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The article introduction says that Donald Trump became known for "using nicknames to criticize foreign leaders, media figures, and politicians." It goes on further by saying that "his use of derogatory nicknames has been characterized as bullying by various media outlets."
While these facts are not disputed, readers may reasonably assume that all nicknames included in the article are derrogatory in nature due to this description. However, the article also includes nicknames which were not used in either a critical or derogatory manner, such as "Big Luther" and "Justin from Canada". The article does not make any kind of distinction between friendly/casual monickers and critical/derogatory nicknames.
The article should be improved to address this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.103.171.150 ( talk) 03:47, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
An editor ( using good faith judgement) deleted nicknames that Trump denied using. In my humble opinion, that's a violation of Wikipedia's Neutral point of view policy. Trump denial does not equate faith. In my opinion, the proper way to deal with Trump's denial of a use of a nickname that WP:RS reported that he has used is to report both the use of the nickname, along with a comment that Trump denied using the nickname. This would allow readers to make their own judgement. The only exception would be if the WP:RS issued a retraction or a correction. I think that should be the only reason to remove a nickname that Trump reportedly used. BarbadosKen ( talk) 22:07, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I recently removed two additions from the list as they did not appear to be actual nicknames. However, they were restored, along with two new sources, neither of which actually specifies them to be nicknames. They just seem like insults to me rather than nicknames, but we should go by what sources say. Are there any sources which consider these to be nicknames? My unsuccessful search for such sources leads me to believe that nobody thinks of them that way.
This seems like it could just be a succinct description of Penn as a "goofball" and an "atheist", and neither word is capitalized, as they would be if it were a nickname. If Trump did mean it as a nickname, then there should be a source out there that confirms this to be the case. However, I have found no sources which consider this to be a nickname. If sources do not label it as a nickname, how can we? Several sources mention "goofball atheist Penn" ( [1], [2], [3]) but they do not specify it as being a nickname, and some ( [4], [5], [6]) mention it as being among Trump's many insults.
Specifically, Trump wrote that Maggie Haberman is "known as a Crooked H flunkie". The wording makes me think that this is not actually a nickname for her but rather just him saying what he thinks she is. The source in this case also does not specify this as a nickname, and I could not find any sources which do. As with "goofball atheist Penn", several sources (
[7],
[8],
[9],
[10]) reported on this "flunkie" comment but none labeled it as a nickname.
Another source specifically states, The president described Haberman as a "third rate reporter" and a "Crooked H flunkie,"
which supports my belief that this was merely a description of Haberman and not an actual nickname.
AJFU (
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16:54, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
The New York Times and a third rate reporter named Maggie Haberman, known as a Crooked H flunkie who I don't speak to and have nothing to do with, are going out of their way to destroy Michael Cohen and his relationship with me in the hope that he will "flip.". Hence why I am confused, as this seems like an "X is Y" ("Haberman is a flunkie") situation rather than "just Y to refer to X" (because he didn't just use "flunkie" to refer to Haberman). AJFU ( talk) 18:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I mean, its very humorous but why tho? 69.123.236.168 ( talk) 01:54, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Trump recently called Stephen Colbert "The guy on CBS", but I believe this could be classified as a legitimate pronoun, rather than a nickname. However, with Trump, the lines are often blurred. Here is a Newsweek reference to the incident. For one thing, Colbert responded by pretending that the nickname / pronoun was intended for James Corden before acknowledging that it was a reference to himself. BarbadosKen ( talk) 16:18, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Luther Strange has been known as "Big Luther" here in Alabama since his time in politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thbeane ( talk • contribs) 20:42, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Here is the tweet from Trump: "Martha McSally, running in the Arizona Primary for U.S. Senate, was endorsed by rejected Senator Jeff Flake". To me, that sounds like a nickname. This certainly sounds like a nickname for Jeff Flake. BarbadosKen ( talk) 18:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved per consensus below. Kraose ( talk) 07:36, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
List of nicknames used by Donald Trump → List of insults and degrading nicknames used by Donald Trump – It seems that the purpose of this list is to put in one place all the insulting nicknames that Trump has used against his political opponents. The current name for the article does not allow listing cases in which Trump simply insults people. For example, Trump has referred to Stephen Colbert as a "lowlife". However, because the quote Trump used was “The guy on CBS, what a lowlife”, what gets captured in the list is "the guy on CBS" rather than the essence of what Trump said. On the flip side, the current article name encourages listing Trump as having used the nickname "Honest Abe" for Abraham Lincoln, which does not fit the majority of the list, as the nickname is not used in a derogatory fashion. BarbadosKen ( talk) 20:52, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
How does something trivial meet the notability standards? Wikipedia's turning into a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.139.114 ( talk) 23:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Some day this will be in the history books. Whoever keeps this updated, you are a hero sir or madam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.197.225.166 ( talk) 19:27, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
If I don't remember wrongly, Trump once called Hillary "Obama-like". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.147.124.116 ( talk) 15:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
About 1/4 of these examples are just their actual full names with an adjective attached. In some cases, this would be a nickname, but in others, it would not; it depends on whether the adjective was intended to be part of the person's name or not. Should the list be trimmed? HotdogPi 20:09, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
With Columns 2 and 3 of the table about Trump's nicknames for himself in this version being completely superfluous and conveying no relevant information, it seems to me that it would be better to present those nicknames in a list fashion as in this version. The reason given for having a table form that consistency with other sections aids in readability seems dubious to me. To me, having a table with irrelevant information reduces the professionalism of the work. GoLatvia ( talk) 17:28, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
It is my opinion that "Nancy" should be in the list of nicknames for Nancy Pelosi. While "Nancy" is not a nickname for "Nancy" per se, the context in which Trump called her "Nancy" I believe qualifies it as a nickname, and indeed has been reported by others as a "low-effort" nickname: "'Nancy Pelosi, or Nancy, as I call her, doesn't want to hear the truth,' said Trump, in comments reported by CNN's Ryan Struyk."
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/pelosi-trump-state-of-the-union-nickname-fight-13556253.php
https://jimheath.tv/2019/01/social-media-roasts-trumps-new-nickname-of-speaker-pelosi-nancy/
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/01/25/nancy-pelosi-twitter-nickname-trump-jeanne-moos-ebof-pkg-vpx.cnn
What do others here think? Mbruno222 ( talk) 18:43, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
"Nancy" is not a nickname for "Nancy" per se. Just because Trump tried to portray it as a nickname does not make it a nickname. Banana Republic ( talk) 03:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Does "Honest Abe" really belong in this article? It's a common, widespread, historic nickname that is far from being unique to it's usage by Trump, and certainly he can make no claim to coining it. Just seems out of place to me. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 08:22, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Most editors prefer the current name, which is consistent with List of nicknames used by George W. Bush. ( non-admin closure) — Newslinger talk 06:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
List of nicknames used by Donald Trump →
List of diminutive nicknames used by Donald Trump – A similar proposal was made last October, and rejected for reasons of
WP:CONCISE and
WP:NPOV. I believe this proposal addresses both concerns. The proposal adds only one new word to the article's title, and I found at least 3 references using the words "diminutive nicknames" (
Reference 1,
Reference 2, and
Reference 3). It is pretty clear that Trump has a purpose of using the nicknames, so nicknames used for other reasons should not be included.
Several editors have tried to remove "honest Abe" from the list because the nickname is not original to Trump. While I don't think that's the reason to remove the nickname, I agree that the nickname does not really belong in the list because it's not designed to be insulting belittle like the majority of the nicknames on the list. However, the way the article is currently named does require that this nickname be listed for the sake of completeness.
The way the article is currently titled, if he calls his son,
Donald Trump, Jr., "Don" that could be listed. It would also be legitimate to list "Chuck" for
Charles Schumer, "Mike" for
Michael Pence and
Michael Pompeo, and "Steve" for
Steven Mnuchin. I would think that most editors would agree that use of such common nicknames should not be on the list.
Banana Republic (
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15:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Trump has insulted Rosie O'Donnell with a long list of adjectives: fat, ugly, disgusting, "rude, crude, and not smart," etc.. I can't find a specific conjoined use, as a nickname, of "Fat Rosie" or "Ugly Rosie". Here is a link to a New York Times article NYT, Sept 28, 2016, "Donald Trump Keeps Insulting Rosie O’Donnell...". Does Rosie O'Donnell deserve at least some mention on the main page? AdderUser ( talk) 02:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't believe that Trump describing Tillerson as "dumb as a rock" constitutes a nickname, unless there is some specific context in which the phrase that has been used by Trump that I've missed. Shimunogora ( talk) 01:43, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Banana Republic: "I disagree with you" is hardly a valid reason to revert. Do you have an explanation? wumbolo ^^^ 12:34, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources.
I believe there should be a new section that lists Trump's nicknames for specific groups of people (not to be confused with official organizations). These could include "AOC Plus 3"/"The Squad" (AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley), "Chuck & Nancy" (Chuch Schumer & Nancy Pelosi), and the "13/17 Angry Democrats" that are already listed under "other". One argument against adding a section like this is that many of the people in these groups have already been named elsewhere in the article. On the other hand, these "branded nicknames" are used in a similar manner as his nicknames for individuals. Thoughts? Sk5893 ( talk) 21:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Trump wasn't the first to use this nickname. Many Californians have been using the name for many years before Trump entered politics. In the wikipedia page for Jerry Brown, there is a footnote to an LA Times article (link no longer works) dated April 23, 1979 referencing him as "Moonbeam". Therefore, I wouldn't attribute it to Trump. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris edits ( talk • contribs) 19:55, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to propose the following changes:
—
Eyer (If you
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20:23, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
"Richard Nixon was President of the United States". I cannot see how adding the number in front of the job title to say that he was the 37th President of the United States would change the capitalization of the job title.
A lot of this stuff strays off topic - like listing of instances where Trump simply mangled someone's name. That's not a "nickname" that's just mangling someone's name. Volunteer Marek 06:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
The whole section is out of scope - these aren't nicknames just random stuff he said. Lots of this crap is sourced to twitter or the like. No effort has been made to establish notability. WP:NOTNEWS applies. Volunteer Marek 06:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Can you define what "Out of scope" means? Are you saying that only people can have nicknames and he cannot use nicknames to label criticism of himself or the main stream media? Banana Republic ( talk) 17:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
random shitthat he wants. There is nothing to preclude including those nicknames in the list. The intro sentence can be expanded to include "and any other topic that Trump wishes to nickname". Nicknames need not be limited to people. Banana Republic ( talk) 05:53, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but this and this just seems to be petty. It's like "you reverted me so I will find something to revert you". If you want to have better wording that's fine, but using examples like "Mike" and "Michael" in the lede is just clumsy, to say the least. Volunteer Marek 02:38, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Can someone who knows how to add nicknames add john barron to "himself"? DonCucos ( talk) 04:40, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
While most of Trump's nicknames are intended to be insulting, the fact that "arrogant young woman" was an insult was not a good reason to
remove the entry from the list. I do agree, however, that "arrogant young woman" does not belong on the list because although Trump did use the words to refer to the woman, which would normally qualify as a nickname, in this particular case he did so not knowing the woman's name (the woman is not notable). Therefore, "young woman" is the verb and "arrogant" is an extra adjective added for emphasis, and not a nickname.
This borderline case does bring into question the naming of the article. There have been two proposals that are now in the talk page archive to rename the article, and both failed miserably.
Banana Republic (
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20:59, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary to include typos, such as "Ex-FBI LAYER Lisa Page," which was originally from a tweet. It might be appropriate for a "Trump's typos" page, but it's not a genuine nickname. I'm sure if Trump were to actually use this nickname, he'd correctly say "lawyer". I also think including "My African American" in reference to Gregory Cheadle is misleading, as Trump appears to have lost his train of thought in that particular video clip. I imagine, had he finished his sentence, he'd have said something like "My African American friend" or "supporter" or "colleague". Just my two cents. Dreamanderson ( talk) 19:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't see why some of these nicknames are on here, for example "Moonbeam" for Gov. Brown and "Honest Abe" for Lincoln. Those (and a few others on the list) are by no means created by Trump, they're just nicknames of those people, which Trump happened to later use. They seem to go against the purpose of the list. I propose that the entries of nicknames commonly used before Trump's usage be removed from the list: "Moonbeam" for Jerry Brown, "Boot-Edge-Edge" for Pete Buttigieg, "Mad Dog" for James Mattis, "Big Luther" for Luther Strange, "The Squad" for Ocasio-Cortex et al., "Democrat Party" for Democratic Party, and "Old Grey Lady" for The New York Times. Hog Farm ( talk) 19:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed a large amount of entries removed with the reason being that they were cited to a tweet. The tweets are the primary source. I personally find them applicable but wanted to get a consensus before adding them back. Sk5893 ( talk) 23:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
The last AfD for this page determined that this list is too long and needs significant trimming. I personally believe a lot of the "nicknames" here are just insults and not actually nicknames. I'm hoping we could potentially get a consensus on some criteria for what's a "nickname" and what's not. My proposed criteria for adding names to this list would be:
Any thoughts? These seem kind of incomplete so I'm looking for feedback. Chess (talk) Ping when replying 10:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
So far nobody has been objecting to my removals, so I'm going to state the criteria I've been using so far as well as their rationales. So far I have what I believe to be some criteria:
I also have a few rules of thumb I'm using when removing nicknames. For example, if Trump refers to someone using an article, such as "the dumbass John Doe" or "John Doe, he's such an idiot" I assume it's not intended as a nickname. Articles are only rarely used with proper nouns (incl nicknames) in the English language and indefinite articles are never used with proper nouns. However this is only a rule of thumb and there are some exceptions, an obvious example being "The Donald", although in that case the article is a part of the proper noun. Additionally I'm removing every nickname of a living person if it's only cited to a tweet, the citation link doesn't work, or when the citation doesn't even mention the nickname. This second rule of thumb is mostly based on WP:BLP which prohibits unsourced contentious information about living persons as well as WP:BLPPRIMARY, not necessarily on the above criteria I've mentioned.
Anyways I'm interested in hearing if anyone has any thoughts or opinions on these criteria. The previous AfD I started closed with a consensus to heavily trim, so I'm working on implementing that. Chess (talk) (please WP:PING when replying) 07:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump should have used the nickname on at least two separate occasions" Strongly agree with this. This list is chock full of one-off insults that aren't really nicknames; Trump retweeting someone calling Hillary Clinton a skank is the latest addition. – Anne drew 01:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
A occasional tweet does not establish a nickname; in any case, BLPs require better sources. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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05:36, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
What happened to the nickname "Sleepy Joe" for Joe Biden? I found this page through this redirection link, but the nickname isn't here anymore. I looked up the history a bit but I couldn't find an edit that removed it recently. Comniemeer ( talk) 22:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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12:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I came across Beijing Biden today in the new pages queue. Based on an internet search, while it's a nickname that's in heavy rotation from pro-Trump PACs and individuals, I wasn't able to quickly identify any instances of Trump himself using it. I'm wondering whether it should be pointed here or whether it's best left pointing at Joe Biden as a non-neutral nickname, despite probably not being due for actual inclusion in that article. signed, Rosguill talk 16:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Used, for instance, on a campaign-related poll on Trump's site: https://imgur.com/a/lXS3Ta0 Cmhawke ( talk) 02:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Is it really important that Donald Trump starred in Home Alone 2 that it’s in the first sentence? I think it would probably be best just to say he is the 45th president of the USA and ignore some random cameo. Icedmorning ( talk) 23:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I think we should cut these down, some read like resumes. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough
11:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC).
Should instances where Trump called a media organization or an individual an "enemy of the people" be added to this list? See Enemy of the people#Donald Trump. feminist (talk) | free Hong Kong 10:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Is a list of insults worth an encyclopedia page? Wolfita ( talk) 03:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Yeah I don’t know why this exists either, but it’s hilarious lmao. “Pakistani mystery man” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.100.192.44 ( talk) 22:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I mean, it is sourced, and manages to make me laugh. So why not? Enjoyer of World 💬 06:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
I have removed a number that are insults, but not nicknames. I have a feeling I've only scratched the surface. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough
23:29, 9 December 2020 (UTC).
I don't see the point of this page, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, recordings politician quote is not purpose of an encyclopedia. Some of it might be added into A section of Donald Trump's page. There is already a lot of books and articles who speaks about the behaviour of Donald trump no need to dedicate a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FA48:6D9F:E3E0:2049:BE08:E4E4:DC4E ( talk) 21:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Is this really encyclopedic? 98.114.153.80 ( talk) 19:13, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Do you support or oppose the following inclusion criteria for this list?
All nicknames added to this list should meet the following criteria
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05:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC)Given the consensus at the above RfC to adopt the nickname guidelines and a lack of objections to the closure of the RfC, I've begun removing nicknames from the list.
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A couple of editors have added this one, so I thought I'd get some input from others. In my opinion, 'Meatball Ron' (sources:
[33],
[34] &
[35] does not meet the
2021 RFC guidelines on inclusion. Specifically, don't think that either Trump should have used the nickname on at least two separate occasions
or There should be lasting coverage of the nickname
are met. The sources report Trump's claims that he will not use the nickname so there is no evidence of multiple uses. All the sources come from February this year, so there is no lasting coverage. What do others think?
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The article title states nicknames “used by Donald Trump”. Listening ones which he denies using would logically imply he’s lying, which is not for Wikipedia to do. Thoughts? Asperthrow ( talk) 18:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Could someone with NYT access check the Cy Young nickname added with this edit meets the 2021 RfC guidelines? I removed the Sarah Huckabee Sanders entry since the source provided didn't refer to it as nickname, but I can't access the source for Young. WJ94 ( talk) 13:53, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
On more minor details, Mr. Wolff’s book has the same hit-or-miss quality. Mr. Trump did refer to one of his lawyers, Ty Cobb, as Cy Young — either deliberately or accidentally using the name of another baseball great for his lawyer’s namesake.Maybe the book that is being reviewed would be a better source, but even then it's rather weak. Chess ( talk) (please
How are we handling brand-new nicknames, for example Phoney Fani? It does not quite meet all of the RfC criteria, but since Trump just rolled it out, should we wait a little and see if it sticks? Zaathras ( talk) 13:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Topic. No more elaboration needed... 58.172.156.13 ( talk) 22:43, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Where is "Texas Ted". Trump stopped calling him Lyin' Ted when Cruz endorsed him for the 2016 bid and switched it to Texas Ted. I'd update it but I don't know how. 184.146.116.118 ( talk) 23:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
I know it’s vulgar, but it probably belongs in the list of Schiff nicknames too. See [36]. It’s highly unlikely to have been a mere typo. 2600:1014:B077:312A:30E6:D887:418:4731 ( talk) 03:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit when all these fancy tables and stuff are there but someone has to add it Cthuluwu ( talk) 18:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
"The Stiff" and "Zero Percent" in reference to Governor Jay Inslee not knowing of the Chop Chaz Autonomous Zone in Seattle.
"Child of Love" for Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan who deemed Chop-Chaz to be a "Summer of Love" 97.126.112.105 ( talk) 17:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
The article introduction says that Donald Trump became known for "using nicknames to criticize foreign leaders, media figures, and politicians." It goes on further by saying that "his use of derogatory nicknames has been characterized as bullying by various media outlets."
While these facts are not disputed, readers may reasonably assume that all nicknames included in the article are derrogatory in nature due to this description. However, the article also includes nicknames which were not used in either a critical or derogatory manner, such as "Big Luther" and "Justin from Canada". The article does not make any kind of distinction between friendly/casual monickers and critical/derogatory nicknames.
The article should be improved to address this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.103.171.150 ( talk) 03:47, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
An editor ( using good faith judgement) deleted nicknames that Trump denied using. In my humble opinion, that's a violation of Wikipedia's Neutral point of view policy. Trump denial does not equate faith. In my opinion, the proper way to deal with Trump's denial of a use of a nickname that WP:RS reported that he has used is to report both the use of the nickname, along with a comment that Trump denied using the nickname. This would allow readers to make their own judgement. The only exception would be if the WP:RS issued a retraction or a correction. I think that should be the only reason to remove a nickname that Trump reportedly used. BarbadosKen ( talk) 22:07, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I recently removed two additions from the list as they did not appear to be actual nicknames. However, they were restored, along with two new sources, neither of which actually specifies them to be nicknames. They just seem like insults to me rather than nicknames, but we should go by what sources say. Are there any sources which consider these to be nicknames? My unsuccessful search for such sources leads me to believe that nobody thinks of them that way.
This seems like it could just be a succinct description of Penn as a "goofball" and an "atheist", and neither word is capitalized, as they would be if it were a nickname. If Trump did mean it as a nickname, then there should be a source out there that confirms this to be the case. However, I have found no sources which consider this to be a nickname. If sources do not label it as a nickname, how can we? Several sources mention "goofball atheist Penn" ( [1], [2], [3]) but they do not specify it as being a nickname, and some ( [4], [5], [6]) mention it as being among Trump's many insults.
Specifically, Trump wrote that Maggie Haberman is "known as a Crooked H flunkie". The wording makes me think that this is not actually a nickname for her but rather just him saying what he thinks she is. The source in this case also does not specify this as a nickname, and I could not find any sources which do. As with "goofball atheist Penn", several sources (
[7],
[8],
[9],
[10]) reported on this "flunkie" comment but none labeled it as a nickname.
Another source specifically states, The president described Haberman as a "third rate reporter" and a "Crooked H flunkie,"
which supports my belief that this was merely a description of Haberman and not an actual nickname.
AJFU (
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16:54, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
The New York Times and a third rate reporter named Maggie Haberman, known as a Crooked H flunkie who I don't speak to and have nothing to do with, are going out of their way to destroy Michael Cohen and his relationship with me in the hope that he will "flip.". Hence why I am confused, as this seems like an "X is Y" ("Haberman is a flunkie") situation rather than "just Y to refer to X" (because he didn't just use "flunkie" to refer to Haberman). AJFU ( talk) 18:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I mean, its very humorous but why tho? 69.123.236.168 ( talk) 01:54, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Trump recently called Stephen Colbert "The guy on CBS", but I believe this could be classified as a legitimate pronoun, rather than a nickname. However, with Trump, the lines are often blurred. Here is a Newsweek reference to the incident. For one thing, Colbert responded by pretending that the nickname / pronoun was intended for James Corden before acknowledging that it was a reference to himself. BarbadosKen ( talk) 16:18, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Luther Strange has been known as "Big Luther" here in Alabama since his time in politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thbeane ( talk • contribs) 20:42, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Here is the tweet from Trump: "Martha McSally, running in the Arizona Primary for U.S. Senate, was endorsed by rejected Senator Jeff Flake". To me, that sounds like a nickname. This certainly sounds like a nickname for Jeff Flake. BarbadosKen ( talk) 18:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved per consensus below. Kraose ( talk) 07:36, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
List of nicknames used by Donald Trump → List of insults and degrading nicknames used by Donald Trump – It seems that the purpose of this list is to put in one place all the insulting nicknames that Trump has used against his political opponents. The current name for the article does not allow listing cases in which Trump simply insults people. For example, Trump has referred to Stephen Colbert as a "lowlife". However, because the quote Trump used was “The guy on CBS, what a lowlife”, what gets captured in the list is "the guy on CBS" rather than the essence of what Trump said. On the flip side, the current article name encourages listing Trump as having used the nickname "Honest Abe" for Abraham Lincoln, which does not fit the majority of the list, as the nickname is not used in a derogatory fashion. BarbadosKen ( talk) 20:52, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
How does something trivial meet the notability standards? Wikipedia's turning into a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.139.114 ( talk) 23:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Some day this will be in the history books. Whoever keeps this updated, you are a hero sir or madam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.197.225.166 ( talk) 19:27, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
If I don't remember wrongly, Trump once called Hillary "Obama-like". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.147.124.116 ( talk) 15:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
About 1/4 of these examples are just their actual full names with an adjective attached. In some cases, this would be a nickname, but in others, it would not; it depends on whether the adjective was intended to be part of the person's name or not. Should the list be trimmed? HotdogPi 20:09, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
With Columns 2 and 3 of the table about Trump's nicknames for himself in this version being completely superfluous and conveying no relevant information, it seems to me that it would be better to present those nicknames in a list fashion as in this version. The reason given for having a table form that consistency with other sections aids in readability seems dubious to me. To me, having a table with irrelevant information reduces the professionalism of the work. GoLatvia ( talk) 17:28, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
It is my opinion that "Nancy" should be in the list of nicknames for Nancy Pelosi. While "Nancy" is not a nickname for "Nancy" per se, the context in which Trump called her "Nancy" I believe qualifies it as a nickname, and indeed has been reported by others as a "low-effort" nickname: "'Nancy Pelosi, or Nancy, as I call her, doesn't want to hear the truth,' said Trump, in comments reported by CNN's Ryan Struyk."
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/pelosi-trump-state-of-the-union-nickname-fight-13556253.php
https://jimheath.tv/2019/01/social-media-roasts-trumps-new-nickname-of-speaker-pelosi-nancy/
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/01/25/nancy-pelosi-twitter-nickname-trump-jeanne-moos-ebof-pkg-vpx.cnn
What do others here think? Mbruno222 ( talk) 18:43, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
"Nancy" is not a nickname for "Nancy" per se. Just because Trump tried to portray it as a nickname does not make it a nickname. Banana Republic ( talk) 03:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Does "Honest Abe" really belong in this article? It's a common, widespread, historic nickname that is far from being unique to it's usage by Trump, and certainly he can make no claim to coining it. Just seems out of place to me. ShelbyMarion ( talk) 08:22, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Most editors prefer the current name, which is consistent with List of nicknames used by George W. Bush. ( non-admin closure) — Newslinger talk 06:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
List of nicknames used by Donald Trump →
List of diminutive nicknames used by Donald Trump – A similar proposal was made last October, and rejected for reasons of
WP:CONCISE and
WP:NPOV. I believe this proposal addresses both concerns. The proposal adds only one new word to the article's title, and I found at least 3 references using the words "diminutive nicknames" (
Reference 1,
Reference 2, and
Reference 3). It is pretty clear that Trump has a purpose of using the nicknames, so nicknames used for other reasons should not be included.
Several editors have tried to remove "honest Abe" from the list because the nickname is not original to Trump. While I don't think that's the reason to remove the nickname, I agree that the nickname does not really belong in the list because it's not designed to be insulting belittle like the majority of the nicknames on the list. However, the way the article is currently named does require that this nickname be listed for the sake of completeness.
The way the article is currently titled, if he calls his son,
Donald Trump, Jr., "Don" that could be listed. It would also be legitimate to list "Chuck" for
Charles Schumer, "Mike" for
Michael Pence and
Michael Pompeo, and "Steve" for
Steven Mnuchin. I would think that most editors would agree that use of such common nicknames should not be on the list.
Banana Republic (
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15:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Trump has insulted Rosie O'Donnell with a long list of adjectives: fat, ugly, disgusting, "rude, crude, and not smart," etc.. I can't find a specific conjoined use, as a nickname, of "Fat Rosie" or "Ugly Rosie". Here is a link to a New York Times article NYT, Sept 28, 2016, "Donald Trump Keeps Insulting Rosie O’Donnell...". Does Rosie O'Donnell deserve at least some mention on the main page? AdderUser ( talk) 02:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I don't believe that Trump describing Tillerson as "dumb as a rock" constitutes a nickname, unless there is some specific context in which the phrase that has been used by Trump that I've missed. Shimunogora ( talk) 01:43, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Banana Republic: "I disagree with you" is hardly a valid reason to revert. Do you have an explanation? wumbolo ^^^ 12:34, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources.
I believe there should be a new section that lists Trump's nicknames for specific groups of people (not to be confused with official organizations). These could include "AOC Plus 3"/"The Squad" (AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley), "Chuck & Nancy" (Chuch Schumer & Nancy Pelosi), and the "13/17 Angry Democrats" that are already listed under "other". One argument against adding a section like this is that many of the people in these groups have already been named elsewhere in the article. On the other hand, these "branded nicknames" are used in a similar manner as his nicknames for individuals. Thoughts? Sk5893 ( talk) 21:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Trump wasn't the first to use this nickname. Many Californians have been using the name for many years before Trump entered politics. In the wikipedia page for Jerry Brown, there is a footnote to an LA Times article (link no longer works) dated April 23, 1979 referencing him as "Moonbeam". Therefore, I wouldn't attribute it to Trump. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris edits ( talk • contribs) 19:55, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to propose the following changes:
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"Richard Nixon was President of the United States". I cannot see how adding the number in front of the job title to say that he was the 37th President of the United States would change the capitalization of the job title.
A lot of this stuff strays off topic - like listing of instances where Trump simply mangled someone's name. That's not a "nickname" that's just mangling someone's name. Volunteer Marek 06:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
The whole section is out of scope - these aren't nicknames just random stuff he said. Lots of this crap is sourced to twitter or the like. No effort has been made to establish notability. WP:NOTNEWS applies. Volunteer Marek 06:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Can you define what "Out of scope" means? Are you saying that only people can have nicknames and he cannot use nicknames to label criticism of himself or the main stream media? Banana Republic ( talk) 17:28, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
random shitthat he wants. There is nothing to preclude including those nicknames in the list. The intro sentence can be expanded to include "and any other topic that Trump wishes to nickname". Nicknames need not be limited to people. Banana Republic ( talk) 05:53, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but this and this just seems to be petty. It's like "you reverted me so I will find something to revert you". If you want to have better wording that's fine, but using examples like "Mike" and "Michael" in the lede is just clumsy, to say the least. Volunteer Marek 02:38, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Can someone who knows how to add nicknames add john barron to "himself"? DonCucos ( talk) 04:40, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
While most of Trump's nicknames are intended to be insulting, the fact that "arrogant young woman" was an insult was not a good reason to
remove the entry from the list. I do agree, however, that "arrogant young woman" does not belong on the list because although Trump did use the words to refer to the woman, which would normally qualify as a nickname, in this particular case he did so not knowing the woman's name (the woman is not notable). Therefore, "young woman" is the verb and "arrogant" is an extra adjective added for emphasis, and not a nickname.
This borderline case does bring into question the naming of the article. There have been two proposals that are now in the talk page archive to rename the article, and both failed miserably.
Banana Republic (
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20:59, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary to include typos, such as "Ex-FBI LAYER Lisa Page," which was originally from a tweet. It might be appropriate for a "Trump's typos" page, but it's not a genuine nickname. I'm sure if Trump were to actually use this nickname, he'd correctly say "lawyer". I also think including "My African American" in reference to Gregory Cheadle is misleading, as Trump appears to have lost his train of thought in that particular video clip. I imagine, had he finished his sentence, he'd have said something like "My African American friend" or "supporter" or "colleague". Just my two cents. Dreamanderson ( talk) 19:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't see why some of these nicknames are on here, for example "Moonbeam" for Gov. Brown and "Honest Abe" for Lincoln. Those (and a few others on the list) are by no means created by Trump, they're just nicknames of those people, which Trump happened to later use. They seem to go against the purpose of the list. I propose that the entries of nicknames commonly used before Trump's usage be removed from the list: "Moonbeam" for Jerry Brown, "Boot-Edge-Edge" for Pete Buttigieg, "Mad Dog" for James Mattis, "Big Luther" for Luther Strange, "The Squad" for Ocasio-Cortex et al., "Democrat Party" for Democratic Party, and "Old Grey Lady" for The New York Times. Hog Farm ( talk) 19:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed a large amount of entries removed with the reason being that they were cited to a tweet. The tweets are the primary source. I personally find them applicable but wanted to get a consensus before adding them back. Sk5893 ( talk) 23:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
The last AfD for this page determined that this list is too long and needs significant trimming. I personally believe a lot of the "nicknames" here are just insults and not actually nicknames. I'm hoping we could potentially get a consensus on some criteria for what's a "nickname" and what's not. My proposed criteria for adding names to this list would be:
Any thoughts? These seem kind of incomplete so I'm looking for feedback. Chess (talk) Ping when replying 10:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
So far nobody has been objecting to my removals, so I'm going to state the criteria I've been using so far as well as their rationales. So far I have what I believe to be some criteria:
I also have a few rules of thumb I'm using when removing nicknames. For example, if Trump refers to someone using an article, such as "the dumbass John Doe" or "John Doe, he's such an idiot" I assume it's not intended as a nickname. Articles are only rarely used with proper nouns (incl nicknames) in the English language and indefinite articles are never used with proper nouns. However this is only a rule of thumb and there are some exceptions, an obvious example being "The Donald", although in that case the article is a part of the proper noun. Additionally I'm removing every nickname of a living person if it's only cited to a tweet, the citation link doesn't work, or when the citation doesn't even mention the nickname. This second rule of thumb is mostly based on WP:BLP which prohibits unsourced contentious information about living persons as well as WP:BLPPRIMARY, not necessarily on the above criteria I've mentioned.
Anyways I'm interested in hearing if anyone has any thoughts or opinions on these criteria. The previous AfD I started closed with a consensus to heavily trim, so I'm working on implementing that. Chess (talk) (please WP:PING when replying) 07:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Trump should have used the nickname on at least two separate occasions" Strongly agree with this. This list is chock full of one-off insults that aren't really nicknames; Trump retweeting someone calling Hillary Clinton a skank is the latest addition. – Anne drew 01:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
A occasional tweet does not establish a nickname; in any case, BLPs require better sources. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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What happened to the nickname "Sleepy Joe" for Joe Biden? I found this page through this redirection link, but the nickname isn't here anymore. I looked up the history a bit but I couldn't find an edit that removed it recently. Comniemeer ( talk) 22:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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I came across Beijing Biden today in the new pages queue. Based on an internet search, while it's a nickname that's in heavy rotation from pro-Trump PACs and individuals, I wasn't able to quickly identify any instances of Trump himself using it. I'm wondering whether it should be pointed here or whether it's best left pointing at Joe Biden as a non-neutral nickname, despite probably not being due for actual inclusion in that article. signed, Rosguill talk 16:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Used, for instance, on a campaign-related poll on Trump's site: https://imgur.com/a/lXS3Ta0 Cmhawke ( talk) 02:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Is it really important that Donald Trump starred in Home Alone 2 that it’s in the first sentence? I think it would probably be best just to say he is the 45th president of the USA and ignore some random cameo. Icedmorning ( talk) 23:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
I think we should cut these down, some read like resumes. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough
11:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC).
Should instances where Trump called a media organization or an individual an "enemy of the people" be added to this list? See Enemy of the people#Donald Trump. feminist (talk) | free Hong Kong 10:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Is a list of insults worth an encyclopedia page? Wolfita ( talk) 03:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Yeah I don’t know why this exists either, but it’s hilarious lmao. “Pakistani mystery man” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.100.192.44 ( talk) 22:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I mean, it is sourced, and manages to make me laugh. So why not? Enjoyer of World 💬 06:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
I have removed a number that are insults, but not nicknames. I have a feeling I've only scratched the surface. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough
23:29, 9 December 2020 (UTC).
I don't see the point of this page, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, recordings politician quote is not purpose of an encyclopedia. Some of it might be added into A section of Donald Trump's page. There is already a lot of books and articles who speaks about the behaviour of Donald trump no need to dedicate a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FA48:6D9F:E3E0:2049:BE08:E4E4:DC4E ( talk) 21:11, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Is this really encyclopedic? 98.114.153.80 ( talk) 19:13, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Do you support or oppose the following inclusion criteria for this list?
All nicknames added to this list should meet the following criteria
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05:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC)Given the consensus at the above RfC to adopt the nickname guidelines and a lack of objections to the closure of the RfC, I've begun removing nicknames from the list.
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A couple of editors have added this one, so I thought I'd get some input from others. In my opinion, 'Meatball Ron' (sources:
[33],
[34] &
[35] does not meet the
2021 RFC guidelines on inclusion. Specifically, don't think that either Trump should have used the nickname on at least two separate occasions
or There should be lasting coverage of the nickname
are met. The sources report Trump's claims that he will not use the nickname so there is no evidence of multiple uses. All the sources come from February this year, so there is no lasting coverage. What do others think?
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The article title states nicknames “used by Donald Trump”. Listening ones which he denies using would logically imply he’s lying, which is not for Wikipedia to do. Thoughts? Asperthrow ( talk) 18:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
Could someone with NYT access check the Cy Young nickname added with this edit meets the 2021 RfC guidelines? I removed the Sarah Huckabee Sanders entry since the source provided didn't refer to it as nickname, but I can't access the source for Young. WJ94 ( talk) 13:53, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
On more minor details, Mr. Wolff’s book has the same hit-or-miss quality. Mr. Trump did refer to one of his lawyers, Ty Cobb, as Cy Young — either deliberately or accidentally using the name of another baseball great for his lawyer’s namesake.Maybe the book that is being reviewed would be a better source, but even then it's rather weak. Chess ( talk) (please
How are we handling brand-new nicknames, for example Phoney Fani? It does not quite meet all of the RfC criteria, but since Trump just rolled it out, should we wait a little and see if it sticks? Zaathras ( talk) 13:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Topic. No more elaboration needed... 58.172.156.13 ( talk) 22:43, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Where is "Texas Ted". Trump stopped calling him Lyin' Ted when Cruz endorsed him for the 2016 bid and switched it to Texas Ted. I'd update it but I don't know how. 184.146.116.118 ( talk) 23:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
I know it’s vulgar, but it probably belongs in the list of Schiff nicknames too. See [36]. It’s highly unlikely to have been a mere typo. 2600:1014:B077:312A:30E6:D887:418:4731 ( talk) 03:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit when all these fancy tables and stuff are there but someone has to add it Cthuluwu ( talk) 18:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
"The Stiff" and "Zero Percent" in reference to Governor Jay Inslee not knowing of the Chop Chaz Autonomous Zone in Seattle.
"Child of Love" for Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan who deemed Chop-Chaz to be a "Summer of Love" 97.126.112.105 ( talk) 17:38, 31 December 2023 (UTC)