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I can't figure out how to get rid of the half category after the See also entry. deisenbe ( talk) 16:14, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Shouldn't Theodore Roosevelt be considered an unsuccessful major-party presidential candidate in 1912? While the Progressive (Bull Moose) Party was newly formed for the election, and was disbanded a few years afterwards, Roosevelt was Wilson's main rival in most states, finishing second in the national popular vote with 27.4% (he carried six states and finished second in 22 others) and second in the Electoral College with 88 electoral votes (80 more than the Republican nominee, President Taft). AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 19:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
To further bolster the argument that Roosevelt was a third party candidate, here are several sources that describe him as one:
Orser67 ( talk) 01:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
You are correct that Theodore Roosevelt's 1912 presidential run almost always is referred to as a third-party candidate. While I think that this is mostly due to the fact that it is difficult for people to fathom that, in a particular election, a new party has taken over a longstanding party's position as the major opposition to the other major party (unless the party goes on to win the next election, like the Republicans did--had the Know-Nothings stuck around and the Republicans gone kaput, everyone would talk about Frémont's historic "third-party run"), I certainly won't be able to find reliable sources that outweigh the reliable sources that you listed. So I will desist from calling for Theodore Roosevelt's inclusion in the article as a separate entry, and I thank you for your acknowledgment of his 1912 candidacy in a footnote to William Howard Taft.
Perhaps the name of the article should be changed to "List of unsuccessful major candidates for President of the United States" (deleting the word "party"), which would permit us to list Bell in 1860, Roosevelt in 1912, LaFollete in 1924, Thurmond in 1948, Wallace in 1968, and some other serious challengers for the presidency. I think that a person that wants to learn about people who ran for president and fell short would be short-changed if they weren't told about candidates that were competitive in numerous states and even carried some states. But unless and until such name change is made, the candidates listed should remain the same. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 22:01, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey User:Walk Like an Egyptian, I noticed you changed the images and the resolution size. I'm ok with both of those things, but I'd strongly prefer it if all of the images were 3x4 so that the column heights are all the same. Orser67 ( talk) 06:06, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm the one who created this list, in modest form. I think it would be useful if these summary words I had at the beginning, or some version of the information, were included. They need revision because I only dealt with 1860 onwards.
All candidates of minor parties alone have been unsuccessful. In some cases, minor parties have nominated the same candidate as a major party did, such as the Working Families Party, which nominated Barack Obama in 2008.
As seen below, two incumbent Democratic presidents (Cleveland, Carter) were defeated, and five incumbent Republicans were defeated (Harrison, Taft, Hoover, Ford, George H. W. Bush).
Only one candidate ran unsuccessfully three times (Bryan); two ran twice (Dewey, Stevenson).
deisenbe ( talk) 14:16, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
On what basis is Breckinridge excluded? He carried 11 states in 1860. deisenbe ( talk) 21:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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I can't figure out how to get rid of the half category after the See also entry. deisenbe ( talk) 16:14, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
Shouldn't Theodore Roosevelt be considered an unsuccessful major-party presidential candidate in 1912? While the Progressive (Bull Moose) Party was newly formed for the election, and was disbanded a few years afterwards, Roosevelt was Wilson's main rival in most states, finishing second in the national popular vote with 27.4% (he carried six states and finished second in 22 others) and second in the Electoral College with 88 electoral votes (80 more than the Republican nominee, President Taft). AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 19:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
To further bolster the argument that Roosevelt was a third party candidate, here are several sources that describe him as one:
Orser67 ( talk) 01:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
You are correct that Theodore Roosevelt's 1912 presidential run almost always is referred to as a third-party candidate. While I think that this is mostly due to the fact that it is difficult for people to fathom that, in a particular election, a new party has taken over a longstanding party's position as the major opposition to the other major party (unless the party goes on to win the next election, like the Republicans did--had the Know-Nothings stuck around and the Republicans gone kaput, everyone would talk about Frémont's historic "third-party run"), I certainly won't be able to find reliable sources that outweigh the reliable sources that you listed. So I will desist from calling for Theodore Roosevelt's inclusion in the article as a separate entry, and I thank you for your acknowledgment of his 1912 candidacy in a footnote to William Howard Taft.
Perhaps the name of the article should be changed to "List of unsuccessful major candidates for President of the United States" (deleting the word "party"), which would permit us to list Bell in 1860, Roosevelt in 1912, LaFollete in 1924, Thurmond in 1948, Wallace in 1968, and some other serious challengers for the presidency. I think that a person that wants to learn about people who ran for president and fell short would be short-changed if they weren't told about candidates that were competitive in numerous states and even carried some states. But unless and until such name change is made, the candidates listed should remain the same. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 22:01, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey User:Walk Like an Egyptian, I noticed you changed the images and the resolution size. I'm ok with both of those things, but I'd strongly prefer it if all of the images were 3x4 so that the column heights are all the same. Orser67 ( talk) 06:06, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm the one who created this list, in modest form. I think it would be useful if these summary words I had at the beginning, or some version of the information, were included. They need revision because I only dealt with 1860 onwards.
All candidates of minor parties alone have been unsuccessful. In some cases, minor parties have nominated the same candidate as a major party did, such as the Working Families Party, which nominated Barack Obama in 2008.
As seen below, two incumbent Democratic presidents (Cleveland, Carter) were defeated, and five incumbent Republicans were defeated (Harrison, Taft, Hoover, Ford, George H. W. Bush).
Only one candidate ran unsuccessfully three times (Bryan); two ran twice (Dewey, Stevenson).
deisenbe ( talk) 14:16, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
On what basis is Breckinridge excluded? He carried 11 states in 1860. deisenbe ( talk) 21:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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