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This section states the "Atabegs" controlled Northern Luristan from 55ce to the 17th century. This seems clearly wrong. How can a foreign group (Turkish atabegs) rule a region in the heart of the Parthian/Sassanid dynasty? Turks did not even beging migrating to the region in great numbers until the 12th century.
What does it mean, Lurs are Aboriginal Iranians? you mean elamites or Medians? there is a distinguished difference, if lur is closely related to persian, i assume you mean medians,any ways the term aboriginal is not clear what about bakhtiaryis, what are they?
Like all other Iranic groups, Lors are a mixture of indigenous (Elamites) and Aryan/Iranian (Median/Scythian/Persian).
The article is about a province (a place) while much of the article is on the Lur people. please if you have more info on the Lurs add it to its own article. Zanyar 07:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely no!!! You think that lak people in Luristan are Lur!!!! they are Kurd, and most of laks in Kermanshah, Ilam, and Iraq consider themselves Kurd. Even Laks in Luristan consider themselves Lak not Lur.-- Lekistan ( talk) 05:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
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After all we know about horseback riding, the alleged date for the cave painting is absolute nonsense. At least, the date must be removed until scientific attestation. 93.199.19.108 ( talk) 16:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
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@ Rizorius: are you just using the survey because it fits your POV or do you actually know if it exists. Also it counts Laki as Luri which is a Kurdish language, so why do you consider it a reliable reference when it clearly contradicts the info in the demographics section? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 06:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Let's not use Instagram as a reference. You can probably find Kurds who think they are Turks... Does that mean Kurdish is a Turkish dialect? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 10:43, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Instagram and tweets are not reliable references for language classification. I get that there can be Laks who consider themselves Luri, but what does that have to do with language classification that is done by experts on the field? The methodology of the survey is misleading and shouldn't be used on Wikipedia. I do support adding the local Laki name over Sorani but the template would stay the same. -- Semsûrî ( talk) 11:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
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People of this province speaks Lurish by 91.5% based on Iran's official claims. [1] [2] [3] Kurdish is almost non-existent in this province(0.5%) based on official references. Setenly ( talk) 03:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
As explained above, we don't use primary sources for this matter. Why should we trust Iran and their surveys? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 14:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
We're not talking about Iran's government, this is a study. Wikipedia works based on references, and for this matter this is one of the few reliable resources. mostly an independent survey published in 2010 and based on 31 books! Setenly ( talk) 15:08, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
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AGREED.Im from Lorestan and I can prove these informations are made by kurds.90 percent of lorestan are Lurs and Laks aren't kurd. Esi1903 ( talk) 23:06, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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Add Luti name because it is majority language here it is اُستونِ لۆرستان 12.25.223.163 ( talk) 05:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Dear editors, I added the Kurdish name of the province for the Article, but there seems to be some problem that some editors don't want that change, and it has been deleted. I want to understand why the Kurdish name cannot be added to the article. Thanks. Abdulbasetaziz ( talk) 23:27, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
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This section states the "Atabegs" controlled Northern Luristan from 55ce to the 17th century. This seems clearly wrong. How can a foreign group (Turkish atabegs) rule a region in the heart of the Parthian/Sassanid dynasty? Turks did not even beging migrating to the region in great numbers until the 12th century.
What does it mean, Lurs are Aboriginal Iranians? you mean elamites or Medians? there is a distinguished difference, if lur is closely related to persian, i assume you mean medians,any ways the term aboriginal is not clear what about bakhtiaryis, what are they?
Like all other Iranic groups, Lors are a mixture of indigenous (Elamites) and Aryan/Iranian (Median/Scythian/Persian).
The article is about a province (a place) while much of the article is on the Lur people. please if you have more info on the Lurs add it to its own article. Zanyar 07:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely no!!! You think that lak people in Luristan are Lur!!!! they are Kurd, and most of laks in Kermanshah, Ilam, and Iraq consider themselves Kurd. Even Laks in Luristan consider themselves Lak not Lur.-- Lekistan ( talk) 05:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
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Takabeg ( talk) 12:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
After all we know about horseback riding, the alleged date for the cave painting is absolute nonsense. At least, the date must be removed until scientific attestation. 93.199.19.108 ( talk) 16:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
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@ Rizorius: are you just using the survey because it fits your POV or do you actually know if it exists. Also it counts Laki as Luri which is a Kurdish language, so why do you consider it a reliable reference when it clearly contradicts the info in the demographics section? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 06:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Let's not use Instagram as a reference. You can probably find Kurds who think they are Turks... Does that mean Kurdish is a Turkish dialect? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 10:43, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Instagram and tweets are not reliable references for language classification. I get that there can be Laks who consider themselves Luri, but what does that have to do with language classification that is done by experts on the field? The methodology of the survey is misleading and shouldn't be used on Wikipedia. I do support adding the local Laki name over Sorani but the template would stay the same. -- Semsûrî ( talk) 11:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
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People of this province speaks Lurish by 91.5% based on Iran's official claims. [1] [2] [3] Kurdish is almost non-existent in this province(0.5%) based on official references. Setenly ( talk) 03:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
As explained above, we don't use primary sources for this matter. Why should we trust Iran and their surveys? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 14:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
We're not talking about Iran's government, this is a study. Wikipedia works based on references, and for this matter this is one of the few reliable resources. mostly an independent survey published in 2010 and based on 31 books! Setenly ( talk) 15:08, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Setenly ( talk) 22:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
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AGREED.Im from Lorestan and I can prove these informations are made by kurds.90 percent of lorestan are Lurs and Laks aren't kurd. Esi1903 ( talk) 23:06, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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Add Luti name because it is majority language here it is اُستونِ لۆرستان 12.25.223.163 ( talk) 05:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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