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Hey guys any help would be fantastic. I also refer to developing stronger restrictions. -- Spud85 14:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I've started on the war time films, in table format. Eventually I think the whole thing should go to table, but not quite yet. I have tried to be discrminating in what I list, excluding spy films, documenties, shorts, and cartoons, and leaving it to feature narritive films. OK with ya'll?-- Dudeman5685 04:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I getting into a bit of a crisis of conscience as to what to include under films made during the war. I had already said that I would exclude spy films, or things that do not directly concern the war, however the line is difficult to draw. On the one hand films made during the war, but not technically speaking, "war" films include things like Caseblanca or Rosie the Riveter, which have a degree of artistic and historical value, even though they are about spies or the Home Front.
On th other, I don't want somebody adding Indiana Jones to the list on this basis. Perhaps it would be better to create another list for movies made during the war?-- Dudeman5685 19:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- You did a very good job, Dudeman ! Adding the films made during the war is in a way "our duty" =) In my opinion, this page has to list all the films related to World War II (made during and after the war), including :
I have added links to an actual copy of the actual film where they are available, as a convenient way of people accessing it.
- "pure" war films - films about the causes and the consequences of the war (like Germania anno zero) - films related to an important personnality of the war - films about the Holocaust - spy / resistance films
I don't totally agree with this part of your contribution :
" Excludes non-fictional documenteries, shorts and animation. "
There are animation films who are strongly related to war (Hotaru no haka, or Der Fuehrer's Face during the war) and who should be considered "films" too! Also, non-fictional documentaries could be interesting .. but maybe in another section (List of WW2 related footages ?)
I agree that the Indiana Jones have not really something to do with the war .. It's quite difficult to define in which category each film need to be put, and if they really belong to this section. If you want to discuss which films you want to put or to erase, let's go !^^ --
Kakihara2046
15:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I've begun the prelimenries for the official alleid propaganda here List of Allied Propaganda Films of World War 2, and I'll start another one for the Holocaust films eventually, once that is done.-- Dudeman5685 04:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Three possible additions to the list are Hope_and_Glory, Empire_of_the_Sun and Merry_Christmas,_Mr._Lawrence The first is set in blitz era london, the second two are set in WW2 detention camps. Mark1512 00:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Documentaries like Sinimäed and especially Surnupealuu Sõdurid contain many played scenes, is it right to exclude them? Then we should delete also non-fictional documentaries like The Lion Has Wings. DJ Sturm ( talk) 19:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I added the flags of the respective countries of origin for the films discussed. No real reason, just thought it would add a little color.-- Dudeman5685 01:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Ionly used the Olympic flags because they were the only place I knew were to get them. I might have to use them again for the correct WWII era Italian flag, with the Savoy shield.-- Dudeman5685 20:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Why was 1976's "The Eagle has Landed" excluded from this list? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.171.240.63 ( talk) 14:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
I was looking at the list you introduced and I thought the Flag idea is great. Despite the fact that most of the movies introduced are american, the idea of creating such a list if very good. There is however something bugging me : why French movies are forgotten so much ? What about all the Clement's movies (even if one is close to propaganda), Melville's movies, Costa-Gavras, Ophuls, Malle ? There are a lot of movies about the second world war in French movie's history and I am a bit surprised that almost none are introduced in this article. If you need some help, I would be glad to participate.
I believe that the 1944 film The Purple Heart should be on this list. -- 72.90.130.253 ( talk) 01:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is profoundly hypocritical if the "Indiana Jones" films (Raiders & Last Crusade) are not included here while so many other films of an utterly fictional nature have made it in. Just have a critical look for yourself. Lifeboat? The Guns of Navarone? Von Ryan's Express? Where Eagles Dare? Kelly's Heroes? The Eagle Has Landed? Return to Never Land? Hart's War? Casablanca? I could just go on and on. While these films are indeed wonderful films, they are ultimately just as fictional as any of the Indiana Jones films and have just as much to do the actual real war as Indie does. Ultimately most are just action films which have WWII as a backdrop. Indiana Jones is the same thing. My suggestion is to either start scrutinizing this list more, or accept any and all films that have some connection to WWII and be done with it. I quote from the article, "Below is an incomplete list of full-length films to feature or partly feature events of World War II in the narrative.", according to that vague terminology, why would any of the films I have previously listed deserve acceptance, but not "Indie"? You can't exclude "Raiders" or "Last Crusade", and keep "Guns of Navarone", "Where Eagles Dare", and "Kelly's Heroes". If you can make an argument against that statement, I'd like to hear it. Trippz ( talk) 17:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm a big fan of Indy, but none of his movies actually take place during the war itself. The others that are fictional, Lifeboat, The Guns of Navarone, do take place during the war. While fictional they portrayl actual event. The Indiana Jones movies, though they feature Nazis looking for rare artifacts, some what like the Ahnenerbe, do not portray many real historic events, and none of them during the war itself. I did not write the current quote "Below is an incomplete list of full-length films to feature or partly feature events of World War II in the narrative." though I did write a distict ancestor a few years ago.-- Dudeman5685 ( talk) 16:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The page is using the Alaska-Hawaii flag on films which predate that period.
Not noticeable at this scale, but if someone clicks on the icon ...
Varlaam ( talk) 17:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I notice that They Were Not Divided appears in this article in the 1949 'Year' section. In the film's article it states 'March, 1950'. Does 'Year' refer to the year or years of production (the latter might be more relevant to recent films), or the year of first release, or something slse? RASAM ( talk) 22:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't The Great Dictator be here ? I think it's clearly a World War II film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.144.88.43 ( talk) 21:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I think we should have a similar list for documentaries about WWII. I'll start one soon at List of World War II documentary films; feel free too contribute. Jmj713 ( talk) 14:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
The page has a number of pre-1991 films marked Estonia,
when those of course are Soviet films made in the
Estonian SSR.
This page is not the place to rewrite the history of the 20th century.
Varlaam (
talk)
17:06, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Why can't there be a companion page for List of World War II short films,
for Blitz Wolf, and Donald Duck, and Japoteurs, and Russian Rhapsody,
and
Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips?
Varlaam (
talk)
17:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Possibly World War II-inspired TV series are not listed anywhere at present. The British, the Americans, the Russians, they've all made them. Maybe other countries too. There's an Iranian one I've seen.
Rat Patrol was one of my favourite shows when I was a kid, with its token Commonwealth character.
I personally would be reluctant to find further reasons to expand the current list.
I am thinking in terms of an independent list,
List of World War II TV series.
What say you?
Varlaam (
talk)
17:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Adding a picture to this article is a great suggestion.
All those with free images, one pace forward.
I have now added the only free image I can find.
Varlaam (
talk)
21:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi there, I just stumbled across the article List of World War I films and it's somewhat lacking... in that it currently lists one film. All Quiet on the Western Front... Passchendaele... There. This discussion page is now twice as useful as the actual article. It's not an area where I have any particular expertise, but I assume there's someone out there who might be able to lend a hand. Thanks. Gpollock ( talk) 20:23, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I have read that there are lots of films of Korean Communists fighting the Japanese, but the list has none so far.
Varlaam (
talk)
11:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
The Internet Archive has a number of these movies on their site, that are in the public domain. I have added the links where this is the case, as a convenient way of people seeing the actual movie. Seemed to make more sense than making another list, and what better can you add to a description of a movie than the easy ability to actually see it for yourself! Deathlibrarian ( talk) 09:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I would like to bring up consideration of the 2008 film The Reader for removal from this list. Despite my love for the film, it does not meet the criteria for a WWII film. No part of the movie, at any time, takes place during the years of the war. The only connection to WWII is Kate Winslet's character's trial in the middle of the film. Also, there are some thematic elements that concern World War II, but other than that, this doesn't feel much like a World War II film. Removal? I'm open to any discussion on the issue… Tron55555 ( talk) 12:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
This page is intended to be brief. It is intended to be an index to other articles with full detail.
This page does not have a "Plot" column.
It has a "Battles, campaigns, events depicted" column.
This page is supposed to read:
Battle of Stalingrad
If it says:
Film depicting the Battle of Stalingrad
or
Soldiers fighting at the Battle of Stalingrad during World War II
neither of those adds anything, other than verbiage.
Both can simply read:
Battle of Stalingrad
This page is reductionist in order to be manageable. This page is currently 10 times the optimum size of a Wikipedia page.
If you want to provide a lot more information, then please add it to the existing full article, or create any missing article.
Thanks, Varlaam ( talk) 16:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
As I noted somewhere above, there are said to be North Korean WWII films. They are said to be propaganda, but there are supposed to be lots of them.
As of today, there are no Bulgarian language films and only 3 in Hungarian. I imagine there must be more than that, right?
As we have seen in recent months on this page, the Filipinos made lots and lots of WWII films, but their visibility in Anglophonia has historically been low. Is there another country like that? What about Thailand? Did the Burmese make movies?
An unresolved issue mentioned above somewhere is the dramatized documentary and what to do about them. Countries with smaller budgets, like mine, tend to make them. How should they be handled?
They can be of feature length but they don't have the characterizations or sets you expect from a "movie" and they stop the action for an interview with a veteran who was there. It's like merging the documentary interviews at the end of Band of Brothers into the main episodes of the series, and then shooting the episodes with a single actor on a darkened soundstage.
Varlaam (
talk)
18:21, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
The Lead section states: this is an incomplete list of fictional feature films... It's incomplete. Even if one editor devoted his whole time to just this article, I don't know that it would ever be complete. People add films as they can. When it comes to "dramatized documentary", I think, what is the emphasis, the drama or the documentary? Many dramatizations have gone on the list, but no straight documentaries. Boneyard90 ( talk) 21:21, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
An example of this genre that many readers of this page may have seen would be
The Road to Guantanamo. It's a documentary, which includes interviews with the three principals involved, but then there are re-enactments where (younger) actors play the three principals.
Varlaam (
talk)
19:19, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I agree that that tag is accurate.
But I think this page should move in the direction of fewer links, rather than resolving the ambiguous ones.
I don't think this page should be linking things like:
and so on, simply given the nature of the page.
There are a lot of links here to
Occupation of Country Name.
Do we want to have a section at the top of the page which just gives a list of common subjects frequently mentioned on the page, like:
Then we don't have to be constantly linking that, and making mistakes when we link it.
Varlaam (
talk)
19:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
The crux of the matter is that the definition of "World War 2" movie is too elastic: "feature films or miniseries which feature events of World War II in the narrative."
I would argue that, at the moment, this article breaches Wikipedia guidelines by being largely a product of original research. For that reason, we're constantly running into the problem of whether or not a film meets the criteria.
So, I suggest we define the genre, "World War 2 film" by a specific term used elsewhere by a respected organisation or organizations, as is the purpose of Wikipedia. The truth is, there's probably unlikely to be consensus on this matter either, and frankly I'm beginning to feel that a list such as this may not even have a genuine place on Wikipedia. But I'm getting ahead of myself…
Here's what I propose: we first of all determine a list of reliable organisations who may have already defined the term, "World War 2 film". If those organisations have, using this definition, already formed a list of films, these should form the primary content of this article. If a list is not provided but a "tag" is provided allowing the forming of such a list, this should form the secondary content of this article.
That seems like a pretty good foundation - agreed?
Edrarsoric (
talk)
10:55, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
This is a very good and needful article, and I've contributed to it in the past, but we need to think of a way of reducing the size. It's way too big, I think. Jmj713 ( talk) 18:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I think one good way to reduce the size would be to excise the description of each film. I don't think it's necessary. A user can always go to the film's article to see what it's about. Jmj713 ( talk) 19:37, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes, splitting it into two or more articles would probably be best. Jmj713 ( talk) 16:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Found one, apparently.
bg:Черните ангели.
Black Angels, my translation of the Bulgarian.
How did I find this? Easy. It's listed on the Russian version of this page.
It's still necessary to confirm the subject matter, but you've got a Bulgarian text, and a Russian text, to read over.
(And an IMDb link, if you want.)
Varlaam (
talk)
18:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Our References section right now is full of claims like that.
I personally think those are interesting, if true. I added none of those statements.
Those need citations before a deletionist who thinks every uncited statement is a lie arrives and starts deleting them.
If the main pages for these films also make these claims, then the main pages require citations as well.
Varlaam (
talk)
17:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I will state the conventions I have been using to sort this page, since there are many readers who are not native speakers, or alphabetizers, of English.
Rules 1, 2, and 3 together mean that Don Gabriel sorts before Don't ... because G precedes T.
Other considerations:
This page does not have this as an issue, so no convention has been established for this case. The issue is, Does McHale precede or follow Mackenzie? Older people – like me – say McHale precedes here, since H precedes K.
Before the creation of two columns for titles, an existing issue was how to handle foreign language leading articles, like "Le" (French) or "Der" (German). No convention has been established in the Original Language column.
In cases where a foreign language article has been naturalized as English, e.g., Das Boot, then that article becomes a normal English word, so Das Boot sorts as D, not B.
Did I explain this matter reasonably? Varlaam ( talk) 17:46, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be some kind of spam on this page. In three "original title" boxes (for the movies Mother of Mine (2005), Beyond the Front Line (2004) and All Things Fair) there is a shocking animated gif that doesn't have it's place at all in this page. I don't know how to remove it, could someone please do it? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.178.195.182 ( talk) 11:56, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
I have had a cursory look over my copy of Halliwell's Film Guide, 1981. In the U's, I found these:
The only one I have ever seen is Up in Arms, with Danny Kaye.
The list has a long way to go.
Varlaam (
talk)
16:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'm working with OCLC, and we are algorithmically generating data about different Genres, like notable Authors, Book, Movies, Subjects, Characters and Places. We have determined that this Wikipedia page has a close affintity to our detected Genere of war-films. It might be useful to look at [2] for more information. Thanks. Maximilianklein ( talk) 00:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
In case anyone is wondering, Sons and Daughters in a Time of Storm (traditional: 風雲兒女; simplified: 风云儿女; pinyin: Fēngyǔn érnǔ) is the anti-Japanese film featuring March of the Volunteers (traditional: 義勇軍進行曲; simplified: 义勇军进行曲; pinyin: Yìyǒngjūn Jìnxíngqǔ), the patriotic song from China's War Against Japan, which became the national anthem of the People's Republic of China in 1949. However, the film itself was released in 1935, two years before the war officially began, and the plot of the film actually refers to Chinese resistance against Japanese control over the international settlement in Shanghai at the time. Other films from this period, such as Street Angel (1937) (traditional: 馬路天使; simplified: 马路天使; pinyin: Mǎlù Tiānshǐ) also highlight Japanese aggression against China or the effect of this aggression has on Chinese civilians.
The Chinese film industry produced almost no films about the Chinese war effort during the war itself, as most Chinese cities, including most of Shanghai, were under Japanese occupation by 1938. Nevertheless, the Chinese did produce a few films such as Princess Iron Fan (1941) (simplified: 铁扇公主; traditional: 鐵扇公主; pinyin: Tiěshàn Gōngzhǔ), which used stories from Chinese history and mythology to celebrate resistance against foreign aggression, but without directly mentioning the Japanese.
winstonho0805 ( talk) 14:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Soviet/Russians alone crap out 400 films on WW2 http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%BE_%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B5 It's like the most important thing, teh Holy War Священна явойна.
Russians and WW2 is worse than jews with their holocost (only 150 films). Actually, it's the Soviet who created the whole mythology, gave the impulse to the whole damned thing. -- 184.161.152.198 ( talk) 20:45, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hey guys any help would be fantastic. I also refer to developing stronger restrictions. -- Spud85 14:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I've started on the war time films, in table format. Eventually I think the whole thing should go to table, but not quite yet. I have tried to be discrminating in what I list, excluding spy films, documenties, shorts, and cartoons, and leaving it to feature narritive films. OK with ya'll?-- Dudeman5685 04:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I getting into a bit of a crisis of conscience as to what to include under films made during the war. I had already said that I would exclude spy films, or things that do not directly concern the war, however the line is difficult to draw. On the one hand films made during the war, but not technically speaking, "war" films include things like Caseblanca or Rosie the Riveter, which have a degree of artistic and historical value, even though they are about spies or the Home Front.
On th other, I don't want somebody adding Indiana Jones to the list on this basis. Perhaps it would be better to create another list for movies made during the war?-- Dudeman5685 19:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- You did a very good job, Dudeman ! Adding the films made during the war is in a way "our duty" =) In my opinion, this page has to list all the films related to World War II (made during and after the war), including :
I have added links to an actual copy of the actual film where they are available, as a convenient way of people accessing it.
- "pure" war films - films about the causes and the consequences of the war (like Germania anno zero) - films related to an important personnality of the war - films about the Holocaust - spy / resistance films
I don't totally agree with this part of your contribution :
" Excludes non-fictional documenteries, shorts and animation. "
There are animation films who are strongly related to war (Hotaru no haka, or Der Fuehrer's Face during the war) and who should be considered "films" too! Also, non-fictional documentaries could be interesting .. but maybe in another section (List of WW2 related footages ?)
I agree that the Indiana Jones have not really something to do with the war .. It's quite difficult to define in which category each film need to be put, and if they really belong to this section. If you want to discuss which films you want to put or to erase, let's go !^^ --
Kakihara2046
15:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I've begun the prelimenries for the official alleid propaganda here List of Allied Propaganda Films of World War 2, and I'll start another one for the Holocaust films eventually, once that is done.-- Dudeman5685 04:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Three possible additions to the list are Hope_and_Glory, Empire_of_the_Sun and Merry_Christmas,_Mr._Lawrence The first is set in blitz era london, the second two are set in WW2 detention camps. Mark1512 00:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Documentaries like Sinimäed and especially Surnupealuu Sõdurid contain many played scenes, is it right to exclude them? Then we should delete also non-fictional documentaries like The Lion Has Wings. DJ Sturm ( talk) 19:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I added the flags of the respective countries of origin for the films discussed. No real reason, just thought it would add a little color.-- Dudeman5685 01:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Ionly used the Olympic flags because they were the only place I knew were to get them. I might have to use them again for the correct WWII era Italian flag, with the Savoy shield.-- Dudeman5685 20:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Why was 1976's "The Eagle has Landed" excluded from this list? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.171.240.63 ( talk) 14:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
I was looking at the list you introduced and I thought the Flag idea is great. Despite the fact that most of the movies introduced are american, the idea of creating such a list if very good. There is however something bugging me : why French movies are forgotten so much ? What about all the Clement's movies (even if one is close to propaganda), Melville's movies, Costa-Gavras, Ophuls, Malle ? There are a lot of movies about the second world war in French movie's history and I am a bit surprised that almost none are introduced in this article. If you need some help, I would be glad to participate.
I believe that the 1944 film The Purple Heart should be on this list. -- 72.90.130.253 ( talk) 01:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is profoundly hypocritical if the "Indiana Jones" films (Raiders & Last Crusade) are not included here while so many other films of an utterly fictional nature have made it in. Just have a critical look for yourself. Lifeboat? The Guns of Navarone? Von Ryan's Express? Where Eagles Dare? Kelly's Heroes? The Eagle Has Landed? Return to Never Land? Hart's War? Casablanca? I could just go on and on. While these films are indeed wonderful films, they are ultimately just as fictional as any of the Indiana Jones films and have just as much to do the actual real war as Indie does. Ultimately most are just action films which have WWII as a backdrop. Indiana Jones is the same thing. My suggestion is to either start scrutinizing this list more, or accept any and all films that have some connection to WWII and be done with it. I quote from the article, "Below is an incomplete list of full-length films to feature or partly feature events of World War II in the narrative.", according to that vague terminology, why would any of the films I have previously listed deserve acceptance, but not "Indie"? You can't exclude "Raiders" or "Last Crusade", and keep "Guns of Navarone", "Where Eagles Dare", and "Kelly's Heroes". If you can make an argument against that statement, I'd like to hear it. Trippz ( talk) 17:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm a big fan of Indy, but none of his movies actually take place during the war itself. The others that are fictional, Lifeboat, The Guns of Navarone, do take place during the war. While fictional they portrayl actual event. The Indiana Jones movies, though they feature Nazis looking for rare artifacts, some what like the Ahnenerbe, do not portray many real historic events, and none of them during the war itself. I did not write the current quote "Below is an incomplete list of full-length films to feature or partly feature events of World War II in the narrative." though I did write a distict ancestor a few years ago.-- Dudeman5685 ( talk) 16:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The page is using the Alaska-Hawaii flag on films which predate that period.
Not noticeable at this scale, but if someone clicks on the icon ...
Varlaam ( talk) 17:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I notice that They Were Not Divided appears in this article in the 1949 'Year' section. In the film's article it states 'March, 1950'. Does 'Year' refer to the year or years of production (the latter might be more relevant to recent films), or the year of first release, or something slse? RASAM ( talk) 22:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't The Great Dictator be here ? I think it's clearly a World War II film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.144.88.43 ( talk) 21:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I think we should have a similar list for documentaries about WWII. I'll start one soon at List of World War II documentary films; feel free too contribute. Jmj713 ( talk) 14:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
The page has a number of pre-1991 films marked Estonia,
when those of course are Soviet films made in the
Estonian SSR.
This page is not the place to rewrite the history of the 20th century.
Varlaam (
talk)
17:06, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Why can't there be a companion page for List of World War II short films,
for Blitz Wolf, and Donald Duck, and Japoteurs, and Russian Rhapsody,
and
Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips?
Varlaam (
talk)
17:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Possibly World War II-inspired TV series are not listed anywhere at present. The British, the Americans, the Russians, they've all made them. Maybe other countries too. There's an Iranian one I've seen.
Rat Patrol was one of my favourite shows when I was a kid, with its token Commonwealth character.
I personally would be reluctant to find further reasons to expand the current list.
I am thinking in terms of an independent list,
List of World War II TV series.
What say you?
Varlaam (
talk)
17:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Adding a picture to this article is a great suggestion.
All those with free images, one pace forward.
I have now added the only free image I can find.
Varlaam (
talk)
21:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi there, I just stumbled across the article List of World War I films and it's somewhat lacking... in that it currently lists one film. All Quiet on the Western Front... Passchendaele... There. This discussion page is now twice as useful as the actual article. It's not an area where I have any particular expertise, but I assume there's someone out there who might be able to lend a hand. Thanks. Gpollock ( talk) 20:23, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I have read that there are lots of films of Korean Communists fighting the Japanese, but the list has none so far.
Varlaam (
talk)
11:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
The Internet Archive has a number of these movies on their site, that are in the public domain. I have added the links where this is the case, as a convenient way of people seeing the actual movie. Seemed to make more sense than making another list, and what better can you add to a description of a movie than the easy ability to actually see it for yourself! Deathlibrarian ( talk) 09:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I would like to bring up consideration of the 2008 film The Reader for removal from this list. Despite my love for the film, it does not meet the criteria for a WWII film. No part of the movie, at any time, takes place during the years of the war. The only connection to WWII is Kate Winslet's character's trial in the middle of the film. Also, there are some thematic elements that concern World War II, but other than that, this doesn't feel much like a World War II film. Removal? I'm open to any discussion on the issue… Tron55555 ( talk) 12:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
This page is intended to be brief. It is intended to be an index to other articles with full detail.
This page does not have a "Plot" column.
It has a "Battles, campaigns, events depicted" column.
This page is supposed to read:
Battle of Stalingrad
If it says:
Film depicting the Battle of Stalingrad
or
Soldiers fighting at the Battle of Stalingrad during World War II
neither of those adds anything, other than verbiage.
Both can simply read:
Battle of Stalingrad
This page is reductionist in order to be manageable. This page is currently 10 times the optimum size of a Wikipedia page.
If you want to provide a lot more information, then please add it to the existing full article, or create any missing article.
Thanks, Varlaam ( talk) 16:44, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
As I noted somewhere above, there are said to be North Korean WWII films. They are said to be propaganda, but there are supposed to be lots of them.
As of today, there are no Bulgarian language films and only 3 in Hungarian. I imagine there must be more than that, right?
As we have seen in recent months on this page, the Filipinos made lots and lots of WWII films, but their visibility in Anglophonia has historically been low. Is there another country like that? What about Thailand? Did the Burmese make movies?
An unresolved issue mentioned above somewhere is the dramatized documentary and what to do about them. Countries with smaller budgets, like mine, tend to make them. How should they be handled?
They can be of feature length but they don't have the characterizations or sets you expect from a "movie" and they stop the action for an interview with a veteran who was there. It's like merging the documentary interviews at the end of Band of Brothers into the main episodes of the series, and then shooting the episodes with a single actor on a darkened soundstage.
Varlaam (
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18:21, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
The Lead section states: this is an incomplete list of fictional feature films... It's incomplete. Even if one editor devoted his whole time to just this article, I don't know that it would ever be complete. People add films as they can. When it comes to "dramatized documentary", I think, what is the emphasis, the drama or the documentary? Many dramatizations have gone on the list, but no straight documentaries. Boneyard90 ( talk) 21:21, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
An example of this genre that many readers of this page may have seen would be
The Road to Guantanamo. It's a documentary, which includes interviews with the three principals involved, but then there are re-enactments where (younger) actors play the three principals.
Varlaam (
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19:19, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I agree that that tag is accurate.
But I think this page should move in the direction of fewer links, rather than resolving the ambiguous ones.
I don't think this page should be linking things like:
and so on, simply given the nature of the page.
There are a lot of links here to
Occupation of Country Name.
Do we want to have a section at the top of the page which just gives a list of common subjects frequently mentioned on the page, like:
Then we don't have to be constantly linking that, and making mistakes when we link it.
Varlaam (
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19:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
The crux of the matter is that the definition of "World War 2" movie is too elastic: "feature films or miniseries which feature events of World War II in the narrative."
I would argue that, at the moment, this article breaches Wikipedia guidelines by being largely a product of original research. For that reason, we're constantly running into the problem of whether or not a film meets the criteria.
So, I suggest we define the genre, "World War 2 film" by a specific term used elsewhere by a respected organisation or organizations, as is the purpose of Wikipedia. The truth is, there's probably unlikely to be consensus on this matter either, and frankly I'm beginning to feel that a list such as this may not even have a genuine place on Wikipedia. But I'm getting ahead of myself…
Here's what I propose: we first of all determine a list of reliable organisations who may have already defined the term, "World War 2 film". If those organisations have, using this definition, already formed a list of films, these should form the primary content of this article. If a list is not provided but a "tag" is provided allowing the forming of such a list, this should form the secondary content of this article.
That seems like a pretty good foundation - agreed?
Edrarsoric (
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10:55, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
This is a very good and needful article, and I've contributed to it in the past, but we need to think of a way of reducing the size. It's way too big, I think. Jmj713 ( talk) 18:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I think one good way to reduce the size would be to excise the description of each film. I don't think it's necessary. A user can always go to the film's article to see what it's about. Jmj713 ( talk) 19:37, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes, splitting it into two or more articles would probably be best. Jmj713 ( talk) 16:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Found one, apparently.
bg:Черните ангели.
Black Angels, my translation of the Bulgarian.
How did I find this? Easy. It's listed on the Russian version of this page.
It's still necessary to confirm the subject matter, but you've got a Bulgarian text, and a Russian text, to read over.
(And an IMDb link, if you want.)
Varlaam (
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18:18, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Our References section right now is full of claims like that.
I personally think those are interesting, if true. I added none of those statements.
Those need citations before a deletionist who thinks every uncited statement is a lie arrives and starts deleting them.
If the main pages for these films also make these claims, then the main pages require citations as well.
Varlaam (
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17:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I will state the conventions I have been using to sort this page, since there are many readers who are not native speakers, or alphabetizers, of English.
Rules 1, 2, and 3 together mean that Don Gabriel sorts before Don't ... because G precedes T.
Other considerations:
This page does not have this as an issue, so no convention has been established for this case. The issue is, Does McHale precede or follow Mackenzie? Older people – like me – say McHale precedes here, since H precedes K.
Before the creation of two columns for titles, an existing issue was how to handle foreign language leading articles, like "Le" (French) or "Der" (German). No convention has been established in the Original Language column.
In cases where a foreign language article has been naturalized as English, e.g., Das Boot, then that article becomes a normal English word, so Das Boot sorts as D, not B.
Did I explain this matter reasonably? Varlaam ( talk) 17:46, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be some kind of spam on this page. In three "original title" boxes (for the movies Mother of Mine (2005), Beyond the Front Line (2004) and All Things Fair) there is a shocking animated gif that doesn't have it's place at all in this page. I don't know how to remove it, could someone please do it? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.178.195.182 ( talk) 11:56, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
I have had a cursory look over my copy of Halliwell's Film Guide, 1981. In the U's, I found these:
The only one I have ever seen is Up in Arms, with Danny Kaye.
The list has a long way to go.
Varlaam (
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16:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'm working with OCLC, and we are algorithmically generating data about different Genres, like notable Authors, Book, Movies, Subjects, Characters and Places. We have determined that this Wikipedia page has a close affintity to our detected Genere of war-films. It might be useful to look at [2] for more information. Thanks. Maximilianklein ( talk) 00:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
In case anyone is wondering, Sons and Daughters in a Time of Storm (traditional: 風雲兒女; simplified: 风云儿女; pinyin: Fēngyǔn érnǔ) is the anti-Japanese film featuring March of the Volunteers (traditional: 義勇軍進行曲; simplified: 义勇军进行曲; pinyin: Yìyǒngjūn Jìnxíngqǔ), the patriotic song from China's War Against Japan, which became the national anthem of the People's Republic of China in 1949. However, the film itself was released in 1935, two years before the war officially began, and the plot of the film actually refers to Chinese resistance against Japanese control over the international settlement in Shanghai at the time. Other films from this period, such as Street Angel (1937) (traditional: 馬路天使; simplified: 马路天使; pinyin: Mǎlù Tiānshǐ) also highlight Japanese aggression against China or the effect of this aggression has on Chinese civilians.
The Chinese film industry produced almost no films about the Chinese war effort during the war itself, as most Chinese cities, including most of Shanghai, were under Japanese occupation by 1938. Nevertheless, the Chinese did produce a few films such as Princess Iron Fan (1941) (simplified: 铁扇公主; traditional: 鐵扇公主; pinyin: Tiěshàn Gōngzhǔ), which used stories from Chinese history and mythology to celebrate resistance against foreign aggression, but without directly mentioning the Japanese.
winstonho0805 ( talk) 14:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Soviet/Russians alone crap out 400 films on WW2 http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%BE_%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B5 It's like the most important thing, teh Holy War Священна явойна.
Russians and WW2 is worse than jews with their holocost (only 150 films). Actually, it's the Soviet who created the whole mythology, gave the impulse to the whole damned thing. -- 184.161.152.198 ( talk) 20:45, 29 December 2013 (UTC)