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I haven't read the book this article is about, but the following paragraphs are problematic, and so have been moved here:
It isn't up to wikipedia to decide whether communist society/ies contain/ed shameful and sinister niches. Specific examples of what Zajdel regarded shameful and sinister would make excellent replacements for this sentence.
It isn't wikipedia's job to do literary criticism. If a notable literary critic or Zajdel himself has said that this is meant, then it would be more appropriate to start a section on literary criticism of this novel and include that information there, with appropriate references. If necessary, I can help out with how to add references to an article.
Same as above. Plus, this is very much not encyclopedic style. 'Commies' should be 'communists', and '=' should be replaced with something that is actually language.
First-person accounts are not encyclopedic in style. Plus, no reader has any idea who 'we' refers to. Additionally, any anecdotal information such as this should be referenced to some book, speech, or whatever. Finally, "Adam Snerg, too." isn't even a sentence, and it doesn't seem to be pertinent.
The following parts I left in the article, but they need work, too:
What does "upgrades people with low IQ" mean? He increases their IQ? If so, the article needs to make this clear.
What is a "cheating computer"? A computer designed to help people cheat the system? A computer that cheats? This needs to be explained more clearly. Plus, it isn't clear from the context who the "cheating computer" allowed to get better posts, etc.
It isn't at all clear from the context, and the experience of the average English speaker why or how this is at all relevant. Why does it matter that these shops only dealt with hard currency?
Examples of what? Stores where luxury goods are only avaliable with hard currency? This isn't immediately clear from the context. I'm guessing the sentence should read Examples of so-called "yellow curtain shops" are Pewex in Poland or Baltona in Russia., but I can't quite make out what meaning is intended.
I'm going to do some more copyediting, so the sentences above may not look quite the same as they do here, but the issues will no doubt remain. I very much hope that someone with more knowledge of the book will fix them. - Seth Mahoney 01:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
The article distorts and simplifies the underlining message of the book. The social system of the Agroland is not merely a description of life under communism in Poland - it is in fact a though-provoking tale of how would a merger of the two competing systems (communism, capitalism) look like (if aided with advanced technology). Looking at it from this prospective it is nearly prophetic, given the fact that it was written in 1982 when existence of post-cold-war world seemed utopian. EU of today (and US too I think) is much closer to the Zajdel's Agroland in many ways than 70-ties Poland was. AndyBrandt ( talk) 10:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
BTW - the plot summary was overly simplistic and in places wrong. For example Alice did not help Sneer recover his Key in any way. Edited to correct that and give the article more balance.
AndyBrandt (
talk) 10:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I would welcome newer literary criticism of this book. Zezen ( talk) 10:51, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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I haven't read the book this article is about, but the following paragraphs are problematic, and so have been moved here:
It isn't up to wikipedia to decide whether communist society/ies contain/ed shameful and sinister niches. Specific examples of what Zajdel regarded shameful and sinister would make excellent replacements for this sentence.
It isn't wikipedia's job to do literary criticism. If a notable literary critic or Zajdel himself has said that this is meant, then it would be more appropriate to start a section on literary criticism of this novel and include that information there, with appropriate references. If necessary, I can help out with how to add references to an article.
Same as above. Plus, this is very much not encyclopedic style. 'Commies' should be 'communists', and '=' should be replaced with something that is actually language.
First-person accounts are not encyclopedic in style. Plus, no reader has any idea who 'we' refers to. Additionally, any anecdotal information such as this should be referenced to some book, speech, or whatever. Finally, "Adam Snerg, too." isn't even a sentence, and it doesn't seem to be pertinent.
The following parts I left in the article, but they need work, too:
What does "upgrades people with low IQ" mean? He increases their IQ? If so, the article needs to make this clear.
What is a "cheating computer"? A computer designed to help people cheat the system? A computer that cheats? This needs to be explained more clearly. Plus, it isn't clear from the context who the "cheating computer" allowed to get better posts, etc.
It isn't at all clear from the context, and the experience of the average English speaker why or how this is at all relevant. Why does it matter that these shops only dealt with hard currency?
Examples of what? Stores where luxury goods are only avaliable with hard currency? This isn't immediately clear from the context. I'm guessing the sentence should read Examples of so-called "yellow curtain shops" are Pewex in Poland or Baltona in Russia., but I can't quite make out what meaning is intended.
I'm going to do some more copyediting, so the sentences above may not look quite the same as they do here, but the issues will no doubt remain. I very much hope that someone with more knowledge of the book will fix them. - Seth Mahoney 01:59, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
The article distorts and simplifies the underlining message of the book. The social system of the Agroland is not merely a description of life under communism in Poland - it is in fact a though-provoking tale of how would a merger of the two competing systems (communism, capitalism) look like (if aided with advanced technology). Looking at it from this prospective it is nearly prophetic, given the fact that it was written in 1982 when existence of post-cold-war world seemed utopian. EU of today (and US too I think) is much closer to the Zajdel's Agroland in many ways than 70-ties Poland was. AndyBrandt ( talk) 10:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
BTW - the plot summary was overly simplistic and in places wrong. For example Alice did not help Sneer recover his Key in any way. Edited to correct that and give the article more balance.
AndyBrandt (
talk) 10:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I would welcome newer literary criticism of this book. Zezen ( talk) 10:51, 16 June 2019 (UTC)