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@ HistoryofIran:, perhaps we should move this to "List of Safavid Grand Viziers"? I just made a brief dig, and it seems that quite a few of the most important scholars in Safavid/Middle Eastern history refer to the people in the last as "grand viziers" instead of "viziers". I believe thats due to the fact that the regular title of "vizier" (as opposed to Grand Vizier) was used as an administrative title for numerous governorships, alongside the more commonly used titles of "darugha", "beglarbeg", and hakem". (see also; Matthee, 2012 [1] and Floor, 2008, [2]) - LouisAragon ( talk) 22:32, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: Dear HistoryofIran, According to "Ahsan-al Tavarikh" which is a history book written by "Hassan Beg Rumlu" during the reign of Tahmasp I, Najm-e Sani was "Vakil" of Ismail I and not his vizier. I believe his name should not be mentioned in this list. Unfortunaely, in this book it is not mentioned that after Mohammad Zakariya Kujuji and Mahmud Jan Qazvini (also written Mahmud Khan Qazvini in some sources), who occupied this post? "Tohfe-ye Sami" is a book about poets and written by Sam Mirza Safavi (the son of Ismail I). In this book about one poet who called "Shah-mir Deylami (Daylamite)" is mentioned that he is the son of "Mahmud Jan Deylami" and the brother of "Mirak Beg". Shah-mir became for a short time the vizier of Ismail I after his brother "Mirak Beg". So, I believe these two names should be added to this list. Unfortunately, nothing is mentioned about the beginning and the end of his and his brother's office. What is your opinion? Shfarshid ( talk) 17:21, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: Hossein Monshi Qomi was the father of the historian, Ahmad Monshi Qomi, and as far as I read in Persian sources he was just a "Monshi" ( scrivener or clerk or penman) not a vizier. Which of your sources called him a vizier? Shfarshid ( talk) 10:28, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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@ HistoryofIran:, perhaps we should move this to "List of Safavid Grand Viziers"? I just made a brief dig, and it seems that quite a few of the most important scholars in Safavid/Middle Eastern history refer to the people in the last as "grand viziers" instead of "viziers". I believe thats due to the fact that the regular title of "vizier" (as opposed to Grand Vizier) was used as an administrative title for numerous governorships, alongside the more commonly used titles of "darugha", "beglarbeg", and hakem". (see also; Matthee, 2012 [1] and Floor, 2008, [2]) - LouisAragon ( talk) 22:32, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: Dear HistoryofIran, According to "Ahsan-al Tavarikh" which is a history book written by "Hassan Beg Rumlu" during the reign of Tahmasp I, Najm-e Sani was "Vakil" of Ismail I and not his vizier. I believe his name should not be mentioned in this list. Unfortunaely, in this book it is not mentioned that after Mohammad Zakariya Kujuji and Mahmud Jan Qazvini (also written Mahmud Khan Qazvini in some sources), who occupied this post? "Tohfe-ye Sami" is a book about poets and written by Sam Mirza Safavi (the son of Ismail I). In this book about one poet who called "Shah-mir Deylami (Daylamite)" is mentioned that he is the son of "Mahmud Jan Deylami" and the brother of "Mirak Beg". Shah-mir became for a short time the vizier of Ismail I after his brother "Mirak Beg". So, I believe these two names should be added to this list. Unfortunately, nothing is mentioned about the beginning and the end of his and his brother's office. What is your opinion? Shfarshid ( talk) 17:21, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: Hossein Monshi Qomi was the father of the historian, Ahmad Monshi Qomi, and as far as I read in Persian sources he was just a "Monshi" ( scrivener or clerk or penman) not a vizier. Which of your sources called him a vizier? Shfarshid ( talk) 10:28, 9 April 2019 (UTC)