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"Return to status quo ante bellum" for Kargil war was a recent change. In fact, until October 2014, we recognized that 1965 and 1999 Indo-Pakistan war as "Defeat" for Pakistan. [1] Globlasecurity is a unrelibale source and it should not be used anywhere. Balochistan conflict seems to be reflection of main events, it is not continuous, that's why we had added 1970s Operation in Balochistan, the very major one. For these few reasons I have removed the recent edits. OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
There was no victory of Pakistan in 1965. http://herald.dawn.com/2013/10/08/who-won-the-1965-indo-pak-war.html నిజానికి ( talk) 06:37, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
( edit conflict)Thanks.. kindly always check the reverts.. there are things like this that create unnecessary WP:BATTLE. The article seems fine now. OZ, One operation / battle is not the complete conflict. So they can't be merged. Would you check Indo-Pak wars and see how I did it there... it's never been objected even when people from both sides try to push POV. It might do some good here as well to separate long standing conflicts and one time wars into separate sections. Tell me what you think. -- lTopGunl ( talk) 07:59, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
While there is mixed consensus in the international community about the 1965 war (with the claim than India had the upper-hand when ceasefire was implemented) the 1999 Kargil war has been viewed as a Pakistani defeat (except for by Pakistanis). It was Pakistan who retreated, thereby not completing their mission, whereby India completed its mission of evicting the Pakistani army. Pakistan also lost bargains in the war with India fulfilling its goals. See the List of wars involving India page for more details, as both the wars are mentioned as 'Victory' there. I have therefore made the necessary changes. But I will give the benefit of the doubt about the 1965 war and not change its status, so just changing the result for the Kargil War. Please discuss here before starting an edit-war. Thank you, and I hope this article helped you. Imperial HRH2 ( talk) 13:52, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
If you click on KARGIL WAR and read it , you will find that its clearly mentioned "decisive Indian victory" . And its been known known that pakistani government withdrawed from fighting the kargil war . Moreover it should be noted that the kargil is with India. Please edit it. Nishantpuri10 ( talk) 06:56, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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I see there is an effort to rectify the content in the results section and I think more work needs to go in this direction. All the conflicts sections should be updates to reflect their current statues or statues as reached by consensus on the conflict pages. Adamgerber80 ( talk) 17:25, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
IMHO the table result section should be same as result section of the infobox of the respective war pages. any row not having its own article page should be merged and the results should be as per the infobox. There is no justification for keeping a discrepancy between the Main article and this table. The wordings of the Infobox result page in the article page are already after much debate and as per WP:CONSENSUS, Let me know what is your solution. -- DBig Xray 18:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
The table result section should be exactly the same as result section of the infobox of the respective war pages. Any row not having its own article page should be merged and the results should be as per the infobox. No War can be Added if it does not have its own Main page article
— User:DBigXray, Adamgerber80 and Sdmarathe support this Consensus, 11 June 2018
ShahabKhanJadoon1, please see Talk:Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, where the result of the war was decided by editor consensus. If you want to contest it, you need to discuss it there. Please refrain from WP:edit warring. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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The Results of the First Indo-Pakistani War should be changed to 'Victory' for Pakistan wholly due to the fact that before the war, India was going to annex Kashmir. However, the war led to a division of Kashmir, which was beneficial for Pakistan. Kageuchiha ( talk) 17:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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17:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)After getting independence , kashmir was neither a part of India nor pakistan . But pakistan armed forces attacked kashmir , and so, kashmiri king came for help to India and officially declared kashmir to be a part of India , So indian forces fought and won a far more percent of land than pakistan ,So I think that India should be the winner , But as UN interferred , so its called a ceasefire. Nishantpuri10 ( talk) 06:44, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
If you click on KARGIL WAR and read it , you will find that its clearly mentioned "decisive Indian victory" . And its been known that pakistani government withdrawed from fighting the kargil war . Moreover it should be noted that the kargil is with India. Please edit .Nishantpuri10 ( talk) 07:03, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
This information and provided results on the Pakistan vs India and other conflicts is biased. It seems to be the version of Pro-Indian bias. For example the first war of Pakistan vs India on Kashmir is being shown as "Ceasefire", which was the case for ALL of PK vs. IND conflicts. This war resulted in the capture of Kashmir 1/3 territories of Pakistan from India, thus it was India's defeat.
The same goes for few other events being mentioned such as 1965, Kargil, Aghan War, War on Terror etc.
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After partition of ind and pak , kashmir decided to become a seprate nation . But pakistan army attacked kashmir so as to capture it . So the kashmiri ruler went to India for help , and Indian government agreed to help him only if kashmir becomes part of India . So India captured more portion of kashmir than pakistan . Nishantpuri10 ( talk) 07:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Add on: Same thing goes for 1965 War being shown as "Inconclusive", which has been the final eventuality in ALL such conflicts etc for the Civil War of West vs. East Pakistan, where the West Pakistan was badly defeated by the East Pakistan (and India was the East side of the Civil war).
However, in 1965 conflict, Pakistan captured significant portion of Indian Punjab which is a known fact.
Kargil conflict became eventually a cease fire, however after heavy casualties on both sides with a ratio of 1:2 (and sometimes quoted as high as 1:3) where Indian army had to take much more casualties. Thus from the battle perspective scoring, it was a defeat of the Indian side, which was then mediated by the US for the PK Armed forces to retreat. Majority of the causalties on the PK armies took place in the retreat process.
2019 IND vs PK mini battle-Pulwama: Defeat for India where atleast 1 plane has been recorded to be shot down by the PK (PAF) and India's pilot being captured and returned back to India.
Afghan War- PK/US/Afghan "Mujahideen" Allaince VICTORY against USSR/India/ other communist block allies/Afghan communist groups.
Afghan Civil War since 1990's - Present- Still ongoing for 20+ years, especially since 2001. The sides are Afghan Northern Alliance vs Aghan Taliban with very fluid backings of various state actors on all sides. Inorder to keep it focused between India and Pakistan, India is supporting the Northern Alliance and PK the Aghan Talibans. The US/Iran had been fluid all sides, with the most recent announcement of the Peacy Treaty withdrawal plan between the US and Aghan Taliban being announced. Thus the odds seems like at the moment that between PK vs IND proxy war of 20 years, PK has defeated IND on this front.
War on Terror: PK defeated the Indian/Aghan backed insurgents known as TTP.
In general, this attempt to create a Pro-Indian biased history is quite obvious, which is not based upon the facts. If one start listing All the historical events, the history reader will come to a conclusion that in most cases PK has won more the mini conflict or the longer term proxy conflicts.
On the traditional battle fronts the score is more on PK side (4-2). 1. 1947 Battle on Kashmir- PK won and captured territory what is known as AJK.
2. 1965 Battle- PK won and captured Indian Punjab swathes of acreages till the ceasefire was called and land returned back to IND.
3. 1971 Civil War- IND won and West. PK was defeated very badly to a point they were 7 days from completely loosing W. PK, had the ceasefire not called upon.
4. 1980's Siachen Battle- IND won based upon the first capture of startegic locations (few hundred meters), which is still under IND's control.
5. 1999 Kargil Conflict- PK won based upon the casualty counts higher on IND's side and the US intervention which lead to PK's voluntary retreat from the Startegically captured areas.
6. 2019 LOC Pulwama Conflict- PK won based upon the Indian Airforce plane/s being shot down and pilot/s captured.
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Newly created page contains additional information which could be integrated into this page. GILO A& E⇑ 16:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
I wanted to discuss two subjects here.
To begin with, I believe it is imperative for this page to distinctly include each of the various phases of the Afghan Civil War. At the moment, it only displays the 1996-2001 conflict even though Pakistan had been deeply involved in the preceding periods as well, namely 1989-1992 and 1992-1996.
The relevant sources highlighting Pakistani involvement can be seen in the following articles which showcase Pakistan as a belligerent to the conflicts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1989%E2%80%931992)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1992%E2%80%931996)
It can be noted that the distinct periods have separate articles to properly distinguish them from one another. Moreover, they are independently identified as the “Second” and “Third” Afghan Civil Wars on this page here as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Afghanistan
Secondly, I hoped to discuss the result attributed to the conflict entitled “Afghan Civil War (1996-2001)” with respect to Pakistan. It states “Defeat. End of the Taliban government rule in Afghanistan”.
This directly contradicts the information showcased in pages closely tied with the conflict. For instance, when the main page for the conflict itself is observed, it establishes the result as a “Military Stalemate” rather than “Defeat” which contradicts the result stated here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1996%E2%80%932001)
Furthermore, the statement “End of Taliban government rule in Afghanistan” is misleading as well considering the “Afghan Civil War (1996-2001)” did not result in the collapse of the Taliban government.
The Taliban only fell when the United States intervened which is seen as a completely separate conflict from the Afghan Civil War. This distinction can be noted on the aforementioned page as well. The downfall of the Taliban is only listed on the “War in Afghanistan (2001-2021)” instead of “Afghan Civil War (1996-2001)”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)
The US Invasion of Afghanistan was directly facilitated by Pakistan which provided military bases and direct flight to American forces. The Pakistani government aligned itself with the United States following the September 11 Attacks and supported Coalition forces in toppling the Taliban regime. As such, I find it strange that the result is considered a defeat for Pakistan. 103.145.230.77 ( talk) 01:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. --> }} 42.201.171.125 ( talk) 09:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC) P Bruh who do you think I am
I have added maintenance citation needed tags to entries in the list that either: 1) Do not have citations showing the entry meets the article inclusion criteria "list of wars" or 2) Do not have citation for the details in the entry row. In some cases the linked article has citations for the entry and I have not marked those.
Unsourced material may be removed at any time per WP:BURDEN. Do not remove maintenance tags without fixing issue or removing entry as appropriate. // Timothy :: talk 18:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
I have added maintenance citation needed tags to entries in the list that either: 1) Do not have citations showing the entry meets the article inclusion criteria "list of wars" or 2) Do not have citation for the details in the entry row. In some cases the linked article has citations for the entry and I have not marked those.
Unsourced material may be removed at any time per WP:BURDEN. Do not remove maintenance tags without fixing issue or removing entry as appropriate. // Timothy :: talk 18:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi, there something i would like to discuss, if you could add rebbellions, uprisings and large scale operations, battles/skrimishes to the page (involving any country of course) :-
( List of wars involving Pakistan)
As you reverted my edit in which i had added a uprising giving the reason it was not a war, where as in other countries lists the same rebbellions, uprisings, Large scale operations/battles and skrimishes and other small scale conflicts are also added to lists of wars involving other countries by why were they not removed just like in the ones which i added ? like in ( List of wars involving the United States), ( List of wars involving India), ( List of wars involving Afghanistan)
Also majority of these conflicts are added in other pages are without even a citation ! If it dosent matter then why were they removed here ? Rahim231 Rahim231 ( talk) 19:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Pakistan provided military support during the First and Second JVP Insurrections. The List of wars involving India article mentions this (Post-colonial wars). We added the Korean war even though that was only diplomatic.
Additionally, Pakistan also provided military arms to Sri Lanka during their Civil war, as mentioned in the Sri Lankan Civil War article and Military history of Pakistan (support for Sri Lanka) too. India was initially supporting the Tamils, but switched sides towards the end. However, this is not mentioned in the article overview at all.
Lastly, Pakistan gave diplomatic support to Azerbaijan throughout the entire Nagorno-Karabakh conflict (for Azerbaijan providing diplomatic support on the Pakistani stance on Kashmir). This is mentioned in the Armenia-Pakistan relations and Azerbaijan-Pakistan relations articles. Again, we added the Korean war for less.
I'm bringing the articles directly as the sources used to substantiate those claims would have been verified.
Thanks. OperativePhase33 ( talk) 21:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
I wanted to let know that, in the list the drone war addition is copied content from page name: List of wars involving the United States see that page's history for attribution. Rahim231 ( talk) 09:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, i Have noticed that you have removed the wars which i added to the list and stating in the edit summary "no sources stating this was a war or that Pakistan was a party to a war, entry does not meet article list criteria"......I will state some sources here mentioning Pakistani involvement by troops,support or any other type:-
1- Congo Crisis Page itself states that :-
a) (The crisis began almost immediately after the Congo became independent from Belgium and ended, unofficially, with the entire country under the rule of Joseph-Désiré Mobutu. Constituting a series of civil wars, the Congo Crisis was also a proxy conflict in the Cold War, in which the Soviet Union and the United States supported opposing factions.)
b)The UN iteself led a intervention (Congo Crisis#Foreign reaction and UN intervention) and a Military intervention qualifies as joining a war.
2- Congo Crisis was the first ever Contigent of troops from Pakistan sent to fight for UN Missions.
Sources:-
a)This page mentions Pakistani troops involvement through the United Nations. (United Nations peacekeeping missions involving Pakistan)
b)Pakistan army official https://web.archive.org/web/20160323103158/https://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPReview/TextContent.aspx?pId=412
c) I already used this source which mentioned pakistan sent its troops to take part in its first ever Un mission https://web.archive.org/web/20240126174846/https://www.isas.nus.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/UN-Peacekeeping-Operations-Pakistans-Contributions-edit.pdf
d) This book used as a source also mentions Pakistani troops taking part in page Number 12 https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=j6ajCwAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y
I would agree with you in this case that pakistan did not take part in the military intervention along australia in the 22 member led military intervention so let it be removed International Force East Timor.
Overall with the sources i provided it should be enough for the Congo crisis edit to be revereted by you instead of me reverting it. Rahim231 ( talk) 06:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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"Return to status quo ante bellum" for Kargil war was a recent change. In fact, until October 2014, we recognized that 1965 and 1999 Indo-Pakistan war as "Defeat" for Pakistan. [1] Globlasecurity is a unrelibale source and it should not be used anywhere. Balochistan conflict seems to be reflection of main events, it is not continuous, that's why we had added 1970s Operation in Balochistan, the very major one. For these few reasons I have removed the recent edits. OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
There was no victory of Pakistan in 1965. http://herald.dawn.com/2013/10/08/who-won-the-1965-indo-pak-war.html నిజానికి ( talk) 06:37, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
( edit conflict)Thanks.. kindly always check the reverts.. there are things like this that create unnecessary WP:BATTLE. The article seems fine now. OZ, One operation / battle is not the complete conflict. So they can't be merged. Would you check Indo-Pak wars and see how I did it there... it's never been objected even when people from both sides try to push POV. It might do some good here as well to separate long standing conflicts and one time wars into separate sections. Tell me what you think. -- lTopGunl ( talk) 07:59, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
While there is mixed consensus in the international community about the 1965 war (with the claim than India had the upper-hand when ceasefire was implemented) the 1999 Kargil war has been viewed as a Pakistani defeat (except for by Pakistanis). It was Pakistan who retreated, thereby not completing their mission, whereby India completed its mission of evicting the Pakistani army. Pakistan also lost bargains in the war with India fulfilling its goals. See the List of wars involving India page for more details, as both the wars are mentioned as 'Victory' there. I have therefore made the necessary changes. But I will give the benefit of the doubt about the 1965 war and not change its status, so just changing the result for the Kargil War. Please discuss here before starting an edit-war. Thank you, and I hope this article helped you. Imperial HRH2 ( talk) 13:52, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
If you click on KARGIL WAR and read it , you will find that its clearly mentioned "decisive Indian victory" . And its been known known that pakistani government withdrawed from fighting the kargil war . Moreover it should be noted that the kargil is with India. Please edit it. Nishantpuri10 ( talk) 06:56, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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I see there is an effort to rectify the content in the results section and I think more work needs to go in this direction. All the conflicts sections should be updates to reflect their current statues or statues as reached by consensus on the conflict pages. Adamgerber80 ( talk) 17:25, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
IMHO the table result section should be same as result section of the infobox of the respective war pages. any row not having its own article page should be merged and the results should be as per the infobox. There is no justification for keeping a discrepancy between the Main article and this table. The wordings of the Infobox result page in the article page are already after much debate and as per WP:CONSENSUS, Let me know what is your solution. -- DBig Xray 18:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
The table result section should be exactly the same as result section of the infobox of the respective war pages. Any row not having its own article page should be merged and the results should be as per the infobox. No War can be Added if it does not have its own Main page article
— User:DBigXray, Adamgerber80 and Sdmarathe support this Consensus, 11 June 2018
ShahabKhanJadoon1, please see Talk:Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, where the result of the war was decided by editor consensus. If you want to contest it, you need to discuss it there. Please refrain from WP:edit warring. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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The Results of the First Indo-Pakistani War should be changed to 'Victory' for Pakistan wholly due to the fact that before the war, India was going to annex Kashmir. However, the war led to a division of Kashmir, which was beneficial for Pakistan. Kageuchiha ( talk) 17:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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17:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)After getting independence , kashmir was neither a part of India nor pakistan . But pakistan armed forces attacked kashmir , and so, kashmiri king came for help to India and officially declared kashmir to be a part of India , So indian forces fought and won a far more percent of land than pakistan ,So I think that India should be the winner , But as UN interferred , so its called a ceasefire. Nishantpuri10 ( talk) 06:44, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
If you click on KARGIL WAR and read it , you will find that its clearly mentioned "decisive Indian victory" . And its been known that pakistani government withdrawed from fighting the kargil war . Moreover it should be noted that the kargil is with India. Please edit .Nishantpuri10 ( talk) 07:03, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
This information and provided results on the Pakistan vs India and other conflicts is biased. It seems to be the version of Pro-Indian bias. For example the first war of Pakistan vs India on Kashmir is being shown as "Ceasefire", which was the case for ALL of PK vs. IND conflicts. This war resulted in the capture of Kashmir 1/3 territories of Pakistan from India, thus it was India's defeat.
The same goes for few other events being mentioned such as 1965, Kargil, Aghan War, War on Terror etc.
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After partition of ind and pak , kashmir decided to become a seprate nation . But pakistan army attacked kashmir so as to capture it . So the kashmiri ruler went to India for help , and Indian government agreed to help him only if kashmir becomes part of India . So India captured more portion of kashmir than pakistan . Nishantpuri10 ( talk) 07:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Add on: Same thing goes for 1965 War being shown as "Inconclusive", which has been the final eventuality in ALL such conflicts etc for the Civil War of West vs. East Pakistan, where the West Pakistan was badly defeated by the East Pakistan (and India was the East side of the Civil war).
However, in 1965 conflict, Pakistan captured significant portion of Indian Punjab which is a known fact.
Kargil conflict became eventually a cease fire, however after heavy casualties on both sides with a ratio of 1:2 (and sometimes quoted as high as 1:3) where Indian army had to take much more casualties. Thus from the battle perspective scoring, it was a defeat of the Indian side, which was then mediated by the US for the PK Armed forces to retreat. Majority of the causalties on the PK armies took place in the retreat process.
2019 IND vs PK mini battle-Pulwama: Defeat for India where atleast 1 plane has been recorded to be shot down by the PK (PAF) and India's pilot being captured and returned back to India.
Afghan War- PK/US/Afghan "Mujahideen" Allaince VICTORY against USSR/India/ other communist block allies/Afghan communist groups.
Afghan Civil War since 1990's - Present- Still ongoing for 20+ years, especially since 2001. The sides are Afghan Northern Alliance vs Aghan Taliban with very fluid backings of various state actors on all sides. Inorder to keep it focused between India and Pakistan, India is supporting the Northern Alliance and PK the Aghan Talibans. The US/Iran had been fluid all sides, with the most recent announcement of the Peacy Treaty withdrawal plan between the US and Aghan Taliban being announced. Thus the odds seems like at the moment that between PK vs IND proxy war of 20 years, PK has defeated IND on this front.
War on Terror: PK defeated the Indian/Aghan backed insurgents known as TTP.
In general, this attempt to create a Pro-Indian biased history is quite obvious, which is not based upon the facts. If one start listing All the historical events, the history reader will come to a conclusion that in most cases PK has won more the mini conflict or the longer term proxy conflicts.
On the traditional battle fronts the score is more on PK side (4-2). 1. 1947 Battle on Kashmir- PK won and captured territory what is known as AJK.
2. 1965 Battle- PK won and captured Indian Punjab swathes of acreages till the ceasefire was called and land returned back to IND.
3. 1971 Civil War- IND won and West. PK was defeated very badly to a point they were 7 days from completely loosing W. PK, had the ceasefire not called upon.
4. 1980's Siachen Battle- IND won based upon the first capture of startegic locations (few hundred meters), which is still under IND's control.
5. 1999 Kargil Conflict- PK won based upon the casualty counts higher on IND's side and the US intervention which lead to PK's voluntary retreat from the Startegically captured areas.
6. 2019 LOC Pulwama Conflict- PK won based upon the Indian Airforce plane/s being shot down and pilot/s captured.
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68.147.20.202 ( talk) 05:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Newly created page contains additional information which could be integrated into this page. GILO A& E⇑ 16:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
I wanted to discuss two subjects here.
To begin with, I believe it is imperative for this page to distinctly include each of the various phases of the Afghan Civil War. At the moment, it only displays the 1996-2001 conflict even though Pakistan had been deeply involved in the preceding periods as well, namely 1989-1992 and 1992-1996.
The relevant sources highlighting Pakistani involvement can be seen in the following articles which showcase Pakistan as a belligerent to the conflicts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1989%E2%80%931992)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1992%E2%80%931996)
It can be noted that the distinct periods have separate articles to properly distinguish them from one another. Moreover, they are independently identified as the “Second” and “Third” Afghan Civil Wars on this page here as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Afghanistan
Secondly, I hoped to discuss the result attributed to the conflict entitled “Afghan Civil War (1996-2001)” with respect to Pakistan. It states “Defeat. End of the Taliban government rule in Afghanistan”.
This directly contradicts the information showcased in pages closely tied with the conflict. For instance, when the main page for the conflict itself is observed, it establishes the result as a “Military Stalemate” rather than “Defeat” which contradicts the result stated here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1996%E2%80%932001)
Furthermore, the statement “End of Taliban government rule in Afghanistan” is misleading as well considering the “Afghan Civil War (1996-2001)” did not result in the collapse of the Taliban government.
The Taliban only fell when the United States intervened which is seen as a completely separate conflict from the Afghan Civil War. This distinction can be noted on the aforementioned page as well. The downfall of the Taliban is only listed on the “War in Afghanistan (2001-2021)” instead of “Afghan Civil War (1996-2001)”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)
The US Invasion of Afghanistan was directly facilitated by Pakistan which provided military bases and direct flight to American forces. The Pakistani government aligned itself with the United States following the September 11 Attacks and supported Coalition forces in toppling the Taliban regime. As such, I find it strange that the result is considered a defeat for Pakistan. 103.145.230.77 ( talk) 01:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. --> }} 42.201.171.125 ( talk) 09:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC) P Bruh who do you think I am
I have added maintenance citation needed tags to entries in the list that either: 1) Do not have citations showing the entry meets the article inclusion criteria "list of wars" or 2) Do not have citation for the details in the entry row. In some cases the linked article has citations for the entry and I have not marked those.
Unsourced material may be removed at any time per WP:BURDEN. Do not remove maintenance tags without fixing issue or removing entry as appropriate. // Timothy :: talk 18:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
I have added maintenance citation needed tags to entries in the list that either: 1) Do not have citations showing the entry meets the article inclusion criteria "list of wars" or 2) Do not have citation for the details in the entry row. In some cases the linked article has citations for the entry and I have not marked those.
Unsourced material may be removed at any time per WP:BURDEN. Do not remove maintenance tags without fixing issue or removing entry as appropriate. // Timothy :: talk 18:23, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi, there something i would like to discuss, if you could add rebbellions, uprisings and large scale operations, battles/skrimishes to the page (involving any country of course) :-
( List of wars involving Pakistan)
As you reverted my edit in which i had added a uprising giving the reason it was not a war, where as in other countries lists the same rebbellions, uprisings, Large scale operations/battles and skrimishes and other small scale conflicts are also added to lists of wars involving other countries by why were they not removed just like in the ones which i added ? like in ( List of wars involving the United States), ( List of wars involving India), ( List of wars involving Afghanistan)
Also majority of these conflicts are added in other pages are without even a citation ! If it dosent matter then why were they removed here ? Rahim231 Rahim231 ( talk) 19:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Pakistan provided military support during the First and Second JVP Insurrections. The List of wars involving India article mentions this (Post-colonial wars). We added the Korean war even though that was only diplomatic.
Additionally, Pakistan also provided military arms to Sri Lanka during their Civil war, as mentioned in the Sri Lankan Civil War article and Military history of Pakistan (support for Sri Lanka) too. India was initially supporting the Tamils, but switched sides towards the end. However, this is not mentioned in the article overview at all.
Lastly, Pakistan gave diplomatic support to Azerbaijan throughout the entire Nagorno-Karabakh conflict (for Azerbaijan providing diplomatic support on the Pakistani stance on Kashmir). This is mentioned in the Armenia-Pakistan relations and Azerbaijan-Pakistan relations articles. Again, we added the Korean war for less.
I'm bringing the articles directly as the sources used to substantiate those claims would have been verified.
Thanks. OperativePhase33 ( talk) 21:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
I wanted to let know that, in the list the drone war addition is copied content from page name: List of wars involving the United States see that page's history for attribution. Rahim231 ( talk) 09:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, i Have noticed that you have removed the wars which i added to the list and stating in the edit summary "no sources stating this was a war or that Pakistan was a party to a war, entry does not meet article list criteria"......I will state some sources here mentioning Pakistani involvement by troops,support or any other type:-
1- Congo Crisis Page itself states that :-
a) (The crisis began almost immediately after the Congo became independent from Belgium and ended, unofficially, with the entire country under the rule of Joseph-Désiré Mobutu. Constituting a series of civil wars, the Congo Crisis was also a proxy conflict in the Cold War, in which the Soviet Union and the United States supported opposing factions.)
b)The UN iteself led a intervention (Congo Crisis#Foreign reaction and UN intervention) and a Military intervention qualifies as joining a war.
2- Congo Crisis was the first ever Contigent of troops from Pakistan sent to fight for UN Missions.
Sources:-
a)This page mentions Pakistani troops involvement through the United Nations. (United Nations peacekeeping missions involving Pakistan)
b)Pakistan army official https://web.archive.org/web/20160323103158/https://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPReview/TextContent.aspx?pId=412
c) I already used this source which mentioned pakistan sent its troops to take part in its first ever Un mission https://web.archive.org/web/20240126174846/https://www.isas.nus.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/UN-Peacekeeping-Operations-Pakistans-Contributions-edit.pdf
d) This book used as a source also mentions Pakistani troops taking part in page Number 12 https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=j6ajCwAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y
I would agree with you in this case that pakistan did not take part in the military intervention along australia in the 22 member led military intervention so let it be removed International Force East Timor.
Overall with the sources i provided it should be enough for the Congo crisis edit to be revereted by you instead of me reverting it. Rahim231 ( talk) 06:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)