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The Guardian article states Harris appeared on Wogan in 1990 for the first time. Allen's documentary says 1988. 1988 feels right to me, since I remember it very well and I would have been 16 in 1988, and I'm sure I wouldn't have been 18 when I forst saw her. -- bodnotbod 23:31, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)
Poor kid. This thread on UKPFC_Forum might be worth reading
[1].
Morwen -
Talk 23:37, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
"Eventually Lauren realised she was a transsexual." Surely it was James who realised this? Mysteronald 23:37, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
There's a large amount of unreferenced material here, some of which is potentially controversial.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 03:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Sme reliable sources say ten [2], others say twelve [3] so I don't know which. If the first wogan appearance was when her date of birth makes it ten or eleven, obviously that's the age she was. But I don't know. What do you all think? special, random, Merkinsmum 17:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
It was in August 1988. ( 92.7.27.64 ( talk) 21:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC))
Enough of them is shown to verify each of the facts concerned, which is why they're being used. special, random, Merkinsmum 11:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The link
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if only there were an Anglo-Welsh Transexual Buddhist category 86.163.254.9 ( talk) 16:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I have edited the lede both to give it a tiny bit of substance and to ensure it conforms to the guidance developed on the LGBT project for trans biographies. I have also gone through the text and reworded some of the references to former name and gender, which we try to avoid as much as possible in trans biographies. Please note that we prefer to use subjects' surnames. Some of the references look a bit iffy, but I have no interest in trawling through this article to check them all personally. Reading some of the comments, do remember WP:NPOV. I know it is hard with some people, but we need to be fair, especially in BLPs. Mish (just an editor) ( talk) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
In this particular case the phrasing 'known as "James Harries"' makes the factual meaning a bit unclear. It sounds as if "James Harries" were a character appearing on the Wogan chat show, in much the same way that "Ali G" or "Basil Brush" might appear on a chat show. This is a sensitive area, and using plain 'Harries' for the rest of the article is fine, but the style is obscuring the factual content a bit here. Better to say: her former name was James Harries, and under this name she appeared on television... Ed Avis ( talk) 13:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Changed it. Mish (just an editor) ( talk) 14:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
This article needs more attention re: he/she, just look at this paragraph: "Encouraged by ***his*** family to appear in the media, Harries's first television appearance was on Terry Wogan's UK chat show, Wogan. The twelve-year-old demonstrated what seemed to be a knowledge of antiques which, combined with an odd appearance including bow ties, hair in thick golden curls, formal attire and a precocious manner of speaking, made ***her*** memorable to British viewers." -- Hburdon ( talk) 15:29, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
There is a quote her of how some thugs, "attacked Lauren, her father and her brother in the family home". In the documentary, Little Lady Fauntleroy, one of the things that comes up is the family's flamboyance/eccentricity on the one hand, and paranoia, on the other. It was implied that some of these attacks, e.g. stone throwing etc may have even been made up. (And it seems that they occurred long before the surgery as well)
From the doc, the family also seems to fancy themselves as counsellors, although their credentials for doing so are highly questionable.-- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Coming to this as someone with no knowledge, I get the distinct impression that James-as-was was not in fact an antiques expert, but it's neither stated outright nor backed up with a reference, merely snidely implied. Perhaps to article could be fixed for either accuracy or dignity, don't really care which... -- 94.212.2.245 ( talk) 23:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Her name is Lauren, she uses female pronouns and I feel this should be respected as she identifies with the female gender. 2.125.185.175 ( talk) 00:41, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Lauren Harries now freely admits she knew almost nothing about antiques as a child and that her father told her what to say before each TV appearance. The Keith Allen documentary also revealed taht it was her mother who carried out the pre-op counselling using fake qualifications bought from the Internet. Also there is nothing wrong with using the 1991 picture because Lauren Harries was only famous as a child. ( 92.7.27.64 ( talk) 22:15, 15 August 2011 (UTC))
Did it? I only heard about him again in 2005 when I saw the Allen programme. ( 92.7.18.204 ( talk) 12:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC))
RafikiSykes ( talk) 12:38, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Should there even be an article for this person? James/Lauren Harries is not notable enough to meet wikipedia standards. In any case, I have added a link from The Guardian newspaper which confirms everything. ( 92.7.18.204 ( talk) 15:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC))
It is certainly very notable indeed because the operation was actually illegal since the mother used fake qualifications bought on the Internet. I really think this article should be deleted anyway. Lauren Harries is just an unemployed transexual living on benefits on a Cardiff council estate. Not exactly a "celebrity". ( 92.7.18.204 ( talk) 16:53, 16 August 2011 (UTC))
I'm not sure why her being a transwoman has anything to do with her occupation now or anything she did in the past. The article should be edited to include how her parents coached her, but not removed entirely as she was/is still a person of note if people know who she is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.125.185.175 ( talk) 00:44, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
The Guardian article ( [4]), which has been removed, is indeed a review of the film by Keith Allen. What's hard to follow in the review is which "revelations" (told with typical British acerbic relish by the author) are actual admissions by the Harries family and which are conclusions by the reviewer or even by Allen. If we can reliably source the admissions, then I think they should be included in the article to the extent they are relevant to Harries. These assertions are so negative, though, that we have to proceed with caution because of BLP issues.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm very concerned at the attempts by some people to remove the report about her appearance on "This Morning". Wikipedia entries are not supposed to be airbrushed publicity pieces for wannabe personalities. Hardylane ( talk) 23:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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lauren harries is welsh, not english 94.0.219.87 ( talk) 22:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I recently reported this article to the blp noticeboard and had a lot of disparaging material removed and also removed a pre transition image.I note the user who uploaded the image and is now reinstering it.I note they work for the media company and gave the copyright permission for it to be on wiki and their wish for it to be in articles seems at least a little promotional.It shows the subject as a 12 year old boy and as the subject is a 33 year old woman now this is not an accurate representation to have in the only image in the article. The article and talk page already has a lot of abusive history related to her being transsexual and posting of images of transsexuals as birth gender is a common method of abuse.Primarily it is 20 years out of date and not the persons correct gender. RafikiSykes ( talk) 15:08, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
As it's now been three months and no other photo has been added to the article, I have just reverted - but following the suggestion of Off2riorob (above, 31.8.2011) have moved it to the body of the article. It is now included as a historial document (in a section headed "Early career"), rather than a current image. Hope that works. AnOpenMedium ( talk) 09:58, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
User:Bbb23 has twice removed this from the list of external links:
Here are the reasons given:-
I remain unclear about this and have put it back, on the grounds that
has not been removed from the external links. Is the suggestion that the subject of an article can include their own copyright material in an article and not infringe, for example, WP:SOAP (never mind copyright)? Genuinely puzzled and seek comment from copyright experienced editors. Testbed ( talk) 17:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I've asked another editor to comment on the substantive issues of the added link and the Harries official channel link. My view is that both should go. Normally, when an official channel link is used, it's done in the body of an article and for a specific video. For example, if we want to cite to an ABC video, we can cite to ABC's official channel because they clearly own the copyright in their own videos. Here, even assuming that everything on the Harries official channel is Harries' own work, we have no control on what Harries may post to her channel in the future; therefore, it shouldn't be here. As for the newly added link, I have no idea who owns the copyright to that video; therefore, without some indication that it's posted by the copyright owner or otherwise licensed to be used, it should go as well. (That's without getting into the issue of whether it has any value otherwise.)-- Bbb23 ( talk) 18:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Before this becomes an outright revert war, it seems best to have a discussion here. The current wording of the section uses male pronouns. This contradicts MOS:IDENTITY, which "applies in references to any phase of that person's life" [emphasis added]. Can we get consensus to edit the section to comply with guidelines? MaxHarmony ( talk) 21:57, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
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during CBB lauren refered to herself as a 35 year old woman. this means she is 35 :) Ipodfred999 ( talk) 18:16, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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Lauren herself said she was born on 6 March 1978 in this blog: http://http3bpblogspotcomk0krkurxsvs.blogspot.co.uk/ ( 2A00:23C4:6384:600:10BB:173F:872F:5DEB ( talk) 18:12, 28 August 2017 (UTC))
It's online here (Series 5 Episode 2). I'll leave it to somebody else to concoct the reference.
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/naked-attraction/on-demand/69592-002
I just watch NA for the bantz, honest. Paulturtle ( talk) 00:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Allen's documentary showed that the Harries family was not all they seemed; The counsellor who looked after Lauren during her sex change operation was called Lesley Stewart, which turns out to be the "business name" of Kaye Harries, Lauren's own mother. Plus it turns out that all their qualifications, doctorates in metaphysics and counselling degrees, were issued by the Cardiff College of Humanistic Studies which is located at Tudor Cottage, their own house. They've certified themselves.
If this is quoting someone it needs to be in speech marks. If it's supposed to be in Wikipedia's own voice then it needs revising a bit. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 11:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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The Guardian article states Harris appeared on Wogan in 1990 for the first time. Allen's documentary says 1988. 1988 feels right to me, since I remember it very well and I would have been 16 in 1988, and I'm sure I wouldn't have been 18 when I forst saw her. -- bodnotbod 23:31, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)
Poor kid. This thread on UKPFC_Forum might be worth reading
[1].
Morwen -
Talk 23:37, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
"Eventually Lauren realised she was a transsexual." Surely it was James who realised this? Mysteronald 23:37, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
There's a large amount of unreferenced material here, some of which is potentially controversial.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 03:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Sme reliable sources say ten [2], others say twelve [3] so I don't know which. If the first wogan appearance was when her date of birth makes it ten or eleven, obviously that's the age she was. But I don't know. What do you all think? special, random, Merkinsmum 17:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
It was in August 1988. ( 92.7.27.64 ( talk) 21:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC))
Enough of them is shown to verify each of the facts concerned, which is why they're being used. special, random, Merkinsmum 11:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The link
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-29092583_ITM is now broken.
Jonknight73 (
talk) 15:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
if only there were an Anglo-Welsh Transexual Buddhist category 86.163.254.9 ( talk) 16:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I have edited the lede both to give it a tiny bit of substance and to ensure it conforms to the guidance developed on the LGBT project for trans biographies. I have also gone through the text and reworded some of the references to former name and gender, which we try to avoid as much as possible in trans biographies. Please note that we prefer to use subjects' surnames. Some of the references look a bit iffy, but I have no interest in trawling through this article to check them all personally. Reading some of the comments, do remember WP:NPOV. I know it is hard with some people, but we need to be fair, especially in BLPs. Mish (just an editor) ( talk) 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
In this particular case the phrasing 'known as "James Harries"' makes the factual meaning a bit unclear. It sounds as if "James Harries" were a character appearing on the Wogan chat show, in much the same way that "Ali G" or "Basil Brush" might appear on a chat show. This is a sensitive area, and using plain 'Harries' for the rest of the article is fine, but the style is obscuring the factual content a bit here. Better to say: her former name was James Harries, and under this name she appeared on television... Ed Avis ( talk) 13:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Changed it. Mish (just an editor) ( talk) 14:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
This article needs more attention re: he/she, just look at this paragraph: "Encouraged by ***his*** family to appear in the media, Harries's first television appearance was on Terry Wogan's UK chat show, Wogan. The twelve-year-old demonstrated what seemed to be a knowledge of antiques which, combined with an odd appearance including bow ties, hair in thick golden curls, formal attire and a precocious manner of speaking, made ***her*** memorable to British viewers." -- Hburdon ( talk) 15:29, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
There is a quote her of how some thugs, "attacked Lauren, her father and her brother in the family home". In the documentary, Little Lady Fauntleroy, one of the things that comes up is the family's flamboyance/eccentricity on the one hand, and paranoia, on the other. It was implied that some of these attacks, e.g. stone throwing etc may have even been made up. (And it seems that they occurred long before the surgery as well)
From the doc, the family also seems to fancy themselves as counsellors, although their credentials for doing so are highly questionable.-- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:53, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Coming to this as someone with no knowledge, I get the distinct impression that James-as-was was not in fact an antiques expert, but it's neither stated outright nor backed up with a reference, merely snidely implied. Perhaps to article could be fixed for either accuracy or dignity, don't really care which... -- 94.212.2.245 ( talk) 23:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Her name is Lauren, she uses female pronouns and I feel this should be respected as she identifies with the female gender. 2.125.185.175 ( talk) 00:41, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Lauren Harries now freely admits she knew almost nothing about antiques as a child and that her father told her what to say before each TV appearance. The Keith Allen documentary also revealed taht it was her mother who carried out the pre-op counselling using fake qualifications bought from the Internet. Also there is nothing wrong with using the 1991 picture because Lauren Harries was only famous as a child. ( 92.7.27.64 ( talk) 22:15, 15 August 2011 (UTC))
Did it? I only heard about him again in 2005 when I saw the Allen programme. ( 92.7.18.204 ( talk) 12:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC))
RafikiSykes ( talk) 12:38, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Should there even be an article for this person? James/Lauren Harries is not notable enough to meet wikipedia standards. In any case, I have added a link from The Guardian newspaper which confirms everything. ( 92.7.18.204 ( talk) 15:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC))
It is certainly very notable indeed because the operation was actually illegal since the mother used fake qualifications bought on the Internet. I really think this article should be deleted anyway. Lauren Harries is just an unemployed transexual living on benefits on a Cardiff council estate. Not exactly a "celebrity". ( 92.7.18.204 ( talk) 16:53, 16 August 2011 (UTC))
I'm not sure why her being a transwoman has anything to do with her occupation now or anything she did in the past. The article should be edited to include how her parents coached her, but not removed entirely as she was/is still a person of note if people know who she is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.125.185.175 ( talk) 00:44, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
The Guardian article ( [4]), which has been removed, is indeed a review of the film by Keith Allen. What's hard to follow in the review is which "revelations" (told with typical British acerbic relish by the author) are actual admissions by the Harries family and which are conclusions by the reviewer or even by Allen. If we can reliably source the admissions, then I think they should be included in the article to the extent they are relevant to Harries. These assertions are so negative, though, that we have to proceed with caution because of BLP issues.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 17:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm very concerned at the attempts by some people to remove the report about her appearance on "This Morning". Wikipedia entries are not supposed to be airbrushed publicity pieces for wannabe personalities. Hardylane ( talk) 23:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
-- Bbb23 ( talk) 22:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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lauren harries is welsh, not english 94.0.219.87 ( talk) 22:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I recently reported this article to the blp noticeboard and had a lot of disparaging material removed and also removed a pre transition image.I note the user who uploaded the image and is now reinstering it.I note they work for the media company and gave the copyright permission for it to be on wiki and their wish for it to be in articles seems at least a little promotional.It shows the subject as a 12 year old boy and as the subject is a 33 year old woman now this is not an accurate representation to have in the only image in the article. The article and talk page already has a lot of abusive history related to her being transsexual and posting of images of transsexuals as birth gender is a common method of abuse.Primarily it is 20 years out of date and not the persons correct gender. RafikiSykes ( talk) 15:08, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
As it's now been three months and no other photo has been added to the article, I have just reverted - but following the suggestion of Off2riorob (above, 31.8.2011) have moved it to the body of the article. It is now included as a historial document (in a section headed "Early career"), rather than a current image. Hope that works. AnOpenMedium ( talk) 09:58, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
User:Bbb23 has twice removed this from the list of external links:
Here are the reasons given:-
I remain unclear about this and have put it back, on the grounds that
has not been removed from the external links. Is the suggestion that the subject of an article can include their own copyright material in an article and not infringe, for example, WP:SOAP (never mind copyright)? Genuinely puzzled and seek comment from copyright experienced editors. Testbed ( talk) 17:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
I've asked another editor to comment on the substantive issues of the added link and the Harries official channel link. My view is that both should go. Normally, when an official channel link is used, it's done in the body of an article and for a specific video. For example, if we want to cite to an ABC video, we can cite to ABC's official channel because they clearly own the copyright in their own videos. Here, even assuming that everything on the Harries official channel is Harries' own work, we have no control on what Harries may post to her channel in the future; therefore, it shouldn't be here. As for the newly added link, I have no idea who owns the copyright to that video; therefore, without some indication that it's posted by the copyright owner or otherwise licensed to be used, it should go as well. (That's without getting into the issue of whether it has any value otherwise.)-- Bbb23 ( talk) 18:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Before this becomes an outright revert war, it seems best to have a discussion here. The current wording of the section uses male pronouns. This contradicts MOS:IDENTITY, which "applies in references to any phase of that person's life" [emphasis added]. Can we get consensus to edit the section to comply with guidelines? MaxHarmony ( talk) 21:57, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
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during CBB lauren refered to herself as a 35 year old woman. this means she is 35 :) Ipodfred999 ( talk) 18:16, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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Lauren herself said she was born on 6 March 1978 in this blog: http://http3bpblogspotcomk0krkurxsvs.blogspot.co.uk/ ( 2A00:23C4:6384:600:10BB:173F:872F:5DEB ( talk) 18:12, 28 August 2017 (UTC))
It's online here (Series 5 Episode 2). I'll leave it to somebody else to concoct the reference.
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/naked-attraction/on-demand/69592-002
I just watch NA for the bantz, honest. Paulturtle ( talk) 00:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Allen's documentary showed that the Harries family was not all they seemed; The counsellor who looked after Lauren during her sex change operation was called Lesley Stewart, which turns out to be the "business name" of Kaye Harries, Lauren's own mother. Plus it turns out that all their qualifications, doctorates in metaphysics and counselling degrees, were issued by the Cardiff College of Humanistic Studies which is located at Tudor Cottage, their own house. They've certified themselves.
If this is quoting someone it needs to be in speech marks. If it's supposed to be in Wikipedia's own voice then it needs revising a bit. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 11:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)