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I think we can now upload an image under fair use using Template:Non-free_use_rationale_biog - but I'm mostly finding ones with a respirator on or face mask, which aren't necessarily ideal; does anyone have a suggestion for a photo? Mvolz ( talk) 09:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
The three Weibo quotes used in a row in the article are a bit much. "Another user commented, "I also want to lie in the exclamation mark. I am an exclamation mark, but also a drop of tear." Others wrote, "some people use snow to hide something, while some use snow to exclaim."People also questioned, "will it be forgotten as usual, when the snow melts?" ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 00:02, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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replace 'eye doctor' by 'ophthalmologist' TonyXinli ( talk) 01:23, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I believed that the article should add blpo notice. Given that the sensitivity of Chinese politics and his family is in China. Mariogoods ( talk) 05:15, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
( CST 17:43)
- Li: There are 7 confirmed cases of SARS at Huanan Seafood Market.
- Li: (Picture of diagnosis report)
- Li: (Video of CT scan results)
- Li: They are being isolated in the emergency department of our hospital's Houhu Hospital District.
(CST 18:42)
- Someone: Be careful, or else our chat group might be dismissed.
- Li: The latest news is, it has been confirmed that they are coronavirus infections, but the exact virus is being subtyped.
- Li: Don't circulate the information outside of this group, tell your family and loved ones to take precautions.
- Li: In 1937, coronaviruses were first isolated from chicken...
Source: screenshots in The Beijing News report [1]
He just first notified it. He is not a hero. The scale and speed of this virus was not known. 202.9.46.47 ( talk) 17:13, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
a person who informs on a person or organization regarded as engaging in an unlawful or immoral activity.If so, which organisation specifically was Li informing on, and what illegal/immoral acts were they committing? Thanks. Acalycine ( talk) 10:37, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
References
If someone hasvsome time for this sources :
Yug (talk) 19:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
The given date of birth 12 October 1986, which just comes from a police report on 3 January 2020, contradicts almost all recent sources, which say that Li Wenliang died at the age of 34, e.g.:
Vincent Lefèvre ( talk) 21:57, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
今年34岁。they are using East Asian age reckoning and the English-language sources are just misinterpreting their Chinese primary sources? My Chinese is not great and I'm essentially reading in Japanese kanbun kundoku, but
今年34岁。looks like "He [would be] 34 this year", which interpretation does not contradict the police report.
died at the age of 34is more dubious than
born on 12 October 1986, and so have tagged both accordingly, and moved the tag out of the lead, where it was misplaced. (The lead simply summarized the article body, so tagging something in the lead but not in the body is inappropriate.)
the only primiary source about the birth date is from the police recordNot sure if you noticed, but apparently he had a photo taken of him holding his ID up; the published version of in the above tweet has the month and day blurred out, but the year is clearly 1986, which does not contradict the police report and rather has about a 90% likelihood of agreeing with the police report.
I posed this question in the Chinese Wikipedia here:
Hopefully, someone there can help resolve what was Li Wenliang's actual year of birth.
Enquire (
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>>Already used. SWP13 ( talk) 17:08, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
That would be a good way to honor Dr. Li's legacy. Anyone interested in working on this? 72.209.60.95 ( talk) 05:47, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Li's chat mentioned that 1937 coronavirus was isolation from chicken. We someone search that source and include in External links section. Thanks, SWP13 ( talk) 17:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
With all the deaths that are occurring from this disease right now, I think we should add an entire category page about the deaths from it. 2606:A000:1322:8149:DCCF:8B01:2B9C:634F ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I have tried to add Li's CCP membership to his bio twice, and that has been removed by probably the same person twice (since the IP address is close and they have the same ban log). So I'm looking for some discussion here.
The first time he removed my edit with the reason "There are no political parties in China other than the Communist Party. Therefore, it is pointless to say that this person was a member of the Communist Party as part of his description." This is objectly false as there are other political parties in China. You may say they are just puppets of CCP or whatever, but they are still separate organizations, and as such you should not assume a Chinese can only be a member of CCP.
The second time he removed my edit with the reason "Mentioning that this particular individual was supposedly a member of the communist party is clear pandering by Chinese trolls. It is not common practice to list the political party of other scientists or doctors." Ignoring the ad hominem attack, the difference between Li and other scientists/doctors is that Li is also a whistleblower, and his membership is important to consider his motivation. From the article we can clearly see "he wrote in a private WeChat group of his medical school classmates" and "He was upset when the discussion gained a wider audience than he expected". Yet, I have seen plenty of people trying to portrait him as some sort of anti-CCP hero, which is not his intention. Here is one example I just saw that pushed me to talk here. As such I believe the membership is helpful to remind the future readers that there is more nuance to his story.
I also quickly reviewed this page in 9 other languages listed on the side bar. 4 of them list his party membership (Español, Français, 日本語, 中文). I do not see why this information need to be suppressed twice.
75.43.140.144 ( talk) 01:15, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
1.
In the article, under the CORONAVIRUS INFECTION section, it says:
"On 12 January, [Dr] Li was admitted to intensive care at Houhu Hospital District, Wuhan Central Hospital, where he was quarantined, treated, and tested ... "
Then in the next section, DEATH, it says:
"According to a colleague, Li's condition became critical on 5 February. On 6 February, while Li was on the phone with a friend, he told the friend that he was having trouble breathing and that his oxygen saturation had dropped to 85%. At around 19:00, he was sent to the emergency room.""
Why would he have been removed from an ICU in order to be taken to the emergency room? Unless he was no longer in an ICU when he failed, but had been stepped-down to a standard medical floor, and there was no room in the ICU for him to return there? Please clarify.
2.
I did not read the following in any RS or even non-RS, but in the comment section to an online newspaper article. The poster claimed that Dr Li's wife was hospitalized in critical condition with the virus. Is this true? If so, did she survive and did her fetus survive?
Thank you, Wordreader ( talk) 20:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
In the intro, it claimed he warned people worldwide. But that's an overstatement. He only warned his fellow medics. There didn't seem to be any indication that he even planned to tell the rest of the world, and after he got arrested and the virus was already well known.. That was when he had interviews with the international media but before then. When the virus was relatively unknown, he only told his colleagues only. That's not the same thing as warning people internationally or worldwide.
https://www.aao.org/headline/coronavirus-kills-chinese-whistleblower-ophthalmol Destinyseeker89 ( talk) 06:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
The book "Snake Oil: How Xi Jinpeng Shut Down The World" claims that there is no evidence of Li Wenliang's existence prior to January 27th, 2020, and there is no corroborating evidence of his allegedly viral warnings about the new virus prior to February beyond claims in government-controlled news outlets. It ought to be easy to puncture this conspiracy theory. What sources exist that can be confirmed to be before those dates, and which are not under the control of the Chinese government, referring to Li Wenliang or his warning? 2601:600:8180:7560:433:AFA4:6F6B:2124 ( talk) 06:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795
There are contradictory sources on the date of death:
"Life Times" frontline reporters confirmed that Dr. Li Wenliang passed away at 21:30 on February 6 due to infection with new coronavirus pneumonia.
After all-out efforts to rescue him, he passed away at 2:58 a.m. on February 7, 2020.
Which one is correct?
EDIT: The Guardian says "died in the early hours of Friday local time", thus February 7. The Lancet] also says February 7.
— Vincent Lefèvre ( talk) 22:45, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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I think we can now upload an image under fair use using Template:Non-free_use_rationale_biog - but I'm mostly finding ones with a respirator on or face mask, which aren't necessarily ideal; does anyone have a suggestion for a photo? Mvolz ( talk) 09:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
The three Weibo quotes used in a row in the article are a bit much. "Another user commented, "I also want to lie in the exclamation mark. I am an exclamation mark, but also a drop of tear." Others wrote, "some people use snow to hide something, while some use snow to exclaim."People also questioned, "will it be forgotten as usual, when the snow melts?" ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 00:02, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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replace 'eye doctor' by 'ophthalmologist' TonyXinli ( talk) 01:23, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I believed that the article should add blpo notice. Given that the sensitivity of Chinese politics and his family is in China. Mariogoods ( talk) 05:15, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
( CST 17:43)
- Li: There are 7 confirmed cases of SARS at Huanan Seafood Market.
- Li: (Picture of diagnosis report)
- Li: (Video of CT scan results)
- Li: They are being isolated in the emergency department of our hospital's Houhu Hospital District.
(CST 18:42)
- Someone: Be careful, or else our chat group might be dismissed.
- Li: The latest news is, it has been confirmed that they are coronavirus infections, but the exact virus is being subtyped.
- Li: Don't circulate the information outside of this group, tell your family and loved ones to take precautions.
- Li: In 1937, coronaviruses were first isolated from chicken...
Source: screenshots in The Beijing News report [1]
He just first notified it. He is not a hero. The scale and speed of this virus was not known. 202.9.46.47 ( talk) 17:13, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
a person who informs on a person or organization regarded as engaging in an unlawful or immoral activity.If so, which organisation specifically was Li informing on, and what illegal/immoral acts were they committing? Thanks. Acalycine ( talk) 10:37, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
References
If someone hasvsome time for this sources :
Yug (talk) 19:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
The given date of birth 12 October 1986, which just comes from a police report on 3 January 2020, contradicts almost all recent sources, which say that Li Wenliang died at the age of 34, e.g.:
Vincent Lefèvre ( talk) 21:57, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
今年34岁。they are using East Asian age reckoning and the English-language sources are just misinterpreting their Chinese primary sources? My Chinese is not great and I'm essentially reading in Japanese kanbun kundoku, but
今年34岁。looks like "He [would be] 34 this year", which interpretation does not contradict the police report.
died at the age of 34is more dubious than
born on 12 October 1986, and so have tagged both accordingly, and moved the tag out of the lead, where it was misplaced. (The lead simply summarized the article body, so tagging something in the lead but not in the body is inappropriate.)
the only primiary source about the birth date is from the police recordNot sure if you noticed, but apparently he had a photo taken of him holding his ID up; the published version of in the above tweet has the month and day blurred out, but the year is clearly 1986, which does not contradict the police report and rather has about a 90% likelihood of agreeing with the police report.
I posed this question in the Chinese Wikipedia here:
Hopefully, someone there can help resolve what was Li Wenliang's actual year of birth.
Enquire (
talk)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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ignored (
help)Yug (talk) 23:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
>>Already used. SWP13 ( talk) 17:08, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
That would be a good way to honor Dr. Li's legacy. Anyone interested in working on this? 72.209.60.95 ( talk) 05:47, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Li's chat mentioned that 1937 coronavirus was isolation from chicken. We someone search that source and include in External links section. Thanks, SWP13 ( talk) 17:18, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
With all the deaths that are occurring from this disease right now, I think we should add an entire category page about the deaths from it. 2606:A000:1322:8149:DCCF:8B01:2B9C:634F ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
I have tried to add Li's CCP membership to his bio twice, and that has been removed by probably the same person twice (since the IP address is close and they have the same ban log). So I'm looking for some discussion here.
The first time he removed my edit with the reason "There are no political parties in China other than the Communist Party. Therefore, it is pointless to say that this person was a member of the Communist Party as part of his description." This is objectly false as there are other political parties in China. You may say they are just puppets of CCP or whatever, but they are still separate organizations, and as such you should not assume a Chinese can only be a member of CCP.
The second time he removed my edit with the reason "Mentioning that this particular individual was supposedly a member of the communist party is clear pandering by Chinese trolls. It is not common practice to list the political party of other scientists or doctors." Ignoring the ad hominem attack, the difference between Li and other scientists/doctors is that Li is also a whistleblower, and his membership is important to consider his motivation. From the article we can clearly see "he wrote in a private WeChat group of his medical school classmates" and "He was upset when the discussion gained a wider audience than he expected". Yet, I have seen plenty of people trying to portrait him as some sort of anti-CCP hero, which is not his intention. Here is one example I just saw that pushed me to talk here. As such I believe the membership is helpful to remind the future readers that there is more nuance to his story.
I also quickly reviewed this page in 9 other languages listed on the side bar. 4 of them list his party membership (Español, Français, 日本語, 中文). I do not see why this information need to be suppressed twice.
75.43.140.144 ( talk) 01:15, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
1.
In the article, under the CORONAVIRUS INFECTION section, it says:
"On 12 January, [Dr] Li was admitted to intensive care at Houhu Hospital District, Wuhan Central Hospital, where he was quarantined, treated, and tested ... "
Then in the next section, DEATH, it says:
"According to a colleague, Li's condition became critical on 5 February. On 6 February, while Li was on the phone with a friend, he told the friend that he was having trouble breathing and that his oxygen saturation had dropped to 85%. At around 19:00, he was sent to the emergency room.""
Why would he have been removed from an ICU in order to be taken to the emergency room? Unless he was no longer in an ICU when he failed, but had been stepped-down to a standard medical floor, and there was no room in the ICU for him to return there? Please clarify.
2.
I did not read the following in any RS or even non-RS, but in the comment section to an online newspaper article. The poster claimed that Dr Li's wife was hospitalized in critical condition with the virus. Is this true? If so, did she survive and did her fetus survive?
Thank you, Wordreader ( talk) 20:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
In the intro, it claimed he warned people worldwide. But that's an overstatement. He only warned his fellow medics. There didn't seem to be any indication that he even planned to tell the rest of the world, and after he got arrested and the virus was already well known.. That was when he had interviews with the international media but before then. When the virus was relatively unknown, he only told his colleagues only. That's not the same thing as warning people internationally or worldwide.
https://www.aao.org/headline/coronavirus-kills-chinese-whistleblower-ophthalmol Destinyseeker89 ( talk) 06:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
The book "Snake Oil: How Xi Jinpeng Shut Down The World" claims that there is no evidence of Li Wenliang's existence prior to January 27th, 2020, and there is no corroborating evidence of his allegedly viral warnings about the new virus prior to February beyond claims in government-controlled news outlets. It ought to be easy to puncture this conspiracy theory. What sources exist that can be confirmed to be before those dates, and which are not under the control of the Chinese government, referring to Li Wenliang or his warning? 2601:600:8180:7560:433:AFA4:6F6B:2124 ( talk) 06:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Four days later he was summoned to the Public Security Bureau where he was told to sign a letter. In the letter he was accused of "making false comments" that had "severely disturbed the social order".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795
There are contradictory sources on the date of death:
"Life Times" frontline reporters confirmed that Dr. Li Wenliang passed away at 21:30 on February 6 due to infection with new coronavirus pneumonia.
After all-out efforts to rescue him, he passed away at 2:58 a.m. on February 7, 2020.
Which one is correct?
EDIT: The Guardian says "died in the early hours of Friday local time", thus February 7. The Lancet] also says February 7.
— Vincent Lefèvre ( talk) 22:45, 11 May 2024 (UTC)