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Apparently, there is a major difference between how I see sources and how Koala sees them. There is currently a source being used to cite a production start date of March 18. This was originally sourced by SSinsider, which does not appear to pass the kosher test for reliability. It's a website run by 2 people, neither of which appear to have any form of credentialing or identifiable experience in the film industry as reports or direct film workers. Their "partner" sites are even less reliable and there isn't any obvious editorial oversight. The date was then replaced with this source from Den of Geek that cites this article from Deadline as their source. First, we don't cite sources that cite other sources....we go to the original source for the most reliable information. Now, Deadline is considered reliable generally, but Deadline did not actually say production started on May 18. There is no reliable source confirming this specific date. We know from pictures that filming began in May, but not what specific date. These sources need to be removed and it needs to be changed to "May 2015", which is supported by reliable sources. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:32, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
The production portion of this article is now outdated considering it is now December and filming was said to continue trough June. There should also be information on the film's release (when it is scheduled to be released) as well.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 21:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Has there been any new updates on the film? It is slated for a 2016 release but the exact date has not been announced as far as I can tell.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 18:09, 23 February 2016 (UTC) The film is slated for an October release in 2016.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 23:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
When was this film ever confirmed for a 2016 release? Smells like original research to me. Dark Knight 2149 19:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Before anyone tries to add "2 January 2017" as the release date, you should know that IMDB is not a reliable source and that Bloody-Disgusting has just confirmed that that supposed release date is fake ( [1]). So unless you have a reliable source, please don't try to add it. Dark Knight 2149 00:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm suspecting that this is just going to do direct to video or it's going to be release in a film festival, if not it may not even be release.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 19:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
We should probably include that into the article since it's important. I'll talk to you more about expanding the L:eatherface article tomorrow when I have the time.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 04:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Here's some new references(will add more later):
http://deadline.com/2015/05/leatherface-nu-image-cannes-bus-657-i-am-wrath-1201420765/
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/leatherface/246002/nu-image-adds-leatherface-to-cannes-market - Don't know if this is trustworthy or not.
http://horrornchill.com/news/leatherface-release/ - Possibly untrustworthy.
I'm going to look for sources pertaining to the film's extensive reshoots and substantial delay in terms of release. Right now, the only one we have is Bloody-Disgusting stating that it may have had something to do with Blair Witch underperforming. Dark Knight 2149 19:39, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Some of the information in this article will need to be added to the userspace for my Leatherface expansion article. Here's the link if you don't know where it is: User:Paleface Jack/Leatherface (Revision)-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 16:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's even notable enough to create a "Marketing" section (probably not), but the trailer is out now. Dark Knight 2149 17:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I think it is, as long as there are enough news outlets that announce it as well.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Despite the fact that we know the film is a mystery regarding who becomes the killer (
[3],
[4],
[5]) and that it isn't publicly released until September, various IP addresses/users have been trying to add "Jedidiah Sawyer" and "Leatherface" to
Sam Strike and
James Bloor in the Cast section without any link to a
reliable source. I added
these notes to Strike, Bloor, and Sam Coleman in an attempt to stop or slow these edits down, but it hasn't seemed to work. Honestly, the only other thing that I know to do if it continues is request page protection.
It should be noted that, back in early 2015, Sam Strike was
initially reported to be playing Leatherface, before the whole mystery angle was
clarified by news sources. This might be where some of the rumours are coming from.
Dark
Knight
2149
00:56, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking if we are going for making this article GA and possibly FA status we will need to find some appropriate images to use in this article. I was thinking for the development section we could use an image of Gunnar Hanson since the quote about Leatherface's characterization and inspiration is partially based on Hanson's quote.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 15:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I just tested the edit. Which is better? The image or the quote box? Tagging all users on Talk Page: @ Paleface Jack: @ Bignole: @ MichaelQSchmidt: Dark Knight 2149 01:02, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Try it and see. If a better image comes along we'll be sure to use it.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 03:47, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Just noticed how the rating of the film on Rotten Tomatoes keeps on getting lower and lower. Hopefully it stays positive and doesn't go below 60%, it really looks like it could reinvigorate the franchise.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 20:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Hopefully not, although I'm not sure what to think at the moment. Hopefully it's more positive.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 23:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC) (As the rating continues to drop on Rt) Stupid critics. My guess is their comparing this to the original film instead of judging it on it's own terms. Has happened to many a film unfortunately.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 16:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Did the story make sense for the character?-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 16:38, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I bet you it will get an extended cut.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 18:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I found a couple of news articles claiming that Leatherface will internationally released on DVD/Blu-Ray on 19 December 2017, with images of alleged cover art and everything. This is just from today. Are these sources legit? Source 1, Source 2 Dark Knight 2149 02:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone has been following the edit history enough to observe the mystical adventures of this film's anomalous international box office, but the reported earnings keep fluctuating up and down. Have you ever seen a movie make less money over time? Yeah... I have no idea what is going on with that. My best guess is that the initial reports over-estimated how much the film earned and they just keep adjusting it. Either way, this is odd. Dark Knight 2149 01:38, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
As far as I remember, the Saywers were supposed to be cannibals. Why are they feeding their victims to their pigs?-- 2003:6F:8C56:5115:5DA7:BFCB:535:32C8 ( talk) 15:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
It's interesting that fan's wanted more gore considering the original had almost none, it was all suggested.--Paleface Jack 21:51, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
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Sorry for the delay in finding a reviewer. I will look at this over the next few days and leave a review. AIRcorn (talk) 23:36, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
My main concerns are with the plot and reception sections. I have left some comments below the review. Not all relate to the criteria and some are just general questions. However some expand on what I have written here and will need to be addressed before i can pass the article
It is the eighth film in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise (TCM)Is TCM supposed to be a abbreviation for the whole franchise or just the Texas Chainsaw Massacre part.
Leatherface is a mentally disabled serial killer seen throughout the TCM franchiseit is essentially saying "Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise franchise". Are you sure it shouldn't be "It is the eighth film in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre (TCM) franchise." AIRcorn (talk) 16:11, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Lionsgate and Millennium Films lost the rights to produce future Texas Chainsaw Massacre films because of the delayI am assuming this means the delay in releasing the film. Maybe it could be made clearer.
Jedidiah crafts Hartman's and Elizabeth's flesh into a mask and dons it to a mirror as he applies lipstick.This sentence needs a copy edit
The fictional Deputy SorellsWhy say fictional?
the father of Sally Hardesty and Franklin HardestyWould father of Sally and Franklin be better instead of using Hardesty three times? Also might need some more context as too who they are.
referring the project simply asSyntax is out
Seth M. Sherwood was announced to write the filmThat doesn't read right.
Julien Maury and Alexandre Bustillo were hired to direct the film,[46] who admired its distinction in narrative from the series'Same here
In March and April 2015, Sam Strike, James Bloor, Stephen Dorff, and Jessica Madsen joined the cast, respectivelyI am not sure respectively works with so many people over uneven dates
cars modeled after that of the periodafter that of the?
with the creation of Leatherface's first flesh-mask cited by Sherwood as his personal favouriteNot sure what that means
building a realistic cow carcassIs this relevant to the plot? I don't remember reading about it, but if most of the budget was spent on it it might warrant a mention. If not there here maybe?
afraid that they wouldn't make back their investment after another film underperformedNot clear how this relates to Leatherface?
and wide distribution via Video on demandDoes Video need to be capitilised?
This is coming along nicely. Let me know when you have the reception section done and I will finish this up. AIRcorn (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
I am adding this because Ironman7777 keeps routinely adding "slasher film" to the article without a citation to a reliable source (disregard the troll sock puppeteer that keeps spamming the article with Maylasian IP addresses... And occasionally impersonation accounts). This results in what is gradually becoming a slow motion edit war, and he seems to be the only good faith user still adding this. At this point, it's become clear that Talk Page discussion is needed before this actually does get out of hand.
While all of the previous Texas Chainsaw Massacre films were slasher films, Leatherface is very different from the other films and it doesn't even follow the "killer taking people out one-by-one" trope that defines the slasher film subgenre. In fact, the only point that this film even remotely resembled a slasher film is during one scene at the end, where Leatherface chases Lizzy. It was clearly an attempt at trying something different, and we even have sources in this very article from the directors, writer, and producers all saying that "doing something different" was one of their main goals.
Likewise, I can find no reliable sources that say this film is a slasher movie. The only source for a subgenre I was able to dig up was when the directors called it a "brutal, disillusioned road movie." That honestly sounds about right. Most of it is about teenagers running from the law after escaping a mental institution. Besides a single chase scene, the plot had nothing to do with a killer picking people off one-by-one. That comes later in the timeline... When the Leatherface character exists and is actually killing people. I'm not criticising the film, but it's definitely not a slasher. Dark Knight 2149 18:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
This is a late response to the edit summary ping here. I reviewed the article for GA status and suggested then that Grasse should be red linked. First I want to make clear that this is in no way a requirement for passing GA. It was more a suggestion for how I thought the article could be improved. To my mind it is a big enough release that one of the main starring actors should be notable enough for their own article. There seems to be enough sources [6] that if someone was interested in creating the article it would probably survive deletion. Anyway the guideline is at WP:RED and editors here can decide if she merits one or not. AIRcorn (talk) 21:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Leatherface (2017 film) has been listed as one of the
Media and drama good articles under the
good article criteria. If you can improve it further,
please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
reassess it. Review: September 9, 2018. ( Reviewed version). |
This article was nominated for deletion on 1 June 2015 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep. |
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Apparently, there is a major difference between how I see sources and how Koala sees them. There is currently a source being used to cite a production start date of March 18. This was originally sourced by SSinsider, which does not appear to pass the kosher test for reliability. It's a website run by 2 people, neither of which appear to have any form of credentialing or identifiable experience in the film industry as reports or direct film workers. Their "partner" sites are even less reliable and there isn't any obvious editorial oversight. The date was then replaced with this source from Den of Geek that cites this article from Deadline as their source. First, we don't cite sources that cite other sources....we go to the original source for the most reliable information. Now, Deadline is considered reliable generally, but Deadline did not actually say production started on May 18. There is no reliable source confirming this specific date. We know from pictures that filming began in May, but not what specific date. These sources need to be removed and it needs to be changed to "May 2015", which is supported by reliable sources. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:32, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
The production portion of this article is now outdated considering it is now December and filming was said to continue trough June. There should also be information on the film's release (when it is scheduled to be released) as well.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 21:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Has there been any new updates on the film? It is slated for a 2016 release but the exact date has not been announced as far as I can tell.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 18:09, 23 February 2016 (UTC) The film is slated for an October release in 2016.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 23:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
When was this film ever confirmed for a 2016 release? Smells like original research to me. Dark Knight 2149 19:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Before anyone tries to add "2 January 2017" as the release date, you should know that IMDB is not a reliable source and that Bloody-Disgusting has just confirmed that that supposed release date is fake ( [1]). So unless you have a reliable source, please don't try to add it. Dark Knight 2149 00:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm suspecting that this is just going to do direct to video or it's going to be release in a film festival, if not it may not even be release.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 19:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
We should probably include that into the article since it's important. I'll talk to you more about expanding the L:eatherface article tomorrow when I have the time.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 04:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Here's some new references(will add more later):
http://deadline.com/2015/05/leatherface-nu-image-cannes-bus-657-i-am-wrath-1201420765/
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/leatherface/246002/nu-image-adds-leatherface-to-cannes-market - Don't know if this is trustworthy or not.
http://horrornchill.com/news/leatherface-release/ - Possibly untrustworthy.
I'm going to look for sources pertaining to the film's extensive reshoots and substantial delay in terms of release. Right now, the only one we have is Bloody-Disgusting stating that it may have had something to do with Blair Witch underperforming. Dark Knight 2149 19:39, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Some of the information in this article will need to be added to the userspace for my Leatherface expansion article. Here's the link if you don't know where it is: User:Paleface Jack/Leatherface (Revision)-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 16:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's even notable enough to create a "Marketing" section (probably not), but the trailer is out now. Dark Knight 2149 17:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I think it is, as long as there are enough news outlets that announce it as well.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Despite the fact that we know the film is a mystery regarding who becomes the killer (
[3],
[4],
[5]) and that it isn't publicly released until September, various IP addresses/users have been trying to add "Jedidiah Sawyer" and "Leatherface" to
Sam Strike and
James Bloor in the Cast section without any link to a
reliable source. I added
these notes to Strike, Bloor, and Sam Coleman in an attempt to stop or slow these edits down, but it hasn't seemed to work. Honestly, the only other thing that I know to do if it continues is request page protection.
It should be noted that, back in early 2015, Sam Strike was
initially reported to be playing Leatherface, before the whole mystery angle was
clarified by news sources. This might be where some of the rumours are coming from.
Dark
Knight
2149
00:56, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking if we are going for making this article GA and possibly FA status we will need to find some appropriate images to use in this article. I was thinking for the development section we could use an image of Gunnar Hanson since the quote about Leatherface's characterization and inspiration is partially based on Hanson's quote.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 15:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I just tested the edit. Which is better? The image or the quote box? Tagging all users on Talk Page: @ Paleface Jack: @ Bignole: @ MichaelQSchmidt: Dark Knight 2149 01:02, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Try it and see. If a better image comes along we'll be sure to use it.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 03:47, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Just noticed how the rating of the film on Rotten Tomatoes keeps on getting lower and lower. Hopefully it stays positive and doesn't go below 60%, it really looks like it could reinvigorate the franchise.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 20:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Hopefully not, although I'm not sure what to think at the moment. Hopefully it's more positive.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 23:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC) (As the rating continues to drop on Rt) Stupid critics. My guess is their comparing this to the original film instead of judging it on it's own terms. Has happened to many a film unfortunately.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 16:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Did the story make sense for the character?-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 16:38, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I bet you it will get an extended cut.-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 18:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I found a couple of news articles claiming that Leatherface will internationally released on DVD/Blu-Ray on 19 December 2017, with images of alleged cover art and everything. This is just from today. Are these sources legit? Source 1, Source 2 Dark Knight 2149 02:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone has been following the edit history enough to observe the mystical adventures of this film's anomalous international box office, but the reported earnings keep fluctuating up and down. Have you ever seen a movie make less money over time? Yeah... I have no idea what is going on with that. My best guess is that the initial reports over-estimated how much the film earned and they just keep adjusting it. Either way, this is odd. Dark Knight 2149 01:38, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
As far as I remember, the Saywers were supposed to be cannibals. Why are they feeding their victims to their pigs?-- 2003:6F:8C56:5115:5DA7:BFCB:535:32C8 ( talk) 15:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
It's interesting that fan's wanted more gore considering the original had almost none, it was all suggested.--Paleface Jack 21:51, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Aircorn ( talk · contribs) 23:36, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in finding a reviewer. I will look at this over the next few days and leave a review. AIRcorn (talk) 23:36, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
My main concerns are with the plot and reception sections. I have left some comments below the review. Not all relate to the criteria and some are just general questions. However some expand on what I have written here and will need to be addressed before i can pass the article
It is the eighth film in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise (TCM)Is TCM supposed to be a abbreviation for the whole franchise or just the Texas Chainsaw Massacre part.
Leatherface is a mentally disabled serial killer seen throughout the TCM franchiseit is essentially saying "Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise franchise". Are you sure it shouldn't be "It is the eighth film in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre (TCM) franchise." AIRcorn (talk) 16:11, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Lionsgate and Millennium Films lost the rights to produce future Texas Chainsaw Massacre films because of the delayI am assuming this means the delay in releasing the film. Maybe it could be made clearer.
Jedidiah crafts Hartman's and Elizabeth's flesh into a mask and dons it to a mirror as he applies lipstick.This sentence needs a copy edit
The fictional Deputy SorellsWhy say fictional?
the father of Sally Hardesty and Franklin HardestyWould father of Sally and Franklin be better instead of using Hardesty three times? Also might need some more context as too who they are.
referring the project simply asSyntax is out
Seth M. Sherwood was announced to write the filmThat doesn't read right.
Julien Maury and Alexandre Bustillo were hired to direct the film,[46] who admired its distinction in narrative from the series'Same here
In March and April 2015, Sam Strike, James Bloor, Stephen Dorff, and Jessica Madsen joined the cast, respectivelyI am not sure respectively works with so many people over uneven dates
cars modeled after that of the periodafter that of the?
with the creation of Leatherface's first flesh-mask cited by Sherwood as his personal favouriteNot sure what that means
building a realistic cow carcassIs this relevant to the plot? I don't remember reading about it, but if most of the budget was spent on it it might warrant a mention. If not there here maybe?
afraid that they wouldn't make back their investment after another film underperformedNot clear how this relates to Leatherface?
and wide distribution via Video on demandDoes Video need to be capitilised?
This is coming along nicely. Let me know when you have the reception section done and I will finish this up. AIRcorn (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
I am adding this because Ironman7777 keeps routinely adding "slasher film" to the article without a citation to a reliable source (disregard the troll sock puppeteer that keeps spamming the article with Maylasian IP addresses... And occasionally impersonation accounts). This results in what is gradually becoming a slow motion edit war, and he seems to be the only good faith user still adding this. At this point, it's become clear that Talk Page discussion is needed before this actually does get out of hand.
While all of the previous Texas Chainsaw Massacre films were slasher films, Leatherface is very different from the other films and it doesn't even follow the "killer taking people out one-by-one" trope that defines the slasher film subgenre. In fact, the only point that this film even remotely resembled a slasher film is during one scene at the end, where Leatherface chases Lizzy. It was clearly an attempt at trying something different, and we even have sources in this very article from the directors, writer, and producers all saying that "doing something different" was one of their main goals.
Likewise, I can find no reliable sources that say this film is a slasher movie. The only source for a subgenre I was able to dig up was when the directors called it a "brutal, disillusioned road movie." That honestly sounds about right. Most of it is about teenagers running from the law after escaping a mental institution. Besides a single chase scene, the plot had nothing to do with a killer picking people off one-by-one. That comes later in the timeline... When the Leatherface character exists and is actually killing people. I'm not criticising the film, but it's definitely not a slasher. Dark Knight 2149 18:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
This is a late response to the edit summary ping here. I reviewed the article for GA status and suggested then that Grasse should be red linked. First I want to make clear that this is in no way a requirement for passing GA. It was more a suggestion for how I thought the article could be improved. To my mind it is a big enough release that one of the main starring actors should be notable enough for their own article. There seems to be enough sources [6] that if someone was interested in creating the article it would probably survive deletion. Anyway the guideline is at WP:RED and editors here can decide if she merits one or not. AIRcorn (talk) 21:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)