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Isn't calling Dot-com the most "articulate" just code for least black? 208.27.3.153 ( talk) 01:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Nitpick: How can a list of recurring minor characters contain a list of major recurring characters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.11.244 ( talk) 08:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
"Tracy and Angie frequently use rather odd forms of sexual roleplaying" is that really encylopedic tone? isn't that more of a value judgement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.70.33 ( talk) 05:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Why did Cerie's page get merged here? It's better formatted on its own page. - Peregrinefisher 05:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
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Many of the refernces from this page can be verified at http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/category/30-rock/ That website has episode by episode recaps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IAmTheCoinMan ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. Ucucha 15:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Characters of 30 Rock → List of 30 Rock characters — This is the standard format for lists of characters from fictional works. Ungeniusman ( talk) 22:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
There was a move request recently at Talk:Leo Spaceman#Requested move which highlighted a question of notability. Is Leo Spaceman a notable enough character to warrant a separate article? The current article possesses three references at the moment, two of which relate to "Dr. Pepper commercials" with youtube videos. However, he is mentioned near the bottom of the article in the same section as minor characters. He is not a regular or major character, having appeared in just 13 of 80 episodes so far. Unless there is some as-yet-unseen evidence of notability, I think the article should be merged with the appropriate section in the "List of 30 Rock characters". I would have done this but the move request suggests that someone might disagree so it would be more appropriate to discuss this first. Green Giant ( talk) 11:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Would now be a good time to create a section for Paul, Jenna's boyfriend starting in season 4? He's been in several episodes now. Kevinbrogers ( talk) 07:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
All of these character pages ( Jack Donaghy, Liz Lemon, Tracy Jordan, Jenna Maroney and Kenneth Parcell) are nothing but fanpages that contain only "in-universe" material. The WP:notability (fiction) page says "Articles on fiction elements are expected to cover more about "real-world" aspects of the element, such as its development and reception, than "in-universe" details." These article do not mention any 'real world' aspects. They are completely unnecessary and don't need more than a brief overview on this page: List of 30 Rock characters. Comatmebro ( talk) 07:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I didn't realize there were so many fictional character pages here. I'm still new though so I'm learning a lot. I'll chock this up to being too bold. Now that I know more info based on your comments I think that Donaghy, Lemon, and Parcell definitely deserve their own pages, but still need work. I think I will take off the merge tags on all of them for now; though the Maroney one might be better off merged. I might start a new one for that later. Thanks for your input guys. Comatmebro ( talk) 02:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Liz Lemon seems notable because she is so closely related to Tina Fey, and Jack Donaghy seems notable because of all the awards won for his portrayal. As for Kenneth Parcell, I think he would be notable if there could be found evidence of his overwhelming sexism having a major effect. Tracy Jordan could be notable considering he was named by Entertainment Weekly as one of the top 100 characters in the past 20 years, but the article needs severe cleanup, including removal of sections such as "notable scenes". I can't see anything to prove Jenna Maroney would be notable unless some new information shows up soon. Brambleberry of RiverClan meow 18:28, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Is it still neutral to say that Dennis's plans are "moronic"? I mean, it's pretty obvious that they are, but I still don't think that it's neutral, as that is sort of a biased word. Just wondering if it matters enough to be changed. Brambleberry of RiverClan meow 23:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Liz Lemon currently gets two sections in the article:
Why? She is not different characters, merely the same character with a different name. At most, this warrants a comment to discuss the accidental marriage, but should not be written to introduce her as if a different character. It's also bizarre that the second occurrence (which relates mainly to a single episode, I believe) is so much more expansive than the first occurrence which relates to the main protagonist over the entire series. — sroc ( talk) 04:36, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone else think he needs a place under the "Recurring GE/NBC/Kabletown employees" section as a parody of himself? He's appeared in numerous episodes throughout the series (including last night's " There's No I in America") and has more than established himself as a reoccurring part. If I added him in would there be any objections? Jg2904 ( talk) 03:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Hey, how is there no section on Kevin Sorbo? Robin.lemstra ( talk) 14:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
The link for Brendan Walsh goes to the Wikipedia page of a chef that does not mention any acting or comedy work. Perhaps this should be Brendon Walsh (with an "o")? 74.71.77.184 ( talk) 03:39, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
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Isn't calling Dot-com the most "articulate" just code for least black? 208.27.3.153 ( talk) 01:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Nitpick: How can a list of recurring minor characters contain a list of major recurring characters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.11.244 ( talk) 08:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
"Tracy and Angie frequently use rather odd forms of sexual roleplaying" is that really encylopedic tone? isn't that more of a value judgement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.70.33 ( talk) 05:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Why did Cerie's page get merged here? It's better formatted on its own page. - Peregrinefisher 05:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
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Many of the refernces from this page can be verified at http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/category/30-rock/ That website has episode by episode recaps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IAmTheCoinMan ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. Ucucha 15:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Characters of 30 Rock → List of 30 Rock characters — This is the standard format for lists of characters from fictional works. Ungeniusman ( talk) 22:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
There was a move request recently at Talk:Leo Spaceman#Requested move which highlighted a question of notability. Is Leo Spaceman a notable enough character to warrant a separate article? The current article possesses three references at the moment, two of which relate to "Dr. Pepper commercials" with youtube videos. However, he is mentioned near the bottom of the article in the same section as minor characters. He is not a regular or major character, having appeared in just 13 of 80 episodes so far. Unless there is some as-yet-unseen evidence of notability, I think the article should be merged with the appropriate section in the "List of 30 Rock characters". I would have done this but the move request suggests that someone might disagree so it would be more appropriate to discuss this first. Green Giant ( talk) 11:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Would now be a good time to create a section for Paul, Jenna's boyfriend starting in season 4? He's been in several episodes now. Kevinbrogers ( talk) 07:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
All of these character pages ( Jack Donaghy, Liz Lemon, Tracy Jordan, Jenna Maroney and Kenneth Parcell) are nothing but fanpages that contain only "in-universe" material. The WP:notability (fiction) page says "Articles on fiction elements are expected to cover more about "real-world" aspects of the element, such as its development and reception, than "in-universe" details." These article do not mention any 'real world' aspects. They are completely unnecessary and don't need more than a brief overview on this page: List of 30 Rock characters. Comatmebro ( talk) 07:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I didn't realize there were so many fictional character pages here. I'm still new though so I'm learning a lot. I'll chock this up to being too bold. Now that I know more info based on your comments I think that Donaghy, Lemon, and Parcell definitely deserve their own pages, but still need work. I think I will take off the merge tags on all of them for now; though the Maroney one might be better off merged. I might start a new one for that later. Thanks for your input guys. Comatmebro ( talk) 02:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Liz Lemon seems notable because she is so closely related to Tina Fey, and Jack Donaghy seems notable because of all the awards won for his portrayal. As for Kenneth Parcell, I think he would be notable if there could be found evidence of his overwhelming sexism having a major effect. Tracy Jordan could be notable considering he was named by Entertainment Weekly as one of the top 100 characters in the past 20 years, but the article needs severe cleanup, including removal of sections such as "notable scenes". I can't see anything to prove Jenna Maroney would be notable unless some new information shows up soon. Brambleberry of RiverClan meow 18:28, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Is it still neutral to say that Dennis's plans are "moronic"? I mean, it's pretty obvious that they are, but I still don't think that it's neutral, as that is sort of a biased word. Just wondering if it matters enough to be changed. Brambleberry of RiverClan meow 23:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Liz Lemon currently gets two sections in the article:
Why? She is not different characters, merely the same character with a different name. At most, this warrants a comment to discuss the accidental marriage, but should not be written to introduce her as if a different character. It's also bizarre that the second occurrence (which relates mainly to a single episode, I believe) is so much more expansive than the first occurrence which relates to the main protagonist over the entire series. — sroc ( talk) 04:36, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone else think he needs a place under the "Recurring GE/NBC/Kabletown employees" section as a parody of himself? He's appeared in numerous episodes throughout the series (including last night's " There's No I in America") and has more than established himself as a reoccurring part. If I added him in would there be any objections? Jg2904 ( talk) 03:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Hey, how is there no section on Kevin Sorbo? Robin.lemstra ( talk) 14:58, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
The link for Brendan Walsh goes to the Wikipedia page of a chef that does not mention any acting or comedy work. Perhaps this should be Brendon Walsh (with an "o")? 74.71.77.184 ( talk) 03:39, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
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This entire article is written from an in-universe perspective. Would there be support for removing a bunch of "character attributes" that are actually just single-sentence jokes? Power~enwiki ( talk) 04:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
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