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Great job, Southern Texas. Nice page, consistent with other pages, includes pictures. Great work. JasonCNJ 04:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
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Stevenson was definitely speaker for most of the first session of the 23rd Congress. As it stands now, we seem to suggest that there was no speaker for virtually the whole first session, until Bell was elected on June 2 (suspiciously, immediately after Stevenson resigned from the House!). And we apparently say this everywhere. The House website has, for some reason, apparently scrubbed Stevenson's tenure in the 23rd Congress from its pages, but it still lists him in the Congressional Biographical Directory, and every list I've ever seen before today shows him until June 1834. What happened here? john k ( talk) 22:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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Can someone fix the reason that Henry Clay's pictures isn't showing up. CTJF83 chat 18:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't "List of Speakers by state" be number or quantity, since it doesn't list them, or is there a planned expansion to meet billing? 75.203.189.159 ( talk) 02:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
It appears as if, especially early on in the listing, that a Speaker's tenure ended with the close of a Congressional session, instead of the end of their term (or removal by the House). Was it in fact the case that the Speakership expires when the House is not in session? Naturally, there is no Speaker (formally) the beginning of a term and the first seating of the House, but this is different.
Could someone knowledgeable in House procedure look at this perhaps? Uberhill 05:24, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to put "aged [age at death]" underneath the birth and death dates for each speaker? It's not terribly relevant to the material at hand and at first I took it to mean that this was their age upon becoming speaker. If someone really wants to know how old they were they died, they could just do the math with their birth/death dates. -- Jfruh ( talk) 07:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I’ve made some format changes to the SotH table so that it is consistent with the formatting of similar pages, such as the List of Presidents pro tempore of the United States Senate. Please note that in the speakers’ "party color" column I intentionally used the current Democratic Party meta color ( ) rather than the color currently used in the "party color" column for presidents on the presidents list page ( ). I did so because is the status quo meta color. There is currently a discussion at Template talk:Democratic Party (United States)/meta/color#Rfc: #3333FF or #34AAE0 on which color should be used as the meta color for the U.S. Democratic Party. Please join that discussion if you wish to express your view on this topic. Cheers. Drdpw ( talk) 18:49, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: The removal of the order of service from this table is inexplicable. The officers who serve as Speaker are numbered; Paul Ryan is the 54th. No reason was given for their removal. This is plain dumb. Spartan7W § 16:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't see why if a speaker has non consecutive terms he doesn't have different numbered speakership? AmYisroelChai ( talk) 18:36, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
I still don't agree that the numbering is accurate as we don't have any official numbering system it makes more sense to count each non consecutive term as a new number as we see by presidents governors prime ministers and others because if its non consecutive its as if there is a new speaker AmYisroelChai ( talk) 23:29, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
What we want & what is, are two different things. Reliable sources have Paul Ryan as the 54th Speaker of the House, not the 62nd. House Speakers aren't numbered the same as US Presidents, nor do they have to be. Even among state governors & lieutenant governors, some states have a different numbering scheme from others. For example: Arkansas numbers its governors who've served non-consecutive terms, multiple times (Bill Clinton, 40th & 42nd governor of Arkansas), while Alabama numbers its non-consecutive term governors only once (George Wallace, 45th governor of Alabama). There's no 'one rule' fits all. GoodDay ( talk) 16:39, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Best thing to do, go with no numbering. GoodDay ( talk) 22:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
As suggested by GoodDay, I made an RfC on Paul Ryan's (the current Speaker at the time) talk page, and there appears to be a consensus for at least some kind of numbering. However, if we commit to no numbering, then there is no good reason to continue numbering the Speakers on the individual pages either, as we do currently, and á la the Presidents pro tempore of the Senate, which are not numbered. I personally am partial to more information over less, so I would rather go with numbering, up to and including two columns counting Speakership terms and individuals separately. But I am strongly against "no numbering". Nevermore27 ( talk) 05:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Various people are changing Nancy Pelosi's images for her non-consecutive speakerships. Some believe that the images should be the same (as is every other non-consecutive speakership in this article), while others believe the images should be the official portrait from each term. Which is more appropriate? Nicholemacgregor ( talk) 21:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: Yes, I'm editing (and removing) the factions (Adams/Adams-Clay/Jackson/Crawford) universally throughout all WP articles. The faction is not necessary except in terms of the 1825 contingent election for U.S. president. If it is necessary to mention, then it ought to be mentioned in the text (if a prominent point) or as a footnote (if merely interesting, but irrelevant). If you think it's important here, then it's ok to keep it. :) — GoldRingChip 20:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
In the main table shouldn’t Nancy Pelosi’s entry in the “Terms Elected” or “TE” column be incremented to 4 rather than 3 to reflect the new 2021 term?
Normally I’d just make the edit myself but give the nature of this page; I thought it best to just suggest this change first. Macb103 ( talk) 23:49, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Hastert line is blue, should be red. 208.79.109.214 ( talk) 02:24, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi @ Drdpw: I see that you have reverted few of my edits. You could have asked me, but no issues. Do you object to any changes? I am open to reconsideration. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh ( talk) 16:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Speaker has not been elected, I reverted changes that assumed it passed to Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY). Until an election by the full membership of the House produces a speaker, the speakership is currently vacant. MLHuntley ( talk) 23:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
In the table of Speakers, there is already a column saying which party the Speaker belongs to. I'd like to suggest adding a column to say what party was in the Majority during the person's Speakership. I don't have an example, but I believe a few Speakers were not members of the Majority party. As an indirect nod to "compromise and cooperation", adding a Majority Party column would be of historical interest. 2600:8802:E0D:3E00:24E9:EEA3:575B:C2A5 ( talk) 04:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
The list says Patrick McHenry is Speaker. What I understand Speakership is vacante. Patrick is just handling the election of next Speaker as clerk did in January and that person is not listed. Andreasfroby ( talk) 21:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
John Bell is listed ahead of Kevin McCarthy in the "Rank" column (52nd place vs. 53rd) even though McCarthy is listed as serving longer (276 days for McCarthy vs. 275 for Bell). Seems like there's a problem here but I wanted to check in on the talk page before changing anything, in case there's some odd dispute over the number of days or some such. Jfruh ( talk) 21:21, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
There's discussion on "empowering" McHenry so he can perform the regular duties of Speaker. If that happens he should be included in the list as an acting Speaker. eduardog3000 ( talk) 15:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
If we include the most recent Speakership gap, then I would argue we need to include the other gaps as well. There are several once you go back more than 100 years. Perhaps there is something different about this particular gap, but then I think we need to include that.
And if the idea is that you want to mention the acting Speaker, that makes sense, too. But I would suggest that needs to be mentioned in every gap--or specified that Congress was not in session. — trlkly 22:07, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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Great job, Southern Texas. Nice page, consistent with other pages, includes pictures. Great work. JasonCNJ 04:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 23:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Stevenson was definitely speaker for most of the first session of the 23rd Congress. As it stands now, we seem to suggest that there was no speaker for virtually the whole first session, until Bell was elected on June 2 (suspiciously, immediately after Stevenson resigned from the House!). And we apparently say this everywhere. The House website has, for some reason, apparently scrubbed Stevenson's tenure in the 23rd Congress from its pages, but it still lists him in the Congressional Biographical Directory, and every list I've ever seen before today shows him until June 1834. What happened here? john k ( talk) 22:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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Can someone fix the reason that Henry Clay's pictures isn't showing up. CTJF83 chat 18:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't "List of Speakers by state" be number or quantity, since it doesn't list them, or is there a planned expansion to meet billing? 75.203.189.159 ( talk) 02:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
It appears as if, especially early on in the listing, that a Speaker's tenure ended with the close of a Congressional session, instead of the end of their term (or removal by the House). Was it in fact the case that the Speakership expires when the House is not in session? Naturally, there is no Speaker (formally) the beginning of a term and the first seating of the House, but this is different.
Could someone knowledgeable in House procedure look at this perhaps? Uberhill 05:24, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to put "aged [age at death]" underneath the birth and death dates for each speaker? It's not terribly relevant to the material at hand and at first I took it to mean that this was their age upon becoming speaker. If someone really wants to know how old they were they died, they could just do the math with their birth/death dates. -- Jfruh ( talk) 07:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I’ve made some format changes to the SotH table so that it is consistent with the formatting of similar pages, such as the List of Presidents pro tempore of the United States Senate. Please note that in the speakers’ "party color" column I intentionally used the current Democratic Party meta color ( ) rather than the color currently used in the "party color" column for presidents on the presidents list page ( ). I did so because is the status quo meta color. There is currently a discussion at Template talk:Democratic Party (United States)/meta/color#Rfc: #3333FF or #34AAE0 on which color should be used as the meta color for the U.S. Democratic Party. Please join that discussion if you wish to express your view on this topic. Cheers. Drdpw ( talk) 18:49, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: The removal of the order of service from this table is inexplicable. The officers who serve as Speaker are numbered; Paul Ryan is the 54th. No reason was given for their removal. This is plain dumb. Spartan7W § 16:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't see why if a speaker has non consecutive terms he doesn't have different numbered speakership? AmYisroelChai ( talk) 18:36, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
I still don't agree that the numbering is accurate as we don't have any official numbering system it makes more sense to count each non consecutive term as a new number as we see by presidents governors prime ministers and others because if its non consecutive its as if there is a new speaker AmYisroelChai ( talk) 23:29, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
What we want & what is, are two different things. Reliable sources have Paul Ryan as the 54th Speaker of the House, not the 62nd. House Speakers aren't numbered the same as US Presidents, nor do they have to be. Even among state governors & lieutenant governors, some states have a different numbering scheme from others. For example: Arkansas numbers its governors who've served non-consecutive terms, multiple times (Bill Clinton, 40th & 42nd governor of Arkansas), while Alabama numbers its non-consecutive term governors only once (George Wallace, 45th governor of Alabama). There's no 'one rule' fits all. GoodDay ( talk) 16:39, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Best thing to do, go with no numbering. GoodDay ( talk) 22:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
As suggested by GoodDay, I made an RfC on Paul Ryan's (the current Speaker at the time) talk page, and there appears to be a consensus for at least some kind of numbering. However, if we commit to no numbering, then there is no good reason to continue numbering the Speakers on the individual pages either, as we do currently, and á la the Presidents pro tempore of the Senate, which are not numbered. I personally am partial to more information over less, so I would rather go with numbering, up to and including two columns counting Speakership terms and individuals separately. But I am strongly against "no numbering". Nevermore27 ( talk) 05:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Various people are changing Nancy Pelosi's images for her non-consecutive speakerships. Some believe that the images should be the same (as is every other non-consecutive speakership in this article), while others believe the images should be the official portrait from each term. Which is more appropriate? Nicholemacgregor ( talk) 21:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Drdpw: Yes, I'm editing (and removing) the factions (Adams/Adams-Clay/Jackson/Crawford) universally throughout all WP articles. The faction is not necessary except in terms of the 1825 contingent election for U.S. president. If it is necessary to mention, then it ought to be mentioned in the text (if a prominent point) or as a footnote (if merely interesting, but irrelevant). If you think it's important here, then it's ok to keep it. :) — GoldRingChip 20:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
In the main table shouldn’t Nancy Pelosi’s entry in the “Terms Elected” or “TE” column be incremented to 4 rather than 3 to reflect the new 2021 term?
Normally I’d just make the edit myself but give the nature of this page; I thought it best to just suggest this change first. Macb103 ( talk) 23:49, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Hastert line is blue, should be red. 208.79.109.214 ( talk) 02:24, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi @ Drdpw: I see that you have reverted few of my edits. You could have asked me, but no issues. Do you object to any changes? I am open to reconsideration. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh ( talk) 16:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Speaker has not been elected, I reverted changes that assumed it passed to Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY). Until an election by the full membership of the House produces a speaker, the speakership is currently vacant. MLHuntley ( talk) 23:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
In the table of Speakers, there is already a column saying which party the Speaker belongs to. I'd like to suggest adding a column to say what party was in the Majority during the person's Speakership. I don't have an example, but I believe a few Speakers were not members of the Majority party. As an indirect nod to "compromise and cooperation", adding a Majority Party column would be of historical interest. 2600:8802:E0D:3E00:24E9:EEA3:575B:C2A5 ( talk) 04:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
The list says Patrick McHenry is Speaker. What I understand Speakership is vacante. Patrick is just handling the election of next Speaker as clerk did in January and that person is not listed. Andreasfroby ( talk) 21:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
John Bell is listed ahead of Kevin McCarthy in the "Rank" column (52nd place vs. 53rd) even though McCarthy is listed as serving longer (276 days for McCarthy vs. 275 for Bell). Seems like there's a problem here but I wanted to check in on the talk page before changing anything, in case there's some odd dispute over the number of days or some such. Jfruh ( talk) 21:21, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
There's discussion on "empowering" McHenry so he can perform the regular duties of Speaker. If that happens he should be included in the list as an acting Speaker. eduardog3000 ( talk) 15:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
If we include the most recent Speakership gap, then I would argue we need to include the other gaps as well. There are several once you go back more than 100 years. Perhaps there is something different about this particular gap, but then I think we need to include that.
And if the idea is that you want to mention the acting Speaker, that makes sense, too. But I would suggest that needs to be mentioned in every gap--or specified that Congress was not in session. — trlkly 22:07, 30 October 2023 (UTC)