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In the "International links" section, numerous places are listed as having "friendship links" and the like. Are there any reliable sources for these? Someone has just added somewhere in Gweru, Zimbabwe to the list. I couldn't find anything on google suggesting this should be there. I was tempted to remove it, then started wondering about some of the others too. -- RFBailey 20:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Really don't see why a citation needed tag is placed on this part. Where CAN one get evidence for it? It's purely anecdotal, but having been a local resident since birth, I have never, ever, once seen any sort of major clashes between fans of both Everton and Liverpool. -- Jayau1234 14:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I merged the article "Church Street, Liverpool" (essentially one sentence) into the section "Economy". Delete it if it does not seem notable. -- B. Wolterding 15:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I notice this article does not contain any mention of the Liverpool gay scene. Most articles on cities do at least mention it. It makes it look as if gay people are not welcome in Liverpool and have moved out!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.104.81.0 ( talk • contribs) 2007-05-24.
Under the famous Liverpudlians heading, it says something to the effect of the Beatles being "one of the most, if not the most popular" musical groups from Liverpool. Given the fact that the Beatles are in fact the most popular musical act in history (from Liverpool or otherwise), I think it is safe to say that this is an understatement, and should be revised to reflect this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.198.128 ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Scouseland is the Scouse name for the city and surrounding area and needs to be included along with the English name. It is a part of our identity and differentiates us from England ( BBC Local History: Scouseland). -- Ekstazo 00:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Added in the nickname of the Catholic cathedral,
hope no-one objects,
-- Stanleytheman 21:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
FYI:
New for August: Liverpool lives for the city's 800th birthday.
May be useful for Liverpool- related articles. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 09:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
One thing that I noticed on this page that seems to be a typo is that in the info-box there is an image titled 'Logo'. A more suited name would be 'Coat of Arms'. I would have changed this myself but I am not a very experienced editor, and do not know how. So if anyone could fix this, it would be much appreciated. Blubba112 07:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Most other city pages (see Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield and Glasgow) have sections on music, but this page is missing one. Considering Liverpool's vast musical heritage, this is surprising... Is there anyone out there who might volunteer to add this section? Annihilatenow 14:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Stan Boardman ? Jimmy Tarbuck ? Cilla ? Apart from the Beatles, very little in terms of "culture" has come out of Liverpool. If anything, the city punches well below it weight compared to London or Manchester. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.90.253 ( talk) 08:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
What a bizarre piece of bullshit. Goodness knows what you imagine has come out of manchester, but as for Liverpool's cultural content. It is, outside of london which has 10 times the population, the UK city with the greatest number of galleries, museums, theatres,public sculptures and listed buildings of any city in the UK, is the most filmed city in the country, has the most visited modern art gallery, teh largest collection of arts and artefacts in single ownership than anywhere in the nation, the place where more people visit said galleries and museums more often than any other, has the oldest china town in europe, the largest shopping development in Europe, the largest anglican cathedral on earth, teh most visually recognisable city in the nation other than London, the longest established symphony orchestra, teh first mosque in this country, the largest free music festival in Europe, the largest african festival and largest arab festival. It is according to Guiness the world capital of pop, having produced more number one records than any place on earth. It's is home to the most succesful football team in British sporting history and the world's greatest horserace. The city with the fast growing airport in Europe is a UN World Heritage site, the European Capital of Culture, and the host of the Royal Variety, The Turner Prize and The BBC Nativity will also host this years Tall ships race, the global liverpool sound concert, the Liberal democrat party conference, the WI conference, the MTV music awards and the BBC Sports personality of the year. So I'm confused by liverpool "producing very little of culture" and "punching below its weight compared to Manchester" (Manchester????!) Perhaps the references to "tarby and cilla" mean you measure culture by household names and personalities originating from a town. Hmm... I dunno, let's have a think:
Gladstone, George Stubbs the artist, The Beatles, Arthur Askey, Tommy Handley, Rob Wilton, Sir Rex Harrison, Glenda Jackson, Daniel Craig, Jason Isaacs, Pete Postlethwaite, Paul McGann and his brothers, Sue Jonson, Ricky Tomlinson, Alison Steadman, Frankie Vaughan, Michael Holiday, George Melly, Alexi Sayle, Paul O'Grady, Cilla Black, Patricia Routledge, Kenny Everett, Lee Mack, Phil Redmond, Bill Kenwright, Robert Runcie, John Birt, Peter Sissons, Jon Snow, Anne Robinson, Keith Chegwin, Janice Long, Les Dennis, Linda La Plante, Jimmy McGovern, Carla Laine, Berryl Bainbridge, Alan Bleasdale, Willy Russel, Derek Hatton, Jack Jones, Sporty Spice, Kerry katona, Nicola from girls aloud, Atomic Kitten, Geoffrey Hughes, Jean Alexander (Hilda Ogden), Peter Adamson (Len fairclough), Leonard Rossiter, Peter Serafinowic, Tony Booth, Cherie Blair, Sam Kelly, Gerry and the pacemakers, The Farm, the Lightning Seeds, Dr and the medics, Flock of Seagulls, China Crisis, The Real Thing, Roger Mcough, Craig Charles, Cathy Tyson, The sculptor Arthur Dooley, Levi Tafari, Eddie Braben (morecambe and wise;s joke writer), Tom O'connor, Margi Clarke, Ken Dodd, Jimmy Tarbuck, Stan Boardman, Faith Brown, John Conte, michael owen, Wayne Rooney, Steven Gerard, Robbie Fowler, Red Rum, Ray Quinn, The Searchers, Billy J Kramer, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, The Christians, John Lennon, Sonia, Dead Or Alive, Billy Fury, Elvis Costello, OMD, Claire Sweeney, Jennifer Ellison, Rita Tushingham, Echo and the Bunnymen, Icicle Works, Teardrop Explodes, The Merseybeats, The Swinging Bluejeans, George Davies (founder of next and the famous George of Asda!), Chris Boardman (the cyclist), Tom Baker, Kieran Bracken, Krishnan Guru-Murphy, Kenneth Cope (Randal and Hopkirk), Tom Bell, John Peel, Lewis Collins, Richard Stilgoe, Sir Simon Rattle (conductor Berlin Philharmonic), David Morrisey, Ian Hart, Ron Atkinson, John Parrot, Ted Robbins, Kate Robbins, Freddie Starr, Liza Tarbuck, Jean Boht (Bread), Derek Nimmo, Derek Guyler, Michael Angelis, Clive Barker, Kim Catrall, Tricia Penrose. Clive Swift, Brian Reade, Edwina Currie, Mal Young, Tony Holland, Tony Haygarth, David Yip (The chinese detective), Michael Stark, Philip Olivier, Jemini (! "nul points"!), Jim Bowen (was born here), Craig phillips- winner of the first big brother, Joe Fagan, Rick Astley, Gary Mavers, Elizabeth Sladen (Sarah Jane from Dr Who), Derek Acorah, John Aldridge, Terence Davies (movie director), Alex Curran, Bessie Bradock, Mick Miller, Danielle Lloyd, Brian Epstein, Eton Road, Jimmy Mulville, Bill Tidy, Norman Vaughan. Colleen McCloughlin, Mark Womack, Mimi from Shameless! (plus the bald copper), Paul Barber (Denzil from Only Fools..)..Jonny Vegas, Malandra Burrows, Clive Hornby, Debbie Greenwood, Pete Burns, Carol Decca, David Morrisey, Ramsey Cambell (horror writer), Nerys Hughes, The Wombats, the Zutons, Magda Szubanski (Babe, Kath and Kim), The casts (mostly) of...Bread, Brookside,Grange Hill, Liver Birds, Hollyoaks, Boys from the blackstuff, Lillies, Z cars,Scully, Liverpool one, merseybeat, nice guy eddie, The onedin line, Softly Softly..... and...by parentage.. Mike Myers, Halle Berry, Barbra Dickson and Bob Marley.
Among others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.145.161 ( talk) 11:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Elevation is given as 230ft ... is that correct, it is virtually on the sea RobChafer 17:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Considering how controversial this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighbourhood_Management_Pathfinder_Programme scheme has been, I'm surprised its so bereft of content. Any Liverpudlians care to contribute? I have a couple of images of affected streets. Parrot of Doom 16:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldnt this artical have a world heritage site infobox? Blackwave...... ( talk) 19:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I have just found out about a consultation on the cities future development, called 'Beyond Capital of Culture: A New Dawn for Tourism in Liverpool'. Does any one have any information on this? The only references I can find are on Mersey Travel and also on Mersey Reporter websites as it might be worth adding as a follow up to the Culture link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.106.16 ( talk) 18:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I would recommend a closer layout to that recommended in WP:UKCITIES to help move this article along! -- Jza84 · ( talk) 00:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I have recently crated the article Chinatown, Liverpool, Liverpool is home to Europe's largest Chinese community, there needs to be more information about this on this article, and links to my new article Stevvvv4444 · ( Stevvvv4444) 20:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Liverpool has Europe's oldest/first chinese community..but not its largest. I would imagine that would certainly likely be London. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.145.161 ( talk) 10:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is the city's Welsh name (Lerpwl) listed, and then no further information is giving about the Welsh in Liverpool? Other UK cities don't have the their names in the Welsh language listed (save, obviously, those in Wales). I would recommend that either the Welsh name is removed, to bring the article into line with other city articles on Wikipedia, or a section be added to the article to justify the inclusion of a foreign-language name so prominently. 62.49.22.228 ( talk) 00:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
It was once part of ancient Wales and mythical capital.
Liverpool was never part of 'ancient Wales'... It was known as the Capital of Wales in the early 1900's simply for the fact that there was more Welsh born citizens living in Liverpool than in Cardiff, the capital of Wales.
It should be noted that the Welsh were famed as the builders of 19th century Liverpool and that the Welsh had 'roofed' the world with Welsh slate. -- 92.234.248.31 ( talk) 16:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Liverpools Welsh links are wide rangeing and adequate justification for mention being given on the article. As for why Liverpool has a Welsh name-look at the map.....in the middle ages when borders changed every day of the week, Liverpool was part of wales whilst no dount parts of modern wales were ruled by what became England —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gashmak ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
The first picture should be removed and replaced with a picture of the Pier Head. What is the financial district? Nothing! Liverpool isn't known for it's business area. The first picture should be that of the Pier Head.
The city has the largest personal and commercial insurance services sector outside of London in England. It also has more stockbroking firms, indeed the largest Tilney's which is still independent of the public banks, than any other UK city outside London. Tony S 79.72.115.198 ( talk) 17:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I am at odds with another user Jza84 who appears not have any local knowledge of the Liverpool area, who is questioning my edits on the suburbs of Liverpool (districts not within the city council boundary). I am putting it to debate. Despite my knowledge that places like Huyton or Seaforth are suburbs of Liverpool, the user i am having problems with is set against such a link and quoting wikipedia rules to me. It may be easy to do for someone with experience, however I am doing edits truthfully and with knowledge so why must this person reverse my work? With no discussion? Indeed the Liverpool districts section already had many of these suburbs written in before i ever started using Wikipedia. I do not know if the user is a vandal or just trying too hard to stick to the rules, a jobsworth infact. As the user is probably not local to Liverpool i have to question his quest to reverse my edits on the suburbs of Liverpool. Dmcm2008 ( talk) 12:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
yes you would. I do not know what your problem is. With respect, I do not have a problem leaving these places as individual towns/ villages in their own right. However there is a connection to the city of Liverpool and my own though was use suburb, it is a commonly used word works with places inside and outside city council boundaries. However as you do not wish to come to common ground. If you are local as you say you do appear to be very snobbish and jobsworth in refusing to link these suburbs to Liverpool. Dmcm2008 ( talk) 12:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
As a source goto Merseyside Police as that lists the areas as local! 92.28.106.16 ( talk) 18:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
User Jza84 has systematically tried to remove all my edits to do with Liverpool suburbs. And that includes a section on this Liverpool page called districts; that revealed other districts but not within the city boundary. He has removed this section even though it existed before I came along. All I did was enhance it and correct multiple location places. I have edited in good faith because I wanted to enhance the Liverpool pages but the user Jza84 has a problem with this. I am pulling out of WP due to the users harrassment I hope someone else can stop the user before he completeley strips the Liverpool pages to the bare facts. Best wishes good EDITORS. Dmcm2008 ( talk) 10:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed an unsourced list of places from the article with
this edit. This is because the material was asserting that places outside of Liverpool are part of the city. It was badly formatted and didn't cite its sources. Simillarly, in Lancashire. The buildings of England. Harmondsworth: Penguin. 1969. pp. pp 126, 207–262, 420–1.
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Nikolaus Pevsner gives a list of Liverpool suburbs from Aigburth to Woolton; Whiston, Huyton and other places are not included. --
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This section of Liverpool districts page existed before I ever edited. However because I have enhanced the liverpool suburbs user Jza84 is systematically reverting all my edits. I cannot win. I will leave wp today 15/03/08 and leave this for future editors to work out. Dmcm2008 ( talk) 10:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Nobody is preventing you from improving this article, and I'm sorry you feel this way, but people are asking that you make contributions in accordance with the content policies. You haven't achieved consensus for the changes, and by concentrating on the editors and not the content it's unlikely that any progress will be made. Please, if you wish to add content, then cite a reliable source and seek consensus on the talk page first. Coldmachine Talk 11:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Please use the 'List of towns and cities in England by poulation' article to substantiate the population please.
Liverpool is ranked 3rd and as we are discussing the 'city' and not the 'borough' these figre must be used.
When did Istanbul become a sister city of Liverpool? I can't find anything on the net which verifies this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.227.114 ( talk) 18:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Could someone upload an image of the coat of arms of this city to Commons? Thanks. -- Pabletex ( talk) 18:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I enjoyed the recent nightime image of Liverpools business district, can anyone add this aswell as the waterfront view? Dmcm2008 ( talk) 19:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
can i ask why somebody has been allowed to post slurs against the people of liverpool in the main article this is an unfair view of the people and goes against wikipedias own rules of conduct. can someone please remove the line 'inhabitants of liverpool are known as pikeys... etc.' back to what it was 'inhabitants of liverpool are known as liverpudlians...' i understand it was probably a joke but i think it is in bad taste, especially when the whole world can read these comments. thankyou Fifi27 ( talk) 02:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
A lot of this article is out of date. A lot of tense needs correcting and some information. Doyley Talk 21:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is the main image of the business area. Lets be honest the main image for Liverpool has to be the 3 graces! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.151.142 ( talk) 20:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Would there be much support for a Merseyside Wikiproject as a sub project of Wikiproject:UK Geography? Most other important 'areas' or counties currently benefit from having a focused Wikiproject and I feel Merseyside would do also. I'm asking here before making any formal steps to form the project. Please respond if you would be willing to support such a project. Zenichiro ( talk) 14:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree. My only fear is that there's not enough people interested to get it in full swing. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 16:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I've had a blast at bringing the lead upto a more befitting standard for the city (see this diff). It's not a perfect change by any means, but I think it's a good start. I have to say I'm really appauled by the state this article is in. That's not a slur on any of the previous editors who have clearly worked very hard, but really, for such an important city, I'm surprised by the lack of quality. Yup, that is a challenge! -- Jza84 | Talk 23:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I have just come across this talk page. Having been involved in discussion page to do with Liverpool Urban Area, there are so many dirivatives: Greater Liverpool, Greater Merseyside, city region, Liverpool urban area, Liverpool Bay even. Some have different meanings but it is clear to me that the pages that do exist are at odds with other definitions. This needs to be cleaned up I am willing to participate but it is a big job! Dmcm2008 ( talk) 23:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
The article needs to be watched much closer. Here was a very obvious revert of vandalism removal and the line " Culturally, the city is seen as rascist but there are some of Britian's top Kebab houses there and all ran by Turks and Tunisians." has been present in the article for 3 days. This is not acceptable. Please can more editors watch list the page. Thank you. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 02:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello folks, I'm really keen to see a WikiProject:Merseyside get off the ground to facilitate the development of articles in the region.
I've started a sub page at User:Jza84/Merseyside for all those users who want to declare their interest. Feel free to post a link to that subpage to the necessary talk pages. -- Jza84 | Talk 20:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Jossdickie ( talk) 18:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC) A new radio staition recently opened in Liverpool city centre, which should be added to the main Liverpool article as it has it's own Wikipedia page at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Talk_105.9 Jossdickie ( talk) 18:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I notice Manchester has a City Centre page in this template it would be great if we could adapt a Liverpool city centre page from the Liverpool main page to identify the city centre as opposed to just Liverpool in general Dmcm2008 ( talk) 10:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised that there's no demography section in this article, especially given Liverpool's long ethnic minority histories. Would anyone object to me starting one similar to that at Manchester? Cordless Larry ( talk) 08:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
What counts as a 'Liverpudlian'? The list of famous ones in the article seems to suggest it's someone who was merely born there, rather than who lived there for much of their life. I'd have thought a true Liverpudlian was someone who actually lived in Liverpool as an adult (i.e. by choice rather than by birth). Cf Sean Connery, who claims to be a Scot but lives in the Bahamas or somewhere; I doubt he even counts as a UK national (e.g. for tax purposes). So how about instead listing famous people who actually lived in Liverpool as an adult? Ben Finn ( talk) 18:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
A Merseyside wikiproject has now been set up. The project aims to improve articles related to Merseyside and encourage collaboration between editors to do this. If anyone is interested in becoming a part of the project, please sign up here. Nev1 ( talk) 21:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
AND OF COURSE KATHERINE IS FAMOUS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krp217 ( talk • contribs) 19:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
OK I've merged council wards, constituencies and local districts into the governance section although I haven't had time to chase sources. Also I tidied the intro to the Governance section although I really think that should be in demographics (as it talks about populations). The article is very long and I was thinking that Governance in Liverpool could certainly warrent its own article (forgive me if there is one already) given the turbulent events of militant tendancy in the 80's and the recent problems with debt etc. Anyway before anything like that was done i'd look to expand what is on here but I could do with views on whether people would support the new article. Cheers -- Daviessimo ( talk) 21:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I've just removed some uncited material again. Yes I've been brutal, but I do not want to see a return to this any time soon. That aside, this section that's been written is bad, very bad. What's happened to WP:CITE, WP:LIST and WP:UKCITIES here? These are pretty fundamental to our project. Greater Liverpool? Liverpool Urban Area? These are topics for Geography, not Governance. See Manchester#Governance as an example please. -- Jza84 | Talk 19:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Is the gay section really necessary? It was probably added by a bunch of politically correct politicians, or a bunch of gays. I don’t think it needs it’s own heading. If it is going to be added into a different section then that’s a different matter. It is not so important that it requires it’s own heading! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.95.3 ( talk) 13:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I doubt its doing any harm-i know this is unhelpful, but its as necessary as its unecessary......in other words its a non issue...if its there leave it, if it werent there, i wouldnt be wondering why —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gashmak ( talk • contribs) 22:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
It is necessary to all those people who cant go out for a night out without prejudice, threats and violence just because of their sexuality. Its necessity may be Unfortunate as it a sad reflection of the people of Liverpool and UK. I am proud of being from Liverpool but ashamed of the city's record on race relations and treatment of gay people. A Gay quarter as it is named has existed for many decades since before i was born. Giving it a name doesnt create it. It has existed by the very nature of what it is. A name has simply made it easier to refer to. Officialising the area as a gay district will bring in the £££££ as it did for manchester and London and Birmingham etc etc etc
stephen Liverpool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.195.132.196 ( talk) 14:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Does this mean that a heterosexual section should be included too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.40.47 ( talk) 04:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
To the person who write "It is necessary to all those people who cant go out for a night out without prejudice, threats and violence...":
Grow up you conformist! Get a life! I am laughing to you you sanctomonious politically correct prick! —Preceding
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80.5.252.217 (
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19:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Kettle, pot. ^-- 198.179.147.171 ( talk) 21:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I wonder whether any editors here have knowledge of the term woollyback, the WP article for which was removed over the Christmas period and which I have requested be restored. It is still up for nomination so if you have views for or against this you may wish to let your views be known at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woollyback. If you have any more useful and especially sourced information about the term your contributions to the woollyback article would be welcome. -- Hauskalainen 21:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotection}} They formed in 1892 and have spent their entire history at the Anfield stadium which they occupied on their formation; it had previously between home to Everton.
92.4.127.192 ( talk) 07:46, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I query the description of Everton's departure from Anfield as being "evicted". This isn't supported by the original Club records now held by Liverpool Records Office & accessible on-line. As the comment dosen't cite any reference it should be altered to a more accurate wording. Unfortunately I'm unable to make this correction myself. Gwladys24 ( talk) 22:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
There's a nice image over Liverpool here if we can accomodate it? I think it would be good for the Geography section, with a caption about land-use or urban sprawl for the city. -- Jza84 | Talk 15:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Where the article says Liverpool has more galleries and national museums than any other city in the United Kingdom apart from London I have found a reference for it here: [4]. Unfortunately the article is protected so I cannot add this in, but I hope this will be useful to anyone who can edit it. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.28.14 ( talk) 22:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Where in this is the mention of LIPA?! The Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts. website here: LIPA
94.192.162.158 ( talk) 08:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Under geography section the article suggests that there are 282 days of rain in Liverpool whilst the avergae for the UK is 154. Enough to put you off coming here.
The former reference is from what appears to be a somewhat dodgy source called 'weatherbase' whilst the latter (Uk average) is from an authoratitive source - the UK Met office. The same Met office source indicates (from mapped averages data) that liverpool has in fact less than 130 days rain - so is somewhat less than UK average.
I have confirmed this from other sources (which ties in with my own weather experience living/working around UK).
Unless anyone has objections - I'll go try and change this. I am new to Wikipedia so should make an intersting small challenge. Quantum MaxPlanck ( talk) 23:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of work on it and I don't think it being protected for prolonged periods of time is constructive. Non registered users can make important contributions and at the moment they are unable to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.161.190 ( talk) 19:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The reason for the stated removal of the nick name, 'The Self Pity City' was rm nickname - sources are a mix of forums and yahoo answers - not reliable. All reliable sources show that the term is used in the pejorative sense and can be considered a slur. Might I add that the nickname is most definitely a slur, but a widely used nickname none the less. The sources provided showed that the nickname was used (though obviously not by the City Council), whether the nickname is considered to be complimentary or pejorative is hardly relevent to the stated fact. I hardly think council's in Bradford or Blackpool are going to run out and change their signs to say 'Bradistan' or 'Cesspool', but these are nicknames they are given all the same, in Bradford's case for its high Asian population, and Blackpool's over the assumend cleanliness of the town, beach and sea. The 'Self Pity City' is a nickname used in the media and by everyday people on the street, whether it was less the comlimentary, really doesn't matter, if we were only allowed to write nice things on Wikipedia, there really wouldn't be much point. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 17:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I would hardly have thought that as editors, it is within our powers of discretion to prove or disprove the stereotypes and base our edits on that, we simply state the facts (positive or negative, inoffensive or otherwise, there can be no comprimise on this, otherwise we are failing to provide concise information). I did not state that Liverpool was indeed a city full of self pitying, perm sporting charvers, that would hardly be my place, I simply stated that the nickname in question was used to refer to the city. In my mind the above references provided evidence that it was being used within certain factions, how well it has to be used to be considered a nickname is open to debate.
For instance, The Leeds page, gives the nicknames, 'Capital of the North' and 'Knightsbridge of the North', these are cited, but are certainly not nicknames used by anyone I know, they've just been lifted out of Lonely Planet and a couple of other guidebooks. The man on the street would never use them, the North doesn't have a capital and Leeds probably better emulates Croydon then Knightsbridge. The 'Self Pity City' nickname is somewhat different, it would certainly not be used in council literature, but it is actually used by everyday people in the street. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 18:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
The nickname 'the pool' has been added, with no citation, and I have never heard of this. The term 'pool' or 'pools' is more often used as an abreviation for Hartlepool. The page for Mackworth lists 'Smackworth' as a nick name and the page for Pontefract lists 'Ponte Carlo' as a nick name, neither of which is complimentary, although one with a unique sense of irony. I would not say that Lonely Planet or other prentensious travel guides listing these terms makes them 'nicknames', In my eyes proving they are used in an every day context makes them a nickname, while the citations I provided may not have been from the most respected authorities, an encyclopeia Brittanica citation would have been inpertinent given the context of the information. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 16:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
While you may be strictly correct in deleting my sentence I think your reasoning is wrong. The "cathedrals" you speak of elsewhere are little more than nice parish churches, awarded "cathedral" status simply because of a the establishment of a new, usually Catholic, bishopric. Liverpool's two cathedrals were both purpose-built as such, and with the possible exception of the extension to Coventry cathedral are, AFAIK, the last two cathedrals to be built in the UK. I will seek sources. Also Liverpool does have three universities, which again I think is unique outside London. RodCrosby ( talk) 12:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
There is something wrong there. It is manifestly not in "Queen Anne style" as defined by WP Queen Anne style. Liverpool city council are not an "authority" on architectural styles, I would have thought. Perhaps they were using it as shorthand for buildings constructed in the style of the period of Queen Anne, which, confusingly, is something quite different to Queen Anne style. Sharples (2004) does not describe it as Queen Anne style; he does not ascribe any formal stylistic category to it, but describes it as "a vigorous but provincial style derived from Wren." [p.7] NB: compare photo of Hampton Court on the Wren page. RodCrosby ( talk) 13:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have noticted you have changed your infobox pic. Personally I prefer the older one as the new one looks like there is a dirty, dark cloud over the city and you can't see the tree graces easily. I just think the older one looked better and I think it should be back as it creates a better picture of the city for people from outside the city. I think the new one creates a bad image, besides it's in the dark and most other cities infobox pics are in the light. What do you think guys? Please comment. 93gregsonl2 ( talk) 22:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
The pic would be good if that grey cloud wasn't on it. It just dosen't look very nice for a infobox pic. If someone could get another simular to that, but without that awful cloud it would be great for an infobox pic. 93gregsonl2 ( talk) 22:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
-- Daviessimo ( talk) 21:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Well it's been a couple of days since anyone commented and I think that at the moment the original image remains the best bet. Obviously if we can get a more up to date image that would be great but at the moment this is the best we've got. Anyway unless there are any objections I'll change the images back round later --
Daviessimo (
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10:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I stitched together some images to produce
it's a panorama but from Everton Brow is this the true Liverpool.-- Kitchen Knife ( talk) 23:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
List of songs about Liverpool
Thanks.
Civic Cat (
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19:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
This should be added..
Liverpool was the most innovative city in the world in rail alone. Liverpool has more railway first than any other city. The father of railways. Ask the average man in Church St and he will blankly look at you.
Merseyrail metro is the second oldest urban, underground, railway in the world, however sections of the network are quite historic being the oldest of any urban railway in the world. Merseyrail is in effect older than London Underground.
Liverpool had abandoned two rail stations by the time London built its first station. 79.65.73.128 ( talk) 16:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Researchers connected to the Transcendental Meditation movement published a study in a peer-reviewed journal which claims that the crime rate of Merseyside was dramatically reduced in the 1988-1992 period due to the effect of having many people meditating in Skelmersdale, about 19km away, which they call the Maharishi Effect. In addition to lowering the crime rate, their actions kept the rate down in Merseyside while they say it increased by 45% in the rest of the country. They calculate that 255,000 crimes were prevented in Merseyside over the five years. Based on a statement by the Home office that the average cost of a crime is £5,000, they calculate that they saved the citizens of Merseyside £1,250,000,000, or about US $2.1 billion.
Setting aside questions about the Maharishi Effect, do these numbers seem plausible? The BBC reported that there were 716,500 crimes across the country in 2001, presumably more than in 1992 due to increased population. Is it possible that there was a reduction of 50,000 crimes per year in Merseyside alone? Merseyside accounts for only about 3% of the country's population, so a reduction in crimes equal to about 7% of all crimes in the country seems extraordinary. This may be headed from the WP:FRINGE noticeboard, but I thought I'd ask here first to see if anyone had additional information or insight about these statistics. Will Beback talk 00:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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In the "International links" section, numerous places are listed as having "friendship links" and the like. Are there any reliable sources for these? Someone has just added somewhere in Gweru, Zimbabwe to the list. I couldn't find anything on google suggesting this should be there. I was tempted to remove it, then started wondering about some of the others too. -- RFBailey 20:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Really don't see why a citation needed tag is placed on this part. Where CAN one get evidence for it? It's purely anecdotal, but having been a local resident since birth, I have never, ever, once seen any sort of major clashes between fans of both Everton and Liverpool. -- Jayau1234 14:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I merged the article "Church Street, Liverpool" (essentially one sentence) into the section "Economy". Delete it if it does not seem notable. -- B. Wolterding 15:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I notice this article does not contain any mention of the Liverpool gay scene. Most articles on cities do at least mention it. It makes it look as if gay people are not welcome in Liverpool and have moved out!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.104.81.0 ( talk • contribs) 2007-05-24.
Under the famous Liverpudlians heading, it says something to the effect of the Beatles being "one of the most, if not the most popular" musical groups from Liverpool. Given the fact that the Beatles are in fact the most popular musical act in history (from Liverpool or otherwise), I think it is safe to say that this is an understatement, and should be revised to reflect this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.198.128 ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Scouseland is the Scouse name for the city and surrounding area and needs to be included along with the English name. It is a part of our identity and differentiates us from England ( BBC Local History: Scouseland). -- Ekstazo 00:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Added in the nickname of the Catholic cathedral,
hope no-one objects,
-- Stanleytheman 21:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
FYI:
New for August: Liverpool lives for the city's 800th birthday.
May be useful for Liverpool- related articles. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 09:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
One thing that I noticed on this page that seems to be a typo is that in the info-box there is an image titled 'Logo'. A more suited name would be 'Coat of Arms'. I would have changed this myself but I am not a very experienced editor, and do not know how. So if anyone could fix this, it would be much appreciated. Blubba112 07:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Most other city pages (see Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield and Glasgow) have sections on music, but this page is missing one. Considering Liverpool's vast musical heritage, this is surprising... Is there anyone out there who might volunteer to add this section? Annihilatenow 14:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Stan Boardman ? Jimmy Tarbuck ? Cilla ? Apart from the Beatles, very little in terms of "culture" has come out of Liverpool. If anything, the city punches well below it weight compared to London or Manchester. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.90.253 ( talk) 08:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
What a bizarre piece of bullshit. Goodness knows what you imagine has come out of manchester, but as for Liverpool's cultural content. It is, outside of london which has 10 times the population, the UK city with the greatest number of galleries, museums, theatres,public sculptures and listed buildings of any city in the UK, is the most filmed city in the country, has the most visited modern art gallery, teh largest collection of arts and artefacts in single ownership than anywhere in the nation, the place where more people visit said galleries and museums more often than any other, has the oldest china town in europe, the largest shopping development in Europe, the largest anglican cathedral on earth, teh most visually recognisable city in the nation other than London, the longest established symphony orchestra, teh first mosque in this country, the largest free music festival in Europe, the largest african festival and largest arab festival. It is according to Guiness the world capital of pop, having produced more number one records than any place on earth. It's is home to the most succesful football team in British sporting history and the world's greatest horserace. The city with the fast growing airport in Europe is a UN World Heritage site, the European Capital of Culture, and the host of the Royal Variety, The Turner Prize and The BBC Nativity will also host this years Tall ships race, the global liverpool sound concert, the Liberal democrat party conference, the WI conference, the MTV music awards and the BBC Sports personality of the year. So I'm confused by liverpool "producing very little of culture" and "punching below its weight compared to Manchester" (Manchester????!) Perhaps the references to "tarby and cilla" mean you measure culture by household names and personalities originating from a town. Hmm... I dunno, let's have a think:
Gladstone, George Stubbs the artist, The Beatles, Arthur Askey, Tommy Handley, Rob Wilton, Sir Rex Harrison, Glenda Jackson, Daniel Craig, Jason Isaacs, Pete Postlethwaite, Paul McGann and his brothers, Sue Jonson, Ricky Tomlinson, Alison Steadman, Frankie Vaughan, Michael Holiday, George Melly, Alexi Sayle, Paul O'Grady, Cilla Black, Patricia Routledge, Kenny Everett, Lee Mack, Phil Redmond, Bill Kenwright, Robert Runcie, John Birt, Peter Sissons, Jon Snow, Anne Robinson, Keith Chegwin, Janice Long, Les Dennis, Linda La Plante, Jimmy McGovern, Carla Laine, Berryl Bainbridge, Alan Bleasdale, Willy Russel, Derek Hatton, Jack Jones, Sporty Spice, Kerry katona, Nicola from girls aloud, Atomic Kitten, Geoffrey Hughes, Jean Alexander (Hilda Ogden), Peter Adamson (Len fairclough), Leonard Rossiter, Peter Serafinowic, Tony Booth, Cherie Blair, Sam Kelly, Gerry and the pacemakers, The Farm, the Lightning Seeds, Dr and the medics, Flock of Seagulls, China Crisis, The Real Thing, Roger Mcough, Craig Charles, Cathy Tyson, The sculptor Arthur Dooley, Levi Tafari, Eddie Braben (morecambe and wise;s joke writer), Tom O'connor, Margi Clarke, Ken Dodd, Jimmy Tarbuck, Stan Boardman, Faith Brown, John Conte, michael owen, Wayne Rooney, Steven Gerard, Robbie Fowler, Red Rum, Ray Quinn, The Searchers, Billy J Kramer, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, The Christians, John Lennon, Sonia, Dead Or Alive, Billy Fury, Elvis Costello, OMD, Claire Sweeney, Jennifer Ellison, Rita Tushingham, Echo and the Bunnymen, Icicle Works, Teardrop Explodes, The Merseybeats, The Swinging Bluejeans, George Davies (founder of next and the famous George of Asda!), Chris Boardman (the cyclist), Tom Baker, Kieran Bracken, Krishnan Guru-Murphy, Kenneth Cope (Randal and Hopkirk), Tom Bell, John Peel, Lewis Collins, Richard Stilgoe, Sir Simon Rattle (conductor Berlin Philharmonic), David Morrisey, Ian Hart, Ron Atkinson, John Parrot, Ted Robbins, Kate Robbins, Freddie Starr, Liza Tarbuck, Jean Boht (Bread), Derek Nimmo, Derek Guyler, Michael Angelis, Clive Barker, Kim Catrall, Tricia Penrose. Clive Swift, Brian Reade, Edwina Currie, Mal Young, Tony Holland, Tony Haygarth, David Yip (The chinese detective), Michael Stark, Philip Olivier, Jemini (! "nul points"!), Jim Bowen (was born here), Craig phillips- winner of the first big brother, Joe Fagan, Rick Astley, Gary Mavers, Elizabeth Sladen (Sarah Jane from Dr Who), Derek Acorah, John Aldridge, Terence Davies (movie director), Alex Curran, Bessie Bradock, Mick Miller, Danielle Lloyd, Brian Epstein, Eton Road, Jimmy Mulville, Bill Tidy, Norman Vaughan. Colleen McCloughlin, Mark Womack, Mimi from Shameless! (plus the bald copper), Paul Barber (Denzil from Only Fools..)..Jonny Vegas, Malandra Burrows, Clive Hornby, Debbie Greenwood, Pete Burns, Carol Decca, David Morrisey, Ramsey Cambell (horror writer), Nerys Hughes, The Wombats, the Zutons, Magda Szubanski (Babe, Kath and Kim), The casts (mostly) of...Bread, Brookside,Grange Hill, Liver Birds, Hollyoaks, Boys from the blackstuff, Lillies, Z cars,Scully, Liverpool one, merseybeat, nice guy eddie, The onedin line, Softly Softly..... and...by parentage.. Mike Myers, Halle Berry, Barbra Dickson and Bob Marley.
Among others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.145.161 ( talk) 11:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Elevation is given as 230ft ... is that correct, it is virtually on the sea RobChafer 17:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Considering how controversial this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighbourhood_Management_Pathfinder_Programme scheme has been, I'm surprised its so bereft of content. Any Liverpudlians care to contribute? I have a couple of images of affected streets. Parrot of Doom 16:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Shouldnt this artical have a world heritage site infobox? Blackwave...... ( talk) 19:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I have just found out about a consultation on the cities future development, called 'Beyond Capital of Culture: A New Dawn for Tourism in Liverpool'. Does any one have any information on this? The only references I can find are on Mersey Travel and also on Mersey Reporter websites as it might be worth adding as a follow up to the Culture link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.106.16 ( talk) 18:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I would recommend a closer layout to that recommended in WP:UKCITIES to help move this article along! -- Jza84 · ( talk) 00:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I have recently crated the article Chinatown, Liverpool, Liverpool is home to Europe's largest Chinese community, there needs to be more information about this on this article, and links to my new article Stevvvv4444 · ( Stevvvv4444) 20:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Liverpool has Europe's oldest/first chinese community..but not its largest. I would imagine that would certainly likely be London. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.145.161 ( talk) 10:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is the city's Welsh name (Lerpwl) listed, and then no further information is giving about the Welsh in Liverpool? Other UK cities don't have the their names in the Welsh language listed (save, obviously, those in Wales). I would recommend that either the Welsh name is removed, to bring the article into line with other city articles on Wikipedia, or a section be added to the article to justify the inclusion of a foreign-language name so prominently. 62.49.22.228 ( talk) 00:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
It was once part of ancient Wales and mythical capital.
Liverpool was never part of 'ancient Wales'... It was known as the Capital of Wales in the early 1900's simply for the fact that there was more Welsh born citizens living in Liverpool than in Cardiff, the capital of Wales.
It should be noted that the Welsh were famed as the builders of 19th century Liverpool and that the Welsh had 'roofed' the world with Welsh slate. -- 92.234.248.31 ( talk) 16:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Liverpools Welsh links are wide rangeing and adequate justification for mention being given on the article. As for why Liverpool has a Welsh name-look at the map.....in the middle ages when borders changed every day of the week, Liverpool was part of wales whilst no dount parts of modern wales were ruled by what became England —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gashmak ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
The first picture should be removed and replaced with a picture of the Pier Head. What is the financial district? Nothing! Liverpool isn't known for it's business area. The first picture should be that of the Pier Head.
The city has the largest personal and commercial insurance services sector outside of London in England. It also has more stockbroking firms, indeed the largest Tilney's which is still independent of the public banks, than any other UK city outside London. Tony S 79.72.115.198 ( talk) 17:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
I am at odds with another user Jza84 who appears not have any local knowledge of the Liverpool area, who is questioning my edits on the suburbs of Liverpool (districts not within the city council boundary). I am putting it to debate. Despite my knowledge that places like Huyton or Seaforth are suburbs of Liverpool, the user i am having problems with is set against such a link and quoting wikipedia rules to me. It may be easy to do for someone with experience, however I am doing edits truthfully and with knowledge so why must this person reverse my work? With no discussion? Indeed the Liverpool districts section already had many of these suburbs written in before i ever started using Wikipedia. I do not know if the user is a vandal or just trying too hard to stick to the rules, a jobsworth infact. As the user is probably not local to Liverpool i have to question his quest to reverse my edits on the suburbs of Liverpool. Dmcm2008 ( talk) 12:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
yes you would. I do not know what your problem is. With respect, I do not have a problem leaving these places as individual towns/ villages in their own right. However there is a connection to the city of Liverpool and my own though was use suburb, it is a commonly used word works with places inside and outside city council boundaries. However as you do not wish to come to common ground. If you are local as you say you do appear to be very snobbish and jobsworth in refusing to link these suburbs to Liverpool. Dmcm2008 ( talk) 12:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
As a source goto Merseyside Police as that lists the areas as local! 92.28.106.16 ( talk) 18:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
User Jza84 has systematically tried to remove all my edits to do with Liverpool suburbs. And that includes a section on this Liverpool page called districts; that revealed other districts but not within the city boundary. He has removed this section even though it existed before I came along. All I did was enhance it and correct multiple location places. I have edited in good faith because I wanted to enhance the Liverpool pages but the user Jza84 has a problem with this. I am pulling out of WP due to the users harrassment I hope someone else can stop the user before he completeley strips the Liverpool pages to the bare facts. Best wishes good EDITORS. Dmcm2008 ( talk) 10:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed an unsourced list of places from the article with
this edit. This is because the material was asserting that places outside of Liverpool are part of the city. It was badly formatted and didn't cite its sources. Simillarly, in Lancashire. The buildings of England. Harmondsworth: Penguin. 1969. pp. pp 126, 207–262, 420–1.
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Nikolaus Pevsner gives a list of Liverpool suburbs from Aigburth to Woolton; Whiston, Huyton and other places are not included. --
Jza84 |
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This section of Liverpool districts page existed before I ever edited. However because I have enhanced the liverpool suburbs user Jza84 is systematically reverting all my edits. I cannot win. I will leave wp today 15/03/08 and leave this for future editors to work out. Dmcm2008 ( talk) 10:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Nobody is preventing you from improving this article, and I'm sorry you feel this way, but people are asking that you make contributions in accordance with the content policies. You haven't achieved consensus for the changes, and by concentrating on the editors and not the content it's unlikely that any progress will be made. Please, if you wish to add content, then cite a reliable source and seek consensus on the talk page first. Coldmachine Talk 11:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Please use the 'List of towns and cities in England by poulation' article to substantiate the population please.
Liverpool is ranked 3rd and as we are discussing the 'city' and not the 'borough' these figre must be used.
When did Istanbul become a sister city of Liverpool? I can't find anything on the net which verifies this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.227.114 ( talk) 18:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Could someone upload an image of the coat of arms of this city to Commons? Thanks. -- Pabletex ( talk) 18:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I enjoyed the recent nightime image of Liverpools business district, can anyone add this aswell as the waterfront view? Dmcm2008 ( talk) 19:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
can i ask why somebody has been allowed to post slurs against the people of liverpool in the main article this is an unfair view of the people and goes against wikipedias own rules of conduct. can someone please remove the line 'inhabitants of liverpool are known as pikeys... etc.' back to what it was 'inhabitants of liverpool are known as liverpudlians...' i understand it was probably a joke but i think it is in bad taste, especially when the whole world can read these comments. thankyou Fifi27 ( talk) 02:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
A lot of this article is out of date. A lot of tense needs correcting and some information. Doyley Talk 21:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is the main image of the business area. Lets be honest the main image for Liverpool has to be the 3 graces! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.151.142 ( talk) 20:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Would there be much support for a Merseyside Wikiproject as a sub project of Wikiproject:UK Geography? Most other important 'areas' or counties currently benefit from having a focused Wikiproject and I feel Merseyside would do also. I'm asking here before making any formal steps to form the project. Please respond if you would be willing to support such a project. Zenichiro ( talk) 14:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree. My only fear is that there's not enough people interested to get it in full swing. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 16:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I've had a blast at bringing the lead upto a more befitting standard for the city (see this diff). It's not a perfect change by any means, but I think it's a good start. I have to say I'm really appauled by the state this article is in. That's not a slur on any of the previous editors who have clearly worked very hard, but really, for such an important city, I'm surprised by the lack of quality. Yup, that is a challenge! -- Jza84 | Talk 23:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I have just come across this talk page. Having been involved in discussion page to do with Liverpool Urban Area, there are so many dirivatives: Greater Liverpool, Greater Merseyside, city region, Liverpool urban area, Liverpool Bay even. Some have different meanings but it is clear to me that the pages that do exist are at odds with other definitions. This needs to be cleaned up I am willing to participate but it is a big job! Dmcm2008 ( talk) 23:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
The article needs to be watched much closer. Here was a very obvious revert of vandalism removal and the line " Culturally, the city is seen as rascist but there are some of Britian's top Kebab houses there and all ran by Turks and Tunisians." has been present in the article for 3 days. This is not acceptable. Please can more editors watch list the page. Thank you. Sillyfolkboy ( talk) 02:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello folks, I'm really keen to see a WikiProject:Merseyside get off the ground to facilitate the development of articles in the region.
I've started a sub page at User:Jza84/Merseyside for all those users who want to declare their interest. Feel free to post a link to that subpage to the necessary talk pages. -- Jza84 | Talk 20:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Jossdickie ( talk) 18:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC) A new radio staition recently opened in Liverpool city centre, which should be added to the main Liverpool article as it has it's own Wikipedia page at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Talk_105.9 Jossdickie ( talk) 18:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I notice Manchester has a City Centre page in this template it would be great if we could adapt a Liverpool city centre page from the Liverpool main page to identify the city centre as opposed to just Liverpool in general Dmcm2008 ( talk) 10:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised that there's no demography section in this article, especially given Liverpool's long ethnic minority histories. Would anyone object to me starting one similar to that at Manchester? Cordless Larry ( talk) 08:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
What counts as a 'Liverpudlian'? The list of famous ones in the article seems to suggest it's someone who was merely born there, rather than who lived there for much of their life. I'd have thought a true Liverpudlian was someone who actually lived in Liverpool as an adult (i.e. by choice rather than by birth). Cf Sean Connery, who claims to be a Scot but lives in the Bahamas or somewhere; I doubt he even counts as a UK national (e.g. for tax purposes). So how about instead listing famous people who actually lived in Liverpool as an adult? Ben Finn ( talk) 18:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
A Merseyside wikiproject has now been set up. The project aims to improve articles related to Merseyside and encourage collaboration between editors to do this. If anyone is interested in becoming a part of the project, please sign up here. Nev1 ( talk) 21:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
AND OF COURSE KATHERINE IS FAMOUS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krp217 ( talk • contribs) 19:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
OK I've merged council wards, constituencies and local districts into the governance section although I haven't had time to chase sources. Also I tidied the intro to the Governance section although I really think that should be in demographics (as it talks about populations). The article is very long and I was thinking that Governance in Liverpool could certainly warrent its own article (forgive me if there is one already) given the turbulent events of militant tendancy in the 80's and the recent problems with debt etc. Anyway before anything like that was done i'd look to expand what is on here but I could do with views on whether people would support the new article. Cheers -- Daviessimo ( talk) 21:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I've just removed some uncited material again. Yes I've been brutal, but I do not want to see a return to this any time soon. That aside, this section that's been written is bad, very bad. What's happened to WP:CITE, WP:LIST and WP:UKCITIES here? These are pretty fundamental to our project. Greater Liverpool? Liverpool Urban Area? These are topics for Geography, not Governance. See Manchester#Governance as an example please. -- Jza84 | Talk 19:24, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Is the gay section really necessary? It was probably added by a bunch of politically correct politicians, or a bunch of gays. I don’t think it needs it’s own heading. If it is going to be added into a different section then that’s a different matter. It is not so important that it requires it’s own heading! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.95.3 ( talk) 13:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I doubt its doing any harm-i know this is unhelpful, but its as necessary as its unecessary......in other words its a non issue...if its there leave it, if it werent there, i wouldnt be wondering why —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gashmak ( talk • contribs) 22:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
It is necessary to all those people who cant go out for a night out without prejudice, threats and violence just because of their sexuality. Its necessity may be Unfortunate as it a sad reflection of the people of Liverpool and UK. I am proud of being from Liverpool but ashamed of the city's record on race relations and treatment of gay people. A Gay quarter as it is named has existed for many decades since before i was born. Giving it a name doesnt create it. It has existed by the very nature of what it is. A name has simply made it easier to refer to. Officialising the area as a gay district will bring in the £££££ as it did for manchester and London and Birmingham etc etc etc
stephen Liverpool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.195.132.196 ( talk) 14:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Does this mean that a heterosexual section should be included too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.40.47 ( talk) 04:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
To the person who write "It is necessary to all those people who cant go out for a night out without prejudice, threats and violence...":
Grow up you conformist! Get a life! I am laughing to you you sanctomonious politically correct prick! —Preceding
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19:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Kettle, pot. ^-- 198.179.147.171 ( talk) 21:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I wonder whether any editors here have knowledge of the term woollyback, the WP article for which was removed over the Christmas period and which I have requested be restored. It is still up for nomination so if you have views for or against this you may wish to let your views be known at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woollyback. If you have any more useful and especially sourced information about the term your contributions to the woollyback article would be welcome. -- Hauskalainen 21:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotection}} They formed in 1892 and have spent their entire history at the Anfield stadium which they occupied on their formation; it had previously between home to Everton.
92.4.127.192 ( talk) 07:46, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I query the description of Everton's departure from Anfield as being "evicted". This isn't supported by the original Club records now held by Liverpool Records Office & accessible on-line. As the comment dosen't cite any reference it should be altered to a more accurate wording. Unfortunately I'm unable to make this correction myself. Gwladys24 ( talk) 22:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
There's a nice image over Liverpool here if we can accomodate it? I think it would be good for the Geography section, with a caption about land-use or urban sprawl for the city. -- Jza84 | Talk 15:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Where the article says Liverpool has more galleries and national museums than any other city in the United Kingdom apart from London I have found a reference for it here: [4]. Unfortunately the article is protected so I cannot add this in, but I hope this will be useful to anyone who can edit it. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.28.14 ( talk) 22:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Where in this is the mention of LIPA?! The Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts. website here: LIPA
94.192.162.158 ( talk) 08:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Under geography section the article suggests that there are 282 days of rain in Liverpool whilst the avergae for the UK is 154. Enough to put you off coming here.
The former reference is from what appears to be a somewhat dodgy source called 'weatherbase' whilst the latter (Uk average) is from an authoratitive source - the UK Met office. The same Met office source indicates (from mapped averages data) that liverpool has in fact less than 130 days rain - so is somewhat less than UK average.
I have confirmed this from other sources (which ties in with my own weather experience living/working around UK).
Unless anyone has objections - I'll go try and change this. I am new to Wikipedia so should make an intersting small challenge. Quantum MaxPlanck ( talk) 23:58, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
This article needs a lot of work on it and I don't think it being protected for prolonged periods of time is constructive. Non registered users can make important contributions and at the moment they are unable to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.161.190 ( talk) 19:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The reason for the stated removal of the nick name, 'The Self Pity City' was rm nickname - sources are a mix of forums and yahoo answers - not reliable. All reliable sources show that the term is used in the pejorative sense and can be considered a slur. Might I add that the nickname is most definitely a slur, but a widely used nickname none the less. The sources provided showed that the nickname was used (though obviously not by the City Council), whether the nickname is considered to be complimentary or pejorative is hardly relevent to the stated fact. I hardly think council's in Bradford or Blackpool are going to run out and change their signs to say 'Bradistan' or 'Cesspool', but these are nicknames they are given all the same, in Bradford's case for its high Asian population, and Blackpool's over the assumend cleanliness of the town, beach and sea. The 'Self Pity City' is a nickname used in the media and by everyday people on the street, whether it was less the comlimentary, really doesn't matter, if we were only allowed to write nice things on Wikipedia, there really wouldn't be much point. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 17:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I would hardly have thought that as editors, it is within our powers of discretion to prove or disprove the stereotypes and base our edits on that, we simply state the facts (positive or negative, inoffensive or otherwise, there can be no comprimise on this, otherwise we are failing to provide concise information). I did not state that Liverpool was indeed a city full of self pitying, perm sporting charvers, that would hardly be my place, I simply stated that the nickname in question was used to refer to the city. In my mind the above references provided evidence that it was being used within certain factions, how well it has to be used to be considered a nickname is open to debate.
For instance, The Leeds page, gives the nicknames, 'Capital of the North' and 'Knightsbridge of the North', these are cited, but are certainly not nicknames used by anyone I know, they've just been lifted out of Lonely Planet and a couple of other guidebooks. The man on the street would never use them, the North doesn't have a capital and Leeds probably better emulates Croydon then Knightsbridge. The 'Self Pity City' nickname is somewhat different, it would certainly not be used in council literature, but it is actually used by everyday people in the street. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 18:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
The nickname 'the pool' has been added, with no citation, and I have never heard of this. The term 'pool' or 'pools' is more often used as an abreviation for Hartlepool. The page for Mackworth lists 'Smackworth' as a nick name and the page for Pontefract lists 'Ponte Carlo' as a nick name, neither of which is complimentary, although one with a unique sense of irony. I would not say that Lonely Planet or other prentensious travel guides listing these terms makes them 'nicknames', In my eyes proving they are used in an every day context makes them a nickname, while the citations I provided may not have been from the most respected authorities, an encyclopeia Brittanica citation would have been inpertinent given the context of the information. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 16:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
While you may be strictly correct in deleting my sentence I think your reasoning is wrong. The "cathedrals" you speak of elsewhere are little more than nice parish churches, awarded "cathedral" status simply because of a the establishment of a new, usually Catholic, bishopric. Liverpool's two cathedrals were both purpose-built as such, and with the possible exception of the extension to Coventry cathedral are, AFAIK, the last two cathedrals to be built in the UK. I will seek sources. Also Liverpool does have three universities, which again I think is unique outside London. RodCrosby ( talk) 12:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
There is something wrong there. It is manifestly not in "Queen Anne style" as defined by WP Queen Anne style. Liverpool city council are not an "authority" on architectural styles, I would have thought. Perhaps they were using it as shorthand for buildings constructed in the style of the period of Queen Anne, which, confusingly, is something quite different to Queen Anne style. Sharples (2004) does not describe it as Queen Anne style; he does not ascribe any formal stylistic category to it, but describes it as "a vigorous but provincial style derived from Wren." [p.7] NB: compare photo of Hampton Court on the Wren page. RodCrosby ( talk) 13:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have noticted you have changed your infobox pic. Personally I prefer the older one as the new one looks like there is a dirty, dark cloud over the city and you can't see the tree graces easily. I just think the older one looked better and I think it should be back as it creates a better picture of the city for people from outside the city. I think the new one creates a bad image, besides it's in the dark and most other cities infobox pics are in the light. What do you think guys? Please comment. 93gregsonl2 ( talk) 22:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
The pic would be good if that grey cloud wasn't on it. It just dosen't look very nice for a infobox pic. If someone could get another simular to that, but without that awful cloud it would be great for an infobox pic. 93gregsonl2 ( talk) 22:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
-- Daviessimo ( talk) 21:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Well it's been a couple of days since anyone commented and I think that at the moment the original image remains the best bet. Obviously if we can get a more up to date image that would be great but at the moment this is the best we've got. Anyway unless there are any objections I'll change the images back round later --
Daviessimo (
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10:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I stitched together some images to produce
it's a panorama but from Everton Brow is this the true Liverpool.-- Kitchen Knife ( talk) 23:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
List of songs about Liverpool
Thanks.
Civic Cat (
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19:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
This should be added..
Liverpool was the most innovative city in the world in rail alone. Liverpool has more railway first than any other city. The father of railways. Ask the average man in Church St and he will blankly look at you.
Merseyrail metro is the second oldest urban, underground, railway in the world, however sections of the network are quite historic being the oldest of any urban railway in the world. Merseyrail is in effect older than London Underground.
Liverpool had abandoned two rail stations by the time London built its first station. 79.65.73.128 ( talk) 16:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Researchers connected to the Transcendental Meditation movement published a study in a peer-reviewed journal which claims that the crime rate of Merseyside was dramatically reduced in the 1988-1992 period due to the effect of having many people meditating in Skelmersdale, about 19km away, which they call the Maharishi Effect. In addition to lowering the crime rate, their actions kept the rate down in Merseyside while they say it increased by 45% in the rest of the country. They calculate that 255,000 crimes were prevented in Merseyside over the five years. Based on a statement by the Home office that the average cost of a crime is £5,000, they calculate that they saved the citizens of Merseyside £1,250,000,000, or about US $2.1 billion.
Setting aside questions about the Maharishi Effect, do these numbers seem plausible? The BBC reported that there were 716,500 crimes across the country in 2001, presumably more than in 1992 due to increased population. Is it possible that there was a reduction of 50,000 crimes per year in Merseyside alone? Merseyside accounts for only about 3% of the country's population, so a reduction in crimes equal to about 7% of all crimes in the country seems extraordinary. This may be headed from the WP:FRINGE noticeboard, but I thought I'd ask here first to see if anyone had additional information or insight about these statistics. Will Beback talk 00:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)