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I am no history scholar but how could Charles the Bald be suceeded by Louis II if it says he recieved the crown AFTER Louis II's death? -- 24.68.196.173 06:26, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There are many Louises here. The Louis II that died in 875 was Charles' nephew Louis II, Holy Roman Emperor. The Louis that succeeded Charles was his son Louis II of France, a.k.a. the Stammerer. I've rewritten it a bit to make it clearer. Markussep 15:54, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Can someone explain why he was called "the Bald"? Was he?
I'm a history student at Sheffield in England and I think I can answer that one. The epithet 'the Bald' is a sort of early medieval humour; it probably means that Charles was really hirsuite, with a full head of hair and a beard to boot!
Not specifically, but my seminar leader assures me that's the case and she's very knowledgable on early medieval England and Francia.
Could it be instead that "bald" was originally Old High German bald meaning "bold"? The Latin translation of his name may have been in error. -- 146.142.4.32 ( talk) 16:04, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Reading through the article I came across the following sentence ...
The attempts made by Louis the Pious to assign Charles a subkingdom, first Alemannia (829), then Italy (in 832, after a rising of Lothair), and then the country between the Meuse and the Pyrenees (in 832, after the rising of Pepin I of Aquitaine).
Attempts were what, successful? unsuccessful? dogged with difficulty until ultimately successful? Lacking sources myself I am obviously unable to correct it so I am posting this in the hope that someone can confirm and edit this sentence. Tyhopho 15:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Here's a coin of Charles the Bald. Doesn't seem to have so much hair indeed. Feel free to insert it into the article. Cheers PHG ( talk) 09:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
The article claims in two sections, that the coronation of Charles took place on December 29, but this is false, as it was December 25th 875 -- Christopher von Babenberg -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.230.129.6 ( talk) 17:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Charles the Bald/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Good long artilce, but needs cites. Coemgenus 15:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 15:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 11:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I understand that this article has been around for a while and that there is a dispute on the coronation date. Does anyone have an update for this? Otherwise I will attempt to find a reliable source to verify. Gmason30 ( talk) 22:49, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Why was Charles the Bald so unpopular within his dominion? Is there any literary evidence to how he ruled the people? I will research this just in case there aren't any answers and I'll add it in. Gmason30 ( talk) 22:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Surtsicna has changed Charles's title from Carolingian emperor to Frankish emperor on the ground that he is trying for consistency with emperors after Charles the Fat, who were not Carolingians. This is obviously correct as the Caolingian dynasty came to an end with Charles the Fat's deposition in 888. This is no reason why Carolingian emperors should not be described as Carolingian. Dudley Miles ( talk) 15:19, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Boubloub your edit at [1] cites a source in French. Wikipedia:Verifiability says "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance." As there are good English language sources on Charles the Bald, including Nelson's biography, I do not think foreign language sources should be cited for this article. It makes it more difficult for readers to check and follow up sources cited. Dudley Miles ( talk) 20:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Bald Old German Foremost, king, prince, lord. Also beald. Refer to Baldr, called Foremost, Poetic Edda. Contemporary Anglo-Saxon Chronicles Sæbald (Foremost in Victory) 2600:387:8:5:0:0:0:9D ( talk) 18:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus against move. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:07, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
CONSISTENT applies because these are rare exceptions in the List of French monarchs; almost all of them use the proposed form, such as Robert I of France, Louis V of France, Philip III of France. RECOGNIZABILITY applies because even readers familiar with European monarches are unlikely to recognize which country many of these belong to.
COMMONNAME likely applies to
Charles the Bald,
Louis the Stammerer, and
Charles the Fat. Given that names like "Charles II" are not distinct it is difficult to determine just the comparative frequency, but a search on Google Scholar suggests the ordinal form is the most common:
Louis XVII should be included for moving to "Louis XVII of France". GoodDay ( talk) 19:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
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I am no history scholar but how could Charles the Bald be suceeded by Louis II if it says he recieved the crown AFTER Louis II's death? -- 24.68.196.173 06:26, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There are many Louises here. The Louis II that died in 875 was Charles' nephew Louis II, Holy Roman Emperor. The Louis that succeeded Charles was his son Louis II of France, a.k.a. the Stammerer. I've rewritten it a bit to make it clearer. Markussep 15:54, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Can someone explain why he was called "the Bald"? Was he?
I'm a history student at Sheffield in England and I think I can answer that one. The epithet 'the Bald' is a sort of early medieval humour; it probably means that Charles was really hirsuite, with a full head of hair and a beard to boot!
Not specifically, but my seminar leader assures me that's the case and she's very knowledgable on early medieval England and Francia.
Could it be instead that "bald" was originally Old High German bald meaning "bold"? The Latin translation of his name may have been in error. -- 146.142.4.32 ( talk) 16:04, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Reading through the article I came across the following sentence ...
The attempts made by Louis the Pious to assign Charles a subkingdom, first Alemannia (829), then Italy (in 832, after a rising of Lothair), and then the country between the Meuse and the Pyrenees (in 832, after the rising of Pepin I of Aquitaine).
Attempts were what, successful? unsuccessful? dogged with difficulty until ultimately successful? Lacking sources myself I am obviously unable to correct it so I am posting this in the hope that someone can confirm and edit this sentence. Tyhopho 15:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Here's a coin of Charles the Bald. Doesn't seem to have so much hair indeed. Feel free to insert it into the article. Cheers PHG ( talk) 09:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
The article claims in two sections, that the coronation of Charles took place on December 29, but this is false, as it was December 25th 875 -- Christopher von Babenberg -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.230.129.6 ( talk) 17:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Charles the Bald/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Good long artilce, but needs cites. Coemgenus 15:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 15:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 11:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I understand that this article has been around for a while and that there is a dispute on the coronation date. Does anyone have an update for this? Otherwise I will attempt to find a reliable source to verify. Gmason30 ( talk) 22:49, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Why was Charles the Bald so unpopular within his dominion? Is there any literary evidence to how he ruled the people? I will research this just in case there aren't any answers and I'll add it in. Gmason30 ( talk) 22:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Surtsicna has changed Charles's title from Carolingian emperor to Frankish emperor on the ground that he is trying for consistency with emperors after Charles the Fat, who were not Carolingians. This is obviously correct as the Caolingian dynasty came to an end with Charles the Fat's deposition in 888. This is no reason why Carolingian emperors should not be described as Carolingian. Dudley Miles ( talk) 15:19, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Boubloub your edit at [1] cites a source in French. Wikipedia:Verifiability says "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance." As there are good English language sources on Charles the Bald, including Nelson's biography, I do not think foreign language sources should be cited for this article. It makes it more difficult for readers to check and follow up sources cited. Dudley Miles ( talk) 20:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Bald Old German Foremost, king, prince, lord. Also beald. Refer to Baldr, called Foremost, Poetic Edda. Contemporary Anglo-Saxon Chronicles Sæbald (Foremost in Victory) 2600:387:8:5:0:0:0:9D ( talk) 18:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus against move. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:07, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
CONSISTENT applies because these are rare exceptions in the List of French monarchs; almost all of them use the proposed form, such as Robert I of France, Louis V of France, Philip III of France. RECOGNIZABILITY applies because even readers familiar with European monarches are unlikely to recognize which country many of these belong to.
COMMONNAME likely applies to
Charles the Bald,
Louis the Stammerer, and
Charles the Fat. Given that names like "Charles II" are not distinct it is difficult to determine just the comparative frequency, but a search on Google Scholar suggests the ordinal form is the most common:
Louis XVII should be included for moving to "Louis XVII of France". GoodDay ( talk) 19:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)