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Q2 is mainly referencing the myth that Atchison was acting president. But what about HW and Cheney? I think there should be a note next to their names in the VP column saying they acted as president. Example:
Presidency [a] | President | Party [b] | Election | Vice President | |||
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40 | January 20, 1981 – January 20, 1989 |
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Ronald Reagan | Republican | 1980 | George H. W. Bush [c] | |
1984 | |||||||
43 | January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009 |
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George W. Bush | Republican | 2000 | Dick Cheney [d] | |
2004 |
-- eduardog3000 ( talk) 19:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
As has been seen in the edit history the past few days, there is some disagreement over Obama's portrait.
Currently, his first term photo is on the page. This is inconsistent with most of the other photos on the page which are using the photos found on the official White House website (Here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/), which to my knowledge use second-term portraits when available.
I know concerns have been brought up that Obama's second term portrait is too far back and unlike the other images, which are all closely cropped headshots, but this can easily be fixed with cropping.
Can someone point me to a consensus to use Obama's first term portrait, if there is one? Also, what is the required steps to challenge a consensus? Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 04:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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I don't know how to edit yet but can someone please remove Incumbent from Joe Biden's listing as our 46th President? Thank you. Dramaced ( talk) 16:56, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Because Joe Biden is the current president now, why don't we have this as his new portrait [1]-- Greencarrots98 ( talk) 22:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)Greencarrots98
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The peer review has now been archived at Wikipedia:Peer review/List of presidents of the United States/archive1. The suggestions all pertain to the lead. I'm not willing to take it on by myself, but I'd very much suggest that the articles' top contributors put it forward at WP:FLC after applying the tweaks (I'd be willing to co-nom). It won't take much work to get this in passing shape, and it's low-hanging fruit for anyone who wants a WP:Million award. {{u| Sdkb}} talk 18:10, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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Currently the article uses the Stuart portrait of John Adams:
However, the official portrait is the Trumbell portrait:
Can we get a consensus on updating the Adams portrait?
Thurgoodmarshallisbae ( talk) 23:00, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
I want the one where he's doing his high school senior pose!"
On the list there is a glitch where the second you scroll down to the 44th president all of the pictures disappear. Not sure why or how this is happening but it is happening. UnderTails63 ( talk) 23:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
– I did not detect a glitch in the table.
Drdpw (
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00:32, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I am also experiencing the same issue with presidential pictures disappearing alter scrolling to the end of the list. Worth noting this only happens on my iPhone (Browser: safari / IPhone 11pro updated to latest software). However I did not experience this on my I-pad w/ Safari Herenow44 ( talk) 04:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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I opened a talk section about the Obama portrait but saw no discussion, so I'm opening an RfC.
All of the portraits listed on this page seem to follow the portraits listed on the official White House presidents list, which is most often the second-term portrait of Presidents who have served a second term (here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/)
Obama's portrait is an exception, his first-term portrait from 2009 is used in the article despite a second-term portrait existing and being used on the White House site and despite all of the presidents around him using their more recent portraits.
Question: Which of these photos should be used for Barack Obama's portrait on this article?
Personally I think Option C is suitable. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 06:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
The portrait of Quincy Adams currently being used was created roughly 15 years (likely more) after his presidency:
I suggest we use a portrait of him that was likely created during his presidency instead:
Van Buren also has a portrait created long after his presidency, around 20 years:
We should use this painting of him instead, since it was also likely created during his presidency:
PJRoRo ( talk) 17:08, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Quick question, why is Reagan's lead image his first term official portrait vs his second term official portrait? For Bush and Obama, their lead images are their second term's official portraits. Just wondering. I've placed Reagan's second term portrait for visual reference. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 19:52, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
How do we decide when to make the titular names of the Presidents include their middle name, their middle initial or no middle name at all? Can the names given be trusted to reflect the most common names of these Presidents? I'm working on something where I need the most idiomatic names of the presidents and want to use this a reference, but I'm leery about whether some of the names (such as Harry S. Truman instead of Harry Truman, William Howard Taft instead of William Taft) are accurate for this purpose. 24.59.152.85 ( talk) 14:51, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
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There were two parties before the 1st Congress. The Federalists and Anti-Federalists. After the articles of confederation proved to be lacking a central authority, the above mentioned parties began forming a new United States so that each state would have equal opportunity to pursue their interests while retaining sovereignty.
Source: literally any textbook. 2600:8801:2A8F:2700:8990:5602:2DEC:30E9 ( talk) 07:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I suggest adding this "table TOC", a compact list indexing the table. Lots of readers probably just want the actual list of presidents without scrolling through a long table, 12 screens on my desktop. Or they only want to see a few entries like the recent ones, 10+ screens down. The table is 70 times longer than the list on my screen. I added the list but was reverted by Drdpw. PrimeHunter ( talk) 22:41, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
I suggest adding the president's birth and death under their name like this revision. This is done in most lists of countries' heads of states or governments such as List of prime ministers of Canada, List of presidents of Russia and List of chancellors of Germany, among others. I feel that this list is too bland compared to other lists of countries' leaders. Cyrobyte ( talk) 16:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
@
Drdpw:
this note (or a variation of) seems like it might a worthwhile addition. Considering the column header is simply: "Election", it's entirely possible, (if not likely), that at least for some people, that will "imply
" that Ford was elected.
(ping:
Krisgabwoosh) Jmho & Cheers -
wolf
00:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Election cycle
or {{abbr|Election|Election cycle}}
?
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I would like edit access to this because I would like to make a mock presidental timeline in edit mode but I will not publish these changes Flotushistory ( talk) 21:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
The Wikipedia Article List of speakers of the United States House of Representatives includes a brief statement saying the number of speakers from what states. I think that would be something worth including, but I want to see if there is a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viktory02 ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
I want to reorganize the lead and add citations, and add ALT text to images. Since we need to propose the change on the talk page for consensus first, I'm posting it here. –
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10:09, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
No issues here, I'll add citations and ALT text soon. – Kavyansh.Singh ( talk) 16:37, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead ..., but the lead section of this article, perhaps most of the list does not repeat the information already states elsewhere in the article. Also, per MOS:LEADCITE,
The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article.– Kavyansh.Singh ( talk) 05:28, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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Hello! I think the table should be sortable. The issue is that merged cells aren't compatible with sorting. Therefore, I propose that there should be one row for each presidency. Multiple vice presidencies could be placed into the same cell, with term start/end times added. A demonstration of how this would look:
Presidency [a] | Portrait | Name (Birth–Death) |
Party [b] | Election | Vice President | ||
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1 | April 30, 1789 – March 4, 1797 |
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George Washington (1732–1799) |
Unaffiliated |
1788–89 1792 |
John Adams [c] | |
3 | March 4, 1801 – March 4, 1809 |
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Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826) |
Democratic- Republican |
1800 1804 |
Aaron Burr George Clinton | |
4 | March 4, 1809 – March 4, 1817 |
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James Madison (1751–1836) |
Democratic- Republican |
1808 1812 |
George Clinton
[d] Vacant (after Apr. 20, 1812) Elbridge Gerry [d] Vacant (after Nov. 23, 1814) | |
6 | March 4, 1825 – March 4, 1829 |
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John Quincy Adams (1767–1848) |
Democratic-Republican
[e] National Republican |
1824 | John C. Calhoun [f] [g] |
notes
|
---|
Notes
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What do you think? Tol ( talk | contribs) @ 21:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
On a side note. @ Tol: in future, would you bring all your proposals to the talkpage & seek consensus here, rather then boldly make changes? It would save a lot of reverting. GoodDay ( talk) 01:41, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
The table should sort correctly now. I don't see what would be contentious about this. Reywas92 Talk 19:20, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Wait, since when are merged cells not compatible with sorting? Try sorting List of governors of Alabama, it works fine. It leads to some repeated cells when a merge had to be split, but that's a minor edge case that you're chasing. The benefits of the merged cells vastly outweighs the cost of an ugly sort; it still sorts. -- Golbez ( talk) 23:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Side note: If anyone proposes giving each president's & vice president's name (here & at the veep list article) a different colour? I'll cry. GoodDay ( talk) 23:50, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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Hello @ GoodDay and @ Thewolfchild. I'd like to explain my recent edits:
scope="col"
specifies that it's a header for the column, not for the row.Could you please explain why you reverted them? Thanks, Tol ( talk | contribs) @ 03:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
template in the table, and have given appropriate explanation in the edit summary, so I don't think that has to be reverted. –
Kavyansh.Singh (
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04:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
As mentioned in the (above) discussion. Open up an RFC covering all list of American official articles. Attempting to force in such changes in this article or related articles, isn't the way to do it. GoodDay ( talk) 19:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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I think these tables look much better with the image and name on the far left – the person is the most important and should be listed first, then dates after that. Virtually every other list of presidents, prime ministers, etc. has the portrait and name on the left of the table, with term of office to the right. The term is also complimentary to the election year, so it would make sense to have those closer or adjacent to each other too. Reywas92 Talk 19:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
FWIW, can we also remember that there's the List of vice presidents of the United States article? If any changes are made to this article, then they should also be made to the other article. GoodDay ( talk) 20:21, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Accessibility is required. Making the table accessible does, however, reveal a failure of the article, in that now the row scoped cell is a name and a range of years. This betrays the fact that that cell should not be containing two different datapoints. Notwithstanding my opinion that we don't need the lifespan in this article, it's just bad form in terms of accessibility and presentation. I'll take this opportunity to again propose removing the lifespan. -- Golbez ( talk) 20:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Although, one of the citations in the table is this one. If you then procede to click on Washington, you will find that it says he was unanimously voted president. Personally, I think this is good enough to claim it is verfifed. If you disagree, you are more than welcome to add an in-line citation to that explicit page. SSSB ( talk) 09:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
There's a lot of lists within this bar ↓
that requires deletions. GoodDay ( talk) 19:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
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Hello! I've been drafting an RfC in my sandbox, and I plan to start it in the next few days. Currently, it covers three topics: sortability, scope metadata, and column order. Please let me know (or edit the draft itself) if you would like to change anything or add another topic to cover. Tol ( talk | contribs) @ 19:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Will the proposed-RFC, also cover the List of vice presidents of the United States article? GoodDay ( talk) 16:43, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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I assume, you'll be including the option of not changing anything (i.e. status quo) in the two articles? Can't have all the options being pro-change, otherwise it'll look biased. GoodDay ( talk) 00:27, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
@ RookieInTheWiki: would you please stop edit-warring your proposed changes into the article. This article & List of vice presidents of the United States, just recently went through an RFC, which resulted in both article's current layout. GoodDay ( talk) 14:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Question, why do you believe that adding time in office colum is a bad idea?-- 176.58.195.68 ( talk) 08:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC) The question above was by me. Sorry forgot to log in before posting it.-- RookieInTheWiki ( talk) 08:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
With all due respect we should keep the image of him when he was president. Not change it to the older version of him, long after he left the White House. GoodDay ( talk) 23:40, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Sure, I say go for it. Thanks - wolf 06:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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Q2 is mainly referencing the myth that Atchison was acting president. But what about HW and Cheney? I think there should be a note next to their names in the VP column saying they acted as president. Example:
Presidency [a] | President | Party [b] | Election | Vice President | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
40 | January 20, 1981 – January 20, 1989 |
![]() |
Ronald Reagan | Republican | 1980 | George H. W. Bush [c] | |
1984 | |||||||
43 | January 20, 2001 – January 20, 2009 |
![]() |
George W. Bush | Republican | 2000 | Dick Cheney [d] | |
2004 |
-- eduardog3000 ( talk) 19:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
As has been seen in the edit history the past few days, there is some disagreement over Obama's portrait.
Currently, his first term photo is on the page. This is inconsistent with most of the other photos on the page which are using the photos found on the official White House website (Here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/), which to my knowledge use second-term portraits when available.
I know concerns have been brought up that Obama's second term portrait is too far back and unlike the other images, which are all closely cropped headshots, but this can easily be fixed with cropping.
Can someone point me to a consensus to use Obama's first term portrait, if there is one? Also, what is the required steps to challenge a consensus? Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 04:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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04:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit yet but can someone please remove Incumbent from Joe Biden's listing as our 46th President? Thank you. Dramaced ( talk) 16:56, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Because Joe Biden is the current president now, why don't we have this as his new portrait [1]-- Greencarrots98 ( talk) 22:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)Greencarrots98
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Mdewman6 (
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01:45, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
The peer review has now been archived at Wikipedia:Peer review/List of presidents of the United States/archive1. The suggestions all pertain to the lead. I'm not willing to take it on by myself, but I'd very much suggest that the articles' top contributors put it forward at WP:FLC after applying the tweaks (I'd be willing to co-nom). It won't take much work to get this in passing shape, and it's low-hanging fruit for anyone who wants a WP:Million award. {{u| Sdkb}} talk 18:10, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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02:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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03:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Currently the article uses the Stuart portrait of John Adams:
However, the official portrait is the Trumbell portrait:
Can we get a consensus on updating the Adams portrait?
Thurgoodmarshallisbae ( talk) 23:00, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
I want the one where he's doing his high school senior pose!"
On the list there is a glitch where the second you scroll down to the 44th president all of the pictures disappear. Not sure why or how this is happening but it is happening. UnderTails63 ( talk) 23:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
– I did not detect a glitch in the table.
Drdpw (
talk)
00:32, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I am also experiencing the same issue with presidential pictures disappearing alter scrolling to the end of the list. Worth noting this only happens on my iPhone (Browser: safari / IPhone 11pro updated to latest software). However I did not experience this on my I-pad w/ Safari Herenow44 ( talk) 04:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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I opened a talk section about the Obama portrait but saw no discussion, so I'm opening an RfC.
All of the portraits listed on this page seem to follow the portraits listed on the official White House presidents list, which is most often the second-term portrait of Presidents who have served a second term (here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/presidents/)
Obama's portrait is an exception, his first-term portrait from 2009 is used in the article despite a second-term portrait existing and being used on the White House site and despite all of the presidents around him using their more recent portraits.
Question: Which of these photos should be used for Barack Obama's portrait on this article?
Personally I think Option C is suitable. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 06:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
The portrait of Quincy Adams currently being used was created roughly 15 years (likely more) after his presidency:
I suggest we use a portrait of him that was likely created during his presidency instead:
Van Buren also has a portrait created long after his presidency, around 20 years:
We should use this painting of him instead, since it was also likely created during his presidency:
PJRoRo ( talk) 17:08, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Quick question, why is Reagan's lead image his first term official portrait vs his second term official portrait? For Bush and Obama, their lead images are their second term's official portraits. Just wondering. I've placed Reagan's second term portrait for visual reference. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 19:52, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
How do we decide when to make the titular names of the Presidents include their middle name, their middle initial or no middle name at all? Can the names given be trusted to reflect the most common names of these Presidents? I'm working on something where I need the most idiomatic names of the presidents and want to use this a reference, but I'm leery about whether some of the names (such as Harry S. Truman instead of Harry Truman, William Howard Taft instead of William Taft) are accurate for this purpose. 24.59.152.85 ( talk) 14:51, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
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There were two parties before the 1st Congress. The Federalists and Anti-Federalists. After the articles of confederation proved to be lacking a central authority, the above mentioned parties began forming a new United States so that each state would have equal opportunity to pursue their interests while retaining sovereignty.
Source: literally any textbook. 2600:8801:2A8F:2700:8990:5602:2DEC:30E9 ( talk) 07:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I suggest adding this "table TOC", a compact list indexing the table. Lots of readers probably just want the actual list of presidents without scrolling through a long table, 12 screens on my desktop. Or they only want to see a few entries like the recent ones, 10+ screens down. The table is 70 times longer than the list on my screen. I added the list but was reverted by Drdpw. PrimeHunter ( talk) 22:41, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
I suggest adding the president's birth and death under their name like this revision. This is done in most lists of countries' heads of states or governments such as List of prime ministers of Canada, List of presidents of Russia and List of chancellors of Germany, among others. I feel that this list is too bland compared to other lists of countries' leaders. Cyrobyte ( talk) 16:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
@
Drdpw:
this note (or a variation of) seems like it might a worthwhile addition. Considering the column header is simply: "Election", it's entirely possible, (if not likely), that at least for some people, that will "imply
" that Ford was elected.
(ping:
Krisgabwoosh) Jmho & Cheers -
wolf
00:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Election cycle
or {{abbr|Election|Election cycle}}
?
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I would like edit access to this because I would like to make a mock presidental timeline in edit mode but I will not publish these changes Flotushistory ( talk) 21:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
The Wikipedia Article List of speakers of the United States House of Representatives includes a brief statement saying the number of speakers from what states. I think that would be something worth including, but I want to see if there is a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viktory02 ( talk • contribs) 00:03, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
I want to reorganize the lead and add citations, and add ALT text to images. Since we need to propose the change on the talk page for consensus first, I'm posting it here. –
Kavyansh.Singh (
talk)
10:09, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
No issues here, I'll add citations and ALT text soon. – Kavyansh.Singh ( talk) 16:37, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead ..., but the lead section of this article, perhaps most of the list does not repeat the information already states elsewhere in the article. Also, per MOS:LEADCITE,
The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article.– Kavyansh.Singh ( talk) 05:28, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello! I think the table should be sortable. The issue is that merged cells aren't compatible with sorting. Therefore, I propose that there should be one row for each presidency. Multiple vice presidencies could be placed into the same cell, with term start/end times added. A demonstration of how this would look:
Presidency [a] | Portrait | Name (Birth–Death) |
Party [b] | Election | Vice President | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | April 30, 1789 – March 4, 1797 |
![]() |
George Washington (1732–1799) |
Unaffiliated |
1788–89 1792 |
John Adams [c] | |
3 | March 4, 1801 – March 4, 1809 |
![]() |
Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826) |
Democratic- Republican |
1800 1804 |
Aaron Burr George Clinton | |
4 | March 4, 1809 – March 4, 1817 |
![]() |
James Madison (1751–1836) |
Democratic- Republican |
1808 1812 |
George Clinton
[d] Vacant (after Apr. 20, 1812) Elbridge Gerry [d] Vacant (after Nov. 23, 1814) | |
6 | March 4, 1825 – March 4, 1829 |
![]() |
John Quincy Adams (1767–1848) |
Democratic-Republican
[e] National Republican |
1824 | John C. Calhoun [f] [g] |
notes
|
---|
Notes
|
What do you think? Tol ( talk | contribs) @ 21:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
On a side note. @ Tol: in future, would you bring all your proposals to the talkpage & seek consensus here, rather then boldly make changes? It would save a lot of reverting. GoodDay ( talk) 01:41, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
The table should sort correctly now. I don't see what would be contentious about this. Reywas92 Talk 19:20, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Wait, since when are merged cells not compatible with sorting? Try sorting List of governors of Alabama, it works fine. It leads to some repeated cells when a merge had to be split, but that's a minor edge case that you're chasing. The benefits of the merged cells vastly outweighs the cost of an ugly sort; it still sorts. -- Golbez ( talk) 23:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Side note: If anyone proposes giving each president's & vice president's name (here & at the veep list article) a different colour? I'll cry. GoodDay ( talk) 23:50, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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Hello @ GoodDay and @ Thewolfchild. I'd like to explain my recent edits:
scope="col"
specifies that it's a header for the column, not for the row.Could you please explain why you reverted them? Thanks, Tol ( talk | contribs) @ 03:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
template in the table, and have given appropriate explanation in the edit summary, so I don't think that has to be reverted. –
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As mentioned in the (above) discussion. Open up an RFC covering all list of American official articles. Attempting to force in such changes in this article or related articles, isn't the way to do it. GoodDay ( talk) 19:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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I think these tables look much better with the image and name on the far left – the person is the most important and should be listed first, then dates after that. Virtually every other list of presidents, prime ministers, etc. has the portrait and name on the left of the table, with term of office to the right. The term is also complimentary to the election year, so it would make sense to have those closer or adjacent to each other too. Reywas92 Talk 19:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
FWIW, can we also remember that there's the List of vice presidents of the United States article? If any changes are made to this article, then they should also be made to the other article. GoodDay ( talk) 20:21, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Accessibility is required. Making the table accessible does, however, reveal a failure of the article, in that now the row scoped cell is a name and a range of years. This betrays the fact that that cell should not be containing two different datapoints. Notwithstanding my opinion that we don't need the lifespan in this article, it's just bad form in terms of accessibility and presentation. I'll take this opportunity to again propose removing the lifespan. -- Golbez ( talk) 20:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Although, one of the citations in the table is this one. If you then procede to click on Washington, you will find that it says he was unanimously voted president. Personally, I think this is good enough to claim it is verfifed. If you disagree, you are more than welcome to add an in-line citation to that explicit page. SSSB ( talk) 09:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
There's a lot of lists within this bar ↓
that requires deletions. GoodDay ( talk) 19:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
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Hello! I've been drafting an RfC in my sandbox, and I plan to start it in the next few days. Currently, it covers three topics: sortability, scope metadata, and column order. Please let me know (or edit the draft itself) if you would like to change anything or add another topic to cover. Tol ( talk | contribs) @ 19:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Will the proposed-RFC, also cover the List of vice presidents of the United States article? GoodDay ( talk) 16:43, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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I assume, you'll be including the option of not changing anything (i.e. status quo) in the two articles? Can't have all the options being pro-change, otherwise it'll look biased. GoodDay ( talk) 00:27, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
@ RookieInTheWiki: would you please stop edit-warring your proposed changes into the article. This article & List of vice presidents of the United States, just recently went through an RFC, which resulted in both article's current layout. GoodDay ( talk) 14:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Question, why do you believe that adding time in office colum is a bad idea?-- 176.58.195.68 ( talk) 08:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC) The question above was by me. Sorry forgot to log in before posting it.-- RookieInTheWiki ( talk) 08:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
With all due respect we should keep the image of him when he was president. Not change it to the older version of him, long after he left the White House. GoodDay ( talk) 23:40, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Sure, I say go for it. Thanks - wolf 06:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)