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Why is Yang Liwei listed as the "first Chinese-launched astronaut" and not simply as "the first Chinese astronaut"? Was someone from China launched by the Russians or someone from Taiwan launched by the US? Rmhermen 13:15, Oct 15, 2003 (UTC)
At 62 years old, will Mike Melvill, the pilot of SpaceshipOne on it's maiden space flight on June 21st, be the second oldest astronaut behind John Glenn? - Alan Anderton
Lots of X-15 pilots missing from here. — Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 05:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Franklin Chang-Diaz is listed as "first Hispanic astronaut". He first flew in space in 1986. Arnaldo Tamayo Méndez flew in space in 1980, launched by the Soviet Union for Cuba. It appears that Tamayo Méndez was the first hispanic in space. Reubenbarton 21:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
William Anders is listed as the first Asian-born person in space, but his flight was in 1968. In 1961 Gherman Titov went to space (the second person to do so). He was born in the Altai Region of the USSR, in Asia. -- 82.142.124.93 12:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Should astronauts who have died have thier names marked with a cross (†) symbol? Seems a bit presumptuous to me when clearly several of those who fall into the category were NOT christians. I think it should be replaced with a more religiously inconsequential/unrelated symbol like an asterisk. -- Deglr6328 08:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
January 7th User:JStone added Nancy Sherlock to the list. Nancy Sherlock is the same person as Nancy Currie with the full name of Nancy Jane Sherlock Currie. Sherlock was her maiden name and she married David Currie. Does anyone know if Nancy is divorced and has dropped the Currie ? How do we deal with the women's maiden names in the future? The Frenchwoman Claudie Haigneré flew her first mission as Claudie André-Deshays on Soyuz TM-24 in 1997 to MIR, and later as Claudie Haigneré on Soyuz TM-33 in 2002 to MIR, after her marriage with Jean-Pierre Haigneré.-- Necessary Evil 23:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Roger B. Chaffee, who haven't been in space, is now on the list. Challenger's last pilot;
Michael J. Smith should therefore be on the list too.
Jake Garn and
Bill Nelson flew of political reasons, so did the
Intercosmos cosmonauts. They should be removed too.
Necessary Evil
21:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
It looks like Mike Barratt is missing from the list:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/barratt-mr.html but I'm not sure how to add to the list.
Alex, 15 September 2007 —Preceding
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98.196.239.33 (
talk)
01:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Helen Sharman is not listed here (yet):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Sharman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.106.32.127 ( talk) 20:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC).
Is the fact that a few space travellers may not have been professional astronauts sufficient reason to maintain both List of astronauts by name and List of space travelers by name? Either the "tourists" could be flagged in the one list with some graphical device, or, perhaps even better, a separate list of non-professionals could be compiled. It seems to me like an awful lot of unnecessary duplication the way it is right now... Matt 20:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Correction, Acada has now flown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:4C80:A234:9D58:52C2:AA9F:2ED9 ( talk) 21:53, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
This proposal clearly has no support, so I have removed the templates. Matt 01:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I noticed that on this page (and on List of space travelers by name) there is no definition, what the flags next to the persons' names mean. Is it obvious? In most cases yes, in a few cases not at all. While it is clear that one person is US American and the other person is Russian, things can get complex when it comes to people who changed countries or countries that split or united. The absence of the definition has already caused discussions here and there. I think we need a definition and it should be noted on the page, in order to avoid unnecessary edits. My proposal: The flags denote the nationality (or the nationalities) of the person at the time of the flight. In case of several nationalities (either parallel or serial) we need several flags. So some examples:
I think the example of Jähn shows that the inclusion of previous or later nationalities leads to a confusing pattern of flags. Let's keep it simple and clear. Any comments or other proposals? -- Asdert 18:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
If this list is to include all astronauts, whether they have flown in space or not, then why does it include (e.g.) Sigmund Jähn but not his backup, Eberhard Köllner? For that matter, why doesn't it include Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor, and his backup Faiz Khaleed, the Angkasawan cosmonauts? Their position doesn't differ in any great respect from that of the Intercosmos cosmonauts. RandomCritic 13:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Come on, do we really need those little Venus signs to denote that the astronaut in question was female? May as well have Mars ones too. Plus the ethnicity of all of them, as that seems to be important as well. But apparently only if they're not white. 130.56.71.50 ( talk) 05:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't have any problem with an indication of gender, with two provisos. First, there should be some indication of the intended meaning; as it is now it may be mysterious to some readers. Second, it needs to be applied consistently; I know that K. Megan McArthur is female, but she has no symbol by her name. There may well be others missing. 170.140.151.65 ( talk) 22:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the opening comment. The gender symbols are unnecessary. I don't see them used in other Wikipedia people lists. I vote for deletion. ShelbyBell ( talk) 00:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I like the indication of gender, with some reservations. Can we just have a word or letter, instead of a symbol, and can we apply it to male astronauts as well? I don't want to be all over-sensitive and stuff, but -- while it is true that the majority of astronauts have been males, and will be for some time, it might be better to not imply that astronauts in general are male. The choice of labeling only female astronauts (as exceptions to a pattern) would seem to create and reinforce that implication. The choice of pink is also difficult to read, and placing a small image next to an item in a list is not necessarily present in all browsers -- that is, there may be accessibility issues. Labeling male astronauts would also be more consistent, building on one of the comments above. Proposal: Yes to indicator of gender, No to just labeling females, No to using an image (use words instead). Niceoboe ( talk) 17:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
This article needs tougher guidelines on who is to be counted as an 'astronaut', and those guidelines need to be enforced consistently -- in going through the list, I'm seeing several people who were only "scientists, politicians, journalists, and tourists" at the time of their spaceflight. Also very unclear is the status of "commercial astronauts" -- the term seems to be a creation of the companies involved, and need not imply any degree of training comparable to that given by NASA or Roskosmos or the ESA or JAXA. Rather, the status is contingent upon flights above a certain altitude, and so corresponds to WP's usage of the term "space traveler". Payload specialists and "spaceflight participants" are other gray areas. RandomCritic ( talk) 17:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Agreed at the minimum there needs to be a denotation such as an asterisk to indicate if someone has not flown in space — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moneya ( talk • contribs) 17:17, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I am wondering whether there is any reason why there are pictures of some but not other astronauts. my concern is that they are making the ones with pictures seem more important — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moneya ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
The name of the article itself should be changed to reflect that this is a list of professional astronauts rather than listing it in the first paragraph. Because this article is a list, people may arrive at the page and skip straight to finding the name of an individual and miss the qualification which is made in the lead. The distinction is not made in conversational usage, nor is it a widespread understanding. Penyulap talk 04:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
208.107.74.4 removed the female markings because he or she felt that "No need for a distinction of female astronauts. Either have both male and female marked or none at all." This is not a minor edit, and should be discussed here first. --Regards, Necessary Evil ( talk) 18:33, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Bjarni Tryggvason was born in Iceland so shouldn't the Icelandic flag be besides his name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.190.119.71 ( talk) 18:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I understand that this subject has already been addressed, but I am resurrecting this in a new thread. I entirely agree with 130.56.71.50, who stated that it is unfair that only females have gender denoted here. While knowing that yes, the majority of astronauts are male, that is true of a lot of professions. If we had a list of doctors on Wikipedia (which there probably is), would we exclusively indicate females there? How about police officers? Even if there would be, this is just really sexist. There's another list of astronauts (well, space travelers, but still) almost identical to this one, and the male symbols are indicated there, so why shouldn't they be here, if they can't be removed entirely? I don't really think they should be there at all, because it implies that gender matters when it comes to performance under extreme conditions, which, of course, IT DOES NOT. (I'm probably biased here, but that is a moot point.) But if there just has to be the gender indication there, they should definitely be used for both sexes. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 01:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
I take issue with the bolding of certain names. It has been explained as an indication of who set foot on the Moon, but I find it discriminatory: the end result is a list emphasizing Americans, downplaying the pioneering contribution of other, non-American astronauts, like Yuri Gagarin, for instance. Moon-landing is a cherry-picked criterion for emphasis, and I suggest the removal of any merit-based emphasis on this list. The readers can find all the details of an astronaut's career in their pages. In my view, being the first person in space beats walking on the Moon. Heck, even being the first dog in space does. -- Edwin Pixley ( talk) 10:13, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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Why is Yang Liwei listed as the "first Chinese-launched astronaut" and not simply as "the first Chinese astronaut"? Was someone from China launched by the Russians or someone from Taiwan launched by the US? Rmhermen 13:15, Oct 15, 2003 (UTC)
At 62 years old, will Mike Melvill, the pilot of SpaceshipOne on it's maiden space flight on June 21st, be the second oldest astronaut behind John Glenn? - Alan Anderton
Lots of X-15 pilots missing from here. — Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 05:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Franklin Chang-Diaz is listed as "first Hispanic astronaut". He first flew in space in 1986. Arnaldo Tamayo Méndez flew in space in 1980, launched by the Soviet Union for Cuba. It appears that Tamayo Méndez was the first hispanic in space. Reubenbarton 21:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
William Anders is listed as the first Asian-born person in space, but his flight was in 1968. In 1961 Gherman Titov went to space (the second person to do so). He was born in the Altai Region of the USSR, in Asia. -- 82.142.124.93 12:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Should astronauts who have died have thier names marked with a cross (†) symbol? Seems a bit presumptuous to me when clearly several of those who fall into the category were NOT christians. I think it should be replaced with a more religiously inconsequential/unrelated symbol like an asterisk. -- Deglr6328 08:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
January 7th User:JStone added Nancy Sherlock to the list. Nancy Sherlock is the same person as Nancy Currie with the full name of Nancy Jane Sherlock Currie. Sherlock was her maiden name and she married David Currie. Does anyone know if Nancy is divorced and has dropped the Currie ? How do we deal with the women's maiden names in the future? The Frenchwoman Claudie Haigneré flew her first mission as Claudie André-Deshays on Soyuz TM-24 in 1997 to MIR, and later as Claudie Haigneré on Soyuz TM-33 in 2002 to MIR, after her marriage with Jean-Pierre Haigneré.-- Necessary Evil 23:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Roger B. Chaffee, who haven't been in space, is now on the list. Challenger's last pilot;
Michael J. Smith should therefore be on the list too.
Jake Garn and
Bill Nelson flew of political reasons, so did the
Intercosmos cosmonauts. They should be removed too.
Necessary Evil
21:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
It looks like Mike Barratt is missing from the list:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/barratt-mr.html but I'm not sure how to add to the list.
Alex, 15 September 2007 —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
98.196.239.33 (
talk)
01:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Helen Sharman is not listed here (yet):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Sharman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.106.32.127 ( talk) 20:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC).
Is the fact that a few space travellers may not have been professional astronauts sufficient reason to maintain both List of astronauts by name and List of space travelers by name? Either the "tourists" could be flagged in the one list with some graphical device, or, perhaps even better, a separate list of non-professionals could be compiled. It seems to me like an awful lot of unnecessary duplication the way it is right now... Matt 20:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Correction, Acada has now flown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:4C80:A234:9D58:52C2:AA9F:2ED9 ( talk) 21:53, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
This proposal clearly has no support, so I have removed the templates. Matt 01:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I noticed that on this page (and on List of space travelers by name) there is no definition, what the flags next to the persons' names mean. Is it obvious? In most cases yes, in a few cases not at all. While it is clear that one person is US American and the other person is Russian, things can get complex when it comes to people who changed countries or countries that split or united. The absence of the definition has already caused discussions here and there. I think we need a definition and it should be noted on the page, in order to avoid unnecessary edits. My proposal: The flags denote the nationality (or the nationalities) of the person at the time of the flight. In case of several nationalities (either parallel or serial) we need several flags. So some examples:
I think the example of Jähn shows that the inclusion of previous or later nationalities leads to a confusing pattern of flags. Let's keep it simple and clear. Any comments or other proposals? -- Asdert 18:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
If this list is to include all astronauts, whether they have flown in space or not, then why does it include (e.g.) Sigmund Jähn but not his backup, Eberhard Köllner? For that matter, why doesn't it include Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor, and his backup Faiz Khaleed, the Angkasawan cosmonauts? Their position doesn't differ in any great respect from that of the Intercosmos cosmonauts. RandomCritic 13:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Come on, do we really need those little Venus signs to denote that the astronaut in question was female? May as well have Mars ones too. Plus the ethnicity of all of them, as that seems to be important as well. But apparently only if they're not white. 130.56.71.50 ( talk) 05:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't have any problem with an indication of gender, with two provisos. First, there should be some indication of the intended meaning; as it is now it may be mysterious to some readers. Second, it needs to be applied consistently; I know that K. Megan McArthur is female, but she has no symbol by her name. There may well be others missing. 170.140.151.65 ( talk) 22:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the opening comment. The gender symbols are unnecessary. I don't see them used in other Wikipedia people lists. I vote for deletion. ShelbyBell ( talk) 00:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I like the indication of gender, with some reservations. Can we just have a word or letter, instead of a symbol, and can we apply it to male astronauts as well? I don't want to be all over-sensitive and stuff, but -- while it is true that the majority of astronauts have been males, and will be for some time, it might be better to not imply that astronauts in general are male. The choice of labeling only female astronauts (as exceptions to a pattern) would seem to create and reinforce that implication. The choice of pink is also difficult to read, and placing a small image next to an item in a list is not necessarily present in all browsers -- that is, there may be accessibility issues. Labeling male astronauts would also be more consistent, building on one of the comments above. Proposal: Yes to indicator of gender, No to just labeling females, No to using an image (use words instead). Niceoboe ( talk) 17:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
This article needs tougher guidelines on who is to be counted as an 'astronaut', and those guidelines need to be enforced consistently -- in going through the list, I'm seeing several people who were only "scientists, politicians, journalists, and tourists" at the time of their spaceflight. Also very unclear is the status of "commercial astronauts" -- the term seems to be a creation of the companies involved, and need not imply any degree of training comparable to that given by NASA or Roskosmos or the ESA or JAXA. Rather, the status is contingent upon flights above a certain altitude, and so corresponds to WP's usage of the term "space traveler". Payload specialists and "spaceflight participants" are other gray areas. RandomCritic ( talk) 17:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC) Agreed at the minimum there needs to be a denotation such as an asterisk to indicate if someone has not flown in space — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moneya ( talk • contribs) 17:17, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I am wondering whether there is any reason why there are pictures of some but not other astronauts. my concern is that they are making the ones with pictures seem more important — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moneya ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
The name of the article itself should be changed to reflect that this is a list of professional astronauts rather than listing it in the first paragraph. Because this article is a list, people may arrive at the page and skip straight to finding the name of an individual and miss the qualification which is made in the lead. The distinction is not made in conversational usage, nor is it a widespread understanding. Penyulap talk 04:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
208.107.74.4 removed the female markings because he or she felt that "No need for a distinction of female astronauts. Either have both male and female marked or none at all." This is not a minor edit, and should be discussed here first. --Regards, Necessary Evil ( talk) 18:33, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Bjarni Tryggvason was born in Iceland so shouldn't the Icelandic flag be besides his name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.190.119.71 ( talk) 18:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I understand that this subject has already been addressed, but I am resurrecting this in a new thread. I entirely agree with 130.56.71.50, who stated that it is unfair that only females have gender denoted here. While knowing that yes, the majority of astronauts are male, that is true of a lot of professions. If we had a list of doctors on Wikipedia (which there probably is), would we exclusively indicate females there? How about police officers? Even if there would be, this is just really sexist. There's another list of astronauts (well, space travelers, but still) almost identical to this one, and the male symbols are indicated there, so why shouldn't they be here, if they can't be removed entirely? I don't really think they should be there at all, because it implies that gender matters when it comes to performance under extreme conditions, which, of course, IT DOES NOT. (I'm probably biased here, but that is a moot point.) But if there just has to be the gender indication there, they should definitely be used for both sexes. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 01:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
I take issue with the bolding of certain names. It has been explained as an indication of who set foot on the Moon, but I find it discriminatory: the end result is a list emphasizing Americans, downplaying the pioneering contribution of other, non-American astronauts, like Yuri Gagarin, for instance. Moon-landing is a cherry-picked criterion for emphasis, and I suggest the removal of any merit-based emphasis on this list. The readers can find all the details of an astronaut's career in their pages. In my view, being the first person in space beats walking on the Moon. Heck, even being the first dog in space does. -- Edwin Pixley ( talk) 10:13, 11 May 2021 (UTC)