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This is a first stab at a list of countries by national wealth.
The sorting is based on combined household and government net financial assets per adult. This statistic is more accurate than figures that do not account for debt and do not account for government wealth. As tax rates and the relative size of government differ greatly between countries, not accounting for net government wealth would overestimate net wealth per adult in countries with low tax rates and underestimate it countries with high rates.
For more data to expand the article, see the Credit Suisse source and the link to the World Bank study at the bottom of the page. Koyos ( talk) 15:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
The methodology of the Credit Suisse source is dubious. Read their fudge factors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.122.51 ( talk) 12:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
the national wealth per adult of Nigeria is higher than in Germany or in USA? That can NEVER be true! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.208.0.201 ( talk) 09:07, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
I removed the map because it was badly designed: It only showed Europe, it was hard to read, and it was added as the first section, obscuring the data below it. A map would be an excellent idea, and I welcome the contribution, but it should be done like the map on List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita. George Makepeace ( talk) 11:27, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
The country's rank in the list is assigned according to total wealth, not to wealth per adult. That makes no sense to me. Shouldn't Switzerland have rank 1? etc. -- Maelcum ( talk) 20:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Median and map are the most important.We can delete line with median in table below. Moonsunstar1 ( talk) 08:01, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
A simple illustration showing importance of income for financing consumption. We assume 3% rate for fin wealth which is spent in a given year, and (for NF wealth) we assume 3% of homes sold of which, half are downsized, half of that cash retained, and 20% of that spent in a given year.
Country A (all per adult)
Income: 50,000 NF wealth: 10,000 Fin wealthy: 50,000
50,000 + nil + 1500= 51,500-savings= consumption
Country B:
Income: 30,000 NF wealth: 250,000 Fin wealth: 100,000
30,000+375+3000= 33,375-savings= consumption.
So even a massive difference in wealth in favor of B will only marginally close the distance in terms of consumption. If the difference was purely due to NF assets, as in the middle quintile (where NF assets dominate=home equity), then the boost to consumption for B would be almost trivial. — Preceding
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Median describes not only the net wealth per capita but its distribution too and so the probanbility to have a real wealth person. Mastercard13273 ( talk) 08:22, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
We can agree setting a list with mean wealth and below the one with median one.Also mean wealth must be ordered like median one.We can delete mean and median below. Map is useful.
Mastercard13273 (
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The third table in the article contained all the information from the first two and more, so I removed the first two. The result is a more compact article with all the important information you need right at the top. My edit does not remove any information from the article - it merely deduplicates the content. I've been editing this article for years, so please do not undo my edit without explanation again: If, for some reason, you think we need an extra 2 copies of the same information, explain why you think so here. — George Makepeace ( talk) 16:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
The 1st and 2nd tables are clear.They've clear ranks.Stop to act as a vandal. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 13:35, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Article now it's really ok.
Bostongarden1942 (
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11:19, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
I checked a few countries' data arbitrarily and found the following:
I've only checked a few, so I expect there are numerous more errors.
Unless anyone has any better ideas, I'm planning on retrieving an entirely fresh set of data directly from Credit Suisse tomorrow.
— George Makepeace ( talk) 00:06, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Good job.Now it's ok.Dispute ended.
Bostongarden1942 (
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11:18, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
I was the first to suggest this kind of articles in Wikipedia.I know well the subject.It needs just to correct some numbers, if it needs.Numbers are in Credit Suisse tables .There's little space for fantasy. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 21:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Write me in which data i don't agree, please.Before accusing tell me which ones.Don't invent and don't act like a sheriff.In my places sheriff doesn't exist.Explain me on what is not consensus.In very clear way.I work in Credit Suisse so i know technically the subject better than you all together.It's easy to report all data from bank tables.If you write something dubious about bank i'll have to warn it.Hold template, but correct data immediately (if there are to correct) and remove it soon.It's like a shadow on bank image. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 23:21, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Instead of writing on talk, correct data that you think wrong (if there are).It doesn't take weeks or days and days.Then remove it.The only dispute is to remove that.It refers like Credit Suisse isn't a reliable source.A shadow on bank image.You're taking time and trollying. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 08:36, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The edits in upper part reports Credit Suisse as not a reliable source.This guy seems to use his long lasting accuracy to low the image of bank and article.No good guideline for the site and also outside. It'd be correct to leave him 2 days to correct (small) things he thinks wrong. Then stop, he has all time. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 11:53, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
His acting will talk. 2 days to correct since today are long time. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:01, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
He is at the moment in good feith.We'll see next 2 days.Credit Suisse will publish new data between 1-2 months. It's be better to arrive there in clear way. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:08, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
I updated the reference in the article. See the link for the downloadable data sheets. They may be easier to use than the PDF to create the tables.
I use freeware LibreOffice along with other tools listed here:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 11:56, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
We'll see next 2 days his acting.If no acting it means it isn't so important.We'll see by acting.At the moment he is in good feith. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:06, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Article is all very good.It doesn't need structural changes. I don't realize all this claiming. Read up. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
So correct them.) Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:57, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your help, Timeshifter. I did look at the data tables, but they seem to include less countries than the PDF; in particular, Iceland is missing. Bostongarden1942: Perhaps you could shed some light on that seeing as you work at Credit Suisse? In any case, I am close to done now. I'm sorry for being slow, but I do have other commitments and am trying to create a process that is easily repeatable. — George Makepeace ( talk) 16:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
You did both a good job. Continent table isn't good here and neither in National wealth article. Next hours time to correct in accurate way the table and remove the upper post.Thank you again for the clear and good job. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 19:05, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
See Help:Table and the section on Visual Editor. I have been updating that section today. Learned a few things myself. Useful for easily putting columns in this article here in preferred order.
I want to figure out if it is possible to paste a column of mean wealth data next to the 2 median wealth columns (2016 and 2017) from the XLS file. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:52, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
User:George Makepeace. I left a note at the map author's talk page on the Commons:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:28, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Bostongarden1942 has removed my factual accuracy dispute template for the map 4 times. French Guiana is blatantly wrong on the map, and it's possible that other mistakes have been made as well. It is not acceptable that incorrect information be allowed to exist on Wikipedia without at least a warning. Does anyone have any input before I involve an administrator? — George Makepeace ( talk) 04:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
The map may have the wrong colors for more countries when the next edition of the Global Wealth Report comes out. So we might have to remove the map then until an accurate map is uploaded. That is why it is not good to put a full reference with such a map in articles. It is better to use the short reference in the map caption:
Copied from
George Makepeace comment higher up in another section:
The colored map indicates that French Guiana has median wealth > 102k, yet Credit Suisse has its mean wealth at 48k. It's not feasible for median wealth to be higher than mean wealth.
French Guiana info is on page 22 of the Databook. Since there is no number for median wealth in the Databook anywhere, then there should be no color at all on the map. I did a search for "French Guiana" in the Databook, and did not find any number for median wealth. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 11:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
(unindent). See: Commonwealth realm. A Commonwealth realm is a sovereign state [† 1] in which Queen Elizabeth II is the head of state and reigning constitutional monarch. Each realm is independent from the other realms. As of 2018, there are 16 Commonwealth realms: Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom.
Technically, the queen (via her intermediaries) can withhold Royal assent. So those realms are not completely independent nations. But we do not use UK's numbers for them in country lists.
Also, for US territories, we use their numbers in country lists. Not the USA number. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:01, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Now article is balanced and really accurate.Avoid personal attacks or threatening. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 13:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Just made map. Enjoy Radom1967 ( talk) 02:51, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Also why French Guyana is wrong? French Guyana is part of France Radom1967 ( talk) 03:17, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
I went back to the first map. See my comments at commons:User talk:Radom1967. French Guiana should not be black color as in the second map. See map caption below, too. Map below is the first map where France and French Guiana share the same green color.
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Please do not remove the continents section without discussion. It is common on list pages to expand a little past the main topic of the list page. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:33, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
See the many lists in the navigation box below. Look at many Wikipedia articles. The title is just the main topic. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
For info on how the table was quickly updated see:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 09:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Median derives from mean measure, that is the most important. About tables before must be mean then median. About Europe same. Before must be set table with mean. Now get consensus before setting median before mean. All can be set in the former way, before people changed without broad consensus. MrsIrinaO'Konnell ( talk) 09:03, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Watching history you changed article without broad consensus. Don't try to turn positions. You must find it, not me. I repeat in economy median derives from mean in calculating. Also CS set mean before median.About Europe map you must set mean map too before the median one. You made article very original. Before reverting again find consensus here please. Thank you. Here the CS report that shows in clear way what i write. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrsIrinaO'Konnell ( talk • contribs) 14:19, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
References
The table is now using Template:Row numbers.
The row numbers stay aligned no matter the screen width.
And adding or removing countries, or changing the data, does not require manually correcting all the row numbers. The template does it automatically.
If you want to edit the table it is easier to use the wikitext editor.
To use the visual editor with the table one must temporarily remove the template code at the top table. I added a hidden note too. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 15:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
User:MrsIrinaO'Konnell and User:Bostongarden1942 were 2 editors of this article. They are both confirmed sockpuppets of User:Benniejets.
In order to more quickly stop this abuse if it comes up again see:
I reported my suspicions at User talk:Ponyo, and User:MrsIrinaO'Konnell was quickly blocked by User:Bbb23. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 17:00, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
See Help:Sorting and the section called something like: "Auto-ranking or adding a row numbering column (1,2,3) next to a table". That section heading may change over time.
The column of row numbers is static. So it can be used to rank any column. Some people may want to be able to rank the mean wealth column. Or the population column. The fixed column of row numbers allows that.
Hopefully someday the MediaWiki developers may add an option for an integrated row number column in tables. It would make things easier. See phab:T42618. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 23:23, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
One should put a note, that this data is very imprecise. As a prove of that fact you can look on the difference between their report in 2017 and in 2018 about the mid 2017: "Wealth estimates by country (mid-2017)". They modify their result on more then 50% on many countries (Azerbaijan, Ukraine, ...). Also their median result for Ukraine of 40$ is totally wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SLysychkin ( talk • contribs) 17:45, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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Change 'Swaziland' to 'Eswatini' RubeusIgnis ( talk) 14:40, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Please add the following (or with some copyediting...I feel this is a bit awkward as it is) to/after the sentence "It includes both financial and non-financial assets.":
"It includes both financial and non-financial assets, but does not include a share of state pensions. This can skew the results between countries where the majority of retirement savings is in private accounts versus those where the majority is in state pension systems."
With this I want to highlight that the data tables do not entirely compare like with like. E.g. US numbers are inflated compared to countries with majority public-only pension schemes, since US 401k accounts are included in the numbers, but a share or even the contributions to a national pension systems are not. This means that in the US SS contributions are also not counted, but the SS trust fund is very small per capita compared to most other countries' pension systems. There is no easy way to compensate for this in the table since every country's situation is different, but it would be good to remind the readers of this in case they don't read through the Credit Suisse report themselves (this is explained on page 11 of the 2018 report).
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The ratio median/mean for individual countries is wrong. For instance, Ukraine's is exhibited as 2.56%, when the correct is 13.6% (dividing the exhibited median by the exhibited mean). Xyz462 ( talk) 12:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Can someone with more time than me update this table?:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Before Timeshifter or I get into that fun 3rd revert area for a ridiculous dispute, here is the courtesy discussion. Talk page templates, like everything else on Wikipedia, follow guidelines or best practices. In the case of talk page templates, it is primarily focused on the most important templates at the top, followed by the least important templates. This generally goes like this: warnings/reminders to stay calm (highest important), article history/milestones (next highest), WikiProject banners/assessments (next highest), and then all other notices/templates. {{ Annual readership}} should not go above WikiProject banners based on this common practice (literally the way that every article talk page is organized) and WP:TALKORDER, regardless if one editor wants it to be one way. Lastly, this is so silly considering that any computer screen can see all the talk page templates on this page without scrolling. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Average editors and readers are far more interested in {{ pageviews}}. This is an opinion, not a fact (unless you have a reliable source for it). Regardless of what WP:TALKORDER is, it is a good guideline that should be followed in almost all cases. And most importantly, WP:TALKORDER is something. It was first written in 2003 and it enshrines common practice. So it comes down to a personal dispute between you and me. You bring your opinion on what you want, while I bring a guideline that reiterates common practice. Thus, your only reason for going against common practice is that you want it to be that way (which is WP:OWN). Also, please, please stop bolding everything. Editors take that as WP:SHOUTING. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I edit this article. I should have some say in this.That is the very definition of WP:OWN. What I am trying to say is that you opinion on the matter is contradicted by common practice, as explained in WP:TALKORDER. And it doesn't matter what I believe (that I the point I am trying to get across to you), what matters is consensus, and for now the only consensus that exists is WP:TALKORDER. This dispute is so silly since all the talk page templates on this page can be seen on a regular computer screen without scrolling. Thus, its location above or below the wikiproject banner doesn't change its ability to be quickly viewed! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:47, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
This is an information page. It describes the editing community's established practice on some aspect or aspects of Wikipedia's norms and customs. So you are wrong, it is consensus that has been developed for the last 17 years! What would be the point of the page if it didn't describe common practice as established by consensus? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I would like a PPP version of this 2600:8801:B04:2000:B468:8642:8B1F:8BF9 ( talk) 17:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that data for Belarus in the "By Country" table is incorrect. Accordin to source databook (page 117) correct value of Media wealth per adult for Belarus is 7,931 $ instead of 1,499 $ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Артём Петровский ( talk • contribs) 10:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
I would like to include the 2020 Credit Suisse data, however, it's only available for a selected few countries. https://www.credit-suisse.com/media/assets/corporate/docs/about-us/research/publications/global-wealth-report-2020-en.pdf Is it possible to include it in the table with an asterix of sort? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.123.203.233 ( talk • contribs) 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Guarapiranga. See this version of the table.
Why are the regional names there longer than the subregion names used here in this version of List of countries by intentional homicide rate:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 19:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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There is a new, actual 2021 report. I already created the necessary tables for both regions and countries, please see my sandbox: /info/en/?search=User:Rouen_DS/sandbox Since the by-country report doesn't include all countries, you could keep the older/2019 table on bottom as well. Rouen DS ( talk) 14:54, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Do you still see the population columns as strictly necessary? (Wouldn't "Gini wealth coefficient" be more informative as a third column?) In case you still consider population columns necessary, do you have a tip how to shorten millions (of population) in the most elegant fashion? Rouen DS ( talk) 22:26, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Would including total wealth next to each countries not make the article List of countries by total wealth redundant? Rouen DS ( talk) 18:50, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
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11:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC)Rouen DS. The old table had this in the table caption: "Initially in rank order by median wealth."
I think the new table should be in rank order by median wealth also. I find median wealth to be what I am interested in first. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 08:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
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2021 data for Singapore is Incorrect.
From the source document by Credit Suisse http://docs.dpaq.de/17706-global-wealth-report-2021-en.pdf
Average net worth should be 332,995 USD Median net worth should be 86,717 USD Kelvin.emmanuel ( talk) 16:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
2021 data for Singapore is Incorrect.
From the source document http://docs.dpaq.de/17706-global-wealth-report-2021-en.pdf
Average net worth is 332,995 USD Median net worth is 86,717 USD Kelvin.emmanuel ( talk) 16:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
2021 data for Singapore is Incorrect.
From the source document http://docs.dpaq.de/17706-global-wealth-report-2021-en.pdf
Average net worth is 332,995 USD Median net worth is 86,717 USD Kelvin.emmanuel ( talk) 16:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I redid the main country table directly from the source. This was to fix many data errors I was noticing. I put the table in order by median wealth (see discussion in previous section). I removed Template:flaglist+link. It is in the process of being deleted after WP:TFD close. I replaced it with Template:Flaglist. See:
See Help:Table for more info on the following:
I converted the large source PDF to excel via this free site:
I opened the excel file in freeware LibreOffice Calc. I copied table 3-1 to a new Calc file. I put the table in order by median wealth.
I copied the table from Calc to a blank VisualEditor table in a sandbox. I moved the columns to where I wanted them. I added the flaglist template all at once (see Help:Table). I then added style=text-align:left all at once for all the country names. I did some of my work in this sandbox:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 15:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Above the list of countries, it says that the Gini index can range from 0 to 1, but in the list, numbers between 0 and 100 are given. 😏
This should be harmonized. Quark538 ( talk) 06:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
See:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
I've gathered data from another source, the OECD, and compiled into a table. But it refers to "wealth per household" instead. Should I still add it here, or does it deserve its own article? Source is: https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/income/ Rouen DS ( talk) 22:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I think it's just been published:
https://www.credit-suisse.com/about-us/en/reports-research/global-wealth-report.html Camberstowe ( talk) 23:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Camberstowe. Great! I suggest deleting the distribution columns. Makes article too wide. And people can always go to the source for far more detail. See Help:Table#Adding links to specialized country, state, or territory articles for how to add the flags and specialized links fast. That template also left aligns the country column. So you will have to remove the CSS for left alignment first. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 01:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
. Camberstowe. Here is the relevant wikitext in the 2021 region table concerning the "world" row:
|- class=static-row-header style=font-weight:bold | style=text-align:left | {{noflag|[[Economy of the world|World]]}} *
Northern America and North America are not the same. I updated the "Economy of" links in the 2021 regions table. See the wikitext. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 02:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Some people like alphabetical order as the initial order. Some like descending order of the median wealth column as the initial order.
The 2021 charts had descending order of the median wealth column as the initial order. And that column was the first column after the location column. See 2021 version:
What do people think? I like descending order for tables made from sources that do not change more than once a year. --
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Archive 1 |
This is a first stab at a list of countries by national wealth.
The sorting is based on combined household and government net financial assets per adult. This statistic is more accurate than figures that do not account for debt and do not account for government wealth. As tax rates and the relative size of government differ greatly between countries, not accounting for net government wealth would overestimate net wealth per adult in countries with low tax rates and underestimate it countries with high rates.
For more data to expand the article, see the Credit Suisse source and the link to the World Bank study at the bottom of the page. Koyos ( talk) 15:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
The methodology of the Credit Suisse source is dubious. Read their fudge factors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.122.51 ( talk) 12:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
the national wealth per adult of Nigeria is higher than in Germany or in USA? That can NEVER be true! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.208.0.201 ( talk) 09:07, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
I removed the map because it was badly designed: It only showed Europe, it was hard to read, and it was added as the first section, obscuring the data below it. A map would be an excellent idea, and I welcome the contribution, but it should be done like the map on List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita. George Makepeace ( talk) 11:27, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
The country's rank in the list is assigned according to total wealth, not to wealth per adult. That makes no sense to me. Shouldn't Switzerland have rank 1? etc. -- Maelcum ( talk) 20:00, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Median and map are the most important.We can delete line with median in table below. Moonsunstar1 ( talk) 08:01, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
A simple illustration showing importance of income for financing consumption. We assume 3% rate for fin wealth which is spent in a given year, and (for NF wealth) we assume 3% of homes sold of which, half are downsized, half of that cash retained, and 20% of that spent in a given year.
Country A (all per adult)
Income: 50,000 NF wealth: 10,000 Fin wealthy: 50,000
50,000 + nil + 1500= 51,500-savings= consumption
Country B:
Income: 30,000 NF wealth: 250,000 Fin wealth: 100,000
30,000+375+3000= 33,375-savings= consumption.
So even a massive difference in wealth in favor of B will only marginally close the distance in terms of consumption. If the difference was purely due to NF assets, as in the middle quintile (where NF assets dominate=home equity), then the boost to consumption for B would be almost trivial. — Preceding
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Median describes not only the net wealth per capita but its distribution too and so the probanbility to have a real wealth person. Mastercard13273 ( talk) 08:22, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
We can agree setting a list with mean wealth and below the one with median one.Also mean wealth must be ordered like median one.We can delete mean and median below. Map is useful.
Mastercard13273 (
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16:06, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
The third table in the article contained all the information from the first two and more, so I removed the first two. The result is a more compact article with all the important information you need right at the top. My edit does not remove any information from the article - it merely deduplicates the content. I've been editing this article for years, so please do not undo my edit without explanation again: If, for some reason, you think we need an extra 2 copies of the same information, explain why you think so here. — George Makepeace ( talk) 16:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
The 1st and 2nd tables are clear.They've clear ranks.Stop to act as a vandal. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 13:35, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Article now it's really ok.
Bostongarden1942 (
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11:19, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
I checked a few countries' data arbitrarily and found the following:
I've only checked a few, so I expect there are numerous more errors.
Unless anyone has any better ideas, I'm planning on retrieving an entirely fresh set of data directly from Credit Suisse tomorrow.
— George Makepeace ( talk) 00:06, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Good job.Now it's ok.Dispute ended.
Bostongarden1942 (
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11:18, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
I was the first to suggest this kind of articles in Wikipedia.I know well the subject.It needs just to correct some numbers, if it needs.Numbers are in Credit Suisse tables .There's little space for fantasy. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 21:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Write me in which data i don't agree, please.Before accusing tell me which ones.Don't invent and don't act like a sheriff.In my places sheriff doesn't exist.Explain me on what is not consensus.In very clear way.I work in Credit Suisse so i know technically the subject better than you all together.It's easy to report all data from bank tables.If you write something dubious about bank i'll have to warn it.Hold template, but correct data immediately (if there are to correct) and remove it soon.It's like a shadow on bank image. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 23:21, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Instead of writing on talk, correct data that you think wrong (if there are).It doesn't take weeks or days and days.Then remove it.The only dispute is to remove that.It refers like Credit Suisse isn't a reliable source.A shadow on bank image.You're taking time and trollying. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 08:36, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The edits in upper part reports Credit Suisse as not a reliable source.This guy seems to use his long lasting accuracy to low the image of bank and article.No good guideline for the site and also outside. It'd be correct to leave him 2 days to correct (small) things he thinks wrong. Then stop, he has all time. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 11:53, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
His acting will talk. 2 days to correct since today are long time. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:01, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
He is at the moment in good feith.We'll see next 2 days.Credit Suisse will publish new data between 1-2 months. It's be better to arrive there in clear way. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:08, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
I updated the reference in the article. See the link for the downloadable data sheets. They may be easier to use than the PDF to create the tables.
I use freeware LibreOffice along with other tools listed here:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 11:56, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
We'll see next 2 days his acting.If no acting it means it isn't so important.We'll see by acting.At the moment he is in good feith. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:06, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Article is all very good.It doesn't need structural changes. I don't realize all this claiming. Read up. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
So correct them.) Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 12:57, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your help, Timeshifter. I did look at the data tables, but they seem to include less countries than the PDF; in particular, Iceland is missing. Bostongarden1942: Perhaps you could shed some light on that seeing as you work at Credit Suisse? In any case, I am close to done now. I'm sorry for being slow, but I do have other commitments and am trying to create a process that is easily repeatable. — George Makepeace ( talk) 16:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
You did both a good job. Continent table isn't good here and neither in National wealth article. Next hours time to correct in accurate way the table and remove the upper post.Thank you again for the clear and good job. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 19:05, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
See Help:Table and the section on Visual Editor. I have been updating that section today. Learned a few things myself. Useful for easily putting columns in this article here in preferred order.
I want to figure out if it is possible to paste a column of mean wealth data next to the 2 median wealth columns (2016 and 2017) from the XLS file. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:52, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
User:George Makepeace. I left a note at the map author's talk page on the Commons:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:28, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Bostongarden1942 has removed my factual accuracy dispute template for the map 4 times. French Guiana is blatantly wrong on the map, and it's possible that other mistakes have been made as well. It is not acceptable that incorrect information be allowed to exist on Wikipedia without at least a warning. Does anyone have any input before I involve an administrator? — George Makepeace ( talk) 04:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
The map may have the wrong colors for more countries when the next edition of the Global Wealth Report comes out. So we might have to remove the map then until an accurate map is uploaded. That is why it is not good to put a full reference with such a map in articles. It is better to use the short reference in the map caption:
Copied from
George Makepeace comment higher up in another section:
The colored map indicates that French Guiana has median wealth > 102k, yet Credit Suisse has its mean wealth at 48k. It's not feasible for median wealth to be higher than mean wealth.
French Guiana info is on page 22 of the Databook. Since there is no number for median wealth in the Databook anywhere, then there should be no color at all on the map. I did a search for "French Guiana" in the Databook, and did not find any number for median wealth. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 11:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
(unindent). See: Commonwealth realm. A Commonwealth realm is a sovereign state [† 1] in which Queen Elizabeth II is the head of state and reigning constitutional monarch. Each realm is independent from the other realms. As of 2018, there are 16 Commonwealth realms: Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom.
Technically, the queen (via her intermediaries) can withhold Royal assent. So those realms are not completely independent nations. But we do not use UK's numbers for them in country lists.
Also, for US territories, we use their numbers in country lists. Not the USA number. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:01, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Now article is balanced and really accurate.Avoid personal attacks or threatening. Bostongarden1942 ( talk) 13:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Just made map. Enjoy Radom1967 ( talk) 02:51, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Also why French Guyana is wrong? French Guyana is part of France Radom1967 ( talk) 03:17, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
I went back to the first map. See my comments at commons:User talk:Radom1967. French Guiana should not be black color as in the second map. See map caption below, too. Map below is the first map where France and French Guiana share the same green color.
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Please do not remove the continents section without discussion. It is common on list pages to expand a little past the main topic of the list page. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:33, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
See the many lists in the navigation box below. Look at many Wikipedia articles. The title is just the main topic. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
For info on how the table was quickly updated see:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 09:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Median derives from mean measure, that is the most important. About tables before must be mean then median. About Europe same. Before must be set table with mean. Now get consensus before setting median before mean. All can be set in the former way, before people changed without broad consensus. MrsIrinaO'Konnell ( talk) 09:03, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Watching history you changed article without broad consensus. Don't try to turn positions. You must find it, not me. I repeat in economy median derives from mean in calculating. Also CS set mean before median.About Europe map you must set mean map too before the median one. You made article very original. Before reverting again find consensus here please. Thank you. Here the CS report that shows in clear way what i write. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrsIrinaO'Konnell ( talk • contribs) 14:19, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
References
The table is now using Template:Row numbers.
The row numbers stay aligned no matter the screen width.
And adding or removing countries, or changing the data, does not require manually correcting all the row numbers. The template does it automatically.
If you want to edit the table it is easier to use the wikitext editor.
To use the visual editor with the table one must temporarily remove the template code at the top table. I added a hidden note too. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 15:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
User:MrsIrinaO'Konnell and User:Bostongarden1942 were 2 editors of this article. They are both confirmed sockpuppets of User:Benniejets.
In order to more quickly stop this abuse if it comes up again see:
I reported my suspicions at User talk:Ponyo, and User:MrsIrinaO'Konnell was quickly blocked by User:Bbb23. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 17:00, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
See Help:Sorting and the section called something like: "Auto-ranking or adding a row numbering column (1,2,3) next to a table". That section heading may change over time.
The column of row numbers is static. So it can be used to rank any column. Some people may want to be able to rank the mean wealth column. Or the population column. The fixed column of row numbers allows that.
Hopefully someday the MediaWiki developers may add an option for an integrated row number column in tables. It would make things easier. See phab:T42618. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 23:23, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
One should put a note, that this data is very imprecise. As a prove of that fact you can look on the difference between their report in 2017 and in 2018 about the mid 2017: "Wealth estimates by country (mid-2017)". They modify their result on more then 50% on many countries (Azerbaijan, Ukraine, ...). Also their median result for Ukraine of 40$ is totally wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SLysychkin ( talk • contribs) 17:45, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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Change 'Swaziland' to 'Eswatini' RubeusIgnis ( talk) 14:40, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Please add the following (or with some copyediting...I feel this is a bit awkward as it is) to/after the sentence "It includes both financial and non-financial assets.":
"It includes both financial and non-financial assets, but does not include a share of state pensions. This can skew the results between countries where the majority of retirement savings is in private accounts versus those where the majority is in state pension systems."
With this I want to highlight that the data tables do not entirely compare like with like. E.g. US numbers are inflated compared to countries with majority public-only pension schemes, since US 401k accounts are included in the numbers, but a share or even the contributions to a national pension systems are not. This means that in the US SS contributions are also not counted, but the SS trust fund is very small per capita compared to most other countries' pension systems. There is no easy way to compensate for this in the table since every country's situation is different, but it would be good to remind the readers of this in case they don't read through the Credit Suisse report themselves (this is explained on page 11 of the 2018 report).
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The ratio median/mean for individual countries is wrong. For instance, Ukraine's is exhibited as 2.56%, when the correct is 13.6% (dividing the exhibited median by the exhibited mean). Xyz462 ( talk) 12:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Can someone with more time than me update this table?:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 13:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Before Timeshifter or I get into that fun 3rd revert area for a ridiculous dispute, here is the courtesy discussion. Talk page templates, like everything else on Wikipedia, follow guidelines or best practices. In the case of talk page templates, it is primarily focused on the most important templates at the top, followed by the least important templates. This generally goes like this: warnings/reminders to stay calm (highest important), article history/milestones (next highest), WikiProject banners/assessments (next highest), and then all other notices/templates. {{ Annual readership}} should not go above WikiProject banners based on this common practice (literally the way that every article talk page is organized) and WP:TALKORDER, regardless if one editor wants it to be one way. Lastly, this is so silly considering that any computer screen can see all the talk page templates on this page without scrolling. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Average editors and readers are far more interested in {{ pageviews}}. This is an opinion, not a fact (unless you have a reliable source for it). Regardless of what WP:TALKORDER is, it is a good guideline that should be followed in almost all cases. And most importantly, WP:TALKORDER is something. It was first written in 2003 and it enshrines common practice. So it comes down to a personal dispute between you and me. You bring your opinion on what you want, while I bring a guideline that reiterates common practice. Thus, your only reason for going against common practice is that you want it to be that way (which is WP:OWN). Also, please, please stop bolding everything. Editors take that as WP:SHOUTING. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I edit this article. I should have some say in this.That is the very definition of WP:OWN. What I am trying to say is that you opinion on the matter is contradicted by common practice, as explained in WP:TALKORDER. And it doesn't matter what I believe (that I the point I am trying to get across to you), what matters is consensus, and for now the only consensus that exists is WP:TALKORDER. This dispute is so silly since all the talk page templates on this page can be seen on a regular computer screen without scrolling. Thus, its location above or below the wikiproject banner doesn't change its ability to be quickly viewed! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:47, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
This is an information page. It describes the editing community's established practice on some aspect or aspects of Wikipedia's norms and customs. So you are wrong, it is consensus that has been developed for the last 17 years! What would be the point of the page if it didn't describe common practice as established by consensus? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I would like a PPP version of this 2600:8801:B04:2000:B468:8642:8B1F:8BF9 ( talk) 17:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that data for Belarus in the "By Country" table is incorrect. Accordin to source databook (page 117) correct value of Media wealth per adult for Belarus is 7,931 $ instead of 1,499 $ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Артём Петровский ( talk • contribs) 10:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
I would like to include the 2020 Credit Suisse data, however, it's only available for a selected few countries. https://www.credit-suisse.com/media/assets/corporate/docs/about-us/research/publications/global-wealth-report-2020-en.pdf Is it possible to include it in the table with an asterix of sort? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.123.203.233 ( talk • contribs) 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Guarapiranga. See this version of the table.
Why are the regional names there longer than the subregion names used here in this version of List of countries by intentional homicide rate:
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There is a new, actual 2021 report. I already created the necessary tables for both regions and countries, please see my sandbox: /info/en/?search=User:Rouen_DS/sandbox Since the by-country report doesn't include all countries, you could keep the older/2019 table on bottom as well. Rouen DS ( talk) 14:54, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Do you still see the population columns as strictly necessary? (Wouldn't "Gini wealth coefficient" be more informative as a third column?) In case you still consider population columns necessary, do you have a tip how to shorten millions (of population) in the most elegant fashion? Rouen DS ( talk) 22:26, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Would including total wealth next to each countries not make the article List of countries by total wealth redundant? Rouen DS ( talk) 18:50, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
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11:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC)Rouen DS. The old table had this in the table caption: "Initially in rank order by median wealth."
I think the new table should be in rank order by median wealth also. I find median wealth to be what I am interested in first. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 08:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
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2021 data for Singapore is Incorrect.
From the source document by Credit Suisse http://docs.dpaq.de/17706-global-wealth-report-2021-en.pdf
Average net worth should be 332,995 USD Median net worth should be 86,717 USD Kelvin.emmanuel ( talk) 16:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
2021 data for Singapore is Incorrect.
From the source document http://docs.dpaq.de/17706-global-wealth-report-2021-en.pdf
Average net worth is 332,995 USD Median net worth is 86,717 USD Kelvin.emmanuel ( talk) 16:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
2021 data for Singapore is Incorrect.
From the source document http://docs.dpaq.de/17706-global-wealth-report-2021-en.pdf
Average net worth is 332,995 USD Median net worth is 86,717 USD Kelvin.emmanuel ( talk) 16:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I redid the main country table directly from the source. This was to fix many data errors I was noticing. I put the table in order by median wealth (see discussion in previous section). I removed Template:flaglist+link. It is in the process of being deleted after WP:TFD close. I replaced it with Template:Flaglist. See:
See Help:Table for more info on the following:
I converted the large source PDF to excel via this free site:
I opened the excel file in freeware LibreOffice Calc. I copied table 3-1 to a new Calc file. I put the table in order by median wealth.
I copied the table from Calc to a blank VisualEditor table in a sandbox. I moved the columns to where I wanted them. I added the flaglist template all at once (see Help:Table). I then added style=text-align:left all at once for all the country names. I did some of my work in this sandbox:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 15:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Above the list of countries, it says that the Gini index can range from 0 to 1, but in the list, numbers between 0 and 100 are given. 😏
This should be harmonized. Quark538 ( talk) 06:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
See:
-- Timeshifter ( talk) 20:17, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
I've gathered data from another source, the OECD, and compiled into a table. But it refers to "wealth per household" instead. Should I still add it here, or does it deserve its own article? Source is: https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/income/ Rouen DS ( talk) 22:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I think it's just been published:
https://www.credit-suisse.com/about-us/en/reports-research/global-wealth-report.html Camberstowe ( talk) 23:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Camberstowe. Great! I suggest deleting the distribution columns. Makes article too wide. And people can always go to the source for far more detail. See Help:Table#Adding links to specialized country, state, or territory articles for how to add the flags and specialized links fast. That template also left aligns the country column. So you will have to remove the CSS for left alignment first. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 01:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
. Camberstowe. Here is the relevant wikitext in the 2021 region table concerning the "world" row:
|- class=static-row-header style=font-weight:bold | style=text-align:left | {{noflag|[[Economy of the world|World]]}} *
Northern America and North America are not the same. I updated the "Economy of" links in the 2021 regions table. See the wikitext. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 02:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Some people like alphabetical order as the initial order. Some like descending order of the median wealth column as the initial order.
The 2021 charts had descending order of the median wealth column as the initial order. And that column was the first column after the location column. See 2021 version:
What do people think? I like descending order for tables made from sources that do not change more than once a year. --
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