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I'm considering adding the journal Bone, as at http://www.journals.elsevier.com/bone/ , to the listing under "Biophysics and biochemistry". There are currently nine journals listed there, and Bone seems to be more popular than some of the others. The internal link would go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bone_and_Mineral_Society#BONE Thoughts? Bob Enyart, Denver radio host at KGOV ( talk) 20:40, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
hi i'm new at this so forgive me if i would be braking wiki form but many of the journals on this page have free online access to them, is there not any way in which we could post links to these as they are much more valuable in some cases then the home pages of the journals. Diploid
It is recommended you check first, to see if the journal is open access. Then you can do it yourself. If it isn't try Google Scholar and then have it check Google--there's a reasonable chance for recent articles. DGG 09:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody else think we should have some kind of "inclusion critera" for adding journals to this list? Karol 08:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I think it is important that we make an inclusion criteria for this list, becuase we'll have a VERY long list soon (there are tens of thousands of journals in the world today). I propose that we use impact factor as a criterion - it's not the best, but it's still something. I say we only include journals that have had at least once in their lifetimes an impact factor above 1.0. Exceptions could be considered, if the journal is important for other reasons. More comprehensive lists could be created for specific fields, which already has happened in some cases. Does this sound reasonable? I am willing to go through the list and sort things out in a first run. Karol 16:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Let's start sorting things out. I added a word in the introduction of the list, revise at your will. Karol 17:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I had rather missed this article until someone added a link to it on List of scientific journals in chemistry where I have been active for a while adding new journals to the list and articles for some of them. This page has an awefull possability of becoming NPOV. To just let anyone select 10 journals is bound to be from a POV. I am not a fan of citation impact factors but it is something we can source. I have just edited the Chemistry section, removing the "Physical Chemistry" sub-section and listing 17 journals. These are selected as below and this comes now from the article itself as the source of the data:-
"The journals listed below are the chemistry journals that appear in the top ranking 40 journals most frequently referenced in Chemical Abstracts in "Chemical Abstracts Service Source Index, 1907 - 2004 Cumulative", Part 1, Page 46I. The data is based on a coverage analysis of the two volumes 140 - 141 of "Chemical Abstracts"."
I then left the three review journals that had been there even though they either do not appear in the 1000 most referenced journals by Chem. Abs. or they are not near the top rank. This is contrary to what I said above. Is adding these three POV?
NPOV is not a problem for the List of scientific journals in chemistry. We can really afford to list all chemistry journals there or at least all covered by Chem. Abs., and it is not too much of a worry that it will probably always be incomplete.
It is a bit of a worry that 10 of the 17 are redlinks. They do not have an article. Four were not even in the longer list. Fixing these should be on the chemists TODO list.
I added 17 because I thought that going down to 40 was reasonable, and it gives scope for people to argue that some of them are not really "proper chemistry". It is interested that those ranked 2 to 5 on the Chem Abs reference list are Physics Journals. J. Biol. Chem. is no. 1 and JACS is no. 6. Please suggest comments for improving what I have done. I also suggest that other disciplines should list journals using a similar criteria. -- Bduke 08:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Karol, I am quite happy about that, but I would like to see:-
before I fix it. What do people think? -- Bduke 09:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
My thoughts after a night's sleep are to create a new page List of review journals in chemistry and move all the purely review journals from List of scientific journals in chemistry to there. This will make the latter more manageable as there are many many more journals to add and will also allow an introduction on the importance of review articles for people entering a field and also allow mention of which review journals have high impact factors. What do people think? -- Bduke 02:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Itub has responded on Talk:List of scientific journals in chemistry with a list of impact factors from Science Citation Index. Because the review journals have few articles but get a lot of references, they dominate the top 10 with 6 out of 10. The list I used and Itub's list have no items in common for the top 10 and I think only JACS is in common in the two lists of the top 20. The impact list, in my opinion, has too many review journals in the top 10 to give readers, if we use that, a sense of what are the important journals for original research. The list I used looks better for that. However, these comments are not NPOV. So, how do we decide what to put in the chemistry section in an objective manner? It seems to me that both total number of references and average number of references per article are both usefull measures of the importance of a journal. I am almost inclined to suggest that List of scientific journals be deleted as being essentially POV and we add information on the top 10 or 20 journals using both criteria to the full list article in List of scientific journals in chemistry. We could do that anyway. -- Bduke 22:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I have just spent a few hours in Melbourne University and talked some of these questions over with another retired academic chemist. This has clarified what passes for my mind these days. I'll make several points.
There is no way we can get a good sample with only 10 journals, as there are more than 10 subareas of chemistry, especially if you count applied and interdisciplinary areas such as food chemistry. My approach was to include only the five main areas of basic chemistry I mentioned above, plus "general" and "review". Now I see I should also add "rapid communications" as well. I think that to be fair we should try two include two journals in each of these eight categories, because although choosing the "top" journal is certain to be controversial, choosing the top two is not as hard IMO gives less impression of bias. The total would be 16 journals, which I think is a reasonable number, close enough to 10 (we could count JPC A/B as one, or link to only one of them. Part B has the highest impact factor and number of citations).
Another option would be to list only "general chemistry" journals. That way it will be easier to produce a list with only 10. In that case, I would propose the top ten from the following list, which is based on total number of citations:
The good thing about this list is that it is based on an objective criterion and I think most people would agree that the list looks "reasonable". Itub 16:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
A couple more comments about the list above. If we are willing to list 15, I would list all of them. Fifteen seems like a natural cutoff to me in this case because the journals that follow all have very small impact factors (0.3-0.7) while everything in the top 15 has an impact factor greater than 1. I chose total number of citations rather than impact factor as the primary criterion to avoid having too many review journals and artifacts such as the lucky journal that has very few articles but a lot of references. Itub 17:02, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Itub, I appear to have overlooked this suggestion. I am happy to go along with this and list the top 10 general chemistry journals. I think we should stick to 10 as other disciplines have about 10. I like general journals as this avoids discussion of what are the main areas of chemistry to get balance. I am happy to put this on the page, stating clearly that it is a list of general journals. Could you give me a correct reference (to Sci Citation Index??) for your list of the top 15? Thanks. -- Bduke 03:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
See-also Impact_factor#Alternatives for a new page-rank style "impact factor" William M. Connolley 17:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Is Scientific American really not considered a scientific journal? ISI includes it in its Journal Citation Reports. Karol 16:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Now that we got ourselves a pretty extensive list, with alot of more specific lists, I guess it would be good to settle if we should add more information in this list besides journal names and links to their web site. Maybe ISSN numbers? Karol 21:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
List of publications in biology has recently been at AfD and was narrowly kept as there was no consensus. The original nominator seemed to thing it was a long list of publications. It could happen here. Some time ago there was a long debate about criteria for conclusion but it seemed to be almost entirely from chemists. We chemists discussed this at length and came to a consensus that we should include only journals that published across all fields of chemistry and were the top ten on impact. Meanwhile, I see journals being added, often by anon editors so it is less easy to ask them why they added a journal. Normally no reason for addition is given. The only policing of nonsense seems to be done by Karol, another chemist, who has deleted entries that were clearly inappropriate. This is not the place for everyone with a POV about their favorite journal to add it. Let us have some criteria? What about:-
-- Bduke 23:05, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Look at the heading of this article. It says:-
The following is a partial list of scientific journals. There are thousands of scientific journals in publication, and many more have been published at various points in the past. The list given here is far from exhaustive, and contains the most influential, currently publishing journals in each field. As a rule of thumb, each field should be represented by more or less ten positions, chosen by their impact factors and other ratings.
It is'nt for all but the 10 most influential. Some journals are clearly more notable than others. The place for all journals is articles like List of scientific journals in chemistry. That one, we are trying to make comprehensive. I am well aware of criteria for notability and I helped to fix the concerns about the entries under chemistry here in the general list. Why do'nt you address the criteria for other disciplines? -- Bduke 02:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Under biological sciences there should be a section for evolution. It is very strange that this section is missing.-- Metatree 13:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I really don't understand how this field is significant with respect to journal categories. AFAIK area studies journals can be categorized in sociology, history, or geagraphy. I don't think there's even such a category in the ISI database (although I can't check right now). As you can see, the Journal of the American Research Center in Egypt is already under List of scientific journals#History, and the article is categorized as an areas studies page. Similarly, Sarmatian Review can be easily placed in the List of scientific journals#Sociology section. I think those are the only two areas studies journals on Wikipedia. What is the incentive for such a section? Karol 06:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, we are not going to agree on anything sensible if there are only three of us discussing. The real problem with this page that is nobody is interested. -- Bduke 21:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
After recent additions, the section on Materials science is now too large. This page is not for all journals. It is for around 10 most important journals in the field. Perhaps List of scientific journals in materials science, similar to what other disciplines have done, should be started. Also no criteria for inclusion (i.e. importance) has been stated? About 6 entries should be deleted. Which are the least significant? -- Bduke 23:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
This seems a very odd list. It excludes Nature Medicine, probably the highest citation index of any preclinical medicine journal, as well as Annals of Internal Medicine & Archives of Internal Medicine, two highly respected and widely cited general clinical journals (and probably loads of others I'm blanking on at the moment), yet includes International Journal of Medical Sciences, which I'd never heard of (having worked in medical publishing for decades). Additionally, several of the journals here don't directly relate to medicine, either clinical or preclinical. Espresso Addict 07:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The recent addition of a set of Area studies journals has made me query the focus of this list. I'm not sure why a list of 'scientific journals' includes examples from, say, history, law & geography. I think it would make sense to move some or even all of the journals currently listed under social sciences to a separate list. Espresso Addict 22:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
There has to be some reason for deciding on the journals included, such as the chemistry list which states they have the top impact fact for journals that publish papers on all areas of chemistry. Maybe we need to be tough on the other areas until they do something similar. -- Bduke 03:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
There are two debates going on together here. Let me pick up the comment about Chemistry against Biology raised above. I take the point about uniformity and impact statements, but consider these points:- (1) there are 10 journals (or should be 10) listed in biology out of hundreds all of which can be listed on List of scientific journals in biology which currently lists about 60. How do you decide which 10? No criteria is given. Will any random 10 from the other list do? I'm not asking you to have the same criteria as chemistry. I'm asking you to debate this and have a criteria. The same applies to all other areas. (2) If no criteria is given, we might as well give up, because this list will go if it is ever put to AfD. -- Bduke 06:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
These sections have been moved to List of social science journals and List of humanities journals. A broader list has been added, List of academic journals meant to contain ONE most-important title from each subject, and refer to the other lists. I hope this will give a little more flexibility. For the three large lists, some of the subject sections are well populated. Some are not. Please add if you see a lack. In each of the three, the section has been limited to 10 in each field, to avoid accusations to listcruf. and provide a rationale for removing the obviously unimportant. Looking at what is there, I see some combination of importance and representedness, which seems appropriate to me. Then it is not just a finding list, for which the more specific list of journals in X are more suitable, but a list designed to encourage the user to see the variety of both journals and specialties in the field, and encourage following the links to the detailed lists. Obiously a few of the sections in some of the areas have very unimportant ones added, but I think it would be very impolitic to actually remove journals without asking on the talk page.
I suggest that in adding new journals you consider adding the articles fror them after the model of the other journals in the subject or related subjects. But please don't hesitate, because there are projects to add the articles for them. Does every journal deserve an article? I think the only way of avoiding fights over deletion is to say, yes. DGG 19:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
There are about 500 journals published by European societies, that can not be specifically assigned to any one country, most are published by a group of national societies. There are about 2,000 journals published by US national societies. A list that long is not useful. (and some of them are published by international publishers) (etc). At some point, this becomes unworkable, and results in multiply large categories. Suggestion for how to handle this are welcome.
A list of journals by publisher is also dubious, because of the predominance of the 3 major scientific publishers with more than 1000 titles each. I again ask for suggestions on how to deal with this. There is furthermore no need for such a list, as each company lists all of its journals very clearly on its web site.
There might be some point in a list of scientific publishers by country--but I need to look at that some more. DGG 06:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Such lists are better served by categories instead, indeed ( Category:Journals by country). Moosts 'list of...' are simply evil and unnecessary :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 15:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I do not agree with the removal of evolution as a sub-category, or with it's squished inclusion in in biology. Biology is a HUGE subject and there are a number of sub-categories that do not have a large amount of cross-talk. Most Universities nowadays divide Biology departments into Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, which is fairly cohesive and Molecular, Cell & Developmental Biology which is a little less so, but enough to be lumped together. Journals also divide fairly evenly along these lines. I also object to the fact that several journals were edited out when the evolution section was removed. The journals that were listed there are fairly high profile, and at the very least should have been moved into the larger biology section. When I have a little more time I'll pull those back into the fold. But in general, while I think it's appropriate to discuss organization, I don't think that deleting content simply becasue it doesn't fit into a certain organizational order is the way to go.-- Metatree 19:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
There has been 46 edits of this list in 2007. Journals are added and journals are removed. Yet, apart from a good discussion and consensus about a year ago by the chemists, there has been little or NO discussion of criteria for inclusion. Only the discussion above touches on criteria. There are hundreds of journals in each discipline area listed in headers here. We are adding just 10. There must be criteria for inclusion. If not, it is original research and this list should not exist. Please discuss criteria. I have given my idea that the criteria used by chemistry should apply generally, but people disagree that these criteria work for other disciplines. OK, fine. Develop some other criteria. -- Bduke 21:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I do not basically disagree. The disciplines can do it differently, but do it they must, otherwise this list is OR and will be deleted. There must be some criteria. I just want to see the different areas actually thinking and discussing it. Other points:
I don't think a list is original research just because it is incomplete and unrefined. Wikipedia articles are clearly allowed to exist in incomplete form. While it would be nice if others defined criteria as suggested here, I don't think it as urgent as it is being made to sound. There is no deadline. This encyclopedia has been written faster than any other, ever. Just keep making good contributions and it will get there. ike9898 21:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The number of journals in this section is now 16, well above the criteria of "more or less ten positions, chosen by their impact factors and other ratings". It is also not clear what "special field" ("the intention here is to list the top journal in each special field") each of the journals fits. Some should be moved to List of scientific journals in earth and atmospheric sciences. Another concern that applies elsewhere in this list is the presence of redlinks. Surely if a journal is notable enough for a special mention here in this restricted list, it should have an article of its own. I propose we delete all redlinks after ensuring that they are in the more general links. What do others think? If you agree, what time scale to we put on this, to allow time to create the new articles? -- Bduke 08:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
It is quite clear that this list is for the most influencial journals in each field of science. That means each entry should be notable enough for the journal to have its own artcile. I am going to be bold and move all entries that do not have their own article (redlinks) to here. Please put them back after you have written an article on the journal concerned. The moved entries are:
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Journal of Applied Horticulture
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Trends in Ecology & Evolution
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Phytotherapy Research
(journal home)
In general I would not be happy with this sort of move, but i think of this particular use as a very good idea indeed, in order to stimulate the writing of the necessary articles about the important ones. DGG ( talk) 04:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with everything just said. It's frustrating to look at the redlinks and see important journals that "obviously" belong here. Knowing that a journal is important isn't enough to write the needed article; but I suppose it's enough to begin a stub. Trevor Hanson 21:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
In general, peer reviewed journals will not have mentions in the lay press or lay literature, where the majority of reliable secondary sources reside. The exact wording of the current general guideline at WP:NOTE is "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." This will be a difficult hurdle to overcome for any number of journals with a high impact factor - obviously notable in certain fields but beneath the radar of secondary sourcing. Thoughts? --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Another factor to consider in assessing a particular journal is the presence of manifestly notable papers or articles. Just as we may grant notability to an otherwise obscure paper because it appears in a prestigious journal, we judge a journal by the presence of prestigious authors and widely-cited papers. It may be hard to find a citation where a scholar says "Oh yes, the Journal of Obfuscation is my preferred source for publication", but we should be able to spot certain seminal papers in a given field. "If X is notable, the publisher of X must also be notable."
However, I wonder if the present article lies somewhat outside the normal notability discussion. This strikes me more as a meta-forum, where subject matter experts are trying to define standards and reach consensus, identifying a core set of reliable sources that establish notability. Obviously if we hold every such discussion to the same standard, presuming every source to be non-notable, then it would be hard to begin. Trevor Hanson 17:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed we don't have a section for nutrition. Would this go under Medicine, you think? I'm thinking about starting a list. Also, what do you guys think of having both comprehensive lists and basic lists of journals? In the latter, I imagine all would be wikilinked and highly notable; in the former, we could feel free to add just about any journal. People want to give up on adding all journals and I don't really think that's necessary. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there are that many, especially when categorized into specialties. ImpIn | ( t - c) 07:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I won't be adding them all. I just think we should allow people to add more journals in specialties. I'd like to have a list of agricultural economics journals, for example. Also, where do you think I should place the list of nutrition journals?
I agree; my offhand remark of adding all journals was poorly thought out. But I do think that we should try to include more journals; when they are separated into specialties, the number becomes less burdensome. ImpIn | ( t - c) 01:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I really like lists, but I noted that they should be annotated and headlined over at the general list of academic journals page. They're annotated a little with the homepage, and categorized, but I think it would be nice if whether they had free content could be annotated. Ultimately, we could create tables for some of these things noting founding date, impact factor, ect. ImpIn | ( t - c) 08:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Just wondering. Can we have something like a List of scientific journals by abbreviation or something like that? Just thought about it while searching for a few ones which I couldn't identify. IMHO, such a list could be useful to people who are searching for the full name of an abbreviated reference. Shrumster ( talk) 09:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Journal of Medicinal and Aromatic Plant Sciences http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&as_publication=Journal+of+Medicinal+and+Aromatic+Plant+Sciences&start=0&sa=N -- 222.67.217.186 ( talk) 03:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
unless an accurate reference is cited for European Journal of Biochemistry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.64.17.113 ( talk) 11:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
International Journal of Food Science & Technology has been created based on the following http://www.wiley.com/bw/journal.asp?ref=0950-5423 -- 222.64.23.236 ( talk) 21:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
222.64.22.104, it would help if you registered for an account and then you could communicate with other editors on you talk page. It is not necessary to tag articles on this list, as long as the journal exists. Concerns should be tagged on the article on the journal itself. BTW, I am not tailing you. Some of the articles you are editing are on my watch list, so I notice your edits. -- Bduke (Discussion) 02:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
This article is for a few very notable journals in each area of science. It suggests no more than 10 in each section. Some sections are larger. There are other lists that are intended to be more complete. Given this high level of notability required, this list should certainly not contain journals that do not have a WP article. I have therefore removed those and links that are redirects, not to a journal but to a subject area article. If editors object, please write the article first to demonstrate its notability and then it can be included. I think there are still entries that do not meet the high standard necessary here. Please work on the more specialized lists and create some where they do not exist. -- Bduke (Discussion) 12:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
A new sub-section has been created by a new editor. I vetted the list. I removed three links that were not titles to scientific journals. Other than those three, the other links appear to be titles of scientific journals produced by established publishers. ---- Steve Quinn ( talk) 05:26, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
There is an RfC regarding the standardization of journal lists names. Please comment at Talk:List of journals#RFC. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I added the following peer-reviewed journals with links to their sources. However, the changes were reverted. The only response I received was "We are talking scientific journals here". I am happy to discuss their inclusion or exclusion. I don't understand why they would not qualify as scientific. Each of them is peer-reviewed, and as far as I know they follow the scientific method. Also, each one has the marks of scholarship, with an abstract and other features of academic writing. Titles of articles, one from each source, include "Karyotype Variability within the Cattle Monobaramin", "An Analysis of Astronomical Aspects of the Hydroplate Theory", "A Reconsideration of the Photoelectric Effect Alpha Decay", "Fossil jellyfish from the Pilbara, Western Australia."
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Joel B. Lewis believes Alexia rank is nonsensical in this context. They are defiantly sensical(meaningful) but I think he means not relevant. I believe scientific journals are important to professionals, news, and others not active the the field, and therefore the rate of online access is a relevant measure of consumption/popularity (and revenue) where h-index is only a measure of creation/citation. Additionally both are important measures of notability. In either case readers are free to use the column that interests them most. Tim ( talk) 14:42, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
The chemistry list has not been changed in more than a decade. I have just found this source - https://blog.typeset.io/top-10-international-chemistry-journals-a-template-guide-a452b923a885 which is actually taken from this Wikipedia article! That is not good. I came across this list - https://www.scimagojr.com/journalrank.php?category=1601, which is more recent than the sources we used long ago. Should we take the top 10 of this list? They are:-
or does anyone have a better idea? -- Bduke ( talk) 06:49, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Would it be considered appropriate to add any of the following American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) journals to this page? Two in particular have strong impact factors (which I believe is one of the criteria used to consider additions), and are highly ranked in their JCR categories. Three of AAAS's other journals (Science, Science Advances, and Science Translational Medicine) are already present on the list.
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Under “Life Science”/”Biology in General” heading: Science Signaling ( /info/en/?search=Science_Signaling) [2021 Impact Factor: 9.714, 30/297 in Biochemistry & Molecular Biology | 34/195 in Cell Biology]
Under “Immunology” heading: Science Immunology ( /info/en/?search=Science_Immunology) [2021 Impact Factor: 30.658, 5/162 in Immunology]
Under “Robotics and automation” heading: Science Robotics ( /info/en/?search=Science_Robotics) [2021 Impact Factor: 27.541, 1/30 in Robotics]
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I'm considering adding the journal Bone, as at http://www.journals.elsevier.com/bone/ , to the listing under "Biophysics and biochemistry". There are currently nine journals listed there, and Bone seems to be more popular than some of the others. The internal link would go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bone_and_Mineral_Society#BONE Thoughts? Bob Enyart, Denver radio host at KGOV ( talk) 20:40, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
hi i'm new at this so forgive me if i would be braking wiki form but many of the journals on this page have free online access to them, is there not any way in which we could post links to these as they are much more valuable in some cases then the home pages of the journals. Diploid
It is recommended you check first, to see if the journal is open access. Then you can do it yourself. If it isn't try Google Scholar and then have it check Google--there's a reasonable chance for recent articles. DGG 09:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody else think we should have some kind of "inclusion critera" for adding journals to this list? Karol 08:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I think it is important that we make an inclusion criteria for this list, becuase we'll have a VERY long list soon (there are tens of thousands of journals in the world today). I propose that we use impact factor as a criterion - it's not the best, but it's still something. I say we only include journals that have had at least once in their lifetimes an impact factor above 1.0. Exceptions could be considered, if the journal is important for other reasons. More comprehensive lists could be created for specific fields, which already has happened in some cases. Does this sound reasonable? I am willing to go through the list and sort things out in a first run. Karol 16:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Let's start sorting things out. I added a word in the introduction of the list, revise at your will. Karol 17:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I had rather missed this article until someone added a link to it on List of scientific journals in chemistry where I have been active for a while adding new journals to the list and articles for some of them. This page has an awefull possability of becoming NPOV. To just let anyone select 10 journals is bound to be from a POV. I am not a fan of citation impact factors but it is something we can source. I have just edited the Chemistry section, removing the "Physical Chemistry" sub-section and listing 17 journals. These are selected as below and this comes now from the article itself as the source of the data:-
"The journals listed below are the chemistry journals that appear in the top ranking 40 journals most frequently referenced in Chemical Abstracts in "Chemical Abstracts Service Source Index, 1907 - 2004 Cumulative", Part 1, Page 46I. The data is based on a coverage analysis of the two volumes 140 - 141 of "Chemical Abstracts"."
I then left the three review journals that had been there even though they either do not appear in the 1000 most referenced journals by Chem. Abs. or they are not near the top rank. This is contrary to what I said above. Is adding these three POV?
NPOV is not a problem for the List of scientific journals in chemistry. We can really afford to list all chemistry journals there or at least all covered by Chem. Abs., and it is not too much of a worry that it will probably always be incomplete.
It is a bit of a worry that 10 of the 17 are redlinks. They do not have an article. Four were not even in the longer list. Fixing these should be on the chemists TODO list.
I added 17 because I thought that going down to 40 was reasonable, and it gives scope for people to argue that some of them are not really "proper chemistry". It is interested that those ranked 2 to 5 on the Chem Abs reference list are Physics Journals. J. Biol. Chem. is no. 1 and JACS is no. 6. Please suggest comments for improving what I have done. I also suggest that other disciplines should list journals using a similar criteria. -- Bduke 08:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Karol, I am quite happy about that, but I would like to see:-
before I fix it. What do people think? -- Bduke 09:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
My thoughts after a night's sleep are to create a new page List of review journals in chemistry and move all the purely review journals from List of scientific journals in chemistry to there. This will make the latter more manageable as there are many many more journals to add and will also allow an introduction on the importance of review articles for people entering a field and also allow mention of which review journals have high impact factors. What do people think? -- Bduke 02:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Itub has responded on Talk:List of scientific journals in chemistry with a list of impact factors from Science Citation Index. Because the review journals have few articles but get a lot of references, they dominate the top 10 with 6 out of 10. The list I used and Itub's list have no items in common for the top 10 and I think only JACS is in common in the two lists of the top 20. The impact list, in my opinion, has too many review journals in the top 10 to give readers, if we use that, a sense of what are the important journals for original research. The list I used looks better for that. However, these comments are not NPOV. So, how do we decide what to put in the chemistry section in an objective manner? It seems to me that both total number of references and average number of references per article are both usefull measures of the importance of a journal. I am almost inclined to suggest that List of scientific journals be deleted as being essentially POV and we add information on the top 10 or 20 journals using both criteria to the full list article in List of scientific journals in chemistry. We could do that anyway. -- Bduke 22:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I have just spent a few hours in Melbourne University and talked some of these questions over with another retired academic chemist. This has clarified what passes for my mind these days. I'll make several points.
There is no way we can get a good sample with only 10 journals, as there are more than 10 subareas of chemistry, especially if you count applied and interdisciplinary areas such as food chemistry. My approach was to include only the five main areas of basic chemistry I mentioned above, plus "general" and "review". Now I see I should also add "rapid communications" as well. I think that to be fair we should try two include two journals in each of these eight categories, because although choosing the "top" journal is certain to be controversial, choosing the top two is not as hard IMO gives less impression of bias. The total would be 16 journals, which I think is a reasonable number, close enough to 10 (we could count JPC A/B as one, or link to only one of them. Part B has the highest impact factor and number of citations).
Another option would be to list only "general chemistry" journals. That way it will be easier to produce a list with only 10. In that case, I would propose the top ten from the following list, which is based on total number of citations:
The good thing about this list is that it is based on an objective criterion and I think most people would agree that the list looks "reasonable". Itub 16:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
A couple more comments about the list above. If we are willing to list 15, I would list all of them. Fifteen seems like a natural cutoff to me in this case because the journals that follow all have very small impact factors (0.3-0.7) while everything in the top 15 has an impact factor greater than 1. I chose total number of citations rather than impact factor as the primary criterion to avoid having too many review journals and artifacts such as the lucky journal that has very few articles but a lot of references. Itub 17:02, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Itub, I appear to have overlooked this suggestion. I am happy to go along with this and list the top 10 general chemistry journals. I think we should stick to 10 as other disciplines have about 10. I like general journals as this avoids discussion of what are the main areas of chemistry to get balance. I am happy to put this on the page, stating clearly that it is a list of general journals. Could you give me a correct reference (to Sci Citation Index??) for your list of the top 15? Thanks. -- Bduke 03:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
See-also Impact_factor#Alternatives for a new page-rank style "impact factor" William M. Connolley 17:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Is Scientific American really not considered a scientific journal? ISI includes it in its Journal Citation Reports. Karol 16:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Now that we got ourselves a pretty extensive list, with alot of more specific lists, I guess it would be good to settle if we should add more information in this list besides journal names and links to their web site. Maybe ISSN numbers? Karol 21:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
List of publications in biology has recently been at AfD and was narrowly kept as there was no consensus. The original nominator seemed to thing it was a long list of publications. It could happen here. Some time ago there was a long debate about criteria for conclusion but it seemed to be almost entirely from chemists. We chemists discussed this at length and came to a consensus that we should include only journals that published across all fields of chemistry and were the top ten on impact. Meanwhile, I see journals being added, often by anon editors so it is less easy to ask them why they added a journal. Normally no reason for addition is given. The only policing of nonsense seems to be done by Karol, another chemist, who has deleted entries that were clearly inappropriate. This is not the place for everyone with a POV about their favorite journal to add it. Let us have some criteria? What about:-
-- Bduke 23:05, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Look at the heading of this article. It says:-
The following is a partial list of scientific journals. There are thousands of scientific journals in publication, and many more have been published at various points in the past. The list given here is far from exhaustive, and contains the most influential, currently publishing journals in each field. As a rule of thumb, each field should be represented by more or less ten positions, chosen by their impact factors and other ratings.
It is'nt for all but the 10 most influential. Some journals are clearly more notable than others. The place for all journals is articles like List of scientific journals in chemistry. That one, we are trying to make comprehensive. I am well aware of criteria for notability and I helped to fix the concerns about the entries under chemistry here in the general list. Why do'nt you address the criteria for other disciplines? -- Bduke 02:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Under biological sciences there should be a section for evolution. It is very strange that this section is missing.-- Metatree 13:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I really don't understand how this field is significant with respect to journal categories. AFAIK area studies journals can be categorized in sociology, history, or geagraphy. I don't think there's even such a category in the ISI database (although I can't check right now). As you can see, the Journal of the American Research Center in Egypt is already under List of scientific journals#History, and the article is categorized as an areas studies page. Similarly, Sarmatian Review can be easily placed in the List of scientific journals#Sociology section. I think those are the only two areas studies journals on Wikipedia. What is the incentive for such a section? Karol 06:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, we are not going to agree on anything sensible if there are only three of us discussing. The real problem with this page that is nobody is interested. -- Bduke 21:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
After recent additions, the section on Materials science is now too large. This page is not for all journals. It is for around 10 most important journals in the field. Perhaps List of scientific journals in materials science, similar to what other disciplines have done, should be started. Also no criteria for inclusion (i.e. importance) has been stated? About 6 entries should be deleted. Which are the least significant? -- Bduke 23:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
This seems a very odd list. It excludes Nature Medicine, probably the highest citation index of any preclinical medicine journal, as well as Annals of Internal Medicine & Archives of Internal Medicine, two highly respected and widely cited general clinical journals (and probably loads of others I'm blanking on at the moment), yet includes International Journal of Medical Sciences, which I'd never heard of (having worked in medical publishing for decades). Additionally, several of the journals here don't directly relate to medicine, either clinical or preclinical. Espresso Addict 07:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The recent addition of a set of Area studies journals has made me query the focus of this list. I'm not sure why a list of 'scientific journals' includes examples from, say, history, law & geography. I think it would make sense to move some or even all of the journals currently listed under social sciences to a separate list. Espresso Addict 22:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
There has to be some reason for deciding on the journals included, such as the chemistry list which states they have the top impact fact for journals that publish papers on all areas of chemistry. Maybe we need to be tough on the other areas until they do something similar. -- Bduke 03:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
There are two debates going on together here. Let me pick up the comment about Chemistry against Biology raised above. I take the point about uniformity and impact statements, but consider these points:- (1) there are 10 journals (or should be 10) listed in biology out of hundreds all of which can be listed on List of scientific journals in biology which currently lists about 60. How do you decide which 10? No criteria is given. Will any random 10 from the other list do? I'm not asking you to have the same criteria as chemistry. I'm asking you to debate this and have a criteria. The same applies to all other areas. (2) If no criteria is given, we might as well give up, because this list will go if it is ever put to AfD. -- Bduke 06:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
These sections have been moved to List of social science journals and List of humanities journals. A broader list has been added, List of academic journals meant to contain ONE most-important title from each subject, and refer to the other lists. I hope this will give a little more flexibility. For the three large lists, some of the subject sections are well populated. Some are not. Please add if you see a lack. In each of the three, the section has been limited to 10 in each field, to avoid accusations to listcruf. and provide a rationale for removing the obviously unimportant. Looking at what is there, I see some combination of importance and representedness, which seems appropriate to me. Then it is not just a finding list, for which the more specific list of journals in X are more suitable, but a list designed to encourage the user to see the variety of both journals and specialties in the field, and encourage following the links to the detailed lists. Obiously a few of the sections in some of the areas have very unimportant ones added, but I think it would be very impolitic to actually remove journals without asking on the talk page.
I suggest that in adding new journals you consider adding the articles fror them after the model of the other journals in the subject or related subjects. But please don't hesitate, because there are projects to add the articles for them. Does every journal deserve an article? I think the only way of avoiding fights over deletion is to say, yes. DGG 19:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
There are about 500 journals published by European societies, that can not be specifically assigned to any one country, most are published by a group of national societies. There are about 2,000 journals published by US national societies. A list that long is not useful. (and some of them are published by international publishers) (etc). At some point, this becomes unworkable, and results in multiply large categories. Suggestion for how to handle this are welcome.
A list of journals by publisher is also dubious, because of the predominance of the 3 major scientific publishers with more than 1000 titles each. I again ask for suggestions on how to deal with this. There is furthermore no need for such a list, as each company lists all of its journals very clearly on its web site.
There might be some point in a list of scientific publishers by country--but I need to look at that some more. DGG 06:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Such lists are better served by categories instead, indeed ( Category:Journals by country). Moosts 'list of...' are simply evil and unnecessary :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 15:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I do not agree with the removal of evolution as a sub-category, or with it's squished inclusion in in biology. Biology is a HUGE subject and there are a number of sub-categories that do not have a large amount of cross-talk. Most Universities nowadays divide Biology departments into Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, which is fairly cohesive and Molecular, Cell & Developmental Biology which is a little less so, but enough to be lumped together. Journals also divide fairly evenly along these lines. I also object to the fact that several journals were edited out when the evolution section was removed. The journals that were listed there are fairly high profile, and at the very least should have been moved into the larger biology section. When I have a little more time I'll pull those back into the fold. But in general, while I think it's appropriate to discuss organization, I don't think that deleting content simply becasue it doesn't fit into a certain organizational order is the way to go.-- Metatree 19:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
There has been 46 edits of this list in 2007. Journals are added and journals are removed. Yet, apart from a good discussion and consensus about a year ago by the chemists, there has been little or NO discussion of criteria for inclusion. Only the discussion above touches on criteria. There are hundreds of journals in each discipline area listed in headers here. We are adding just 10. There must be criteria for inclusion. If not, it is original research and this list should not exist. Please discuss criteria. I have given my idea that the criteria used by chemistry should apply generally, but people disagree that these criteria work for other disciplines. OK, fine. Develop some other criteria. -- Bduke 21:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I do not basically disagree. The disciplines can do it differently, but do it they must, otherwise this list is OR and will be deleted. There must be some criteria. I just want to see the different areas actually thinking and discussing it. Other points:
I don't think a list is original research just because it is incomplete and unrefined. Wikipedia articles are clearly allowed to exist in incomplete form. While it would be nice if others defined criteria as suggested here, I don't think it as urgent as it is being made to sound. There is no deadline. This encyclopedia has been written faster than any other, ever. Just keep making good contributions and it will get there. ike9898 21:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
The number of journals in this section is now 16, well above the criteria of "more or less ten positions, chosen by their impact factors and other ratings". It is also not clear what "special field" ("the intention here is to list the top journal in each special field") each of the journals fits. Some should be moved to List of scientific journals in earth and atmospheric sciences. Another concern that applies elsewhere in this list is the presence of redlinks. Surely if a journal is notable enough for a special mention here in this restricted list, it should have an article of its own. I propose we delete all redlinks after ensuring that they are in the more general links. What do others think? If you agree, what time scale to we put on this, to allow time to create the new articles? -- Bduke 08:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
It is quite clear that this list is for the most influencial journals in each field of science. That means each entry should be notable enough for the journal to have its own artcile. I am going to be bold and move all entries that do not have their own article (redlinks) to here. Please put them back after you have written an article on the journal concerned. The moved entries are:
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Journal of Applied Horticulture
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Trends in Ecology & Evolution
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Phytotherapy Research
(journal home)
In general I would not be happy with this sort of move, but i think of this particular use as a very good idea indeed, in order to stimulate the writing of the necessary articles about the important ones. DGG ( talk) 04:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with everything just said. It's frustrating to look at the redlinks and see important journals that "obviously" belong here. Knowing that a journal is important isn't enough to write the needed article; but I suppose it's enough to begin a stub. Trevor Hanson 21:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
In general, peer reviewed journals will not have mentions in the lay press or lay literature, where the majority of reliable secondary sources reside. The exact wording of the current general guideline at WP:NOTE is "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." This will be a difficult hurdle to overcome for any number of journals with a high impact factor - obviously notable in certain fields but beneath the radar of secondary sourcing. Thoughts? --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Another factor to consider in assessing a particular journal is the presence of manifestly notable papers or articles. Just as we may grant notability to an otherwise obscure paper because it appears in a prestigious journal, we judge a journal by the presence of prestigious authors and widely-cited papers. It may be hard to find a citation where a scholar says "Oh yes, the Journal of Obfuscation is my preferred source for publication", but we should be able to spot certain seminal papers in a given field. "If X is notable, the publisher of X must also be notable."
However, I wonder if the present article lies somewhat outside the normal notability discussion. This strikes me more as a meta-forum, where subject matter experts are trying to define standards and reach consensus, identifying a core set of reliable sources that establish notability. Obviously if we hold every such discussion to the same standard, presuming every source to be non-notable, then it would be hard to begin. Trevor Hanson 17:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed we don't have a section for nutrition. Would this go under Medicine, you think? I'm thinking about starting a list. Also, what do you guys think of having both comprehensive lists and basic lists of journals? In the latter, I imagine all would be wikilinked and highly notable; in the former, we could feel free to add just about any journal. People want to give up on adding all journals and I don't really think that's necessary. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there are that many, especially when categorized into specialties. ImpIn | ( t - c) 07:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I won't be adding them all. I just think we should allow people to add more journals in specialties. I'd like to have a list of agricultural economics journals, for example. Also, where do you think I should place the list of nutrition journals?
I agree; my offhand remark of adding all journals was poorly thought out. But I do think that we should try to include more journals; when they are separated into specialties, the number becomes less burdensome. ImpIn | ( t - c) 01:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I really like lists, but I noted that they should be annotated and headlined over at the general list of academic journals page. They're annotated a little with the homepage, and categorized, but I think it would be nice if whether they had free content could be annotated. Ultimately, we could create tables for some of these things noting founding date, impact factor, ect. ImpIn | ( t - c) 08:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Just wondering. Can we have something like a List of scientific journals by abbreviation or something like that? Just thought about it while searching for a few ones which I couldn't identify. IMHO, such a list could be useful to people who are searching for the full name of an abbreviated reference. Shrumster ( talk) 09:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Journal of Medicinal and Aromatic Plant Sciences http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&as_publication=Journal+of+Medicinal+and+Aromatic+Plant+Sciences&start=0&sa=N -- 222.67.217.186 ( talk) 03:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
unless an accurate reference is cited for European Journal of Biochemistry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.64.17.113 ( talk) 11:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
International Journal of Food Science & Technology has been created based on the following http://www.wiley.com/bw/journal.asp?ref=0950-5423 -- 222.64.23.236 ( talk) 21:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
222.64.22.104, it would help if you registered for an account and then you could communicate with other editors on you talk page. It is not necessary to tag articles on this list, as long as the journal exists. Concerns should be tagged on the article on the journal itself. BTW, I am not tailing you. Some of the articles you are editing are on my watch list, so I notice your edits. -- Bduke (Discussion) 02:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
This article is for a few very notable journals in each area of science. It suggests no more than 10 in each section. Some sections are larger. There are other lists that are intended to be more complete. Given this high level of notability required, this list should certainly not contain journals that do not have a WP article. I have therefore removed those and links that are redirects, not to a journal but to a subject area article. If editors object, please write the article first to demonstrate its notability and then it can be included. I think there are still entries that do not meet the high standard necessary here. Please work on the more specialized lists and create some where they do not exist. -- Bduke (Discussion) 12:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
A new sub-section has been created by a new editor. I vetted the list. I removed three links that were not titles to scientific journals. Other than those three, the other links appear to be titles of scientific journals produced by established publishers. ---- Steve Quinn ( talk) 05:26, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
There is an RfC regarding the standardization of journal lists names. Please comment at Talk:List of journals#RFC. Headbomb { talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I added the following peer-reviewed journals with links to their sources. However, the changes were reverted. The only response I received was "We are talking scientific journals here". I am happy to discuss their inclusion or exclusion. I don't understand why they would not qualify as scientific. Each of them is peer-reviewed, and as far as I know they follow the scientific method. Also, each one has the marks of scholarship, with an abstract and other features of academic writing. Titles of articles, one from each source, include "Karyotype Variability within the Cattle Monobaramin", "An Analysis of Astronomical Aspects of the Hydroplate Theory", "A Reconsideration of the Photoelectric Effect Alpha Decay", "Fossil jellyfish from the Pilbara, Western Australia."
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Joel B. Lewis believes Alexia rank is nonsensical in this context. They are defiantly sensical(meaningful) but I think he means not relevant. I believe scientific journals are important to professionals, news, and others not active the the field, and therefore the rate of online access is a relevant measure of consumption/popularity (and revenue) where h-index is only a measure of creation/citation. Additionally both are important measures of notability. In either case readers are free to use the column that interests them most. Tim ( talk) 14:42, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
The chemistry list has not been changed in more than a decade. I have just found this source - https://blog.typeset.io/top-10-international-chemistry-journals-a-template-guide-a452b923a885 which is actually taken from this Wikipedia article! That is not good. I came across this list - https://www.scimagojr.com/journalrank.php?category=1601, which is more recent than the sources we used long ago. Should we take the top 10 of this list? They are:-
or does anyone have a better idea? -- Bduke ( talk) 06:49, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Would it be considered appropriate to add any of the following American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) journals to this page? Two in particular have strong impact factors (which I believe is one of the criteria used to consider additions), and are highly ranked in their JCR categories. Three of AAAS's other journals (Science, Science Advances, and Science Translational Medicine) are already present on the list.
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Under “Life Science”/”Biology in General” heading: Science Signaling ( /info/en/?search=Science_Signaling) [2021 Impact Factor: 9.714, 30/297 in Biochemistry & Molecular Biology | 34/195 in Cell Biology]
Under “Immunology” heading: Science Immunology ( /info/en/?search=Science_Immunology) [2021 Impact Factor: 30.658, 5/162 in Immunology]
Under “Robotics and automation” heading: Science Robotics ( /info/en/?search=Science_Robotics) [2021 Impact Factor: 27.541, 1/30 in Robotics]
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Full disclosure, I have a direct COI as a staff member of AAAS (the publishing society of these journals), so I fully understand if this edit request cannot be approved. Mphelan123 ( talk) 13:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)