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I'm not familiar with the Batman Universe, so looking at the list of names and brief bios of the Batman villains I can't help that notice that they seem to be either the single most motley bunch of badly written cliches in the history of comic books, or ironically written ? Which is it ? I can't believe a writing team would create villains of such utter crapness without irony ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.196.158 ( talk) 15:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Keep in mind that Batman is a derivative of pulp magazine heroes (no superpowers, a masked vigilante), which commonly appeared in stories featuring an array of motley gangster-type villains. These types of villains could also be found in the comic strips of Dick Tracy. In regards to it being cliche, you can say that the cliches are taken from Batman and the villains of pulps, not the other way around, as they actually started the trend. JosephSpiral ( talk) 21:14, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Furth Villains suggested for addition: Metalhead (Batman 486), Dagger 1 & 2, Zebra-Man, Zodiac Master, Frederick Rhino, Joe Rabbit, Galvan, Czonka, Cypher, Lynx, Bird, Zombie and Trogg, Mekros, Sleeper, Narcosis, Faceless, Ugly American, Chancer, Allergent, Banner, Crimesmith, Getaway Genius, Bouncer, Mr baffle, Tweedle Dee and Dum, Mortimer Kadaver, Corossive Man, Mahakala, Mirage, Deathstroke, Night-Thief, Nocturna, Doctor Fang, Snowman, Savage Skull, Obeah Man, Quiz and Query (Echo), Echo (Russiand assassin), Dragoncat, Gunhawk, Steeljacket, Cassidy, Wilis Danko, Feedback, Dynamiteer, Tumultor, Harpy, Monarch of Menaces, Shin Tzu.-- 134.34.13.172 14:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Death Rattle and Ventriloquist II both need to be added as well.
What about Ragdoll, who appears twice on THE BATMAN? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.239.78 ( talk) 02:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Clock King? Esjs ( talk) 22:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
As of 27 March 2015, all of those characters have been added with the exception of:
I will begin looking into these characters. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 19:32, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Uhm, why was this page moved fro List of Batman villains to List of Batman enemies? That possessive form is really grating. It replaces a vaugly POV-word with a very unprofessional descriptor. If the title needs to be made more objective, surely List of Batman adversaries or List of Batman antagonists would be better selections than this uber-personalization. ~CS 19:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that Dracula isn't mentioned at all here. He was by a landslide one of Batman's most dangerous foes, and I believe he should be mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.111.244.211 ( talk) 05:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
Why isn't Clayface listed among the major villians? Is there a specific criteria that qualifies on villian a major and another as minor? 66.109.248.114 21:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Basil Karlo was rarely used in the late 80's early 90's period, instead they used Preston Payne, doesn't he at least get a major enemies mention, he is one of the more notable. Besides, it would probably be best to include all of the Clayfaces in the Major enemies bit. 86.142.216.62 ( talk) 14:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
The picture of David Cain is actually a picture of Lex Luthor. Does anyone have a picture of Cain or should we just not have a picture?
What Determines if someone is a major or minor enemy?
The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. — Moe ε 21:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
It should be stated that he was Killed during the War Games Storyline
All animated villians, unless they have been introduced into continuity, do not belong on the main villains list, major or minor. In addition, make sure your entry is complete, meaning issue number and date, as well as factual.
At this point, the list of characters appearing as major and/or minor which seems to be the most regular complaint of the page. There is no reason why Prometheus, Nyssa Raatko, David Cain and the Great White Shark should be placed in the same league as Catwoman, the Joker and Penguin, particullarly in the greater context of Batman's nearly 70 year publication history. Additions are completely subjective. I suggest that either firm guidelines for major inclusion be estabished and commented in the test (i.e. featured in multiple mediums, several decades as Batman villian, and major villian in muliple arcs) or the list of enemies be combined into one master list (my preference). - 66.109.248.114 00:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Since Arnie apparently has his own article now, should he have an entry in the Mobster section? Czar Baldy Bald IV ( talk) 00:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
You all remember her from BTAS, right? I forget what the woman's name was, but I believe she has brunette hair with glasses and wore a business-type outfit. She was there to help Baby Doll in the first one.
I just remember laughing alot because of her lines. Like, Baby Doll would yell, "Cynthiaaaa!" or something and this chick would just come in kicking. And I remember when Robin asked her something like, "Why are you working with her (Baby Doll?" The woman responded something like, "Eh, it's a living" and then proceeded to beat the mess out of Robin.
For those of you with the DVDs, you will probably be able to easily found out who I am talking about.
I'm not saying this person should be a major villain, but for goodness sakes Punch and Judy are listed along with the atrocity that is "The Batman." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaunceyishere1987 ( talk • contribs) 02:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest that it is of some import to include a little mention - (Currently deceased<ref>Killed by XXXXX in ''Detective Comics'' #XXX</ref>) - of who is "dead," for the sake of reference. ntnon ( talk) 04:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone needs to add her under the Ventriloquist and split the box. I would but i do not know how 24.164.136.207 ( talk) 12:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone needs to add the black glove and simon hurt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.136.207 ( talk) 23:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I've got a reprint of Worlds Finet #175 in which a group known as the Batman Revenge Squad (who team up with the Superman Revenge Squad) have Superman and Batman in a contest. Should they be mentioned considering they are one of the few villain teams to appear in the Batman comics? 86.129.43.82 ( talk) 21:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I just removed a notice that was just added proposing this article can be deleted if it is not cited. First off it is referenced, not every minor detail has a citation, but the page has its references, plus much of it is built on good faith. This is where this can be discussed and feel free to view my edit, but that was seriously the most rediculous thing I have ever seen in my years here at Wikipedia. -- EveryDayJoe45 ( talk) 02:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
A gx7 ( talk) 03:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
We should get rid of Superman as a enemy because it's supposed to be villains not allies on the thing. Brian Boru is awesome ( talk) 17:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Agreed with everydayjoe, hey I just joined Wikipedia, nice to meet everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rendevous46 ( talk • contribs) 17:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay I just reverted the most recent section for this reason. There are far too many instinces of enemies being allies as well as enemies. Far too many to have its own section. Therefore I Think when J Greb proposed this section, I think he meant characters who are more commonly thought of as allies, I.e. Superman and Green Arrow. So placing Riddler, Catwoman, Two-Face, etc. in this section is not a good idea. -- EveryDayJoe45 ( talk) 01:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I know he wasn't originally a Batman villain but with Kevin Smith and Walt Flanagan's series Batman Cacophony shouldn't he be added to the list of Foes of Minor Renown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.78.20.3 ( talk) 23:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
While such a distinction is, by default, rather arbitrary (which I have no problem with per se), there are a few names on the list that I can't make out to be "central" no matter what criteria I use. Batzarro only had one real appearance, and KGBeast had a handful of appearances more often than not played as a minor villain. While I wouldn't call Cluemaster or Tweedledee & Tweedledum "central rogues" either, I can buy those more easily since Cluemaster was a central foe of Robin and the Tweeds have been around since the 1940s. But what's the defense for Batzarro and KGBeast? I propose moving them to the "lesser renown" list. 80.217.101.213 ( talk) 18:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have been reviewing this page from time to time when I have a few minutes. Today (May 17, 2009) marks the second time that I have corrected the entry for the Gorilla Boss to show his correct real name. It is George "Boss" Dyke, as given in the comics themselves and all Batman reference books that discuss the story. It has *never*, to my knowledge, been given as Alex "Boss" Bossie. Whoever keeps inserting that information needs to stop. It is incorrect. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.170.11.126 ( talk) 17:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
There are like 7 clayfaces but only 4 are listed. Shouldn't more be added? 24.168.38.78 ( talk) 15:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Should Professor Pyg and the Circus of Strange be added to the villian's list? 24.168.38.78 ( talk) 14:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't they mereley be in the foes of lesser reknown section and not thir own seperate part. theyve only been in like 8 issues maybe so they don't really warrant the signifigance to be their own sections.. also what about Scarlet, Red Hood's Side Kick? 24.168.27.158 ( talk) 16:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
i'm sorry I have too ask I've seen an enemy called "ace" (i think) and shes about 12, and she can change reality, and shes a "leader" of these card people but I cant find her existance anywhere
Oh and I saw it on some batman episode thing.
Benjabby 21:47 12 august 2009 (UCT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjabby ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
also, sorry to add to this question, where is the ink lady, who mutated a man into an ink man? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjabby ( talk • contribs) 08:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
That Ace is from Justice League Unlimited. Inque is from Batman Beyond. This article is only about the comic book villains. ArtistScientist ( talk) 12:00, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this should be it's own section. They should probably be moved to Foes of Lesser Renown. None of these characters have appeared in more than a few issues, and many of the foes of lesser renown are arguably more important and have had a bigger impact. ZODtheReaper ( talk) 02:45, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
From the TV Series - lame, but a legit adversary! 74.120.152.118 ( talk) 16:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Having a bit of issue with placing Catwoman, who has a lot of the "anti-hero" trademarks and whose alliance has been in question for years, can be placed with the main villains like The Joker. Perhaps a section dealing with just her (especially since her stance as anti-hero is never even mentioned in this article (EDIT: Until now, when I added that into the table so it at least gets SOME mention)), or putting her with those that have had conflicts with Batman, or something of the sort, would be more appropriate for her character. Darkpower ( talk) 10:15, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
The antihero thing has only been a development in relatively recent years. The majority of her comic career has been as a villain. In any case, she's way more anti than hero. MasterHedgehog76 ( talk) 18:38, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
He is not on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.88.13 ( talk) 04:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. MikeLynch ( talk) 20:19, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
List of Batman Family adversaries →
List of Batman enemies – I'm not sure why this title should be so different from
List of Superman enemies or
List of Spider-Man enemies. I suppose "Batman Family" was chosen to indicate that Batman's allies battle these enemies too, but the same could be said about the other superhero enemy lists. "Adversaries" seems like an unnecessary flourish. The proposed title is more concise and also unambiguous—this article covers much more than enemies that appear in
Batman Family. --Relisted
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Hoaxes related to the name "Weasand" have been added to several articles. Can it be verified whether this character exists? Peter James ( talk) 23:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I believe that Great White Shark is known well enough to be moved up to the Classic Rogues Gallery section. PentyClaws ( talk) 18:26, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
One thing I have noticed that users are doing is that they are putting characters who are not Batman villains on this list and justifying it by bringing up a minor encounter the villain may have had with Batman. However, only villains who are primarily enemies of Batman or Bat-family members should be in the article. There is no reason why characters such as the Cheetah, Captain Boomerang, and Captain Cold sould be listed in the article. They may have had a minor conflict with members of the Bat-family but they are not Batman villains. In order to be on this list, I think the villain or character should follow at least one of these criteria:
1. They are primarily an enemy of Batman or a member of the Bat-family.
2. They have had at least one MAJOR encounter with a member of the Bat-family or Batman himself (Justice League titles, Elseworlds, appearances in non-Batman related books, ETC shouldn't count). This is why characters such Lex Luthor (who once went up against Batman when he became president of the fictional United States of America), Deathstroke, Tobias Whale (who played a large role in Gotham Underground) and Bronze Tiger were left on the list.
3. They have gone up against Batman or a member of the Bat-family enough times to warrant a spot in the article . This is why such characters as Count Vertigo, Solomon Grundy, Onomatopoeia, Merlyn and the Gentleman Ghost were left on the list.
If you disagree with any of this, please respond and state your case before editing certain characters back into the article. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 02:27, 10 January 2015 (UTC) User:Darkknight2149
What is the consensus on having Superman in the "Allies in conflict" section? I want to make sure no editors oppose it before deciding if I should add him or not. While he is primarily Batman's ally, Superman and Batman have fought many, many times due to various reasons. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 14:35, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
The current image from Gotham Underground #2 has a rather cartoony look to it, as Jim Califiore's work tends to be that way (especially his work in Aquaman). There's an image by Alex Ross on Wikipedia that shows the Rogue's Gallery surrounding Batman. It has a mature look, as it's a painting. I would like to know if other editors believe this image by Alex Ross should replace the current image. The image can be seen directly below. JosephSpiral ( talk) 21:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
1. Artwork from the Arkham Asylum game
Darkknight2149 ( talk) 01:14, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I updated the main image with the painted cover of Batman: Shadow of the Bat #82. It gives the article a classic look. What do you think? JosephSpiral ( talk) 18:59, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't believe that Blockbuster is notable enough to be listed in the Classic Rogues Gallery, but I think Copperhead and Count Vertigo are. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Darkknight2149 ( talk) 19:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I have come to the realisation that, in order for this article to meet Wikipedia standards, either the Fictional biographies will have to be straight up character bios (I.E. no real world information or listings as to who portrayed the character in other media) OR the Fictional biographies will have to once again become "Descriptions" and every character's description will have to be re-written to include real world information. Thoughts, anyone? Darkknight2149 ( talk) 19:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I added The Interrogator to the lesser known villians list. I think H.A.R.D.A.C. would make a great addition too. Germanator 14:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Germmanator ( talk • contribs)
I am in the process of removing all real world information out of the fictional character biographies, including their appearances in other media, what actor plays them, ETC, with the exception of vital real world information. Don't panic! All of the information I have removed is easily retrievable through the article edit history and all of the information that doesn't go in a fictional biography can be given its own section. I plan on making this article reach Wikipedia standards and plan on adding citations, fixing the sloppiness of the article, and more.
I am also taking the time to remove unnecessary, trivial and random information that doesn't belong. Edits: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]
Darkknight2149 ( talk) 18:10, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm thinking of splitting the Classic Rogues Gallery table into two smaller sections. One section would continue to be the Classic Rogues Gallery, while the other would be Other Major Adversaries. The reason I wish to do this is because there are a number of villains that I don't think can really be called "classic" Batman villains that aren't obscure enough to go in Foes of Lesser renown.
The Classic Rogues Gallery would continue to include characters like Bane, Black Mask, the Joker, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Two Face, Riddler, ETC. Other Major Adversaries would include characters like Anarky, Rag Doll, Great White Shark, Catman, Copperhead, ETC.
Are there any objections? Darkknight2149 ( talk) 22:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
This may be useful in expanding this article with more villains. Just make sure any characters you add are verifiable. Dark Knight 2149 17:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
This article should be overhauled and rearranged to be by date of debut and not by alphabetical order. Fluffyroll11 ( talk) 20:07, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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I propose that Abattoir (comics) be merged into List of Batman Family adversaries . I think that the content in the Abattoir (comics) article can easily be explained in the context of List of Batman Family adversaries, and the List of Batman Family adversaries article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Abattoir (comics) will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Plus, the character Abattoir is not as well-known as other Batman villains like The Joker, Two-Face, or Ra's al Ghul. NeoBatfreak ( talk) 02:16, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
This page is a joke and needs a complete reworking.
The "Classic Rogues Gallery" is said to be the "most enduring and iconic" of Batman's foes. How can anyone place such characters as Black Mask, Calendar Man, Cluemaster, Firefly, or Killer Moth in that group? Yes, there have been some good stories about them, even very important stories, but they aren't in the same league as Joker, Two-Face, etc. Deadshot is a great character but he was unused for decades as a Bat-villain and only gained prominence as a member of the Suicide Squad, a team which generally did not face off against heroes. Deathstroke is a Titans villain, which makes him secondarily a Nightwing villain, but he's not high profile enough as a Bat-villain for that spot. Solomon Grundy falls under the same idea as he is primarily a (Golden Age) Green Lantern villain and secondarily a Justice Society villain.
I have no clue why "Morrison era" and "New 52" are considered important enough to have their own sections. The distinction between "Recurring" and "Lesser Renown" is not explained. There's no reason for these four sections not to be combined into one.
There is a separate listing for mobsters and such, yet various crime families (such as the Falcones) are mixed into the "Teams" section. Either ditch the "Mobsters" section or move any crime family types from Teams to Mobsters.
The "Allies in conflict" section should be dismantled. Aside from Superman there is no reason the rest couldn't just be mixed in with the rest of the adversaries. The fact that Jason Todd was Robin for a while should not preclude him from being in the general list, just as the fact that Harvey Dent's working with Batman during his time as a DA doesn't keep Two-Face out of the villain list. As for Superman himself, there is no reason for him to be listed here at all. Lots of heroes have come into conflict with each other in comics over the years. Lots of them specifically with Batman. Why is Superman included here but not the JLA (see Identity Crisis) or Guy Gardner (see the "one-punch" fight from the old JLI)?-- Khajidha ( talk) 15:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Khajidha: Right now, you are the only one in support of this. If you can gather a consensus among the WikiProject, then have at it. Dark Knight 2149 19:43, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
I've looked into all the cited sources in the "Classic Rogues Gallery" list and removed all the sources that made no claim that said entry is one of "the Batman Family's most enduring and iconic adversaries" (which was most of the sources). I tried to find reliable sources to replace the removed ones where I could, and added "citation needed" tags where I could not. Please help to find reliable sources that support the unsourced entries' inclusions as "the Batman Family's most enduring and iconic adversaries", otherwise as per Wikipedia policy, the unsourced entries can be removed by anyone. Bennv3771 ( talk) 06:49, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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This image, [8], is a better fit for the infobox in my opinion. It shows a wider spectrum of Batman villains, instead of the main rogues gallery - especially since this is an article for "Batman Family adversaries." Also, the characters from the current image are mostly obscured in blackness. Finally, the proposed image is a higher quality piece of art. As pointed out in an earlier discussion, the current image looks cartoonish and not a well depicted representation. DrRC ( talk) 01:16, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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While I know exactly who Mr. Zsasz is, I find heavy fault with his description as a "Classic Rogue". Most regular people will instantly recognize the majority of the other villains, but I doubt Mr. Zsasz will generate even close to the same reaction as Joker, Bane, Penguin, or even Killer Moth. Not to mention that after several hours of research I have not found a single source even insinuating that he is one of the longest running and most notorious villains in the Batman mythos; in fact, I have found the opposite: many sources claim that he is not very well known at all. I propose that he be moved to "Recurring Adversaries". MasterHedgehog76 ( talk) 18:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. I'll probably do it when I have the chance (right now I'm secretly editing at school). MasterHedgehog76 ( talk) 15:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Two rogues lacked citations on why they should be in the central rogues gallery. Those were Firefly and Victor Zsasz. These rogues were transferred to recurring enemies list. If anyone provides the citation for those two. I will immediately revert it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.92.194 ( talk) 18:40, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
I removed a reference to Who's Who Update '87 #1 stating that Paula Brooks was the daughter of the Zatara foe The Huntress, as this was retracted by a note in the Appendix in issue #5 of the same series. Just leaving this here in hopes that it will prevent anyone from readding the note. -- Khajidha ( talk) 18:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Looking at this page, I see that it has been said before, but I agree that it is badly in need of an overhaul. We are 10 years out from the Morrison era, and it is still given a special prominence. Characters who have made one appearance are listed amongst 'classic rogues gallery' because they happen to use the same name as another character (How many Clayfaces are actually classic?). The alphabetical listing within the arbitrary categories makes it appear that Anarky is on the same level as the Joker, and much more important than Joe Chill.
A listing in order of first appearance, broken down by decade, and with potentially a minimum number of appearances (5? with exceptions for truly notable characters that pass WP:GNG) would remove all subjective elements from the list. -- Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 ( talk) 15:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I completely agree with this idea. A good example of this would be the List of DC Comics characters. Thinking back on it, that's probably how this list should've been handled from the beginning.
( 161.29.246.205 ( talk) 23:00, 29 October 2021 (UTC))
I think a good place to start is simply cutting the "allies in conflict" section. Aside from Bat-Mite (who was created as an atagonist, albeit a more sympathetic one), the others are just fellow heroes who have sometimes fought Batman. One of the most common tropes in comics is heroes fighting each other, you could list most other heroes from DC (and quite a few from beyond) in this section. There is nothing special here. -- User:Khajidha ( talk) ( contributions) 17:31, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Ok, first, this page's name should be changed from "enemies" to "adversaries", because not all of them qualify for the definition of wikt:enemy.
Second, I think we should have the clearly notable (per Verifiable Reliable Sources) adversaries in a section at the top.
And then there are a few clear time line benchmarks for splitting the rest: a.) Initial (Golden age and early Silver age - 1940s, 50s, 60s); b.) pre-crisis (Bronze age, Neal Adams et al, era - 1970s, early 80s); b.) post-crisis (New earth - late 80s, 90s, early 2000s); c.) post infinite-crisis (the return of the multiverse - and other-earth versions might need to be noted - 2005, late 2000s); Flashpoint/New 52 (2011); Convergence (2015 and onward)
Why these splits? Because the characters (and the world around them) were fundamentally changed. And - it could be argued - in each case, it was a different Batman Family they were adversaries to. So, for example, while an overview of the Joker might be in the top section, an entry showing the character might be appropriate in each section. Because for each, the Joker was quite different. And this is true for many other adversaries. And it's not surprising. Often the editors and writing staff used the opportunity of universe-change to be able to write the characters in a different direction, without the baggage of past character history/motivations.
Or in other words, we would be providing much-needed context. - jc37 19:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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I'm not familiar with the Batman Universe, so looking at the list of names and brief bios of the Batman villains I can't help that notice that they seem to be either the single most motley bunch of badly written cliches in the history of comic books, or ironically written ? Which is it ? I can't believe a writing team would create villains of such utter crapness without irony ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.196.158 ( talk) 15:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Keep in mind that Batman is a derivative of pulp magazine heroes (no superpowers, a masked vigilante), which commonly appeared in stories featuring an array of motley gangster-type villains. These types of villains could also be found in the comic strips of Dick Tracy. In regards to it being cliche, you can say that the cliches are taken from Batman and the villains of pulps, not the other way around, as they actually started the trend. JosephSpiral ( talk) 21:14, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Furth Villains suggested for addition: Metalhead (Batman 486), Dagger 1 & 2, Zebra-Man, Zodiac Master, Frederick Rhino, Joe Rabbit, Galvan, Czonka, Cypher, Lynx, Bird, Zombie and Trogg, Mekros, Sleeper, Narcosis, Faceless, Ugly American, Chancer, Allergent, Banner, Crimesmith, Getaway Genius, Bouncer, Mr baffle, Tweedle Dee and Dum, Mortimer Kadaver, Corossive Man, Mahakala, Mirage, Deathstroke, Night-Thief, Nocturna, Doctor Fang, Snowman, Savage Skull, Obeah Man, Quiz and Query (Echo), Echo (Russiand assassin), Dragoncat, Gunhawk, Steeljacket, Cassidy, Wilis Danko, Feedback, Dynamiteer, Tumultor, Harpy, Monarch of Menaces, Shin Tzu.-- 134.34.13.172 14:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Death Rattle and Ventriloquist II both need to be added as well.
What about Ragdoll, who appears twice on THE BATMAN? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.239.78 ( talk) 02:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Clock King? Esjs ( talk) 22:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
As of 27 March 2015, all of those characters have been added with the exception of:
I will begin looking into these characters. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 19:32, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Uhm, why was this page moved fro List of Batman villains to List of Batman enemies? That possessive form is really grating. It replaces a vaugly POV-word with a very unprofessional descriptor. If the title needs to be made more objective, surely List of Batman adversaries or List of Batman antagonists would be better selections than this uber-personalization. ~CS 19:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed that Dracula isn't mentioned at all here. He was by a landslide one of Batman's most dangerous foes, and I believe he should be mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.111.244.211 ( talk) 05:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
Why isn't Clayface listed among the major villians? Is there a specific criteria that qualifies on villian a major and another as minor? 66.109.248.114 21:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Basil Karlo was rarely used in the late 80's early 90's period, instead they used Preston Payne, doesn't he at least get a major enemies mention, he is one of the more notable. Besides, it would probably be best to include all of the Clayfaces in the Major enemies bit. 86.142.216.62 ( talk) 14:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
The picture of David Cain is actually a picture of Lex Luthor. Does anyone have a picture of Cain or should we just not have a picture?
What Determines if someone is a major or minor enemy?
The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. — Moe ε 21:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
It should be stated that he was Killed during the War Games Storyline
All animated villians, unless they have been introduced into continuity, do not belong on the main villains list, major or minor. In addition, make sure your entry is complete, meaning issue number and date, as well as factual.
At this point, the list of characters appearing as major and/or minor which seems to be the most regular complaint of the page. There is no reason why Prometheus, Nyssa Raatko, David Cain and the Great White Shark should be placed in the same league as Catwoman, the Joker and Penguin, particullarly in the greater context of Batman's nearly 70 year publication history. Additions are completely subjective. I suggest that either firm guidelines for major inclusion be estabished and commented in the test (i.e. featured in multiple mediums, several decades as Batman villian, and major villian in muliple arcs) or the list of enemies be combined into one master list (my preference). - 66.109.248.114 00:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Since Arnie apparently has his own article now, should he have an entry in the Mobster section? Czar Baldy Bald IV ( talk) 00:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
You all remember her from BTAS, right? I forget what the woman's name was, but I believe she has brunette hair with glasses and wore a business-type outfit. She was there to help Baby Doll in the first one.
I just remember laughing alot because of her lines. Like, Baby Doll would yell, "Cynthiaaaa!" or something and this chick would just come in kicking. And I remember when Robin asked her something like, "Why are you working with her (Baby Doll?" The woman responded something like, "Eh, it's a living" and then proceeded to beat the mess out of Robin.
For those of you with the DVDs, you will probably be able to easily found out who I am talking about.
I'm not saying this person should be a major villain, but for goodness sakes Punch and Judy are listed along with the atrocity that is "The Batman." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaunceyishere1987 ( talk • contribs) 02:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest that it is of some import to include a little mention - (Currently deceased<ref>Killed by XXXXX in ''Detective Comics'' #XXX</ref>) - of who is "dead," for the sake of reference. ntnon ( talk) 04:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone needs to add her under the Ventriloquist and split the box. I would but i do not know how 24.164.136.207 ( talk) 12:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone needs to add the black glove and simon hurt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.136.207 ( talk) 23:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I've got a reprint of Worlds Finet #175 in which a group known as the Batman Revenge Squad (who team up with the Superman Revenge Squad) have Superman and Batman in a contest. Should they be mentioned considering they are one of the few villain teams to appear in the Batman comics? 86.129.43.82 ( talk) 21:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I just removed a notice that was just added proposing this article can be deleted if it is not cited. First off it is referenced, not every minor detail has a citation, but the page has its references, plus much of it is built on good faith. This is where this can be discussed and feel free to view my edit, but that was seriously the most rediculous thing I have ever seen in my years here at Wikipedia. -- EveryDayJoe45 ( talk) 02:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
A gx7 ( talk) 03:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
We should get rid of Superman as a enemy because it's supposed to be villains not allies on the thing. Brian Boru is awesome ( talk) 17:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Agreed with everydayjoe, hey I just joined Wikipedia, nice to meet everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rendevous46 ( talk • contribs) 17:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay I just reverted the most recent section for this reason. There are far too many instinces of enemies being allies as well as enemies. Far too many to have its own section. Therefore I Think when J Greb proposed this section, I think he meant characters who are more commonly thought of as allies, I.e. Superman and Green Arrow. So placing Riddler, Catwoman, Two-Face, etc. in this section is not a good idea. -- EveryDayJoe45 ( talk) 01:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I know he wasn't originally a Batman villain but with Kevin Smith and Walt Flanagan's series Batman Cacophony shouldn't he be added to the list of Foes of Minor Renown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.78.20.3 ( talk) 23:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
While such a distinction is, by default, rather arbitrary (which I have no problem with per se), there are a few names on the list that I can't make out to be "central" no matter what criteria I use. Batzarro only had one real appearance, and KGBeast had a handful of appearances more often than not played as a minor villain. While I wouldn't call Cluemaster or Tweedledee & Tweedledum "central rogues" either, I can buy those more easily since Cluemaster was a central foe of Robin and the Tweeds have been around since the 1940s. But what's the defense for Batzarro and KGBeast? I propose moving them to the "lesser renown" list. 80.217.101.213 ( talk) 18:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have been reviewing this page from time to time when I have a few minutes. Today (May 17, 2009) marks the second time that I have corrected the entry for the Gorilla Boss to show his correct real name. It is George "Boss" Dyke, as given in the comics themselves and all Batman reference books that discuss the story. It has *never*, to my knowledge, been given as Alex "Boss" Bossie. Whoever keeps inserting that information needs to stop. It is incorrect. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.170.11.126 ( talk) 17:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
There are like 7 clayfaces but only 4 are listed. Shouldn't more be added? 24.168.38.78 ( talk) 15:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Should Professor Pyg and the Circus of Strange be added to the villian's list? 24.168.38.78 ( talk) 14:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't they mereley be in the foes of lesser reknown section and not thir own seperate part. theyve only been in like 8 issues maybe so they don't really warrant the signifigance to be their own sections.. also what about Scarlet, Red Hood's Side Kick? 24.168.27.158 ( talk) 16:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
i'm sorry I have too ask I've seen an enemy called "ace" (i think) and shes about 12, and she can change reality, and shes a "leader" of these card people but I cant find her existance anywhere
Oh and I saw it on some batman episode thing.
Benjabby 21:47 12 august 2009 (UCT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjabby ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
also, sorry to add to this question, where is the ink lady, who mutated a man into an ink man? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjabby ( talk • contribs) 08:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
That Ace is from Justice League Unlimited. Inque is from Batman Beyond. This article is only about the comic book villains. ArtistScientist ( talk) 12:00, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this should be it's own section. They should probably be moved to Foes of Lesser Renown. None of these characters have appeared in more than a few issues, and many of the foes of lesser renown are arguably more important and have had a bigger impact. ZODtheReaper ( talk) 02:45, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
From the TV Series - lame, but a legit adversary! 74.120.152.118 ( talk) 16:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Having a bit of issue with placing Catwoman, who has a lot of the "anti-hero" trademarks and whose alliance has been in question for years, can be placed with the main villains like The Joker. Perhaps a section dealing with just her (especially since her stance as anti-hero is never even mentioned in this article (EDIT: Until now, when I added that into the table so it at least gets SOME mention)), or putting her with those that have had conflicts with Batman, or something of the sort, would be more appropriate for her character. Darkpower ( talk) 10:15, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
The antihero thing has only been a development in relatively recent years. The majority of her comic career has been as a villain. In any case, she's way more anti than hero. MasterHedgehog76 ( talk) 18:38, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
He is not on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.88.13 ( talk) 04:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. MikeLynch ( talk) 20:19, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
List of Batman Family adversaries →
List of Batman enemies – I'm not sure why this title should be so different from
List of Superman enemies or
List of Spider-Man enemies. I suppose "Batman Family" was chosen to indicate that Batman's allies battle these enemies too, but the same could be said about the other superhero enemy lists. "Adversaries" seems like an unnecessary flourish. The proposed title is more concise and also unambiguous—this article covers much more than enemies that appear in
Batman Family. --Relisted
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Hoaxes related to the name "Weasand" have been added to several articles. Can it be verified whether this character exists? Peter James ( talk) 23:18, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I believe that Great White Shark is known well enough to be moved up to the Classic Rogues Gallery section. PentyClaws ( talk) 18:26, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
One thing I have noticed that users are doing is that they are putting characters who are not Batman villains on this list and justifying it by bringing up a minor encounter the villain may have had with Batman. However, only villains who are primarily enemies of Batman or Bat-family members should be in the article. There is no reason why characters such as the Cheetah, Captain Boomerang, and Captain Cold sould be listed in the article. They may have had a minor conflict with members of the Bat-family but they are not Batman villains. In order to be on this list, I think the villain or character should follow at least one of these criteria:
1. They are primarily an enemy of Batman or a member of the Bat-family.
2. They have had at least one MAJOR encounter with a member of the Bat-family or Batman himself (Justice League titles, Elseworlds, appearances in non-Batman related books, ETC shouldn't count). This is why characters such Lex Luthor (who once went up against Batman when he became president of the fictional United States of America), Deathstroke, Tobias Whale (who played a large role in Gotham Underground) and Bronze Tiger were left on the list.
3. They have gone up against Batman or a member of the Bat-family enough times to warrant a spot in the article . This is why such characters as Count Vertigo, Solomon Grundy, Onomatopoeia, Merlyn and the Gentleman Ghost were left on the list.
If you disagree with any of this, please respond and state your case before editing certain characters back into the article. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 02:27, 10 January 2015 (UTC) User:Darkknight2149
What is the consensus on having Superman in the "Allies in conflict" section? I want to make sure no editors oppose it before deciding if I should add him or not. While he is primarily Batman's ally, Superman and Batman have fought many, many times due to various reasons. Darkknight2149 ( talk) 14:35, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
The current image from Gotham Underground #2 has a rather cartoony look to it, as Jim Califiore's work tends to be that way (especially his work in Aquaman). There's an image by Alex Ross on Wikipedia that shows the Rogue's Gallery surrounding Batman. It has a mature look, as it's a painting. I would like to know if other editors believe this image by Alex Ross should replace the current image. The image can be seen directly below. JosephSpiral ( talk) 21:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
1. Artwork from the Arkham Asylum game
Darkknight2149 ( talk) 01:14, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I updated the main image with the painted cover of Batman: Shadow of the Bat #82. It gives the article a classic look. What do you think? JosephSpiral ( talk) 18:59, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't believe that Blockbuster is notable enough to be listed in the Classic Rogues Gallery, but I think Copperhead and Count Vertigo are. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Darkknight2149 ( talk) 19:13, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I have come to the realisation that, in order for this article to meet Wikipedia standards, either the Fictional biographies will have to be straight up character bios (I.E. no real world information or listings as to who portrayed the character in other media) OR the Fictional biographies will have to once again become "Descriptions" and every character's description will have to be re-written to include real world information. Thoughts, anyone? Darkknight2149 ( talk) 19:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
I added The Interrogator to the lesser known villians list. I think H.A.R.D.A.C. would make a great addition too. Germanator 14:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Germmanator ( talk • contribs)
I am in the process of removing all real world information out of the fictional character biographies, including their appearances in other media, what actor plays them, ETC, with the exception of vital real world information. Don't panic! All of the information I have removed is easily retrievable through the article edit history and all of the information that doesn't go in a fictional biography can be given its own section. I plan on making this article reach Wikipedia standards and plan on adding citations, fixing the sloppiness of the article, and more.
I am also taking the time to remove unnecessary, trivial and random information that doesn't belong. Edits: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]
Darkknight2149 ( talk) 18:10, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm thinking of splitting the Classic Rogues Gallery table into two smaller sections. One section would continue to be the Classic Rogues Gallery, while the other would be Other Major Adversaries. The reason I wish to do this is because there are a number of villains that I don't think can really be called "classic" Batman villains that aren't obscure enough to go in Foes of Lesser renown.
The Classic Rogues Gallery would continue to include characters like Bane, Black Mask, the Joker, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Two Face, Riddler, ETC. Other Major Adversaries would include characters like Anarky, Rag Doll, Great White Shark, Catman, Copperhead, ETC.
Are there any objections? Darkknight2149 ( talk) 22:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
This may be useful in expanding this article with more villains. Just make sure any characters you add are verifiable. Dark Knight 2149 17:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
This article should be overhauled and rearranged to be by date of debut and not by alphabetical order. Fluffyroll11 ( talk) 20:07, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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I propose that Abattoir (comics) be merged into List of Batman Family adversaries . I think that the content in the Abattoir (comics) article can easily be explained in the context of List of Batman Family adversaries, and the List of Batman Family adversaries article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Abattoir (comics) will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Plus, the character Abattoir is not as well-known as other Batman villains like The Joker, Two-Face, or Ra's al Ghul. NeoBatfreak ( talk) 02:16, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
This page is a joke and needs a complete reworking.
The "Classic Rogues Gallery" is said to be the "most enduring and iconic" of Batman's foes. How can anyone place such characters as Black Mask, Calendar Man, Cluemaster, Firefly, or Killer Moth in that group? Yes, there have been some good stories about them, even very important stories, but they aren't in the same league as Joker, Two-Face, etc. Deadshot is a great character but he was unused for decades as a Bat-villain and only gained prominence as a member of the Suicide Squad, a team which generally did not face off against heroes. Deathstroke is a Titans villain, which makes him secondarily a Nightwing villain, but he's not high profile enough as a Bat-villain for that spot. Solomon Grundy falls under the same idea as he is primarily a (Golden Age) Green Lantern villain and secondarily a Justice Society villain.
I have no clue why "Morrison era" and "New 52" are considered important enough to have their own sections. The distinction between "Recurring" and "Lesser Renown" is not explained. There's no reason for these four sections not to be combined into one.
There is a separate listing for mobsters and such, yet various crime families (such as the Falcones) are mixed into the "Teams" section. Either ditch the "Mobsters" section or move any crime family types from Teams to Mobsters.
The "Allies in conflict" section should be dismantled. Aside from Superman there is no reason the rest couldn't just be mixed in with the rest of the adversaries. The fact that Jason Todd was Robin for a while should not preclude him from being in the general list, just as the fact that Harvey Dent's working with Batman during his time as a DA doesn't keep Two-Face out of the villain list. As for Superman himself, there is no reason for him to be listed here at all. Lots of heroes have come into conflict with each other in comics over the years. Lots of them specifically with Batman. Why is Superman included here but not the JLA (see Identity Crisis) or Guy Gardner (see the "one-punch" fight from the old JLI)?-- Khajidha ( talk) 15:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Khajidha: Right now, you are the only one in support of this. If you can gather a consensus among the WikiProject, then have at it. Dark Knight 2149 19:43, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
I've looked into all the cited sources in the "Classic Rogues Gallery" list and removed all the sources that made no claim that said entry is one of "the Batman Family's most enduring and iconic adversaries" (which was most of the sources). I tried to find reliable sources to replace the removed ones where I could, and added "citation needed" tags where I could not. Please help to find reliable sources that support the unsourced entries' inclusions as "the Batman Family's most enduring and iconic adversaries", otherwise as per Wikipedia policy, the unsourced entries can be removed by anyone. Bennv3771 ( talk) 06:49, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
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This image, [8], is a better fit for the infobox in my opinion. It shows a wider spectrum of Batman villains, instead of the main rogues gallery - especially since this is an article for "Batman Family adversaries." Also, the characters from the current image are mostly obscured in blackness. Finally, the proposed image is a higher quality piece of art. As pointed out in an earlier discussion, the current image looks cartoonish and not a well depicted representation. DrRC ( talk) 01:16, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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While I know exactly who Mr. Zsasz is, I find heavy fault with his description as a "Classic Rogue". Most regular people will instantly recognize the majority of the other villains, but I doubt Mr. Zsasz will generate even close to the same reaction as Joker, Bane, Penguin, or even Killer Moth. Not to mention that after several hours of research I have not found a single source even insinuating that he is one of the longest running and most notorious villains in the Batman mythos; in fact, I have found the opposite: many sources claim that he is not very well known at all. I propose that he be moved to "Recurring Adversaries". MasterHedgehog76 ( talk) 18:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. I'll probably do it when I have the chance (right now I'm secretly editing at school). MasterHedgehog76 ( talk) 15:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Two rogues lacked citations on why they should be in the central rogues gallery. Those were Firefly and Victor Zsasz. These rogues were transferred to recurring enemies list. If anyone provides the citation for those two. I will immediately revert it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.92.194 ( talk) 18:40, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
I removed a reference to Who's Who Update '87 #1 stating that Paula Brooks was the daughter of the Zatara foe The Huntress, as this was retracted by a note in the Appendix in issue #5 of the same series. Just leaving this here in hopes that it will prevent anyone from readding the note. -- Khajidha ( talk) 18:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Looking at this page, I see that it has been said before, but I agree that it is badly in need of an overhaul. We are 10 years out from the Morrison era, and it is still given a special prominence. Characters who have made one appearance are listed amongst 'classic rogues gallery' because they happen to use the same name as another character (How many Clayfaces are actually classic?). The alphabetical listing within the arbitrary categories makes it appear that Anarky is on the same level as the Joker, and much more important than Joe Chill.
A listing in order of first appearance, broken down by decade, and with potentially a minimum number of appearances (5? with exceptions for truly notable characters that pass WP:GNG) would remove all subjective elements from the list. -- Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 ( talk) 15:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I completely agree with this idea. A good example of this would be the List of DC Comics characters. Thinking back on it, that's probably how this list should've been handled from the beginning.
( 161.29.246.205 ( talk) 23:00, 29 October 2021 (UTC))
I think a good place to start is simply cutting the "allies in conflict" section. Aside from Bat-Mite (who was created as an atagonist, albeit a more sympathetic one), the others are just fellow heroes who have sometimes fought Batman. One of the most common tropes in comics is heroes fighting each other, you could list most other heroes from DC (and quite a few from beyond) in this section. There is nothing special here. -- User:Khajidha ( talk) ( contributions) 17:31, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Ok, first, this page's name should be changed from "enemies" to "adversaries", because not all of them qualify for the definition of wikt:enemy.
Second, I think we should have the clearly notable (per Verifiable Reliable Sources) adversaries in a section at the top.
And then there are a few clear time line benchmarks for splitting the rest: a.) Initial (Golden age and early Silver age - 1940s, 50s, 60s); b.) pre-crisis (Bronze age, Neal Adams et al, era - 1970s, early 80s); b.) post-crisis (New earth - late 80s, 90s, early 2000s); c.) post infinite-crisis (the return of the multiverse - and other-earth versions might need to be noted - 2005, late 2000s); Flashpoint/New 52 (2011); Convergence (2015 and onward)
Why these splits? Because the characters (and the world around them) were fundamentally changed. And - it could be argued - in each case, it was a different Batman Family they were adversaries to. So, for example, while an overview of the Joker might be in the top section, an entry showing the character might be appropriate in each section. Because for each, the Joker was quite different. And this is true for many other adversaries. And it's not surprising. Often the editors and writing staff used the opportunity of universe-change to be able to write the characters in a different direction, without the baggage of past character history/motivations.
Or in other words, we would be providing much-needed context. - jc37 19:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)