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1606 - 1593 = 13, with no remainder. So this is in fact, the Thirteen years war, not fifteen years war. And I have the proof:
Turnbull, Stephen. The Ottoman Empire 1326 - 1699. New York: Osprey, 2003. Tourskin 18:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the war began in 1592 with Ottoman conquest of Bihac, so, from 1592 to 1606, both included, that makes 15 campaigns. That is the reason for the traditional name of "Fifteen Years War", but current historians prefer "Hungary Long War". For example:
FINKEL, Caroline, The Administration of Warfare: The Ottoman Campaigns in Hungary, 1593-1606, Vienna, VWGÖ, 1988 JAČOV, Marko: L’Europa tra conquiste ottomane e Leghe Sante. Città del Vaticano: Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana, 2001.
Also, I'm not sure if calling it a "Decisive Ottoman Victory" is accurate. The borders with Royal Hungary remained virtually the same after the war as before (but this in itself is a victory for the Habsburgs, as it represented the first full-scale war the Ottomans did not gain territory in Central Europe.
Transylvania's lords may have become more divided in their allegiance, but they were out of the reach of the Habsburgs anyway. Most significantly, the treaty of 1606 regardless as to intent, increased the standing of the Habsburgs vis-a-vis the Ottomans. I would say that as a matter of historical accuracy, the war was "inconclusive." Both sides ended the fighting due to internal exhaustion rather than any military advantage. 1706, Sept 4, 2009.
I fixed a couple of words here and there to correct the English. However:
"The combined Habsburg-Transylvanian force of approximately 45-50,000 troops was defeated by the Ottoman army, due to the fact that at one point of the battle, while considering victorious, the Christian soldiers started to plunder the Turkish camp." [pre-correction]
doesn't make much sense. The stated reasoning doesn't explain why the Christian allies lost to the Turks. Can someone modify this to clarify? HammerFilmFan ( talk) 09:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmFan
In Hungary was diet and legislature, so what? Did they have their own army? Just look at the battles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Campaignbox_Long_War_(Ottoman_wars). Hungary isn't anywhere as combatant Dfsdsrsersdf ( talk) 06:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Stop off at your, and searching for sources that Hungary was a disenfranchised province and not Kingdom in 1591. Doncsecz talk 08:42, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The Christian forces between 1591-1595 penetrated into the Balkan, but was intense fightings also in Hungary. After 1596 only in Hungary was battles and sieges. The Wallachians in 1600 excluded from the war (Michael wallachian ruler was failed). Doncsecz talk 09:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
A discussion on a major conflict infobox is taking place at Template talk:WW2InfoBox#Allies.. All input welcome. Thank you. walk victor falk talk 07:21, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
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I would be bold and move this to "Long Turkish War" straight off, since this is what English-speaking historians call it (searches on Google Books for the terms "Long Turkish War", "Fifteen Years' War" and "Long War" are revealing in this respect); but I thought I'd check that there are no objections first. Are there? -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 01:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
There is no such language as Serbo-Croatian. That was a construct of communist Yugoslavia. Continuing to use that term is an insult to both the Serbian and Croatian people.
Is this another example of "Western-splaining"? 104.158.48.139 ( talk) 17:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
The history section for 1593 does not appear to be correct
It says "The Long Turkish War started on July 29, 1593, when the Ottoman army under Sinan Pasha launched a campaign against the Habsburg Monarchy and captured Győr( Turkish: Yanıkkale) and Komárom ( Turkish: Komaron) in 1594."
Gyor was taken on on September 29 and Pápa fell on October 3.1594.
The Turks came to Komarom on October 4.. the increasingly cold weather, an infectious disease that broke out in the camp, the stubborn resistance of the besieged, and the news about the liberation wars forced the Grand Vizier to abandon the siege. on October 25,
See this
http://varlap.hu/content/vkt_2013_4/vkt_2013_4_2_5.pdf 198.251.56.38 ( talk) 23:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Here is a brief story of the fall of Gyor. I will not spend my time adding to the article and having an "editor" delete it. I offer the info and someone smarter than I am can add it in the proper format.
During the Long Turkish War (1593-1606), on July 31, 1594, the Grand Vezir, with his large imperial army, besieged Győr, a vital fortress on the Danube protecting the routes to Vienna.
While the fortress was under siege, Archduke Matthias, with 50,000 men, stayed in the Szigetköz (Slovak: Malý Žitný ostrov). Though he sent supplies, he not nothing to lift the siege. Castellan Ferdinand Hardegg and his deputy Niklas Perlin plead for help but Matthias’ army does not move. Circa September 10, Matthias withdraws from the Szigetköz and morale plummets in Győr.
After two months of siege, with the ramparts destroyed, and a defence could not be made against a large assault, the garrison surrenders on September 27 and leaves the fortress two days later. On October 9, Hardegg and Perlin were brought to Vienna and investigated for their surrender. Though the garrison had done everything possible, the court determined that there was no reason to surrender the strongest fortress in Christendom. There is no investigation of Matthias’ inaction. Hardegg and Perlin are found guilty and King Rudolf II sentenced them to death. On June 15, 1595 at 9 a.m. in Vienna's Am Hof square, Hardegg’s right hand, by which he signed the surrender papers was cut off and he was beheaded. 198.251.56.38 ( talk) 00:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Source https://www-arcanum-com.translate.goog/hu/online-kiadvanyok/Banlaky-banlaky-jozsef-a-magyar-nemzet-hadtortenelme-2/14-a-torok-hatalom-hanyatlasa-miksa-rudolf-es-a-bathoryak-haborui-15671604-2C5B/iii-a-hosszu-15-eves-torok-haboru-idoszaka-1593-tol-1604-ig-2D38/3-az-1594-evi-hadjaratok-2DB9/b-szinan-pasa-1594-evi-hadjarata-tata-szent-marton-gyor-es-papa-eleste-de-komarom-derekasan-tartja-magat-2DC6/?_x_tr_sl=hu&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.251.56.38 ( talk) 00:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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1606 - 1593 = 13, with no remainder. So this is in fact, the Thirteen years war, not fifteen years war. And I have the proof:
Turnbull, Stephen. The Ottoman Empire 1326 - 1699. New York: Osprey, 2003. Tourskin 18:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the war began in 1592 with Ottoman conquest of Bihac, so, from 1592 to 1606, both included, that makes 15 campaigns. That is the reason for the traditional name of "Fifteen Years War", but current historians prefer "Hungary Long War". For example:
FINKEL, Caroline, The Administration of Warfare: The Ottoman Campaigns in Hungary, 1593-1606, Vienna, VWGÖ, 1988 JAČOV, Marko: L’Europa tra conquiste ottomane e Leghe Sante. Città del Vaticano: Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana, 2001.
Also, I'm not sure if calling it a "Decisive Ottoman Victory" is accurate. The borders with Royal Hungary remained virtually the same after the war as before (but this in itself is a victory for the Habsburgs, as it represented the first full-scale war the Ottomans did not gain territory in Central Europe.
Transylvania's lords may have become more divided in their allegiance, but they were out of the reach of the Habsburgs anyway. Most significantly, the treaty of 1606 regardless as to intent, increased the standing of the Habsburgs vis-a-vis the Ottomans. I would say that as a matter of historical accuracy, the war was "inconclusive." Both sides ended the fighting due to internal exhaustion rather than any military advantage. 1706, Sept 4, 2009.
I fixed a couple of words here and there to correct the English. However:
"The combined Habsburg-Transylvanian force of approximately 45-50,000 troops was defeated by the Ottoman army, due to the fact that at one point of the battle, while considering victorious, the Christian soldiers started to plunder the Turkish camp." [pre-correction]
doesn't make much sense. The stated reasoning doesn't explain why the Christian allies lost to the Turks. Can someone modify this to clarify? HammerFilmFan ( talk) 09:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmFan
In Hungary was diet and legislature, so what? Did they have their own army? Just look at the battles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Campaignbox_Long_War_(Ottoman_wars). Hungary isn't anywhere as combatant Dfsdsrsersdf ( talk) 06:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Stop off at your, and searching for sources that Hungary was a disenfranchised province and not Kingdom in 1591. Doncsecz talk 08:42, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The Christian forces between 1591-1595 penetrated into the Balkan, but was intense fightings also in Hungary. After 1596 only in Hungary was battles and sieges. The Wallachians in 1600 excluded from the war (Michael wallachian ruler was failed). Doncsecz talk 09:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
A discussion on a major conflict infobox is taking place at Template talk:WW2InfoBox#Allies.. All input welcome. Thank you. walk victor falk talk 07:21, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
.
I would be bold and move this to "Long Turkish War" straight off, since this is what English-speaking historians call it (searches on Google Books for the terms "Long Turkish War", "Fifteen Years' War" and "Long War" are revealing in this respect); but I thought I'd check that there are no objections first. Are there? -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 01:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
There is no such language as Serbo-Croatian. That was a construct of communist Yugoslavia. Continuing to use that term is an insult to both the Serbian and Croatian people.
Is this another example of "Western-splaining"? 104.158.48.139 ( talk) 17:11, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
The history section for 1593 does not appear to be correct
It says "The Long Turkish War started on July 29, 1593, when the Ottoman army under Sinan Pasha launched a campaign against the Habsburg Monarchy and captured Győr( Turkish: Yanıkkale) and Komárom ( Turkish: Komaron) in 1594."
Gyor was taken on on September 29 and Pápa fell on October 3.1594.
The Turks came to Komarom on October 4.. the increasingly cold weather, an infectious disease that broke out in the camp, the stubborn resistance of the besieged, and the news about the liberation wars forced the Grand Vizier to abandon the siege. on October 25,
See this
http://varlap.hu/content/vkt_2013_4/vkt_2013_4_2_5.pdf 198.251.56.38 ( talk) 23:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Here is a brief story of the fall of Gyor. I will not spend my time adding to the article and having an "editor" delete it. I offer the info and someone smarter than I am can add it in the proper format.
During the Long Turkish War (1593-1606), on July 31, 1594, the Grand Vezir, with his large imperial army, besieged Győr, a vital fortress on the Danube protecting the routes to Vienna.
While the fortress was under siege, Archduke Matthias, with 50,000 men, stayed in the Szigetköz (Slovak: Malý Žitný ostrov). Though he sent supplies, he not nothing to lift the siege. Castellan Ferdinand Hardegg and his deputy Niklas Perlin plead for help but Matthias’ army does not move. Circa September 10, Matthias withdraws from the Szigetköz and morale plummets in Győr.
After two months of siege, with the ramparts destroyed, and a defence could not be made against a large assault, the garrison surrenders on September 27 and leaves the fortress two days later. On October 9, Hardegg and Perlin were brought to Vienna and investigated for their surrender. Though the garrison had done everything possible, the court determined that there was no reason to surrender the strongest fortress in Christendom. There is no investigation of Matthias’ inaction. Hardegg and Perlin are found guilty and King Rudolf II sentenced them to death. On June 15, 1595 at 9 a.m. in Vienna's Am Hof square, Hardegg’s right hand, by which he signed the surrender papers was cut off and he was beheaded. 198.251.56.38 ( talk) 00:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Source https://www-arcanum-com.translate.goog/hu/online-kiadvanyok/Banlaky-banlaky-jozsef-a-magyar-nemzet-hadtortenelme-2/14-a-torok-hatalom-hanyatlasa-miksa-rudolf-es-a-bathoryak-haborui-15671604-2C5B/iii-a-hosszu-15-eves-torok-haboru-idoszaka-1593-tol-1604-ig-2D38/3-az-1594-evi-hadjaratok-2DB9/b-szinan-pasa-1594-evi-hadjarata-tata-szent-marton-gyor-es-papa-eleste-de-komarom-derekasan-tartja-magat-2DC6/?_x_tr_sl=hu&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.251.56.38 ( talk) 00:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)