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The result of the debate was no consensus. Never properly listed at WP:RM, or perhaps just forgotten. Please relist. Patstuart talk| edits 21:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I have yet to find one reference that refers to the common name of this tree as "Tamarack Larch". While it is a larch, its name in North America is simply "Tamarack" (or sometimes "Hackmatack"). Referring to it as "Tamarack Larch" is be like calling Tilia platyphyllos a "Lime Linden". The article should be moved/renamed either to "Tamarack" or "Larix laricina" in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions. Luigizanasi 19:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Finally - one other option - would you be willing to consider a move to 'Eastern Larch' as a compromise? That is also quite widely used as a name. - MPF 11:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
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help) lists Tamarack or American Larch as common names of L. laricina. The Illustrated Book of Trees: A Visual Guide to More Than 250 Species (Paperback) by Eric A. Bourdo, Salamander Books (July 19, 1999),
ISBN
1840650834 lists Tamarack or American Larch also. My 1947 edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica refers to it as "the American larch (L. laricina), commonly called tamarack, known also as hackmatack and to the French Canadians as épinette rouge." I agree with MPF that it would be good if "Larch" were to appear in the common name, even if it isn't the most common name but still widely used. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find support for 'Eastern Larch' in the books that I happen to own. I wonder if 'Tamarack (larch)' or 'American Larch' have any merit as a possible compromise? Best wishes,
Walter Siegmund
(talk) 02:35, 24 March 2006 (UTC)The first objection I get from MPF I get is that the name is used in two obscure references, one from a tourism website and the other from a page on insects from the Canadian Forest Service. The second objection, which has some validity, is that there is a desire to keep species of the same genus together on a categorization page. On the first one, I point out that the CFS has 67 pages mentioning tamarack, and only one reference to "tamarack larch". Incidentally, Hosie's book, which was the standard reference on Canadian trees, and its successor by John Laird Farrar ([ Trees in Canada) are both published by the CFS. On the second one, I proposed two alternatives. The first is to have separate subcategories for each genus. This is dismissed as over categorization and, more importantly, that it makes fighting vandalism more difficult. Fine, I'm all in favour of making fighting vandalism as easy as possible. The second alternative, is dismissed purportedly because it did not work. Despite the fact that I had done something similar in another area, I test it again just to be absolutely sure. It actually does work. The code [[Category:Pinaceae|Larch, Tamarack]] will put "tamarack" under the letter "L" with the other larches in the categorization page. So I try to meet the objection in good faith and do the work to find a solution within the limitations of the categorization software.
Then MPF intimates that I should take myself off to the French Wikipedia and that I have no right to propose changes to the article because I had not edited it previously. He also brings in other members of his coterie. I suppose I could bring in a bunch of people from the Canadian Wikipedians Noticeboard or Wikiproject Alaska to take my side, but I have no interest in perpetuating this, and I am not interested in engaging in conflict.
On the proposed compromises, they are just replacing an extremely uncommon name, with others that are only slightly less uncommon. I don't get the insistence that it have "larch" in page title if we can get it to appear along with the other larches in the Pinaceae category page. If anything, someone seeing it there might be struck by the incongruity and go to the page and learn that it is a larch and maybe learn something more about it. Finally, if the WikiProject Plants participants want to continue to mislead potential readers as to the common name of Larix laricina, go right ahead, you will get no more grief from me. And I will studiously avoid editing articles that are the property of the Plant group, especially those owned by MPF. There are plenty of other areas to which I can contribute. Luigizanasi 09:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
There should be a disambiguation page for Tamarack, as Tamarack is also the name of a major retail outlet and dining complex along the West Virginia Turnpike near Beckley, West Virginia. This Tamarack specializes in arts, crafts and foods made by West Virginia artisans.
I agree with those discussants who contend that the common name for this species is "Tamarack" not "Tamarack Larch". There is absolutely no reference to any tree called Tamarack Larch anywhere but this Wikipedia article. That being said, the term Tamarack Larch does help distinguish the tree from its western cousin and the lodgepole pine, both of which appear to be called some variety of Tamarack. Perhaps a compromise would be to title the article "Tamarack (Larch)".
More to my main interests: The uses section of the article should be expanded somewhat. The most common historical use of the wood of the species has been in water-side structures (wharfs, docs) and as ships' timbers. The wood is very rot resistant and holds up well against insect and salt damage. More recently the wood is being increasingly used in decks and porches and in outdoor furnishings. As deck material, its use is growing rapidly, especially in the Northeast United States as Western Red Cedar becomes rarer and more expensive.
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@ Wiae: I just moved the page from Draft: back here - I don't think there was any useful history here worth saving. Guettarda ( talk) 01:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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I'm in Montana in the Flathead Valley this week and the place is crawling with tamarack. Plus, multiple businesses are named after the tree. The found-in description in the article suggests this should not be so, yet here they are. Is there another species of larch known as tamarack? If so, we need a note at the top to direct people there. If these are the same trees, the article needs to be fixed (with proper sources, natch). I'm not really expert in trees so I'm hoping someone else can help here. Thmazing ( talk) 17:06, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
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In Distribution and Ecology, under the Associated forest cover tab, the second paragraph has a noticeable wording/spelling error. 2604:3D09:757D:E500:1CF6:B8B0:88B:5F80 ( talk) 06:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was no consensus. Never properly listed at WP:RM, or perhaps just forgotten. Please relist. Patstuart talk| edits 21:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I have yet to find one reference that refers to the common name of this tree as "Tamarack Larch". While it is a larch, its name in North America is simply "Tamarack" (or sometimes "Hackmatack"). Referring to it as "Tamarack Larch" is be like calling Tilia platyphyllos a "Lime Linden". The article should be moved/renamed either to "Tamarack" or "Larix laricina" in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions. Luigizanasi 19:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Finally - one other option - would you be willing to consider a move to 'Eastern Larch' as a compromise? That is also quite widely used as a name. - MPF 11:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
: |edition=
has extra text (
help) lists Tamarack or American Larch as common names of L. laricina. The Illustrated Book of Trees: A Visual Guide to More Than 250 Species (Paperback) by Eric A. Bourdo, Salamander Books (July 19, 1999),
ISBN
1840650834 lists Tamarack or American Larch also. My 1947 edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica refers to it as "the American larch (L. laricina), commonly called tamarack, known also as hackmatack and to the French Canadians as épinette rouge." I agree with MPF that it would be good if "Larch" were to appear in the common name, even if it isn't the most common name but still widely used. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find support for 'Eastern Larch' in the books that I happen to own. I wonder if 'Tamarack (larch)' or 'American Larch' have any merit as a possible compromise? Best wishes,
Walter Siegmund
(talk) 02:35, 24 March 2006 (UTC)The first objection I get from MPF I get is that the name is used in two obscure references, one from a tourism website and the other from a page on insects from the Canadian Forest Service. The second objection, which has some validity, is that there is a desire to keep species of the same genus together on a categorization page. On the first one, I point out that the CFS has 67 pages mentioning tamarack, and only one reference to "tamarack larch". Incidentally, Hosie's book, which was the standard reference on Canadian trees, and its successor by John Laird Farrar ([ Trees in Canada) are both published by the CFS. On the second one, I proposed two alternatives. The first is to have separate subcategories for each genus. This is dismissed as over categorization and, more importantly, that it makes fighting vandalism more difficult. Fine, I'm all in favour of making fighting vandalism as easy as possible. The second alternative, is dismissed purportedly because it did not work. Despite the fact that I had done something similar in another area, I test it again just to be absolutely sure. It actually does work. The code [[Category:Pinaceae|Larch, Tamarack]] will put "tamarack" under the letter "L" with the other larches in the categorization page. So I try to meet the objection in good faith and do the work to find a solution within the limitations of the categorization software.
Then MPF intimates that I should take myself off to the French Wikipedia and that I have no right to propose changes to the article because I had not edited it previously. He also brings in other members of his coterie. I suppose I could bring in a bunch of people from the Canadian Wikipedians Noticeboard or Wikiproject Alaska to take my side, but I have no interest in perpetuating this, and I am not interested in engaging in conflict.
On the proposed compromises, they are just replacing an extremely uncommon name, with others that are only slightly less uncommon. I don't get the insistence that it have "larch" in page title if we can get it to appear along with the other larches in the Pinaceae category page. If anything, someone seeing it there might be struck by the incongruity and go to the page and learn that it is a larch and maybe learn something more about it. Finally, if the WikiProject Plants participants want to continue to mislead potential readers as to the common name of Larix laricina, go right ahead, you will get no more grief from me. And I will studiously avoid editing articles that are the property of the Plant group, especially those owned by MPF. There are plenty of other areas to which I can contribute. Luigizanasi 09:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
There should be a disambiguation page for Tamarack, as Tamarack is also the name of a major retail outlet and dining complex along the West Virginia Turnpike near Beckley, West Virginia. This Tamarack specializes in arts, crafts and foods made by West Virginia artisans.
I agree with those discussants who contend that the common name for this species is "Tamarack" not "Tamarack Larch". There is absolutely no reference to any tree called Tamarack Larch anywhere but this Wikipedia article. That being said, the term Tamarack Larch does help distinguish the tree from its western cousin and the lodgepole pine, both of which appear to be called some variety of Tamarack. Perhaps a compromise would be to title the article "Tamarack (Larch)".
More to my main interests: The uses section of the article should be expanded somewhat. The most common historical use of the wood of the species has been in water-side structures (wharfs, docs) and as ships' timbers. The wood is very rot resistant and holds up well against insect and salt damage. More recently the wood is being increasingly used in decks and porches and in outdoor furnishings. As deck material, its use is growing rapidly, especially in the Northeast United States as Western Red Cedar becomes rarer and more expensive.
Jmedgar (
talk) 18:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)Jim Edgar
jime@starcraftcustombuilders.com
"North America and Canada" Canada is in North America 207.6.168.201 ( talk) 03:55, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
@ Wiae: I just moved the page from Draft: back here - I don't think there was any useful history here worth saving. Guettarda ( talk) 01:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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I'm in Montana in the Flathead Valley this week and the place is crawling with tamarack. Plus, multiple businesses are named after the tree. The found-in description in the article suggests this should not be so, yet here they are. Is there another species of larch known as tamarack? If so, we need a note at the top to direct people there. If these are the same trees, the article needs to be fixed (with proper sources, natch). I'm not really expert in trees so I'm hoping someone else can help here. Thmazing ( talk) 17:06, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
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Digi227Bravo,
PvtBongo.
— Assignment last updated by Gmcb3345 ( talk) 23:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
In Distribution and Ecology, under the Associated forest cover tab, the second paragraph has a noticeable wording/spelling error. 2604:3D09:757D:E500:1CF6:B8B0:88B:5F80 ( talk) 06:31, 27 December 2023 (UTC)