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I'm willing to consider unprotecting this article if the contributors are willing to agree about what sources will be used to substantiate whether someone is to be listed in the "Unassigned talent" section, or anywhere else in the article. First, I'd like to remind everyone of Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and also point out that Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Style guide#Sources has a list of sources and web sites that have proven reliable for professional wrestling.
Here are the main issues I see:
In fact, I'm wondering if it's even possible to prove that someone has been hired by the WWE if they haven't appeared on-air yet.
I'd like to get agreement on whether the following wrestlers should appear in the list of unassigned talent, as well as consensus on the sources:
I have no opinion and no knowledge about whether these wrestlers are WWE employees or not, and I haven't done any research. That's for you guys to determine. (Also, I may be mixing real names and screen names here. I don't know the difference -- I'm more proficient in architecture, like the difference between Richardsonian Romanesque architecture and Beaux-Arts architecture.) -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I think any talent that pwinsider.com announces (i know its not a rs, but they are about the only reliable site when it comes to hiring/firing of talent/employees), should be allowed. In the "Unassigned" section, if a rs is not given, then the non rs should be listed, with the text of "Unconfirmed" next to the individual's name.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
-- NickSparrow ( talk) 07:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the protection from this article. It doesn't look like any of you have agreed on which sources are reliable, or whether any of these particular wrestlers indeed should be listed or not listed. In other words, I'm pretty sure you people will edit war over this article again. Besides, you're spending far more time debating my protection and people's block logs than discussing improvements to the article.
I suppose I was expecting too much for a group of professional wrestling fans to agree on how to edit an article. After reading this article and this article, I have more of an insight into the minds of today's 18- to 24-year olds. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Why's it been protected again? Kala jan € ₣ 21:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I told all of you to stay away from the page. Truco said to use warnings. I said to build a consensus. NONE of you listened. I don't get what is so hard? ¿Should I say it in Spanish, amigo? I am tired. I have no words. None. ₰imon KSK 21:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This is nuts, let's show that we can work together here, people. SOME OF THIS IS A REPOST FROM ABOVE - I say use the links I provided above for the people in question. Mike Hutter, David Otunga, and Phil Shatter (Chad Lail)'s links meet the WP:PW specifications. Nick Sparrow posted a source for Jason and Johnny Riggs. The others (Byron Wilcott and Matt Walsh) still need to be discussed. Why don't we keep a section on this talk page that keeps track of them using "unacceptable" links, and when/if an acceptable one is found, they can then be added. According to [2], Dos Caras isn't coming afterall, so he can be canned completely. Agree or Disagree? I Support. Dahumorist ( talk) 21:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't mind who comments here, but most admins will probably know what this is. This protection log makes for very bad reading. I remember several months ago similar thing happening on the Sarah Palin article. Shortly after, that was put on probation. I, looking at the above, am leaning towards a possible article probation towards this article due to the amount of edit warring that is taking place. For those unaware of article probation, please see Wikipedia:General sanctions#Sanctions placed by the Wikipedia community, and for an example of it in place, see Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. D.M.N. ( talk) 21:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Why does everybody keep argueing over the page being protected and the page being blocked why don't the wikipedians block the users who are causing the vandilism instead of protecting the page and making people (Kalajan) mad. Benton Tigers 22:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
In my oppinion the occasional wrestler status of Vickie Guerrero and Jerry Lawler should be removed. They have just 1-2 wrestling matches a year and therefore they are no real wrestlers. Vickie Guerrero is the manager of Team Lay-Cool and Lawler is a color commentator. I mean with Hornswoggle I understand that he is an occasional wrestler, but not with Vickie Guerrero and Lawler. -- Hixteilchen ( talk) 23:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
I am intending this discussion to build a consensus among editors who edit this page. If, a consensus cannot be reached, and another edit war breaks out, probation will be sought. If I missed a subject, add it below the other ones. -- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Jeff Hardys contract ran out on the 32st of July, it is not clear if Hardy has signed a new one or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.16.244 ( talk) 04:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know the exact wrestlers that are being debated over signing with WWE, or being released, but the bottom line is: For signings, the only accepted reliable sources are statements made exactly by that wrestler (this can be sourced with whatever source as long as the source states "Christian Cage officially stated in an interview") or an announcement made by WWE. For releases, many can be sourced with WrestleView, WON, and PW Torch because these websites have inside information with WWE and they get the news edge on releases, but these are the only accepted sources for that (and by WWE and direct statements by that person). For FCW: they must appear on FCW, WWE/FCW must acknowledge their signing or appearance, blogs by WWE employees, and statements by that wrestler.-- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
1. Support As long as we have a set standard on what makes a reliable source, I'm fine with it. Vjmlhds 22:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
2. Oppose I hate to cause trouble here, but when it comes to developmental signings, WWE.com never does them. The only sources for them are sites like PW Torch, the newsletter, 411mania, PWInsider, Wrestleview, etc. Dahumorist ( talk) 22:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
3. Undecided If a wrestler themselves, WWE.com or a reliable source posts the hiring/firing of any wwe employee, then that should be allowed. As for the release of developmental talent, it should be placed under discussion here, if a reliable source is not posted, but pwinsider or the other newz sites post the release. We must consider this, since WWE.com does not post the release or signings of developmental talent, and we need to keep the page accurate as possiable. As I mentioned with Unassigned talent, remove the category all together. When the wrestler debuts in FCW or WWE television, then they can be added. If a accurate source, WWE.com, or the wrestler themselves (not myspace) states they have been signed to WWE and have not debuted yet, then they can be placed in "Other personnel" with the source and "Wrestler; yet to debut full time" next to their name.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 18:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
A tag team is an active duo of wrestlers who tag-team regularly, this is not an example of "Glamarella." A stable is more than a duo of people, which doesn't necessarily need to consist of wrestlers. Members should be added as they are officially stated via WWE.-- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
1. Support Fine by me. Vjmlhds 22:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
2. Support Dahumorist ( talk) 22:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
3. Support Hazardous Matt ' 22:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
4. Support (was an Oppose), Glamarella's a team, it's not that hard! Kala jan € ₣ 14:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
5. Support A team of a male/female should not be listed as a tag team unless they go after the tag team titles, or win them. Then they should be listed. A stable is 2 or more active members (managers/valets can count towards this).-- NickSparrow ( talk) 18:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
6. Support' Benton Tigers ' 21:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Inactivity of wrestlers falls under the criteria that they have not appeared on television over 3 weeks, a general average time. In addition, if they are out for other reasons they have stated or WWE has stated, that is qualified as sources.-- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
1. Tentatively Support I think 30 days is the best time frame, but in principle I agree. Vjmlhds 22:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
2. Support I agree with the above, should be 30 days. Dahumorist ( talk) 22:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
3. Support 30 days. Sometimes Creative just forgets someone's on the payroll. Hazardous Matt 22:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
4.- Support One month is 30 days right? Kala jan € ₣ 14:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
5. Support - One month. If inactive, I suggest putting: Inactive; last seen on WWE television on ........ D.M.N. ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
6. Tentatively Support I think if a superstar is not on television or wrestling at live events, then they should be considered inactive. If the wrestler fails to be seen on television within 3 weeks, but wrestled in a dark match or on the road at live events. Then it should be noted by their name.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 18:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
A wrestler belongs to the brand which WWE.com has them on, if they appear on other tv shows more regularly, like the Miz and Morrison on Raw, it is because WWE tapes ECW and Raw together and due to the "talent exchange" which is equivalent to the disbandment of the brand extension in a way.-- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
1. Support Amen. Vjmlhds 22:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
2. Support Unless of course, WWE does a brand change on television and is slacks on switching them on the roster pages. Dahumorist ( talk) 22:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
3. Support Hazardous Matt 22:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
4. Strong Support Whatever WWE says goes. Kala jan € ₣ 14:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
5. Support Whichever brand WWE.com has them listed on, it should be like that here. They can appear on all the brands due to the talent exchange agreement.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 18:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Here's an easy solution to all of our problems.
Get rid of the "unassigned talent" table.
All of these rookies are not worth the trouble of having this page locked.
I propose from now on unless there's a sourced article saying these rookies have appeared in FCW, then they are not to be included on the page, period.
Since there is too much controversy over what makes a reliable source, then let's make life easy on ourselves and don't include rookies who may or may not have signed contracts until we see them in a WWE or FCW ring or TV program.
This is getting out of hand and a hammer needs to be dropped or else this going to continue.
No TV or source showing they wrestled in the WWE system, no mention in the article, period and amen.
Vjmlhds 22:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This is the definition of employee:
An employee contributes labor and expertise to an endeavour. Employees perform the discrete activity of economic production. Of the three factors of production, employees usually provide the labour.
If the talent is unassigned and not competing, that means they have yet to begin fulfilling the labor they must do in their contracts. So if the person is not working, then they still aren't officially employed, just making checks for doing nothing. Raaggio T/ C Guest Book 02:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Whatever you decide to do with unassigned talent is fine by me, just as long as there's a set criteria.
Plus somebody needs to fix the page ASAP.
Somebody put Ricky Ortiz and Teddy Long on Smackdown so now both the SD and ECW tables are screwed up, and Victoria needs to be removed from Smackdown as she will retire after her match tonight. (WWE.com is reporting this, so it's not a spoiler).
Vjmlhds 13:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to further note some stuff regarding Low-Ki. He worked another FCW taping so he might as well be placed under their roster. He also is going by the name "Kawal" so at the very least that name change can be made. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 08:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
This Is not a reliable source but it is the only one that I found that can say anything about his return to WWE. [3] Benton Tigers 21:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Not an RS. Period. ₰imon KSK 21:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Is PW a reliable source? [4] Benton Tigers 18:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I found the official site she had the interview with confirming his return to WWE: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/66103/EXCLUSIVE-Deep-impact -- Mrrko ( talk) 01:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Wait I'm confused. This page shows Christian Cage on the WWE roster as non signed talent. Wouldnt that mean that he is back. If it does not mean that then why is it shown. Jonathanmbarnes ( talk) 04:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Well sorry. But if its not confirmed wiki admin usually will not take the time to add people who have not yet debuted on the show. Also wiki admin has told me that the Wrestler stating that he him self has signed a contract is not a reliable source since many wrestlers lie about the current status in a company. So there goes your deal with him saying that he said he is back. Jonathanmbarnes ( talk) 01:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
he's on WWE ECW (DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!)-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 02:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Hardcore Holly is now out the door (WWE.com)
Vjmlhds 00:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
(Note to an admin) On wwe.com Victoria announced she has retired from wrestling in the WWE. So she should be removed from the roster. Govvy ( talk) 15:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
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Please remove the "Hardcore Holly" row from the "Male wrestlers" section under the "Raw" main header. Holly was released from the company, see
this. Also, "Victoria" announced her retirement, and is no longer an employee. Please remove her from the "Female wrestlers" section under the "SmackDown" main header, see
her new Alumni page and the
results from her retirement episode of SmackDown. Thank you,
iMatthew //
talk // 15:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Chris Jericho needs to be removed because he was fired on Monday Night Raw last week, and Victoria needs to be removed from the Divas because she retired after last night's Friday Night Smackdown, and Jeff Hardy I believe it is needs to be put as out of action for now due to a pyrotechnics accident on last night's friday night smackdown. -- Chrismaster1 ( talk) 18:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Well you must learn a thing or two from Wikipedia for the professional wrestling. Chris Jericho will be never fired. That was in kayfabe and probably he will return like Undertaker did. -- Pavlen ( talk) 18:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Jerico got fired and got his job back ages ago-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 02:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
The name of the stable on the ECW Brand consisting of William Regal, Ezekiel Jackson, and Vladimir Kozlov is The Tormentors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.122.62.216 ( talk) 02:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit baffled here. Obviously I missed the whole 'Unassigned talent' war that led to the protection but looking at the article the names in question were removed and aside from removing Holly and Victoria, the page seems to be in order. So can't the page be unprotected with the idea that all future 'unassigned talent' won't be added to the page if their signing is in doubt, until they pop up in FCW or wherever they're going to be placed? If we can figure out the Active/Inactive issues, this seems a lot easier to fix doesn't it? In fact I think it already has been so what's the deal? Hot Stuff International ( talk) 19:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Based on some of the consensus above, I've created an FAQ page, which is linked from the top. I urge all editors to read it. I've tagged some of the discussions as resolved, but one (the sources one) is unresloved as of now. D.M.N. ( talk) 21:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
[6] It has loads of non-fcw wrestlers on it. Whats with that? Do they wrestle both places? Kala jan € ₣ 21:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes some do but I think its to show that Jack Swagger is part of FCW alumini or however you spell that and that hes now a big star on ECW or something like that Adster 95 10:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please place Theodore Long and Ricky Ortiz into their proper categories. They belong in the ECW roster, and both are listed in the Smackdown roster. Thanks-- NickSparrow ( talk) 03:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Just now noticed Vickie Guerrero is no longer listed on the page anywhere. Her photo remains, but she was removed from the smackdown roster on this page. If someone could fix this. It would be greatly appreciated.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 03:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
[7] Kalajan found a link. Looks official? If you all agree, then I will add a edit request for it to be puut in the article. Simon \\ c</small> Yes we can! 19:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm just reposting the sources I found for the questionably signed talents. I think it's best to leave this section here on the talk page until reliable sources are found.
Here are the wrestlers in question. If/When I have found a reliable source, we should add them:
Chris Raaber - http://rajah.com/base/node/15095
Johnny Riggs has been appearing in FCW as Dylan Klein. His MySpace profile pic was taken at an FCW show (he's being managed by Wesley Holiday). I'm not sure what more confirmation is needed, which is why I posted here first rather than edit the actual article. -- James Duggan 05:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Byron Wilcott wrestled at tonight's FCW taping. [8] -- James Duggan 04:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Here are the results from the latest FCW TV taping. Here is a list of the new names in FCW: Tank Mulligan, Brian Jossie, Paul Lloyd, Tristan Delta, and Mike Hutter. We know Brian Jossie is signed, and Mike Hutter is one of the names above that was unconfirmed, though tonight confirms it. The other names I've never heard before. Some of them could be new names for existing wrestlers as Ian Richardson and PJ Black are now going under new names. I'll try and get confirmation on who's who. -- James Duggan 06:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Here's a Google search for "David Otunga WWE". Are any of these reliable enough to place Otunga on the roster? Also, here's a FloridaIndies.com thread saying that Otunga has appeared in an FCW ring. -- James Duggan 22:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
According to the leaked Raw Script from March 2nd, Fifita is under contract, but not Raaber. -- James Duggan 01:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like to request editor 76.206.63.198 be blocked.
He keeps moving wrestlers to Smackdown just for the hell of it.
This is repeated vandalism, and it needs to stop.
Thank You.
Vjmlhds 21:42, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Are they a team? They probably are because if not why would Henry attack Hardy if he's currently feuding with Finlay? Yes I know... confirmation blablabla - Kala jan €· ₣ 16:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so why is it that every freakin' time someone teams up, you ignore the rules and ask if they are a team anyways? -- Kaizer13 ( talk) 21:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I want to make my case for Shane McMahon being on the active list so there's no misunderstandings.
In the current storyline, Shane's not here to be GM or authority figure, he's here specifically to kick Randy Orton's @$$ for kicking Vince in the head.
This equates to Jeff Jarrett's feud with Kurt Angle in TNA, where JJ stepped down from the front office so he could concentrate on dealing with Angle.
Since this current feud will be a focal point on Raw for the time being (with a PPV match no doubt in the works), leave Shane-O up on the active list till it dies down.
Thank You.
Vjmlhds 05:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Why aren't they on the ECW tag team list any more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrpengo88 ( talk • contribs) 00:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I suppose, but finlay is managed by hornswoggle, so maybe the "tag teams" section should be changed to "tag teams and management teams". User:Mrpengo88
I think it should be changed to just teams-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 02:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
He only wrestled one match and this says his profile page was removed [9] Pills 4 22:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Simply go to WWE.Com and check their Superstars section. If Kizarny's profile has been removed, then it should be notated next to his name that he's currently wrestling in FCW he's worked the last few set of tapings. If it hasn't, he stays listed under the Smackdown brand. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 00:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
His SmackDown profile is back up [10]. -- James Duggan 00:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Was he Released-- Dcheagle ( talk) 05:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Beth is listed as Santino's valet. When was the last time Santino wrestled? I don't think since November when he lost his IC belt to Regal. I think it's more appropriate to say he is her valet. Tony2Times ( talk) 04:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Valet means female manager-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 21:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Yet U wont show me any Reference-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 03:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Umm, valet means male servant, so technically, it's been backwards all along. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.101.163.3 ( talk) 17:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Is he still with the company in some fashion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Info Fan ( talk • contribs) 00:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Who is Droz? Red Rooster 96 12:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/smackdown/2009/february15-21/9406452
That's from WWE.Com which verifies Gail has indeed re-signed with the company so she can be placed under unassigned talent until she makes her return on TV. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 04:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Dude calm the hell down first off.I doubt WWE would bother showing a training video of someone not even on their pay roll. Not to mention you're a bit behind since Hade Vansen was released last month after they scrapped his gimmick and angle after the single vignette aired.. and he was clearly under contract anyway. But whatever.. sorry I even mentioned it.. didn't know it'd piss ya off so badly. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 06:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah yes I forgot about that rule. I get what you're saying about waiting since plans could change and she might not even make it onto TV but I'd say at the moment she's under contract and at least should be put in unassigned talent. Look at Tomko.. he worked one Dark Match and hasn't been heard from since but he's still listed. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 06:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Here's the latest round of name changes made in FCW:
-Bryan Jossie is now Abraham Washington -Mike Hutter is now Derrick Bateman -Byron Willcott is now Lennox McEnroe -Paul Lloyd is now Jarred Black
Hot Stuff International ( talk) 06:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
On his own page the last match listed for DJ Gabriel is January 13. Does anyone know if he's appeared on any house shows or on ECW (I sometimes miss) as of late? If not he should be noted as currently inactive/competing in FCW. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 21:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
--DJ (w/ Alicia in tow) has been wrestling dark matches prior to the tapings for about the last month, so although he hasn't been on TV, he's still active.
Vjmlhds 23:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
As many of you may have heard, the first draft of the March 2nd Raw script has been leaked on the internet. On the second last page, it lists the various roster members. Under FCW, it lists several interesting names. One name is Tevita Fifita, Haku's son who was rumored to have been signed. Another name is Jose Torres, which I am assuming is the real name of Black Pain/Sweet Papi Sanchez. The other name is Joe Nobles, and I'm not sure who he is, but Vic Adams is not listed, so my guess is they are one in the same. -- James Duggan 01:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
It appears that this article is undergoing a major revision, with tables listing each performer's ring name, real name, and other relevant information. While I'm sure this has been discussed and I have no real problem with it, my problem lies in the current organization of the article itself. As I type this, the entire "RAW" section is blank, apparently awaiting the revised format. I think that someone ought to keep the article in its former form until the revisions are completely ready (i.e., all tables with each performer's ring name/real name/etc. have been completed), and the tables should be worked on in the sandbox (or some other place. [[ Briguy52748 ( talk) 13:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)]] (P.S. — I think at the very least, a boilerplate should be added at the top of the page alerting readers about the page undergoing a major revamping, and not removed until the task is complete).
I'll admit she did show up on Raw this week BUT why is her picture next to the other on air talen for Raw?-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 11:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Why is Vickie Guerrero the GM of Raw? I do not like her as GM and why did she choose Raw over Smackdown? I would prefer Stephanie McMahon. After all, Stephanie is a better authority figure than Vickie!
HabsMTL (
talk) 02:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
You don't talk about your opinion here--
Wwe.fana (
talk) 03:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be good if below the images of the Champions/Authority Figures, it said what title they had, or what show there the general manager of. Just a thought. Adam Penale ( talk) 10:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Leave the McMahons on the Raw page.
Vince and Shane came back from their injuries to go after the Legacy.
The McMahons vs The Legacy has been an ongoing feud since the start of the year, when Randy Orton slapped and punted Vince, then beat Shane down, and finally attacked Stephanie.
Everybody's back now, and the "war" is on now as evidenced by the end of Raw.
So leave Vince and Shane on Raw because they are part of a feud, which is arguably the main feud right now in WWE.
Vjmlhds 18:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Just a reminder that when there are roster moves such as from the draft, the sources within articles need to have their links updated, not just the external links section. I just updated them all, but I won't feel like doing it every time.
A number of sites have reported that WWE has signed Sicodelico Jr. This is because he posted pictures on his personal MySpace of him signing his papers with WWE. He will be added to the roster once he makes an appearance for FCW. In the meantime, here are the sources so far:
http://rajah.com/base/node/15757 and
http://www.myspace.com/sicodelicojr
Also, I'm going to take this opportunity to re-post a source for another supposed signing that occurred a little while ago for Chris "Bambikiller" Raaber.
http://rajah.com/base/node/15095
Dahumorist (
talk) 07:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Yet another signing is Serena Deeb. http://rajah.com/base/node/16122 Dahumorist ( talk) 16:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Gerweck.net and Wrestling Observer Newsletter report the signing of a bodybuilder named Aaron Reed. http://www.gerweck.net/news/1245966618.shtml Dahumorist ( talk) 15:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Here's another report that a guy named Ray Leppan was signed. Also, it gave the name Aaron Rodriquez as Sicoldelico's real name. Unrelated, I saw the signing of referee Shane Sewell somewhere as well. http://www.gerweck.net/news/1246313443.shtml Dahumorist ( talk) 05:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Next to Edge's name there's a note that he appears on Raw due to his feud with John Cena. I think Cena should have a similar note, statinh that he appears on Smackdown due to his feud with Edge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JWC126 ( talk • contribs) 00:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I recall her being ecw general manager, not interim. is it really? 3pointswish ( talk) 06:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Nop it was announced by Teddy Long "And New ECW interim General Manager" Adster 95 09:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Should we list Santina and Santino seperatley? MC Steel ( talk) 05:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok,I am sick and tired of everyone saying that Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas are The World's Greatest Tag Team name now.Its NOT true,they have not been called that one single time since they have reformed so STOP with putting it up that they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CentaurRULES ( talk • contribs) 17:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
That is not true, as R-Truth stated "So The World's Greatest Tag Team are back together" BUT it has not been offically stated by WWE. MC Steel ( talk) 00:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Is it true that the Undertaker is having knee surgery? Danny Boy 420 ( talk) 21:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a section for employees that are currently unassigned - e.g. Vickie Guerrero?-- Senkris ( talk) 22:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be a section which shows the superstars released over the past month, or so. So that people can know if their favorite superstars were fired or were just taking time off. I know that they can just look for their favorite superstar's name on the list, but it would be better and quicker to just compile them in one section. \:.:bibboorton:.:/ ( talk) 04:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
They're names need to be added to the Alumni section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Info Fan ( talk • contribs) 11:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
They still haven't been added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Info Fan ( talk • contribs) 16:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I have been looking at wrestling website and I couldn't find anything about Trent Beretta and Caylen Croft winning the FCW Tag Team Champion. If they are then I need to see some references. -- Wrestling-fantic ( talk) 20:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Then I think we should change it, because I even look at the tag team page and it says that Johnny Curtis and Tyler Reks are still the champion. -- Wrestling-fantic ( talk) 04:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Here's another one: http://flrankings.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=13113. -- James Duggan 00:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
All right thank you -- Wrestling-fantic ( talk) 01:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
http://flrankings.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=13156
Apparently, it turns out Kip Christianson isn't Phill Shatter (real name Chad Lail). Shatter is now working with TNA. If he's not Shatter, then who the heck is this guy? I'll update the roster to reflect that.
Also, a wrestler under the gimmick of Count Franklin Furter (someone has a cheesy sense of humor in FCW) debuted on a recent TV episode of FCW. Looking at the photo FCW has of Kip Christianson, they might be the same, but I'm not sure. FCW's website updated the talent roster, but no Furter, and Christianson is still there. -- James Duggan 22:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Forums are not reliable sources.-- Will C 01:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Checking history of the page there has been an unassigned talent section - which should be added as the page is called List of World Wrestling Entertainment employees - not List of World Wrestling Entertainment active employees -- Celtic Cross 23:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I repeat that-- Celtic Cross 15:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree there should be you are total right 82.21.192.131 ( talk) 13:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
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I'm willing to consider unprotecting this article if the contributors are willing to agree about what sources will be used to substantiate whether someone is to be listed in the "Unassigned talent" section, or anywhere else in the article. First, I'd like to remind everyone of Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and also point out that Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Style guide#Sources has a list of sources and web sites that have proven reliable for professional wrestling.
Here are the main issues I see:
In fact, I'm wondering if it's even possible to prove that someone has been hired by the WWE if they haven't appeared on-air yet.
I'd like to get agreement on whether the following wrestlers should appear in the list of unassigned talent, as well as consensus on the sources:
I have no opinion and no knowledge about whether these wrestlers are WWE employees or not, and I haven't done any research. That's for you guys to determine. (Also, I may be mixing real names and screen names here. I don't know the difference -- I'm more proficient in architecture, like the difference between Richardsonian Romanesque architecture and Beaux-Arts architecture.) -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I think any talent that pwinsider.com announces (i know its not a rs, but they are about the only reliable site when it comes to hiring/firing of talent/employees), should be allowed. In the "Unassigned" section, if a rs is not given, then the non rs should be listed, with the text of "Unconfirmed" next to the individual's name.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 05:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
-- NickSparrow ( talk) 07:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the protection from this article. It doesn't look like any of you have agreed on which sources are reliable, or whether any of these particular wrestlers indeed should be listed or not listed. In other words, I'm pretty sure you people will edit war over this article again. Besides, you're spending far more time debating my protection and people's block logs than discussing improvements to the article.
I suppose I was expecting too much for a group of professional wrestling fans to agree on how to edit an article. After reading this article and this article, I have more of an insight into the minds of today's 18- to 24-year olds. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Why's it been protected again? Kala jan € ₣ 21:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I told all of you to stay away from the page. Truco said to use warnings. I said to build a consensus. NONE of you listened. I don't get what is so hard? ¿Should I say it in Spanish, amigo? I am tired. I have no words. None. ₰imon KSK 21:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This is nuts, let's show that we can work together here, people. SOME OF THIS IS A REPOST FROM ABOVE - I say use the links I provided above for the people in question. Mike Hutter, David Otunga, and Phil Shatter (Chad Lail)'s links meet the WP:PW specifications. Nick Sparrow posted a source for Jason and Johnny Riggs. The others (Byron Wilcott and Matt Walsh) still need to be discussed. Why don't we keep a section on this talk page that keeps track of them using "unacceptable" links, and when/if an acceptable one is found, they can then be added. According to [2], Dos Caras isn't coming afterall, so he can be canned completely. Agree or Disagree? I Support. Dahumorist ( talk) 21:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't mind who comments here, but most admins will probably know what this is. This protection log makes for very bad reading. I remember several months ago similar thing happening on the Sarah Palin article. Shortly after, that was put on probation. I, looking at the above, am leaning towards a possible article probation towards this article due to the amount of edit warring that is taking place. For those unaware of article probation, please see Wikipedia:General sanctions#Sanctions placed by the Wikipedia community, and for an example of it in place, see Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation. D.M.N. ( talk) 21:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Why does everybody keep argueing over the page being protected and the page being blocked why don't the wikipedians block the users who are causing the vandilism instead of protecting the page and making people (Kalajan) mad. Benton Tigers 22:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
In my oppinion the occasional wrestler status of Vickie Guerrero and Jerry Lawler should be removed. They have just 1-2 wrestling matches a year and therefore they are no real wrestlers. Vickie Guerrero is the manager of Team Lay-Cool and Lawler is a color commentator. I mean with Hornswoggle I understand that he is an occasional wrestler, but not with Vickie Guerrero and Lawler. -- Hixteilchen ( talk) 23:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
I am intending this discussion to build a consensus among editors who edit this page. If, a consensus cannot be reached, and another edit war breaks out, probation will be sought. If I missed a subject, add it below the other ones. -- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Jeff Hardys contract ran out on the 32st of July, it is not clear if Hardy has signed a new one or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.16.244 ( talk) 04:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know the exact wrestlers that are being debated over signing with WWE, or being released, but the bottom line is: For signings, the only accepted reliable sources are statements made exactly by that wrestler (this can be sourced with whatever source as long as the source states "Christian Cage officially stated in an interview") or an announcement made by WWE. For releases, many can be sourced with WrestleView, WON, and PW Torch because these websites have inside information with WWE and they get the news edge on releases, but these are the only accepted sources for that (and by WWE and direct statements by that person). For FCW: they must appear on FCW, WWE/FCW must acknowledge their signing or appearance, blogs by WWE employees, and statements by that wrestler.-- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
1. Support As long as we have a set standard on what makes a reliable source, I'm fine with it. Vjmlhds 22:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
2. Oppose I hate to cause trouble here, but when it comes to developmental signings, WWE.com never does them. The only sources for them are sites like PW Torch, the newsletter, 411mania, PWInsider, Wrestleview, etc. Dahumorist ( talk) 22:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
3. Undecided If a wrestler themselves, WWE.com or a reliable source posts the hiring/firing of any wwe employee, then that should be allowed. As for the release of developmental talent, it should be placed under discussion here, if a reliable source is not posted, but pwinsider or the other newz sites post the release. We must consider this, since WWE.com does not post the release or signings of developmental talent, and we need to keep the page accurate as possiable. As I mentioned with Unassigned talent, remove the category all together. When the wrestler debuts in FCW or WWE television, then they can be added. If a accurate source, WWE.com, or the wrestler themselves (not myspace) states they have been signed to WWE and have not debuted yet, then they can be placed in "Other personnel" with the source and "Wrestler; yet to debut full time" next to their name.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 18:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
A tag team is an active duo of wrestlers who tag-team regularly, this is not an example of "Glamarella." A stable is more than a duo of people, which doesn't necessarily need to consist of wrestlers. Members should be added as they are officially stated via WWE.-- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
1. Support Fine by me. Vjmlhds 22:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
2. Support Dahumorist ( talk) 22:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
3. Support Hazardous Matt ' 22:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
4. Support (was an Oppose), Glamarella's a team, it's not that hard! Kala jan € ₣ 14:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
5. Support A team of a male/female should not be listed as a tag team unless they go after the tag team titles, or win them. Then they should be listed. A stable is 2 or more active members (managers/valets can count towards this).-- NickSparrow ( talk) 18:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
6. Support' Benton Tigers ' 21:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Inactivity of wrestlers falls under the criteria that they have not appeared on television over 3 weeks, a general average time. In addition, if they are out for other reasons they have stated or WWE has stated, that is qualified as sources.-- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
1. Tentatively Support I think 30 days is the best time frame, but in principle I agree. Vjmlhds 22:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
2. Support I agree with the above, should be 30 days. Dahumorist ( talk) 22:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
3. Support 30 days. Sometimes Creative just forgets someone's on the payroll. Hazardous Matt 22:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
4.- Support One month is 30 days right? Kala jan € ₣ 14:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
5. Support - One month. If inactive, I suggest putting: Inactive; last seen on WWE television on ........ D.M.N. ( talk) 17:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
6. Tentatively Support I think if a superstar is not on television or wrestling at live events, then they should be considered inactive. If the wrestler fails to be seen on television within 3 weeks, but wrestled in a dark match or on the road at live events. Then it should be noted by their name.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 18:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
A wrestler belongs to the brand which WWE.com has them on, if they appear on other tv shows more regularly, like the Miz and Morrison on Raw, it is because WWE tapes ECW and Raw together and due to the "talent exchange" which is equivalent to the disbandment of the brand extension in a way.-- Tru co 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
1. Support Amen. Vjmlhds 22:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
2. Support Unless of course, WWE does a brand change on television and is slacks on switching them on the roster pages. Dahumorist ( talk) 22:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
3. Support Hazardous Matt 22:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
4. Strong Support Whatever WWE says goes. Kala jan € ₣ 14:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
5. Support Whichever brand WWE.com has them listed on, it should be like that here. They can appear on all the brands due to the talent exchange agreement.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 18:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Here's an easy solution to all of our problems.
Get rid of the "unassigned talent" table.
All of these rookies are not worth the trouble of having this page locked.
I propose from now on unless there's a sourced article saying these rookies have appeared in FCW, then they are not to be included on the page, period.
Since there is too much controversy over what makes a reliable source, then let's make life easy on ourselves and don't include rookies who may or may not have signed contracts until we see them in a WWE or FCW ring or TV program.
This is getting out of hand and a hammer needs to be dropped or else this going to continue.
No TV or source showing they wrestled in the WWE system, no mention in the article, period and amen.
Vjmlhds 22:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This is the definition of employee:
An employee contributes labor and expertise to an endeavour. Employees perform the discrete activity of economic production. Of the three factors of production, employees usually provide the labour.
If the talent is unassigned and not competing, that means they have yet to begin fulfilling the labor they must do in their contracts. So if the person is not working, then they still aren't officially employed, just making checks for doing nothing. Raaggio T/ C Guest Book 02:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Whatever you decide to do with unassigned talent is fine by me, just as long as there's a set criteria.
Plus somebody needs to fix the page ASAP.
Somebody put Ricky Ortiz and Teddy Long on Smackdown so now both the SD and ECW tables are screwed up, and Victoria needs to be removed from Smackdown as she will retire after her match tonight. (WWE.com is reporting this, so it's not a spoiler).
Vjmlhds 13:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to further note some stuff regarding Low-Ki. He worked another FCW taping so he might as well be placed under their roster. He also is going by the name "Kawal" so at the very least that name change can be made. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 08:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
This Is not a reliable source but it is the only one that I found that can say anything about his return to WWE. [3] Benton Tigers 21:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Not an RS. Period. ₰imon KSK 21:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Is PW a reliable source? [4] Benton Tigers 18:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I found the official site she had the interview with confirming his return to WWE: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/66103/EXCLUSIVE-Deep-impact -- Mrrko ( talk) 01:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Wait I'm confused. This page shows Christian Cage on the WWE roster as non signed talent. Wouldnt that mean that he is back. If it does not mean that then why is it shown. Jonathanmbarnes ( talk) 04:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Well sorry. But if its not confirmed wiki admin usually will not take the time to add people who have not yet debuted on the show. Also wiki admin has told me that the Wrestler stating that he him self has signed a contract is not a reliable source since many wrestlers lie about the current status in a company. So there goes your deal with him saying that he said he is back. Jonathanmbarnes ( talk) 01:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
he's on WWE ECW (DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!)-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 02:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Hardcore Holly is now out the door (WWE.com)
Vjmlhds 00:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
(Note to an admin) On wwe.com Victoria announced she has retired from wrestling in the WWE. So she should be removed from the roster. Govvy ( talk) 15:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
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Please remove the "Hardcore Holly" row from the "Male wrestlers" section under the "Raw" main header. Holly was released from the company, see
this. Also, "Victoria" announced her retirement, and is no longer an employee. Please remove her from the "Female wrestlers" section under the "SmackDown" main header, see
her new Alumni page and the
results from her retirement episode of SmackDown. Thank you,
iMatthew //
talk // 15:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Chris Jericho needs to be removed because he was fired on Monday Night Raw last week, and Victoria needs to be removed from the Divas because she retired after last night's Friday Night Smackdown, and Jeff Hardy I believe it is needs to be put as out of action for now due to a pyrotechnics accident on last night's friday night smackdown. -- Chrismaster1 ( talk) 18:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Well you must learn a thing or two from Wikipedia for the professional wrestling. Chris Jericho will be never fired. That was in kayfabe and probably he will return like Undertaker did. -- Pavlen ( talk) 18:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Jerico got fired and got his job back ages ago-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 02:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
The name of the stable on the ECW Brand consisting of William Regal, Ezekiel Jackson, and Vladimir Kozlov is The Tormentors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.122.62.216 ( talk) 02:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit baffled here. Obviously I missed the whole 'Unassigned talent' war that led to the protection but looking at the article the names in question were removed and aside from removing Holly and Victoria, the page seems to be in order. So can't the page be unprotected with the idea that all future 'unassigned talent' won't be added to the page if their signing is in doubt, until they pop up in FCW or wherever they're going to be placed? If we can figure out the Active/Inactive issues, this seems a lot easier to fix doesn't it? In fact I think it already has been so what's the deal? Hot Stuff International ( talk) 19:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Based on some of the consensus above, I've created an FAQ page, which is linked from the top. I urge all editors to read it. I've tagged some of the discussions as resolved, but one (the sources one) is unresloved as of now. D.M.N. ( talk) 21:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
[6] It has loads of non-fcw wrestlers on it. Whats with that? Do they wrestle both places? Kala jan € ₣ 21:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes some do but I think its to show that Jack Swagger is part of FCW alumini or however you spell that and that hes now a big star on ECW or something like that Adster 95 10:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please place Theodore Long and Ricky Ortiz into their proper categories. They belong in the ECW roster, and both are listed in the Smackdown roster. Thanks-- NickSparrow ( talk) 03:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Just now noticed Vickie Guerrero is no longer listed on the page anywhere. Her photo remains, but she was removed from the smackdown roster on this page. If someone could fix this. It would be greatly appreciated.-- NickSparrow ( talk) 03:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
[7] Kalajan found a link. Looks official? If you all agree, then I will add a edit request for it to be puut in the article. Simon \\ c</small> Yes we can! 19:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm just reposting the sources I found for the questionably signed talents. I think it's best to leave this section here on the talk page until reliable sources are found.
Here are the wrestlers in question. If/When I have found a reliable source, we should add them:
Chris Raaber - http://rajah.com/base/node/15095
Johnny Riggs has been appearing in FCW as Dylan Klein. His MySpace profile pic was taken at an FCW show (he's being managed by Wesley Holiday). I'm not sure what more confirmation is needed, which is why I posted here first rather than edit the actual article. -- James Duggan 05:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Byron Wilcott wrestled at tonight's FCW taping. [8] -- James Duggan 04:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Here are the results from the latest FCW TV taping. Here is a list of the new names in FCW: Tank Mulligan, Brian Jossie, Paul Lloyd, Tristan Delta, and Mike Hutter. We know Brian Jossie is signed, and Mike Hutter is one of the names above that was unconfirmed, though tonight confirms it. The other names I've never heard before. Some of them could be new names for existing wrestlers as Ian Richardson and PJ Black are now going under new names. I'll try and get confirmation on who's who. -- James Duggan 06:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Here's a Google search for "David Otunga WWE". Are any of these reliable enough to place Otunga on the roster? Also, here's a FloridaIndies.com thread saying that Otunga has appeared in an FCW ring. -- James Duggan 22:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
According to the leaked Raw Script from March 2nd, Fifita is under contract, but not Raaber. -- James Duggan 01:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like to request editor 76.206.63.198 be blocked.
He keeps moving wrestlers to Smackdown just for the hell of it.
This is repeated vandalism, and it needs to stop.
Thank You.
Vjmlhds 21:42, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Are they a team? They probably are because if not why would Henry attack Hardy if he's currently feuding with Finlay? Yes I know... confirmation blablabla - Kala jan €· ₣ 16:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so why is it that every freakin' time someone teams up, you ignore the rules and ask if they are a team anyways? -- Kaizer13 ( talk) 21:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I want to make my case for Shane McMahon being on the active list so there's no misunderstandings.
In the current storyline, Shane's not here to be GM or authority figure, he's here specifically to kick Randy Orton's @$$ for kicking Vince in the head.
This equates to Jeff Jarrett's feud with Kurt Angle in TNA, where JJ stepped down from the front office so he could concentrate on dealing with Angle.
Since this current feud will be a focal point on Raw for the time being (with a PPV match no doubt in the works), leave Shane-O up on the active list till it dies down.
Thank You.
Vjmlhds 05:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Why aren't they on the ECW tag team list any more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrpengo88 ( talk • contribs) 00:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I suppose, but finlay is managed by hornswoggle, so maybe the "tag teams" section should be changed to "tag teams and management teams". User:Mrpengo88
I think it should be changed to just teams-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 02:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
He only wrestled one match and this says his profile page was removed [9] Pills 4 22:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Simply go to WWE.Com and check their Superstars section. If Kizarny's profile has been removed, then it should be notated next to his name that he's currently wrestling in FCW he's worked the last few set of tapings. If it hasn't, he stays listed under the Smackdown brand. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 00:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
His SmackDown profile is back up [10]. -- James Duggan 00:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Was he Released-- Dcheagle ( talk) 05:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Beth is listed as Santino's valet. When was the last time Santino wrestled? I don't think since November when he lost his IC belt to Regal. I think it's more appropriate to say he is her valet. Tony2Times ( talk) 04:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Valet means female manager-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 21:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Yet U wont show me any Reference-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 03:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Umm, valet means male servant, so technically, it's been backwards all along. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.101.163.3 ( talk) 17:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Is he still with the company in some fashion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Info Fan ( talk • contribs) 00:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Who is Droz? Red Rooster 96 12:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/smackdown/2009/february15-21/9406452
That's from WWE.Com which verifies Gail has indeed re-signed with the company so she can be placed under unassigned talent until she makes her return on TV. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 04:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Dude calm the hell down first off.I doubt WWE would bother showing a training video of someone not even on their pay roll. Not to mention you're a bit behind since Hade Vansen was released last month after they scrapped his gimmick and angle after the single vignette aired.. and he was clearly under contract anyway. But whatever.. sorry I even mentioned it.. didn't know it'd piss ya off so badly. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 06:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah yes I forgot about that rule. I get what you're saying about waiting since plans could change and she might not even make it onto TV but I'd say at the moment she's under contract and at least should be put in unassigned talent. Look at Tomko.. he worked one Dark Match and hasn't been heard from since but he's still listed. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 06:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Here's the latest round of name changes made in FCW:
-Bryan Jossie is now Abraham Washington -Mike Hutter is now Derrick Bateman -Byron Willcott is now Lennox McEnroe -Paul Lloyd is now Jarred Black
Hot Stuff International ( talk) 06:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
On his own page the last match listed for DJ Gabriel is January 13. Does anyone know if he's appeared on any house shows or on ECW (I sometimes miss) as of late? If not he should be noted as currently inactive/competing in FCW. Hot Stuff International ( talk) 21:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
--DJ (w/ Alicia in tow) has been wrestling dark matches prior to the tapings for about the last month, so although he hasn't been on TV, he's still active.
Vjmlhds 23:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
As many of you may have heard, the first draft of the March 2nd Raw script has been leaked on the internet. On the second last page, it lists the various roster members. Under FCW, it lists several interesting names. One name is Tevita Fifita, Haku's son who was rumored to have been signed. Another name is Jose Torres, which I am assuming is the real name of Black Pain/Sweet Papi Sanchez. The other name is Joe Nobles, and I'm not sure who he is, but Vic Adams is not listed, so my guess is they are one in the same. -- James Duggan 01:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
It appears that this article is undergoing a major revision, with tables listing each performer's ring name, real name, and other relevant information. While I'm sure this has been discussed and I have no real problem with it, my problem lies in the current organization of the article itself. As I type this, the entire "RAW" section is blank, apparently awaiting the revised format. I think that someone ought to keep the article in its former form until the revisions are completely ready (i.e., all tables with each performer's ring name/real name/etc. have been completed), and the tables should be worked on in the sandbox (or some other place. [[ Briguy52748 ( talk) 13:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)]] (P.S. — I think at the very least, a boilerplate should be added at the top of the page alerting readers about the page undergoing a major revamping, and not removed until the task is complete).
I'll admit she did show up on Raw this week BUT why is her picture next to the other on air talen for Raw?-- Wwe.fana ( talk) 11:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Why is Vickie Guerrero the GM of Raw? I do not like her as GM and why did she choose Raw over Smackdown? I would prefer Stephanie McMahon. After all, Stephanie is a better authority figure than Vickie!
HabsMTL (
talk) 02:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
You don't talk about your opinion here--
Wwe.fana (
talk) 03:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be good if below the images of the Champions/Authority Figures, it said what title they had, or what show there the general manager of. Just a thought. Adam Penale ( talk) 10:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Leave the McMahons on the Raw page.
Vince and Shane came back from their injuries to go after the Legacy.
The McMahons vs The Legacy has been an ongoing feud since the start of the year, when Randy Orton slapped and punted Vince, then beat Shane down, and finally attacked Stephanie.
Everybody's back now, and the "war" is on now as evidenced by the end of Raw.
So leave Vince and Shane on Raw because they are part of a feud, which is arguably the main feud right now in WWE.
Vjmlhds 18:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Just a reminder that when there are roster moves such as from the draft, the sources within articles need to have their links updated, not just the external links section. I just updated them all, but I won't feel like doing it every time.
A number of sites have reported that WWE has signed Sicodelico Jr. This is because he posted pictures on his personal MySpace of him signing his papers with WWE. He will be added to the roster once he makes an appearance for FCW. In the meantime, here are the sources so far:
http://rajah.com/base/node/15757 and
http://www.myspace.com/sicodelicojr
Also, I'm going to take this opportunity to re-post a source for another supposed signing that occurred a little while ago for Chris "Bambikiller" Raaber.
http://rajah.com/base/node/15095
Dahumorist (
talk) 07:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Yet another signing is Serena Deeb. http://rajah.com/base/node/16122 Dahumorist ( talk) 16:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Gerweck.net and Wrestling Observer Newsletter report the signing of a bodybuilder named Aaron Reed. http://www.gerweck.net/news/1245966618.shtml Dahumorist ( talk) 15:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Here's another report that a guy named Ray Leppan was signed. Also, it gave the name Aaron Rodriquez as Sicoldelico's real name. Unrelated, I saw the signing of referee Shane Sewell somewhere as well. http://www.gerweck.net/news/1246313443.shtml Dahumorist ( talk) 05:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Next to Edge's name there's a note that he appears on Raw due to his feud with John Cena. I think Cena should have a similar note, statinh that he appears on Smackdown due to his feud with Edge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JWC126 ( talk • contribs) 00:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I recall her being ecw general manager, not interim. is it really? 3pointswish ( talk) 06:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Nop it was announced by Teddy Long "And New ECW interim General Manager" Adster 95 09:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Should we list Santina and Santino seperatley? MC Steel ( talk) 05:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok,I am sick and tired of everyone saying that Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas are The World's Greatest Tag Team name now.Its NOT true,they have not been called that one single time since they have reformed so STOP with putting it up that they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CentaurRULES ( talk • contribs) 17:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
That is not true, as R-Truth stated "So The World's Greatest Tag Team are back together" BUT it has not been offically stated by WWE. MC Steel ( talk) 00:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Is it true that the Undertaker is having knee surgery? Danny Boy 420 ( talk) 21:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a section for employees that are currently unassigned - e.g. Vickie Guerrero?-- Senkris ( talk) 22:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be a section which shows the superstars released over the past month, or so. So that people can know if their favorite superstars were fired or were just taking time off. I know that they can just look for their favorite superstar's name on the list, but it would be better and quicker to just compile them in one section. \:.:bibboorton:.:/ ( talk) 04:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
They're names need to be added to the Alumni section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Info Fan ( talk • contribs) 11:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
They still haven't been added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Info Fan ( talk • contribs) 16:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I have been looking at wrestling website and I couldn't find anything about Trent Beretta and Caylen Croft winning the FCW Tag Team Champion. If they are then I need to see some references. -- Wrestling-fantic ( talk) 20:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Then I think we should change it, because I even look at the tag team page and it says that Johnny Curtis and Tyler Reks are still the champion. -- Wrestling-fantic ( talk) 04:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Here's another one: http://flrankings.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=13113. -- James Duggan 00:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
All right thank you -- Wrestling-fantic ( talk) 01:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
http://flrankings.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=13156
Apparently, it turns out Kip Christianson isn't Phill Shatter (real name Chad Lail). Shatter is now working with TNA. If he's not Shatter, then who the heck is this guy? I'll update the roster to reflect that.
Also, a wrestler under the gimmick of Count Franklin Furter (someone has a cheesy sense of humor in FCW) debuted on a recent TV episode of FCW. Looking at the photo FCW has of Kip Christianson, they might be the same, but I'm not sure. FCW's website updated the talent roster, but no Furter, and Christianson is still there. -- James Duggan 22:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Forums are not reliable sources.-- Will C 01:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Checking history of the page there has been an unassigned talent section - which should be added as the page is called List of World Wrestling Entertainment employees - not List of World Wrestling Entertainment active employees -- Celtic Cross 23:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I repeat that-- Celtic Cross 15:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree there should be you are total right 82.21.192.131 ( talk) 13:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)