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A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
The data from the claimed Source ( 1) ( .. corrected link is http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/seventh_survey/7sc.pdf). Example, In 2000 it is reported Thailand has 23,631 INTENTIONAL homicides by gun (277 non intentional). Yet there are only 5,717 TOTAL INTENTIONAL HOMICIDES from all causes in Thailand this same year. Common sense will tell you that Thailand doesn't have a death rate by guns at 33 per 100,000. This would be a rate of 64 a day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.87.225.88 ( talk • contribs) 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there a list that separates murders from suicide rates? Apparently places like Switzerland and Finland have had high suicide rates by firearm in recent years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Two Wrongs ( talk • contribs) 23:19, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
The title is wrong. "List of countries by firearm-related death rate" would mean that it is listed in order (descending or acending) by the number of people killed by firearms. Instead this list is ordered by name of country, so the title should be "List of Firearm-related deaths by country" or something similiar. 71.51.50.38 ( talk) 23:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Can we get a new page that lists Total Gun Deaths per Country? It's good to have a per 100,000 list... but it's also good to see the absolute figures. For instance, South Africa has 10 times as many gun deaths per 100,000 than the USA... but it is well known that the USA has the highest number of gun deaths. There should be a new page so this is made clear. 115.64.28.195 ( talk) 07:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
If it were by death rate, the highest death rate would come first. I work for census bureau demographic surveys, BTW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TechnoFaye ( talk • contribs) 21:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I second the assertion that this page really is ordered incorrectly (for what my opinion is worth). When arriving at this page the first impression I got was that australia has the highest rate of gun deaths. That is entirely misleading, especially when the related "list of countries by gun ownership", which led me to this page, is properly listed in descending numerical order. -- 129.247.247.240 ( talk) 16:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
All the WHO numbers are wrong. All deaths involving a firearm are wrongly filed under homicide. I'll be updating them when I have some time. Theothor32 ( talk) 00:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
What's with all the NA's Isn't NA an abbreviation of Not Applicable?! Unknown maybe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.114.138 ( talk) 17:17, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I think this is an important and obvious link to put in that section. MistySpock ( talk) 19:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The figures should be presented with a fixed number of decimal places if possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.210.66.115 ( talk) 02:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I assume that various war zones have been omitted deliberately, but there is no mention of this in the article. Someone who is not paying much attention could easily come away with the impression that El Salvador sees more people shot and killed than anywhere else in the world, in proportion to its population, but then you look more closely and it's not being compared with Iraq or Afghanistan - or Somalia, Uganda or Pakistan, for that matter. There ought to be some mention of how non-exhaustive this list is, I think, but I'm not sure what exactly to put (or how these countries were selected in the first place). -- Oolong ( talk) 11:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
The math doesn't add up? This is in percent right? The total being the percent of firearm deaths in total (per 100,000 population in one year), and the number under Homicide being percent of homicides through guns, Suicides being percent suicides through guns and so on of the same (deaths by - per 100,000 population in one year). So they should add up to the total, how can the total say it's something when the Homicide/Suicide/Etc add up to a different number? Am I missing something? Many of them add up but many of them do not add up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoorganHart ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
This edit caught my eye. The edit changes the table entry for Columbia
Country | Total firearm-related death rate | Homicides | Suicides | Unintentional | Undetermined | Year | Sources and notes |
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20.11 | 22.10 | 0.67 | 0.14 | NA | 2009 | UNODC 2011 [1] |
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18.11 | 19.10 | 0.57 | 0.14 | NA | 2009 | UNODC 2011 [2] |
The supporting source cited gives the following information:
I don't see any info for a "Total firearm-related death rate" statistic in the cited source. It is not clear to me where the figures asserted in the table for that statistic come from.
A quick look at another table entry (Brazil) shows a similar situation there. It appears to me that the figures in the table need to be audited against the supporting sources cited, and that the table format might need to be revised to associate as-of dates with individual statistics rather than giving a blanket date on a per-country basis. I'm not a regular editor of this article, so I'll not dive in and make major changes to it based on what I've seen in this glimpse of it. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I'm doing a bit of research on this and to me and probably anyone else reading this it would be very interesting to compare murders in general to murders by guns without having to ALT-TAB between two different pages or more. Hope you agree and that someone could do this. Thanks 46.59.36.37 ( talk) 16:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I came here looking for data about a certain country where lots of people are killed by guns, but the statistics for that country are excluded. The truth should not be censored, but I bet it would be censored if I said what country it is. Do you need three hints? One of them is the number of letters in the most common acronym for the country. Shanen ( talk) 18:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
What does the "order" column mean? It doesn't correlate to any of the other columns. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Some problems with the table:
Thank you, all of that seems to be right now. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
The table is outdated in places, and the Date column's relationship to the other columns is sometimes unclear. I suggest that the table be reverified where possible and recast as a new table similar in concept to the table in the Conscription article, but with default supporting sources row-by-row instead of column-by-column. The country-by-country pages at the gunpolicy.org source hosted by the University of Sydney School of Public Health (see [1]) looks like a good choice as the default supporting source. There are about 75 entries in the table -- that's a week or two of work at ten entries per day or so. An {{ under construction}} template could be placed above the table, a new table put in place above the current table, entries redone one by one and removed from the old table as completed, and the old table removed after being emptied. That would look something like this:
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10.05 (mixed years) | 3.0 (2008) | 2.79 (2001) | 0.64 (2001) | 3.62 (2001) | Guns in Argentina [1] | ||
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1.06 (2010) | 0.13 (2010) | 0.73 (2010) | 0.07 (2010) | 0.13 (2010) | Guns in Australia [2] | ||
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2.95 (mixed years) | 0.18 (2010) | 2.68 (2010) | 0.01 (2009) | 0.08 (2010) | Guns in Austria [3] | ||
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0.04 (incomplete, mixed years) | 0.01 (2008) | 0.01 (2007) | 0.02 (2007) | unavailable | Guns in Azerbajan [4] | ||
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1.45 (mixed years) | 0.26 (2009) | 1.14 (2007) | 0.05 (2006) | 0.0 (2006) | Guns in New Zealand [5] | ||
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60 | 5.65 | 3.00 | 2.01 | 0.64 | N\A | 2001 2008 | UNODC 2011 [1] |
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17 | 1.05 | 0.09 | 0.79 | 0.02 | 0.15 | 2008 | UNODC 2011 [2] |
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44 | 2.94 | 0.18 | 2.68 | N\A | 0.08 | 2010 | WHO 2012 [3] |
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45 | 2.66 | 0.17 | 2.14 | 0.09 | N\A | 1993 | Krug 1998 [4] |
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Comments? Suggestions? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I've started work on this. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:58, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
I've finished redoing the table using the gunpolicy.org sources. I'm not sure about the other sources cited in the old table because, as I've explained above, I've been unable to reverify them. Some of them have later dates thn the gunpolicy.org sources cited in the new table, though, and these should probably be in the article if they are reliable and verifiable. I have to travel tomorrow, and won't be able to move on to that. I may or may not be able to get back to this in a few days. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:35, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Why is Northern Ireland included with developing nations? GeneralBelly ( talk) 22:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Did the anti-gun lobby do the graphs,etc. In the gun ownership article, which the US leads-questionably, at least the graphs tell a story the anti-gunners like. In this article, which shows that the US is far less violent with guns than many, many other countries, the graphs would never show you this. Could this be on purpose. Hey guys be intellectually honest - remember the dopes on MSNBC use these numbers. 2601:181:8000:D6D0:DC1B:4FE9:E976:99F3 ( talk) 00:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
It would be useful if there were some way to include a feature that would allow the table to be sorted on any given column. The current alphabetical listing by country is of only very limited usefulness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 ( talk) 20:42, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Why isn't there a Wikipedia page for the following information? Displayed as such. Plain and simple. Can someone please make a page like this. Thank You.
Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (most recent) by country Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount
Total: 100,693 Weighted average: 2,097.8
DEFINITION: Total recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms
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It would be nice to see the homicide column broken out into justified versus non-justified. Mixing murder and self defense in the same column is misleading, unless one philosophically opposes self defense. -- SpareSimian ( talk) 17:41, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
This chart is for *one* year only (or for 'mixed years'), and the years aren't even the same for each country. (This chart is *not* an accurate depiction of firearm-related deaths.) WikiFan2 ( talk) 06:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
hom·i·cide NOUN the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder: 99.73.37.247 ( talk) 05:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
I can't believe there are 6.6 guns per 100 people in the UK. I don't know what the true figure is, but I suspect less than 1%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.72.170 ( talk) 22:23, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
The reason I reverted is because I was not able to verify the data and because No original research due to the crunching of the numbers. Per WP:NOR/ WP:CALC, "Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources. Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age are some examples of routine calculations." When I reverted, I tried looking up the reference but I didn't find it so I came to the conclusion that the calculation failed verification and in addition therefore it was not an obvious reflection of the sources. More recently, I checked the new URL provided as reference in my talk page by the above editor but I fail to find the information that should be contained in the Wikipedia page, like firearm-related homicides, firearm-related suicides, etc. I looked up the second reference in my talk page regarding the number of firearms in Canada but, in said reference, a note is provided that the number comes from the 2007 Small Arms Survey, so it is older information than what was already in the article. If I'm mistaken in anything please let me know. Thinker78 ( talk) 23:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Chickakoo added information which involved her doing calculations using the source's original numbers to present new numbers with the format required in the Wikipedia article table (further information above under "Validity of figures. Canada"). I reverted due to WP:CALC, believing the result is not obvious from the sources. Question is if the edit done by Chickakoo meets WP:CALC's threshold that "the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources" and thus should be restored or is the revert justified and thus the edit should not be restored. Per WP:CALC, consensus is required to restore. Thinker78 ( talk) 23:06, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Do the figures only include civilian non-war deaths? -- RAN ( talk) 17:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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Yes? no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul "The Wall" ( talk • contribs) 18:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
No. It is not that guns are either legal or illegal: various countries' laws regulate who may own various types of guns. Often licenses are required, but perhaps only for certain classes of guns. Marine Parade ( talk) 23:03, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm removing the tag that complains that much of the data is from a single source. The article is plenty unwieldy with just a single source, and has been discussed numerous times here and there, different agencies report differently, and different sources parse the data differently, and different sources collect their data in different years, so it becomes a horrible maintenance mess to use more than a single source (with some exceptions).
Secondly, I'd be grateful if anyone (with volumes of free time!) would vet my recent updates. I suspect there are tons of incorrect numbers, and we know most are out of date. Plenty of vandalism over the years, as well as innocent bad transcription. It's a lot of work to peel through the source numbers and update the many entries here. So if you see mistakes I made, please fix! And if you have scads of time, maybe update some of the other entries. Anastrophe ( talk) 03:41, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
The 'total gun death rate' for the United States now says 19.51 ( as of 8/01/19 ), which sems to be almost double what it should be / was last time I looked. Cited sources also put the figure at 12.1.
39,000 total deaths in a country of 330M cannot possibly be a rate 19.5 / 100k, can it?
@ Anastrophe and RCraig09: the paper i found in the new topic below has almost every country for 2016, which is fairly recent, but i don't have time to do data entry from it, and i'm not sure if taking the whole table is fair use? Irtapil ( talk) 17:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I came across this but i don't have time to add properly. Leavingn it here so someone else can if i don't get back to it.
but it would probably be good to see if you can dig up the original research, since press releases aren't great.
Irtapil ( talk) 17:20, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
the paper is linked in the press release
a correction lists errors in the text, just go by the tables for data in wiki tables, but the text is worth a read for comparison of data collection in different countries.
Irtapil ( talk) 17:23, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
is there a standard way to deal with references with over 100 authors? this looks a bit bulky. [1]
Irtapil ( talk) 17:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Judging from comments above this isn't a new problem, but the table sorting still doesn't seem to function properly? I suspect it is due to data in the columns not matching the data specified in the column headings (e.g. "mixed years" in the "Year" column)? JezGrove ( talk) 00:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Someone added a column on the left side of the table with the numerical rank of countries by firearm-related death per capita, so like Honduras is 1, Venezuela is 2, etc. While I think it would be useful in a static, unchanging table (e.g. in a printed book), or as a dynamic table where you can include a formula to display the rank (e.g. using Javascript, or a spreadsheet), the problem I see in a Wikipedia article is that every time you update a single number that changes the rankings, you have to edit the rank of between 2 and 74 other countries, which seems too laborious. I just updated data for three countries, so am facing this issue. It's enough added work that I think it would deter casual editors from updating the data.
The rank column was just added, so I removed it. If there's some consensus to add it back, by all means have at it. - Agyle ( talk) 01:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Ok, but is there a way to automatically order this list? Cause it being unordered is utterly idiotic and makes all the information 100% useless. 76.64.139.51 ( talk) 15:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Each should be explained above the table. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 12:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
This would narrow the table more. This would allow the table to work better in smaller screens, and would allow the use of larger fonts. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 12:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
GunPolicy.org often has different years for different statistics for a country.
So shouldn't that column be removed? Putting the year in parentheses after each piece of data makes more sense. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 12:40, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
In the "firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year" table Norway have 0.06 homicides that correspond to about 3 homicides per year (Norway population is about 5 millions, 2021).
This article says that in 2018 have been murdered 28 persons.
This wikipedia page state the homicide rate is 0.6 per 100.000 inabitants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paolo.sulprizio ( talk • contribs) 11:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
This list should contain more disclaimers as to the reliability of the different figures. -- 62.108.31.26 15:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
This list is by no means an exhaustive listing. The Wikipedia entry, List of countries by homicide rate, ought to serve as an example for the format of this page. -- Sonof76 ( talk) 19:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I am very confused by the figure for Estonia. The cited document by Krug (1998) claims 12.74/per 100k for 1994 but the WHO says 2.8 per 100k (2011. ‘Inter-country Comparison of Mortality for Selected Cause of Death – Total Firearm Death.’ European Detailed Mortality Database (DMDB). Copenhagen: World Health Organisation Regional Office for Europe. 15 September.)
This number feels a lot more reasonable considering thier rather restrictive firearms laws.
Here are some numbers from other countries from the same source.
Country (Year) | Number of deaths | (crude rate per 100,000 population) | percent of all deaths |
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Austria (2009) | 235 | (2.81) | 0.3037% |
Azerbaijan (2007) | 6 | (0.0699) | 0.0119% |
Belgium (2005) | 315 | (3.0061) | 0.306% |
Bulgaria (2008) | 136 | (1.784) | 0.1231% |
Croatia (2009) | 145 | (3.2738) | 0.2766% |
Cyprus (2008) | 13 | (1.6393) | 0.2503% |
Czech Republic (2009) | 179 | (1.7061) | 0.1666% |
Denmark (2006) | 79 | (1.4537) | 0.1431% |
Estonia (2009) | 38 | (2.8352) | 0.236% |
Finland (2009) | 206 | (3.8585) | 0.4128% |
France (2009) | 1,956 | (3.1482) | 0.3673% |
Georgia (2009) | 68 | (1.5416) | 0.1458% |
Germany (2006) | 953 | (1.157) | 0.116% |
Hungary (2009) | 85 | (0.8481) | 0.0652% |
Iceland (2009) | 4 | (1.253) | 0.1998% |
Ireland (2009) | 57 | (1.2782) | 0.1972% |
Israel (2008) | 143 | (1.9565) | 0.3644% |
Italy (2007) | 799 | (1.3457) | 0.1395% |
Kyrgyzstan (2009) | 44 | (0.845) | 0.1226% |
Latvia (2009) | 43 | (1.907) | 0.1437% |
Lithuania (2009) | 50 | (1.4973) | 0.119% |
Luxembourg (2008) | 12 | (2.4557) | 0.3405% |
Malta (2008) | 7 | (1.699) | 0.2158% |
Montenegro (2008) | 57 | (9.0648) | 0.9986% |
Netherlands (2009) | 93 | (0.5655) | 0.0693% |
Norway (2009) | 107 | (2.2159) | 0.2588% |
Poland (2008) | 114 | (0.2991) | 0.03% |
Portugal (2009) | 152 | (1.4296) | 0.1448% |
Republic of Moldova (2009) | 21 | (0.589) | 0.0498% |
Romania (2009) | 37 | (0.1723) | 0.0144% |
Serbia (2009) | 285 | (3.893) | 0.274% |
Slovakia (2009) | 106 | (1.9563) | 0.2003% |
Slovenia (2009) | 44 | (2.1544) | 0.2347% |
Spain (2008) | 307 | (0.6733) | 0.0795% |
Sweden (2008) | 138 | (1.4968) | 0.1508% |
United Kingdom (2009) | 138 | (0.2233) | 0.0247% |
Uzbekistan (2005) | 179 | (0.6841) | 0.1273% |
great detail can be found here: http://data.euro.who.int/dmdb/ Litch ( talk) 07:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
The table in this Wikipedia article gives a number (3.64) that is an order of magnitude different from a number (0.4) quoted by United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, here: http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Homicides_by_firearms.xls
Some of the data is so obviously incorrect I feel the whole page should be deleted if you can not source reliable data.
On this page /info/en/?search=List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate which lists total homicides, and sources the UN office on drugs and crime shows the USA with a total rate of 4.7, while this page show 10.3 just for with firearms. This page show NZ as 1.45 – the UN data shows total homicides as 0.9 in NZ. This page has Croatia as 3.54 for firearm homicides – the UN data says 1.2 for total homicides of any type in Croatia. If accurate data can not be found this page should be deleted in my opinion. c1nzw —Preceding undated comment added 23:22, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Either more recent data ought to be included or it should be noted that the 1993 data for the United States represents an historical peak for "firearms-related" deaths (or both), as current data details a rate that is ~30% lower than the dates cited. [2] -- Sonof76 ( talk) 19:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
DocKrin ( talk) 13:19, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't think its material should be removed, as I think it's exhaustive in many cases, still recent in most, and remains valuable, but the shortcomings should be kept in mind. Can a cautionary note to that effect be placed on the page, and if new info about it surfaces, that update be included as well? Activist ( talk) 19:27, 8 January 2017 (UTC)This Site is No Longer Updated: GunPolicy.org is no longer supported by donors, and has no staff. Updates will recommence if and when funding is available.
According to the ONS the number of firearms covered by firearms licenses in 2011 was 1,801,540 and the population was 63.26 million giving a percentage or 2.8% — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.211.90 ( talk) 14:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC) [1]
References
The table contains out-of-date figures. I attempted yesterday to edit with updated figures from Statistics Canada http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&retrLang=eng&id=1020540&tabMode=dataTable&p1=1&p2=-1&srchLan=-1&pattern=Deaths%2C+by+cause (CANSIM Table 102-0540, "Deaths, by cause, Chapter XX: External causes of morbidity and mortality (V01 to Y89), age group and sex, Canada") clicking on Add/Remove Data, then under Step 4 selecting all categories related to "firearms" or "guns", then step 7, "apply", which results in the following shooting deaths for 2015: 11 accidental deaths, 633 suicides, 137 assault with firearms, 6 undetermined, 12 legal intervention. I then calculated the death rates per 100,000 using the Canadian population estimate of 35.85 million in 2015. Thinker78 did not approve of my edits and reverted table entry. I did notice there is a discrepancy between this data set, which I believe comes from hospital reported deaths, and the police reported homicides by firearms http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal01-eng.htm (which reports 179 in 2015). I am attempting to resolve by contacting Statistics Canada. I will update when I hear back from government statistician. -- Chickakoo ( talk) 23:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Figures for homicide and suicide were for any method. I updated them to be the gun-related totals. -- ABehrens ( talk) 16:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
The data from the claimed Source ( 1) ( .. corrected link is http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/seventh_survey/7sc.pdf). Example, In 2000 it is reported Thailand has 23,631 INTENTIONAL homicides by gun (277 non intentional). Yet there are only 5,717 TOTAL INTENTIONAL HOMICIDES from all causes in Thailand this same year. Common sense will tell you that Thailand doesn't have a death rate by guns at 33 per 100,000. This would be a rate of 64 a day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.87.225.88 ( talk • contribs) 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there a list that separates murders from suicide rates? Apparently places like Switzerland and Finland have had high suicide rates by firearm in recent years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Two Wrongs ( talk • contribs) 23:19, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
The title is wrong. "List of countries by firearm-related death rate" would mean that it is listed in order (descending or acending) by the number of people killed by firearms. Instead this list is ordered by name of country, so the title should be "List of Firearm-related deaths by country" or something similiar. 71.51.50.38 ( talk) 23:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Can we get a new page that lists Total Gun Deaths per Country? It's good to have a per 100,000 list... but it's also good to see the absolute figures. For instance, South Africa has 10 times as many gun deaths per 100,000 than the USA... but it is well known that the USA has the highest number of gun deaths. There should be a new page so this is made clear. 115.64.28.195 ( talk) 07:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
If it were by death rate, the highest death rate would come first. I work for census bureau demographic surveys, BTW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TechnoFaye ( talk • contribs) 21:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I second the assertion that this page really is ordered incorrectly (for what my opinion is worth). When arriving at this page the first impression I got was that australia has the highest rate of gun deaths. That is entirely misleading, especially when the related "list of countries by gun ownership", which led me to this page, is properly listed in descending numerical order. -- 129.247.247.240 ( talk) 16:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
All the WHO numbers are wrong. All deaths involving a firearm are wrongly filed under homicide. I'll be updating them when I have some time. Theothor32 ( talk) 00:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
What's with all the NA's Isn't NA an abbreviation of Not Applicable?! Unknown maybe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.114.138 ( talk) 17:17, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I think this is an important and obvious link to put in that section. MistySpock ( talk) 19:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The figures should be presented with a fixed number of decimal places if possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.210.66.115 ( talk) 02:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I assume that various war zones have been omitted deliberately, but there is no mention of this in the article. Someone who is not paying much attention could easily come away with the impression that El Salvador sees more people shot and killed than anywhere else in the world, in proportion to its population, but then you look more closely and it's not being compared with Iraq or Afghanistan - or Somalia, Uganda or Pakistan, for that matter. There ought to be some mention of how non-exhaustive this list is, I think, but I'm not sure what exactly to put (or how these countries were selected in the first place). -- Oolong ( talk) 11:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
The math doesn't add up? This is in percent right? The total being the percent of firearm deaths in total (per 100,000 population in one year), and the number under Homicide being percent of homicides through guns, Suicides being percent suicides through guns and so on of the same (deaths by - per 100,000 population in one year). So they should add up to the total, how can the total say it's something when the Homicide/Suicide/Etc add up to a different number? Am I missing something? Many of them add up but many of them do not add up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoorganHart ( talk • contribs) 17:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
This edit caught my eye. The edit changes the table entry for Columbia
Country | Total firearm-related death rate | Homicides | Suicides | Unintentional | Undetermined | Year | Sources and notes |
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20.11 | 22.10 | 0.67 | 0.14 | NA | 2009 | UNODC 2011 [1] |
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18.11 | 19.10 | 0.57 | 0.14 | NA | 2009 | UNODC 2011 [2] |
The supporting source cited gives the following information:
I don't see any info for a "Total firearm-related death rate" statistic in the cited source. It is not clear to me where the figures asserted in the table for that statistic come from.
A quick look at another table entry (Brazil) shows a similar situation there. It appears to me that the figures in the table need to be audited against the supporting sources cited, and that the table format might need to be revised to associate as-of dates with individual statistics rather than giving a blanket date on a per-country basis. I'm not a regular editor of this article, so I'll not dive in and make major changes to it based on what I've seen in this glimpse of it. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I'm doing a bit of research on this and to me and probably anyone else reading this it would be very interesting to compare murders in general to murders by guns without having to ALT-TAB between two different pages or more. Hope you agree and that someone could do this. Thanks 46.59.36.37 ( talk) 16:12, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I came here looking for data about a certain country where lots of people are killed by guns, but the statistics for that country are excluded. The truth should not be censored, but I bet it would be censored if I said what country it is. Do you need three hints? One of them is the number of letters in the most common acronym for the country. Shanen ( talk) 18:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
What does the "order" column mean? It doesn't correlate to any of the other columns. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Some problems with the table:
Thank you, all of that seems to be right now. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
The table is outdated in places, and the Date column's relationship to the other columns is sometimes unclear. I suggest that the table be reverified where possible and recast as a new table similar in concept to the table in the Conscription article, but with default supporting sources row-by-row instead of column-by-column. The country-by-country pages at the gunpolicy.org source hosted by the University of Sydney School of Public Health (see [1]) looks like a good choice as the default supporting source. There are about 75 entries in the table -- that's a week or two of work at ten entries per day or so. An {{ under construction}} template could be placed above the table, a new table put in place above the current table, entries redone one by one and removed from the old table as completed, and the old table removed after being emptied. That would look something like this:
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10.05 (mixed years) | 3.0 (2008) | 2.79 (2001) | 0.64 (2001) | 3.62 (2001) | Guns in Argentina [1] | ||
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1.06 (2010) | 0.13 (2010) | 0.73 (2010) | 0.07 (2010) | 0.13 (2010) | Guns in Australia [2] | ||
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2.95 (mixed years) | 0.18 (2010) | 2.68 (2010) | 0.01 (2009) | 0.08 (2010) | Guns in Austria [3] | ||
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0.04 (incomplete, mixed years) | 0.01 (2008) | 0.01 (2007) | 0.02 (2007) | unavailable | Guns in Azerbajan [4] | ||
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1.45 (mixed years) | 0.26 (2009) | 1.14 (2007) | 0.05 (2006) | 0.0 (2006) | Guns in New Zealand [5] | ||
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Comments? Suggestions? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I've started work on this. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:58, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
I've finished redoing the table using the gunpolicy.org sources. I'm not sure about the other sources cited in the old table because, as I've explained above, I've been unable to reverify them. Some of them have later dates thn the gunpolicy.org sources cited in the new table, though, and these should probably be in the article if they are reliable and verifiable. I have to travel tomorrow, and won't be able to move on to that. I may or may not be able to get back to this in a few days. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:35, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
Why is Northern Ireland included with developing nations? GeneralBelly ( talk) 22:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Did the anti-gun lobby do the graphs,etc. In the gun ownership article, which the US leads-questionably, at least the graphs tell a story the anti-gunners like. In this article, which shows that the US is far less violent with guns than many, many other countries, the graphs would never show you this. Could this be on purpose. Hey guys be intellectually honest - remember the dopes on MSNBC use these numbers. 2601:181:8000:D6D0:DC1B:4FE9:E976:99F3 ( talk) 00:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
It would be useful if there were some way to include a feature that would allow the table to be sorted on any given column. The current alphabetical listing by country is of only very limited usefulness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 ( talk) 20:42, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Why isn't there a Wikipedia page for the following information? Displayed as such. Plain and simple. Can someone please make a page like this. Thank You.
Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (most recent) by country Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount
Total: 100,693 Weighted average: 2,097.8
DEFINITION: Total recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
SOURCE: The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms
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It would be nice to see the homicide column broken out into justified versus non-justified. Mixing murder and self defense in the same column is misleading, unless one philosophically opposes self defense. -- SpareSimian ( talk) 17:41, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
This chart is for *one* year only (or for 'mixed years'), and the years aren't even the same for each country. (This chart is *not* an accurate depiction of firearm-related deaths.) WikiFan2 ( talk) 06:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
hom·i·cide NOUN the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder: 99.73.37.247 ( talk) 05:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
I can't believe there are 6.6 guns per 100 people in the UK. I don't know what the true figure is, but I suspect less than 1%. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.72.170 ( talk) 22:23, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
The reason I reverted is because I was not able to verify the data and because No original research due to the crunching of the numbers. Per WP:NOR/ WP:CALC, "Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources. Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age are some examples of routine calculations." When I reverted, I tried looking up the reference but I didn't find it so I came to the conclusion that the calculation failed verification and in addition therefore it was not an obvious reflection of the sources. More recently, I checked the new URL provided as reference in my talk page by the above editor but I fail to find the information that should be contained in the Wikipedia page, like firearm-related homicides, firearm-related suicides, etc. I looked up the second reference in my talk page regarding the number of firearms in Canada but, in said reference, a note is provided that the number comes from the 2007 Small Arms Survey, so it is older information than what was already in the article. If I'm mistaken in anything please let me know. Thinker78 ( talk) 23:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Chickakoo added information which involved her doing calculations using the source's original numbers to present new numbers with the format required in the Wikipedia article table (further information above under "Validity of figures. Canada"). I reverted due to WP:CALC, believing the result is not obvious from the sources. Question is if the edit done by Chickakoo meets WP:CALC's threshold that "the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources" and thus should be restored or is the revert justified and thus the edit should not be restored. Per WP:CALC, consensus is required to restore. Thinker78 ( talk) 23:06, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Do the figures only include civilian non-war deaths? -- RAN ( talk) 17:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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Yes? no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul "The Wall" ( talk • contribs) 18:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
No. It is not that guns are either legal or illegal: various countries' laws regulate who may own various types of guns. Often licenses are required, but perhaps only for certain classes of guns. Marine Parade ( talk) 23:03, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm removing the tag that complains that much of the data is from a single source. The article is plenty unwieldy with just a single source, and has been discussed numerous times here and there, different agencies report differently, and different sources parse the data differently, and different sources collect their data in different years, so it becomes a horrible maintenance mess to use more than a single source (with some exceptions).
Secondly, I'd be grateful if anyone (with volumes of free time!) would vet my recent updates. I suspect there are tons of incorrect numbers, and we know most are out of date. Plenty of vandalism over the years, as well as innocent bad transcription. It's a lot of work to peel through the source numbers and update the many entries here. So if you see mistakes I made, please fix! And if you have scads of time, maybe update some of the other entries. Anastrophe ( talk) 03:41, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
The 'total gun death rate' for the United States now says 19.51 ( as of 8/01/19 ), which sems to be almost double what it should be / was last time I looked. Cited sources also put the figure at 12.1.
39,000 total deaths in a country of 330M cannot possibly be a rate 19.5 / 100k, can it?
@ Anastrophe and RCraig09: the paper i found in the new topic below has almost every country for 2016, which is fairly recent, but i don't have time to do data entry from it, and i'm not sure if taking the whole table is fair use? Irtapil ( talk) 17:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I came across this but i don't have time to add properly. Leavingn it here so someone else can if i don't get back to it.
but it would probably be good to see if you can dig up the original research, since press releases aren't great.
Irtapil ( talk) 17:20, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
the paper is linked in the press release
a correction lists errors in the text, just go by the tables for data in wiki tables, but the text is worth a read for comparison of data collection in different countries.
Irtapil ( talk) 17:23, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
is there a standard way to deal with references with over 100 authors? this looks a bit bulky. [1]
Irtapil ( talk) 17:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Judging from comments above this isn't a new problem, but the table sorting still doesn't seem to function properly? I suspect it is due to data in the columns not matching the data specified in the column headings (e.g. "mixed years" in the "Year" column)? JezGrove ( talk) 00:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Someone added a column on the left side of the table with the numerical rank of countries by firearm-related death per capita, so like Honduras is 1, Venezuela is 2, etc. While I think it would be useful in a static, unchanging table (e.g. in a printed book), or as a dynamic table where you can include a formula to display the rank (e.g. using Javascript, or a spreadsheet), the problem I see in a Wikipedia article is that every time you update a single number that changes the rankings, you have to edit the rank of between 2 and 74 other countries, which seems too laborious. I just updated data for three countries, so am facing this issue. It's enough added work that I think it would deter casual editors from updating the data.
The rank column was just added, so I removed it. If there's some consensus to add it back, by all means have at it. - Agyle ( talk) 01:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Ok, but is there a way to automatically order this list? Cause it being unordered is utterly idiotic and makes all the information 100% useless. 76.64.139.51 ( talk) 15:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Each should be explained above the table. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 12:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
This would narrow the table more. This would allow the table to work better in smaller screens, and would allow the use of larger fonts. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 12:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
GunPolicy.org often has different years for different statistics for a country.
So shouldn't that column be removed? Putting the year in parentheses after each piece of data makes more sense. -- Timeshifter ( talk) 12:40, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
In the "firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year" table Norway have 0.06 homicides that correspond to about 3 homicides per year (Norway population is about 5 millions, 2021).
This article says that in 2018 have been murdered 28 persons.
This wikipedia page state the homicide rate is 0.6 per 100.000 inabitants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paolo.sulprizio ( talk • contribs) 11:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
This list should contain more disclaimers as to the reliability of the different figures. -- 62.108.31.26 15:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
This list is by no means an exhaustive listing. The Wikipedia entry, List of countries by homicide rate, ought to serve as an example for the format of this page. -- Sonof76 ( talk) 19:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I am very confused by the figure for Estonia. The cited document by Krug (1998) claims 12.74/per 100k for 1994 but the WHO says 2.8 per 100k (2011. ‘Inter-country Comparison of Mortality for Selected Cause of Death – Total Firearm Death.’ European Detailed Mortality Database (DMDB). Copenhagen: World Health Organisation Regional Office for Europe. 15 September.)
This number feels a lot more reasonable considering thier rather restrictive firearms laws.
Here are some numbers from other countries from the same source.
Country (Year) | Number of deaths | (crude rate per 100,000 population) | percent of all deaths |
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Austria (2009) | 235 | (2.81) | 0.3037% |
Azerbaijan (2007) | 6 | (0.0699) | 0.0119% |
Belgium (2005) | 315 | (3.0061) | 0.306% |
Bulgaria (2008) | 136 | (1.784) | 0.1231% |
Croatia (2009) | 145 | (3.2738) | 0.2766% |
Cyprus (2008) | 13 | (1.6393) | 0.2503% |
Czech Republic (2009) | 179 | (1.7061) | 0.1666% |
Denmark (2006) | 79 | (1.4537) | 0.1431% |
Estonia (2009) | 38 | (2.8352) | 0.236% |
Finland (2009) | 206 | (3.8585) | 0.4128% |
France (2009) | 1,956 | (3.1482) | 0.3673% |
Georgia (2009) | 68 | (1.5416) | 0.1458% |
Germany (2006) | 953 | (1.157) | 0.116% |
Hungary (2009) | 85 | (0.8481) | 0.0652% |
Iceland (2009) | 4 | (1.253) | 0.1998% |
Ireland (2009) | 57 | (1.2782) | 0.1972% |
Israel (2008) | 143 | (1.9565) | 0.3644% |
Italy (2007) | 799 | (1.3457) | 0.1395% |
Kyrgyzstan (2009) | 44 | (0.845) | 0.1226% |
Latvia (2009) | 43 | (1.907) | 0.1437% |
Lithuania (2009) | 50 | (1.4973) | 0.119% |
Luxembourg (2008) | 12 | (2.4557) | 0.3405% |
Malta (2008) | 7 | (1.699) | 0.2158% |
Montenegro (2008) | 57 | (9.0648) | 0.9986% |
Netherlands (2009) | 93 | (0.5655) | 0.0693% |
Norway (2009) | 107 | (2.2159) | 0.2588% |
Poland (2008) | 114 | (0.2991) | 0.03% |
Portugal (2009) | 152 | (1.4296) | 0.1448% |
Republic of Moldova (2009) | 21 | (0.589) | 0.0498% |
Romania (2009) | 37 | (0.1723) | 0.0144% |
Serbia (2009) | 285 | (3.893) | 0.274% |
Slovakia (2009) | 106 | (1.9563) | 0.2003% |
Slovenia (2009) | 44 | (2.1544) | 0.2347% |
Spain (2008) | 307 | (0.6733) | 0.0795% |
Sweden (2008) | 138 | (1.4968) | 0.1508% |
United Kingdom (2009) | 138 | (0.2233) | 0.0247% |
Uzbekistan (2005) | 179 | (0.6841) | 0.1273% |
great detail can be found here: http://data.euro.who.int/dmdb/ Litch ( talk) 07:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
The table in this Wikipedia article gives a number (3.64) that is an order of magnitude different from a number (0.4) quoted by United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, here: http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Homicides_by_firearms.xls
Some of the data is so obviously incorrect I feel the whole page should be deleted if you can not source reliable data.
On this page /info/en/?search=List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate which lists total homicides, and sources the UN office on drugs and crime shows the USA with a total rate of 4.7, while this page show 10.3 just for with firearms. This page show NZ as 1.45 – the UN data shows total homicides as 0.9 in NZ. This page has Croatia as 3.54 for firearm homicides – the UN data says 1.2 for total homicides of any type in Croatia. If accurate data can not be found this page should be deleted in my opinion. c1nzw —Preceding undated comment added 23:22, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Either more recent data ought to be included or it should be noted that the 1993 data for the United States represents an historical peak for "firearms-related" deaths (or both), as current data details a rate that is ~30% lower than the dates cited. [2] -- Sonof76 ( talk) 19:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
DocKrin ( talk) 13:19, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't think its material should be removed, as I think it's exhaustive in many cases, still recent in most, and remains valuable, but the shortcomings should be kept in mind. Can a cautionary note to that effect be placed on the page, and if new info about it surfaces, that update be included as well? Activist ( talk) 19:27, 8 January 2017 (UTC)This Site is No Longer Updated: GunPolicy.org is no longer supported by donors, and has no staff. Updates will recommence if and when funding is available.
According to the ONS the number of firearms covered by firearms licenses in 2011 was 1,801,540 and the population was 63.26 million giving a percentage or 2.8% — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.211.90 ( talk) 14:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC) [1]
References
The table contains out-of-date figures. I attempted yesterday to edit with updated figures from Statistics Canada http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&retrLang=eng&id=1020540&tabMode=dataTable&p1=1&p2=-1&srchLan=-1&pattern=Deaths%2C+by+cause (CANSIM Table 102-0540, "Deaths, by cause, Chapter XX: External causes of morbidity and mortality (V01 to Y89), age group and sex, Canada") clicking on Add/Remove Data, then under Step 4 selecting all categories related to "firearms" or "guns", then step 7, "apply", which results in the following shooting deaths for 2015: 11 accidental deaths, 633 suicides, 137 assault with firearms, 6 undetermined, 12 legal intervention. I then calculated the death rates per 100,000 using the Canadian population estimate of 35.85 million in 2015. Thinker78 did not approve of my edits and reverted table entry. I did notice there is a discrepancy between this data set, which I believe comes from hospital reported deaths, and the police reported homicides by firearms http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal01-eng.htm (which reports 179 in 2015). I am attempting to resolve by contacting Statistics Canada. I will update when I hear back from government statistician. -- Chickakoo ( talk) 23:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Figures for homicide and suicide were for any method. I updated them to be the gun-related totals. -- ABehrens ( talk) 16:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)