( talk) 18:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
3)The Habsburgs were most certainly not 'humiliated' by the French in this period (1610-43). One could argue, if anything, the Habsburgs, on Louis's death, were in a far stronger position vis-a-vis France. The Spanish army had beaten the French in a series of battles and sieges between 1635 and 1643; France not able to make Spain sue for peace before 1659. The famous French victory at Rocroi in 1643 was largely an anomaly, in terms of Franco-Spanish battles between 1635 and 1659, it was not representative of an eclipsing of Spanish military power by the French under Louis XIII. And it occurred after Louis XIII's death, if only a few days after. The French war with Spain (one must realise that the 'Habsburgs' were largely two distinct branches: the Spanish Habsburgs and the Austrian Habsburgs, who did not always support each other.) did not end until 1659, with French victory largely being achieved thanks to manifest help from England, who made up for the poor state of the French military. It is a prevaling fallacy that Rocroi was a turning point in military history after which France replaced Spain as the predominant military power in Europe. This did not occur until well into Louis XIV's majority. And even under Louis XIV, the French suffered a series of defeats (in terms of Battles) in the War of Spanish Succession. The Austrian Habsburgs were not 'humiliated' either. They took much from the Westphalian settlement in 1648, continuing the change in focus of their power to entrenching it in their patrimonial lands, rather than trying to extend it in the Empire.
4)It is doubtful whether noble resistance was broken under Louis XIII. 1610-24 was marked by a series of noble revolts, led by figures such as Conde - a prince of the Blood - and Louis's own mother Marie de Medici. Whilst there was relative stability between 1624 and 1643, the Fronde, 1648-53, was a major rebellion of officiers and nobility, against Mazarin. Whilst this may have occurred after Louis's death, it shows that the nobility had not been completely tamed.
5) The Huguenots' rights were not completely destroyed by Louis. Louis fought several military campaigns against them between 1618 and 1629, not all of which were successful. However, by 1629 Louis had finally taken the fort of La Rochelle, the last of the Huguenot fortresses, and a symbolic bulwark of French Protestant military power. After 1629, Huguenot rights were reduced, but not destroyed. Louis was more concerned with ensuring they could not militarily resist him again; he did not take away their right to worship in certain areas. It was only under Louis XIV in 1685 that the edict of Nantes was completely revoked. This essentially re-criminalised the Huguenots.
6) Moote gives some fascinating insights into Louis's sexual liasons with Anne. He did indeed not consummate the marriage immediately, but he did eventually. I think it's pretty certain that Louis XIV was Louis XIII's son. There would have been far more of a succession problem if his right to the throne was questionable on illegitimacy grounds. The fact Louis XIV was accepted as a minor king, shows there must have been a powerful belief in his legitimacy.
7) Don't believe Dumas's portrait of Louis. He was not an idiot or a weakling. Dumas wrote a fictional book - it is not history!!!
Unfortunately, most books on this period focus on the ministers - Richelieu and Mazarin, but a few good intro Books: A. Lloyd Moote, Louis XIII, the just. Good in restoring Louis's reputation, but a bit lightweight and populist. Chevallier, Louis XIII. Large, French, but more serious than Moote. Bonney, R., The King's debts. A good run down of French history 1589-1661, through the lens of finances Hayden,J. Michael, The Estates General of 1614. Good for the regency. Parrott, D., Richelieu's army. One of the best books around on early modern military history, and highlights the manifest inadequacies of the French military machine under Louis and Richelieu.
This article states "Born at the Château de Fontainebleau, Louis was the eldest child of Henry IV and Marie de' Medici. His father was the first Bourbon king of France, having succeeded his second cousin, Henry III."
The article on Henry IV says Henry IV is the 9th cousin once removed of Henry III. I don't see how both of these can be right. Shadowoftime 4:43, 14 March 2005 (UTC)
On his father's side, through whom he inherited the French throne, Henry IV was Henry III's 9th cousin once removed. However, Henry IV's mother, Jeanne d'Albret, was a niece of King Francis I, and thus the two Henries were also second cousins. It is also the case that Henry III was Henry IV's brother-in-law - people can have multiple relationships with one another. john k 15:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Like many other royalty related articles, this once had a pretty decent portrait on the page that is now missing, PUT IT BACK!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cloud Stryfe ( talk • contribs)
There was a portrait by Peter Paul Reubens, and it is in the older versions Cloud Stryfe 17:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the part of the article reading "As a child, he was encouraged to masturbate in public and to put his hands up the dresses of ladies of the court" should be removed. It is unclear whether or not the comment really came from the source in question, and I cannot check it since I do not have the referenced book, though I suspect the source is question is of dubious quality anyway. Even if the assertion is true, however, such a fact is irrelevant to the article and should be removed, as Louis XIII is not known for this alleged fact; in fact, even if true, it is an obscure and unimportant part of his reign at best. Josh 01:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
This picture of the merging of parent and child, with the father complaining that he is the one "beaten out" and in need of pity, is common for the intrusive mode. Similar confusion between parent and child can be seen in the severe punishments for masturbation championed by the child-training literature since Tissot. Prior to this, children were masturbated by adults and even licked on their bodies as though they were substitute breasts. For instance, Little Louis XIII, in 1603, was described by his pediatrician as having his penis and breasts kissed by everyone in the court, and his parents would regularly make him part of sexual intercourse in the royal bed. But childrearing reformers beginning in the eighteenth century began to try to bring this open sexual abuse under control, only it was the child who was now punished for touching his or her genitals, under threat of circumcision, clitoridectomy, infibulation and various cages and other genital restraint devices. These terrorizing warnings and surgical interventions only began to die out at the end of the nineteenth century, after two hundred years of brutal and totally unnecessary assault on children's bodies and psyches for touching themselves. Despite the reformers' efforts, progress was so uneven that one British journalist could write in 1924 that "cases of incest are terribly common in all classes. [Usually] the criminal...goes unpunished...Two men coming out from [an incest] trial were overheard saying to a woman who deplored there had been no conviction, ŒWhat nonsense! Men should not be punished for a thing like that. It doesn't harm the child.'"
http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html
So this article makes it even worse than what Coontz reported. -- Scottandrewhutchins 21:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
As a young child, he was often encouraged to fondle himself in public and frequently put his hands up ladies' skirts in the royal court.
There has been inconclusive editing removing and restoring of this comment. At present it sits in the article unsourced. The statement seems unsatisfactory for two reasons:
1. It has tangential relevance to the life of this French king, unless it can be demonstrated that this behaviour somehow affected his later actions. As it stands it could be read as somewhat slanderous on either the young prince, or his parents. It also seems to have some irrelevant titilation value. It may have more value in an article about the history of child sexual abuse.
2. The source quoted in the discussion page is problematic. More sources, or references to primary sources, would be more helpful. For all we know, the one source article quoted could be relying on sources opposed to Louis XIII who wished to slander him. A reference from a historian or biographer who was working with primary sources and was qualified to assess them would be more helpful.
As it stands, I would think that the first point is reason enough to remove this particular statement. I would appreciate any comments for or against. -- Iacobus 00:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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It was called Chris Edwards "FB"s and I truly do not belive his name was that.So I changed it to Louis XIII of France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.154.197.42 ( talk) 21:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
==It is said that the germ wasn't his, so he actually had no child!== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.115.102.230 ( talk) 05:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Which English are we supposed to use, English or American? There is a mixture of both, such as *favourite* followed three words later by *antagonized*. Frania W. ( talk) 13:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Is it necessary to have a separate section for this, stuck between Early life, 1601—1610 & Rule of Marie de' Medici, 1610—1617, when the speech impediment quote is dated 1619? If such section is necessary, it should be moved down next to that of Sexuality, or, yet better, as Louis XIII did have a speech impediment from early childhood on, have it mentioned in section Early life..., which to this date has no details on his early life, only list of ancestors. Frania W. ( talk) 13:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I have often heard that Louis XIII had TB, and that this had a debilitating effect on his life, why is their no discussion of this in the article? Instead we get a lot of sexual rumours (most likely nonsense). 2.26.103.123 ( talk) 21:29, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Wasn't Louis King of Navarre until 1620, then afterward continue to hold only the title of King of Navarre? GoodDay ( talk) 01:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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The lines about the "monopoly on force" and the outlawing of private violence are irrelevant to the article itself and are clearly an attempt to shill libertarian ideology. In case my comment itself seems to be a case of political bias,check the source for that line, it is a book about libertarian ideology,not french history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1DF0:7640:DF0:27F8:CF00:C957 ( talk) 23:42, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
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I would especially point to this passage: "His interests as a teenager were focused on male courtiers and he developed an intense emotional attachment to his favourite, Charles d'Albert, although some say there is no clear evidence of a sexual relationship." It seems to conflate emotional attachment with sexual relationship, which are different subjects, and direct focus to a question (did he or didn't he?) which isn't really suited to an encyclopedia. The above passage is followed with a reciation of various pieces of evidence which suggest the king was an active homosexual, and that is the end of the matter. This would be satisfactory for the National Enquirer, but for an encyclopedia, relevance should be established by way of connection with larger themes. Did ridicule or the desire to hide something affect the quality of the king's work? Did homosexual sex affect his health? Did his attraction to foreign potentates or ambassadors affect French diplomacy? And so on. Without this, the material in the article serves mainly to titillate the reader. WmDKing ( talk) 21:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please change the phrase "may have been homosexual" to "may have been bisexual", for, as a father of biological children, and having been able to marry a woman, he most obviously was NOT!!! gay!!!! As a homosexual woman I can assure you such uneducated false facts popularized by bisexuals that don't even know what homosexuality (or monosexuality in general) is are extremely offensive and painful to us real homosexuals!! 2A02:3035:E0C:B5E0:4B0D:1021:33:E440 ( talk) 05:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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Please add the category Category:LGBT Roman Catholics. 2601:249:9301:D570:3086:BE89:6B9F:DBEE ( talk) 22:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)