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I am surprised to see the last undo and the note in the article that Janáček was a Czech composer and that this is supported by sources. So let me open a discussion on this issue, let's do this in a civil way and support our claims by suitable references. As I have no sources that I can quote I will not take a stand but I am willing to learn something new about my beloved composer. TomyDuby ( talk) 21:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
He was a Moravian. Obviously. He was born and lived his life in Moravia. Why should others cash in on his nationality (which in any case, if anything, was Austrian as Moravia was then Austrian Crown Land). 2A00:23C4:B617:7D01:1515:1B5E:86A6:731 ( talk) 09:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Pyrotec ( talk · contribs) 16:00, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I've been looking at the article as well as reviewing another GAN for most today. I've made no alterations to the article (its often more effective to wikilink or correct a typo rather than list it in the review as a "problem", wait for corrective action to take place and then reassess), so my footprint on this article is very small.
To be precise, I'm not listing any corrective actions, so I'm now going straight to the final assessment stage. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
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A comprehensive, informative and easy to read article on Leoš Janáček.
I'm awarding this article GA-status without hesitation. I suspect that with further work it could make WP:FAC if that was the aim of its contributors. This was not intended as an FA-assessment. If it was, I would have expected the lead to have been expanded to provide more of a summary of the main points of the article and the one paragraph without a citation. But as this is GA, I'm not going to.
Congratulations on a fine article. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
The article says [ˈlɛoʃ ˈjanaːt͡ʃɛk] (first syllable stressed) but in the audio sample the stress seems clearly on the second syllable – ??? Dan ☺ 13:52, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
In the audio file, both the first and second syllables seem to have roughly equal stress to me. For what it's worth, It probably would have been [jaˈnaːtʃɛk] in his local dialect. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 09:40, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
I am sure the first syllable is stressed, while the second has a long vowel. In Czech, word stress and vowel length are two quite different and distinct things. The stressed 'Ja-' is marked with a slightly higher pitch. This is Czech, not Italian!... 153.19.31.79 ( talk) Wojciech Żełaniec
In the first audio sample (female voice) the stress is clearly on the first (short) syllable, whereas the second syllable is long and unstressed. The standard Czech pronunciation is definitely [ˈlɛoʃ ˈjanaːt͡ʃɛk] (fixed first-syllable stress). However there are some Czech-Silesian dialects with the fixed penult stress (like in Polish). It may be the case of the dialect spoken in Janáček's native
Hukvaldy, but most Czechs pronounce Janáček's last name "normally" with stress on the first syllable.
Bibulus (
talk) 07:28, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
In the both pronunciations, in this great musician's surname, I discern the stress clearly on the second syllable; i.e. I hear it as [jaˈnaːtʃɛk] not [ˈjanaːtʃɛk]. Besides this, I have heard it many times with a strong stress on the second syllable. Please check out this website too. Is here also the issue of long and short vowels discussed in Czech, as has been mentioned above? In this case, I have no Czech phonological knowledge. – Hamid Hassani ( talk) 11:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone else feels, as I do, that sections 4 through 6 are perhaps out of order. I'm hesitant to make a change unless there is a consensus. It seems in particular that sections 4 and 6 fall in the wrong order; shouldn't inspiration precede legacy? I think, too, that section 5 is unduly prominent, especially in view of the fact that these criticisms look rather misguided when we consider current estimations of this composer. I feel a more natural order would be 4 -- Inspiration, 5 -- Legacy, 6 -- Criticism. Ishboyfay ( talk) 00:07, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Hey, so I don't know how to properly add links here, but citation 42 is listed as a dead link and I found it on the Wayback Machine. https://web.archive.org/web/20130613153353/http://www.leosjanacek.com/glagolitic.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSU150-HistoryIntern ( talk • contribs) 06:09, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Am I not understanding something, or does the IPA pronunciation shown here, incorrectly show the accent on the first syllable of Janáček instead of on the second syllable? Bhami ( talk) 20:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Lots of uncited sections, cn tags since July 2020. Z1720 ( talk) 17:37, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Janáček was an atheist, and critical of the organized Church, but religious themes appear frequently in his work. [1] The Glagolitic Mass was partly inspired by the suggestion by a clerical friend and partly by Janáček's wish to celebrate the anniversary of Czechoslovak independence.
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I am surprised to see the last undo and the note in the article that Janáček was a Czech composer and that this is supported by sources. So let me open a discussion on this issue, let's do this in a civil way and support our claims by suitable references. As I have no sources that I can quote I will not take a stand but I am willing to learn something new about my beloved composer. TomyDuby ( talk) 21:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
He was a Moravian. Obviously. He was born and lived his life in Moravia. Why should others cash in on his nationality (which in any case, if anything, was Austrian as Moravia was then Austrian Crown Land). 2A00:23C4:B617:7D01:1515:1B5E:86A6:731 ( talk) 09:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Pyrotec ( talk · contribs) 16:00, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I've been looking at the article as well as reviewing another GAN for most today. I've made no alterations to the article (its often more effective to wikilink or correct a typo rather than list it in the review as a "problem", wait for corrective action to take place and then reassess), so my footprint on this article is very small.
To be precise, I'm not listing any corrective actions, so I'm now going straight to the final assessment stage. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
GA review – see
WP:WIAGA for criteria
A comprehensive, informative and easy to read article on Leoš Janáček.
I'm awarding this article GA-status without hesitation. I suspect that with further work it could make WP:FAC if that was the aim of its contributors. This was not intended as an FA-assessment. If it was, I would have expected the lead to have been expanded to provide more of a summary of the main points of the article and the one paragraph without a citation. But as this is GA, I'm not going to.
Congratulations on a fine article. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:52, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
The article says [ˈlɛoʃ ˈjanaːt͡ʃɛk] (first syllable stressed) but in the audio sample the stress seems clearly on the second syllable – ??? Dan ☺ 13:52, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
In the audio file, both the first and second syllables seem to have roughly equal stress to me. For what it's worth, It probably would have been [jaˈnaːtʃɛk] in his local dialect. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 09:40, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
I am sure the first syllable is stressed, while the second has a long vowel. In Czech, word stress and vowel length are two quite different and distinct things. The stressed 'Ja-' is marked with a slightly higher pitch. This is Czech, not Italian!... 153.19.31.79 ( talk) Wojciech Żełaniec
In the first audio sample (female voice) the stress is clearly on the first (short) syllable, whereas the second syllable is long and unstressed. The standard Czech pronunciation is definitely [ˈlɛoʃ ˈjanaːt͡ʃɛk] (fixed first-syllable stress). However there are some Czech-Silesian dialects with the fixed penult stress (like in Polish). It may be the case of the dialect spoken in Janáček's native
Hukvaldy, but most Czechs pronounce Janáček's last name "normally" with stress on the first syllable.
Bibulus (
talk) 07:28, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
In the both pronunciations, in this great musician's surname, I discern the stress clearly on the second syllable; i.e. I hear it as [jaˈnaːtʃɛk] not [ˈjanaːtʃɛk]. Besides this, I have heard it many times with a strong stress on the second syllable. Please check out this website too. Is here also the issue of long and short vowels discussed in Czech, as has been mentioned above? In this case, I have no Czech phonological knowledge. – Hamid Hassani ( talk) 11:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone else feels, as I do, that sections 4 through 6 are perhaps out of order. I'm hesitant to make a change unless there is a consensus. It seems in particular that sections 4 and 6 fall in the wrong order; shouldn't inspiration precede legacy? I think, too, that section 5 is unduly prominent, especially in view of the fact that these criticisms look rather misguided when we consider current estimations of this composer. I feel a more natural order would be 4 -- Inspiration, 5 -- Legacy, 6 -- Criticism. Ishboyfay ( talk) 00:07, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Hey, so I don't know how to properly add links here, but citation 42 is listed as a dead link and I found it on the Wayback Machine. https://web.archive.org/web/20130613153353/http://www.leosjanacek.com/glagolitic.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by CSU150-HistoryIntern ( talk • contribs) 06:09, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Am I not understanding something, or does the IPA pronunciation shown here, incorrectly show the accent on the first syllable of Janáček instead of on the second syllable? Bhami ( talk) 20:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Lots of uncited sections, cn tags since July 2020. Z1720 ( talk) 17:37, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Janáček was an atheist, and critical of the organized Church, but religious themes appear frequently in his work. [1] The Glagolitic Mass was partly inspired by the suggestion by a clerical friend and partly by Janáček's wish to celebrate the anniversary of Czechoslovak independence.
References