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Yug (talk) 21:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/opinion/health/ventilator-shortage-coronavirus-solution.html
We are moving away from OECD-only scope. Help welcome ! Yug (talk) 09:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Added information for Russia based on this link: http://government.ru/news/39218/
I hope I didn't make any mistakes, as I have calculated the number myself based on 146E6 population reported by Wikipedia and 12000 ICU-CCBs reported in the linked article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.25.172.40 ( talk) 16:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
The AP reported "Mexico has only 5,000 emergency beds, and about 1,500 intensive care or sealed rooms, for a population of over 125 million" today (3/19/2020) so that could be used as a source to put some approximation for Mexico instead of having it be blank. https://apnews.com/ff99a460e304ffc67ab03d8a57b2e1ef — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.35.147 ( talk) 05:53, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I not sure what counts as ICU bed and what doesn't, so may someone with knowledge of the field review these 2 sources, compare them, and refresh the calculations ? Yug (talk) 23:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
[1]. Contains lots of data we are missing, the problem is that some of it is for various years, which doesn't fit nicely into our table. I'd like to get some feedback before incorporating this here. Thoughts? PS. I tried to add data for India, for example, but I gave up. The table is too unwieldy. It only covers years 2013-2017, date for India I see is either older or newer, and adding a new year column requires editing code for 40+ lines. Ugh. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I can see the merits in keeping all "similar" data together, yet pretty much every column here, except the ventilators one is relevant to this article, so in this instance I do question the perceived benefits in the approach I assumed you were suggesting. I also still don't think this is the right table, indeed article, to be displaying ventilator numbers, although it would be worth having this data elsewhere that's more relevant. This table is based on country rank for hospital beds per 1000 pop and the ventilator column looks awkward and unfitting. I suggest to copy the ventilator data elsewhere for now (maybe a temporary user page) so that it can be removed from this table without losing the information, until a suitable location can be sought. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I have started cleaning up and sourcing the List of hospitals in Minnesota and added the number of staffed beds. Healthcare is also a local issue and the current lists for each state need lots of work to make them more accurate. Help with sourcing and lists in other states would be great. G. Moore 15:18, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Yug (talk) 19:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Looking at the linked source for Turkey ICU beds, it occurs to me that they are also counting ~12k neonatal care beds that would not be counted in other sources and would not be especially relevant in the context. IMHO the number of ICU beds per 100k people for Turkey should be corrected based on 24k adult ICU beds, which divided by 83M population comes out to 29.2 ICU beds per 100k people. Also, according to the next linked source from BBC, there are only 17k ventilators in Turkey. Should an ICU bed even count if it does not have one? If we count just the 17k, then to number would go down to 20.7 Aigarius ( talk) 10:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
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Your numbers on Sweden are clearly wrong. The number of ICU beds per 100k is more likely twice your number, and I doubt there are fewer ventilators than ICU beds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blådjur ( talk • contribs) 10:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The very opposite of what a wiki is supposed to be. I started recreating the table as a simple wikitable in draft, but there are still a few references to copy over. — 𝐆𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐚 ☎ 01:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
removes possibility of human error, but removes the possibility of human interaction altogether (but for the very well versed not only in template language in general, but in these specific templates in particular). This is just content ringfencing. No wonder it's over 3 years out of date. — 𝐆𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐚 ☎ 06:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
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Yug (talk) 21:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/opinion/health/ventilator-shortage-coronavirus-solution.html
We are moving away from OECD-only scope. Help welcome ! Yug (talk) 09:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Added information for Russia based on this link: http://government.ru/news/39218/
I hope I didn't make any mistakes, as I have calculated the number myself based on 146E6 population reported by Wikipedia and 12000 ICU-CCBs reported in the linked article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.25.172.40 ( talk) 16:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
The AP reported "Mexico has only 5,000 emergency beds, and about 1,500 intensive care or sealed rooms, for a population of over 125 million" today (3/19/2020) so that could be used as a source to put some approximation for Mexico instead of having it be blank. https://apnews.com/ff99a460e304ffc67ab03d8a57b2e1ef — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.35.147 ( talk) 05:53, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I not sure what counts as ICU bed and what doesn't, so may someone with knowledge of the field review these 2 sources, compare them, and refresh the calculations ? Yug (talk) 23:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
[1]. Contains lots of data we are missing, the problem is that some of it is for various years, which doesn't fit nicely into our table. I'd like to get some feedback before incorporating this here. Thoughts? PS. I tried to add data for India, for example, but I gave up. The table is too unwieldy. It only covers years 2013-2017, date for India I see is either older or newer, and adding a new year column requires editing code for 40+ lines. Ugh. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I can see the merits in keeping all "similar" data together, yet pretty much every column here, except the ventilators one is relevant to this article, so in this instance I do question the perceived benefits in the approach I assumed you were suggesting. I also still don't think this is the right table, indeed article, to be displaying ventilator numbers, although it would be worth having this data elsewhere that's more relevant. This table is based on country rank for hospital beds per 1000 pop and the ventilator column looks awkward and unfitting. I suggest to copy the ventilator data elsewhere for now (maybe a temporary user page) so that it can be removed from this table without losing the information, until a suitable location can be sought. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I have started cleaning up and sourcing the List of hospitals in Minnesota and added the number of staffed beds. Healthcare is also a local issue and the current lists for each state need lots of work to make them more accurate. Help with sourcing and lists in other states would be great. G. Moore 15:18, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Yug (talk) 19:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Looking at the linked source for Turkey ICU beds, it occurs to me that they are also counting ~12k neonatal care beds that would not be counted in other sources and would not be especially relevant in the context. IMHO the number of ICU beds per 100k people for Turkey should be corrected based on 24k adult ICU beds, which divided by 83M population comes out to 29.2 ICU beds per 100k people. Also, according to the next linked source from BBC, there are only 17k ventilators in Turkey. Should an ICU bed even count if it does not have one? If we count just the 17k, then to number would go down to 20.7 Aigarius ( talk) 10:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
References
Your numbers on Sweden are clearly wrong. The number of ICU beds per 100k is more likely twice your number, and I doubt there are fewer ventilators than ICU beds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blådjur ( talk • contribs) 10:36, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The very opposite of what a wiki is supposed to be. I started recreating the table as a simple wikitable in draft, but there are still a few references to copy over. — 𝐆𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐚 ☎ 01:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
removes possibility of human error, but removes the possibility of human interaction altogether (but for the very well versed not only in template language in general, but in these specific templates in particular). This is just content ringfencing. No wonder it's over 3 years out of date. — 𝐆𝐮𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐚 ☎ 06:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)