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The result of the move request was: not moved. RM was raised to test consensus on new name, and we now have a strong policy-based consensus supporting it (nice to have such a clear result on a tricky issue for a change, well done team). Andrewa ( talk) 16:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987) →? – (target page will depend upon consensus: possibilities are LiSA or Risa Oribe) First, the new title is rather long to type. Second, the article was moved without consensus. I know it's good to be bold, but I think it would have been better if there was some sort of discussion first before moving. Not moving it back because I want to see if there's consensus to keep this at the new title, or revert to the old one. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 22:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
The above was so well argued that I thought of adding it as an example at WP:NCPDAB, but the situation is already well covered there. Andrewa ( talk) 16:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
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@ Prosperosity: @ Tintor2: The lede has been revised somewhat, being given more meat and being split into two paragraphs. What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 03:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Prosperosity: @ Narutolovehinata5: Sorry for the long delay. There I moved a sentence from the discography article to serve as an intro to it. Does it look good? Tintor2 ( talk) 17:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Regarding the discography listing on the main page, I have added the studio albums, as comparable to Beyonce and other music artists that have split-off discographies. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Should the article's Musical style and influences section be restored to what it was at this edit, or should it remain in its current state? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 11:11, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hello. I'm japanese and please forgive my poor English.
「better known by her stage name LiSA (an acronym of Love is Same All),」 This article's acronym is very lies. Where is reference and evidence? 「Love is Same all」 is old band name Including LiSA and this band is dissolving from solo debut. Not an acronym. 「an acronym」 is a big lies and mistake and it is an insult to her.
This page for link [1] show live performers and the old band that it is not related to the current LiSA activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkmckr ( talk • contribs) 08:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
True root is Risa(Her Name) to LiSA (Musician Name) and LiSA to Love is Same All (old band) and LiSA to Love is Smile Always (Live Stage Name) and other to [L... i... S... A...]. Her stage name is not 「Same All」. Everything is a mistake.
For more information is Japanese Wikipedia [2]. Please do not spread the lie because it is English that many Japanese fans can not read. Japanese fans are disappointed with many lies for English article that was neglected for many years.
Thanks. Pkmckr ( talk) 09:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
References
Pkmckr, it's more of a backronym like how BoA used her name for Beat of Angel. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 15:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Please see
Juhachi's comment
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=LiSA_(Japanese_musician,_born_1987)&oldid=745870201 regarding use of Smile Always.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
20:19, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
The performer's name is stylized as LiSA. The former band name (Love is Same All) and tour names (Live is Smile Always) derive from the artist name, but the actual performer name stands alone. Unless there's a clear citation/interview/website to justify it, the acronym/backronym cannot be definitively stated. In the interest of avoiding further back and forth between overly excited editors (currently using all caps to make their points instead of actual citations), let's remove the acronym section until a definitive source can be identified. -- GimmeChoco44 ( talk) 19:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect LiSA. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 22:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
No consensus. After nearly a month, one relist and what could have been three relists, see no general agreement below among good arguments both in support of removing the parenthetical disambiguation and opposed to it. As is usual with no-consensus outcomes, editors can strengthen their args and try again in a few months to garner consensus for this change. Other titles were suggested below, and there is no prejudice if editors want to try to garner consensus for one or more of those. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 13:09, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987) be
renamed and moved to
LiSA.
The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment. Links:
current log •
target log |
LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987) →
LiSA – Per the reasons spelled out
here, I think it's time for a more
WP:PRECISE title. LiSA is an awfully specific stylization of
Lisa (disambiguation). As I proposed there, we could simply install a hatnote for any person who was confused.
WP:NATURALDIS should be preferred to the current disambiguation we have now. Though, it was recently pointed out to me that this article is the example used for
WP:SINGERDAB, but I'm taking my chances anyways!
Typing LiSA into the search bar is awfully different than typing in LISA, Lisa, or lisa. Unlike the others, this title can't be plausibly confused with anything else. Any links that result from typos can fixed as they already would (because mainspace links would be linking to a disamb. page anyways and need correcting). Hope that addresses most of the concerns, but I know
Steel1943 will make a more compelling case against this than I probably could preemptively muster. lol
Cheers! –
MJL
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☖ 00:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)--Relisting.
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18:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
The general approach is that whatever readers might type in the search box, they are guided as swiftly as possible to the topic they might reasonably be expected to be looking for, by such disambiguation techniques as hatnotes and/or disambiguation pages. When such navigation aids are in place, small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics, e.g. MAVEN vs. Maven; Airplane vs. Airplane!;etc. If someone types "lisa" into the search box, they could be looking for anything, so it's quite right they get a disambiguation page. If someone goes to the bother of typing L, I, Shift-and-hold, S, A, you can be pretty certain they're looking for the subject of this article, so that's what they should expect to get. In the extremely unlikely event that someone types that unusual capitalisation without looking for this person, a hatnote can direct them to the disambiguation page. "When such navigation aids are in place, small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics". I really can't see how that can be read any other way. Opera hat ( talk) 23:35, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such a title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English.No-one is likely to search for or naturally link to "Lisa Japanese musician born 1987", a totally unnatural combination of terms.
Precision – The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects.No-one else spells their stage name with this combination of capitals, so "LiSA" as a title is unambiguous.
Conciseness – The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects.Even if you don't accept WP:DIFFCAPS, the current title is far longer than it needs to be: there is no need to include "Japanese" when "(musician, born 1987)" would be sufficient. WP:ATDAB:
According to the above-mentioned precision criterion, when a more detailed title is necessary to distinguish an article topic from another, use only as much additional detail as necessary. For example, it would be redundant to title an article "Queen (rock band)", as Queen (band) is precise enough to distinguish the rock band from other uses of the term "Queen".In fact there are no other mononymous people called Lisa in Category:1987 births so you probably wouldn't even need the "musician", either. Opera hat ( talk) 23:58, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
role="search"
. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The result of the move request was: Moved. – robertsky ( talk) 14:00, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987) →
Lisa (Japanese musician, born 1987) – per
MOS:JAPAN the stylized capitalization doesn't belong in the name of the article -- the stylization is explained in the lead; -- a relevant example on Wikipedia would be The Gazette (band) or Dir En Grey.
GimmeChoco44 (
talk)
01:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
use the style that most closely resembles standard English text formatting and capitalization rules.That the derivation may be attributed to an acronym is immaterial since the artist is not also known as Love is Same All - ie there is a distinction between derivation and usage. Cinderella157 ( talk) 23:49, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
What is the main reason for the name of the article not be Risa Oribe? The only reason I see it's because not everyone know her like Risa Oribe. However redirects can solve it, can't it? If not, what about "Risa Oribe (LiSA)"? JosterFen ( talk) 13:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. RM was raised to test consensus on new name, and we now have a strong policy-based consensus supporting it (nice to have such a clear result on a tricky issue for a change, well done team). Andrewa ( talk) 16:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987) →? – (target page will depend upon consensus: possibilities are LiSA or Risa Oribe) First, the new title is rather long to type. Second, the article was moved without consensus. I know it's good to be bold, but I think it would have been better if there was some sort of discussion first before moving. Not moving it back because I want to see if there's consensus to keep this at the new title, or revert to the old one. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 22:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
The above was so well argued that I thought of adding it as an example at WP:NCPDAB, but the situation is already well covered there. Andrewa ( talk) 16:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
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Anyways, good work.
@ Prosperosity: @ Tintor2: The lede has been revised somewhat, being given more meat and being split into two paragraphs. What do you think? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 03:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Prosperosity: @ Narutolovehinata5: Sorry for the long delay. There I moved a sentence from the discography article to serve as an intro to it. Does it look good? Tintor2 ( talk) 17:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Regarding the discography listing on the main page, I have added the studio albums, as comparable to Beyonce and other music artists that have split-off discographies. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 20:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Should the article's Musical style and influences section be restored to what it was at this edit, or should it remain in its current state? Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 11:11, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hello. I'm japanese and please forgive my poor English.
「better known by her stage name LiSA (an acronym of Love is Same All),」 This article's acronym is very lies. Where is reference and evidence? 「Love is Same all」 is old band name Including LiSA and this band is dissolving from solo debut. Not an acronym. 「an acronym」 is a big lies and mistake and it is an insult to her.
This page for link [1] show live performers and the old band that it is not related to the current LiSA activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkmckr ( talk • contribs) 08:58, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
True root is Risa(Her Name) to LiSA (Musician Name) and LiSA to Love is Same All (old band) and LiSA to Love is Smile Always (Live Stage Name) and other to [L... i... S... A...]. Her stage name is not 「Same All」. Everything is a mistake.
For more information is Japanese Wikipedia [2]. Please do not spread the lie because it is English that many Japanese fans can not read. Japanese fans are disappointed with many lies for English article that was neglected for many years.
Thanks. Pkmckr ( talk) 09:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
References
Pkmckr, it's more of a backronym like how BoA used her name for Beat of Angel. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 15:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Please see
Juhachi's comment
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=LiSA_(Japanese_musician,_born_1987)&oldid=745870201 regarding use of Smile Always.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
20:19, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
The performer's name is stylized as LiSA. The former band name (Love is Same All) and tour names (Live is Smile Always) derive from the artist name, but the actual performer name stands alone. Unless there's a clear citation/interview/website to justify it, the acronym/backronym cannot be definitively stated. In the interest of avoiding further back and forth between overly excited editors (currently using all caps to make their points instead of actual citations), let's remove the acronym section until a definitive source can be identified. -- GimmeChoco44 ( talk) 19:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect LiSA. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 22:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
No consensus. After nearly a month, one relist and what could have been three relists, see no general agreement below among good arguments both in support of removing the parenthetical disambiguation and opposed to it. As is usual with no-consensus outcomes, editors can strengthen their args and try again in a few months to garner consensus for this change. Other titles were suggested below, and there is no prejudice if editors want to try to garner consensus for one or more of those. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 13:09, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987) be
renamed and moved to
LiSA.
The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment. Links:
current log •
target log |
LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987) →
LiSA – Per the reasons spelled out
here, I think it's time for a more
WP:PRECISE title. LiSA is an awfully specific stylization of
Lisa (disambiguation). As I proposed there, we could simply install a hatnote for any person who was confused.
WP:NATURALDIS should be preferred to the current disambiguation we have now. Though, it was recently pointed out to me that this article is the example used for
WP:SINGERDAB, but I'm taking my chances anyways!
Typing LiSA into the search bar is awfully different than typing in LISA, Lisa, or lisa. Unlike the others, this title can't be plausibly confused with anything else. Any links that result from typos can fixed as they already would (because mainspace links would be linking to a disamb. page anyways and need correcting). Hope that addresses most of the concerns, but I know
Steel1943 will make a more compelling case against this than I probably could preemptively muster. lol
Cheers! –
MJL
‐Talk‐
☖ 00:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)--Relisting.
©
Tbhotch
™ (
en-2.5).
18:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
The general approach is that whatever readers might type in the search box, they are guided as swiftly as possible to the topic they might reasonably be expected to be looking for, by such disambiguation techniques as hatnotes and/or disambiguation pages. When such navigation aids are in place, small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics, e.g. MAVEN vs. Maven; Airplane vs. Airplane!;etc. If someone types "lisa" into the search box, they could be looking for anything, so it's quite right they get a disambiguation page. If someone goes to the bother of typing L, I, Shift-and-hold, S, A, you can be pretty certain they're looking for the subject of this article, so that's what they should expect to get. In the extremely unlikely event that someone types that unusual capitalisation without looking for this person, a hatnote can direct them to the disambiguation page. "When such navigation aids are in place, small details are usually sufficient to distinguish topics". I really can't see how that can be read any other way. Opera hat ( talk) 23:35, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such a title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English.No-one is likely to search for or naturally link to "Lisa Japanese musician born 1987", a totally unnatural combination of terms.
Precision – The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects.No-one else spells their stage name with this combination of capitals, so "LiSA" as a title is unambiguous.
Conciseness – The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects.Even if you don't accept WP:DIFFCAPS, the current title is far longer than it needs to be: there is no need to include "Japanese" when "(musician, born 1987)" would be sufficient. WP:ATDAB:
According to the above-mentioned precision criterion, when a more detailed title is necessary to distinguish an article topic from another, use only as much additional detail as necessary. For example, it would be redundant to title an article "Queen (rock band)", as Queen (band) is precise enough to distinguish the rock band from other uses of the term "Queen".In fact there are no other mononymous people called Lisa in Category:1987 births so you probably wouldn't even need the "musician", either. Opera hat ( talk) 23:58, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
role="search"
. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The result of the move request was: Moved. – robertsky ( talk) 14:00, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
LiSA (Japanese musician, born 1987) →
Lisa (Japanese musician, born 1987) – per
MOS:JAPAN the stylized capitalization doesn't belong in the name of the article -- the stylization is explained in the lead; -- a relevant example on Wikipedia would be The Gazette (band) or Dir En Grey.
GimmeChoco44 (
talk)
01:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
use the style that most closely resembles standard English text formatting and capitalization rules.That the derivation may be attributed to an acronym is immaterial since the artist is not also known as Love is Same All - ie there is a distinction between derivation and usage. Cinderella157 ( talk) 23:49, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
What is the main reason for the name of the article not be Risa Oribe? The only reason I see it's because not everyone know her like Risa Oribe. However redirects can solve it, can't it? If not, what about "Risa Oribe (LiSA)"? JosterFen ( talk) 13:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)