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I have checked out the references.
So this is not in fact a hoax. It is generally best to check these things out before leaping to conclusions. Jezhotwells ( talk) 14:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I remnoved some inapproperiate tags: Even if it is a legend, it is not a hoax article; also there is no original research; everything is referenced from third-party sources. - Altenmann >t 15:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I have to note that with this article rewritten to show that Lapot was likely just a legend, as the sources say, I find it very good and worth keeping. Irbisgreif ( talk) 16:09, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
The article calls lapot a killing, a legend, a custom, and a tradition. It can't be all of those at the same time. Reading between the lines, as an American with a drop or two of Slovenian blood in his veins, I'm seeing feeble attempts on the part of modern ethnologists to whitewash what was a very real and gruesome practice in the history of the region. If it is only legend, make that clear. If it actually happened routinely, make that clear. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 16:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't have access to, or the ability to read, most of the sources. However, it appears to be a legend, with people occasionally doing similar things in isolated instances. Irbisgreif ( talk) 16:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
If you would like, I'll try a rewrite from that tack, that the origins are lost in the mists of time. I'd want to wait for the article to settle down first, for all the facts to come in. I do only English and some French, so I wouldn't be of any use in the research, I'm afraid, but I do write pretty good if I do say so myself. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 17:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I could have sworn I wrote this once already, but: I'm on it. I'm currently waiting for Heavenly Serbia from the library, because the on-line thing has no notes. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 02:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Generally speaking, the Romans respected old age, and I can't immediately think of anything comparable to the example given. The "tale" sounds fishy, though maybe it refers to a singular instance involving the conservation of resources during a siege. Cynwolfe ( talk) 02:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Keep it Fake ( talk) 16:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
typical lie by anti Serb people, probably Albanian Muslims, so until we have a confident source it's best that this article is deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verbatimdat ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Serbian people respect their parents more than anything else, a father was always making son proud and son was making father proud. They were ideals to each other. It's also a nonsense that a Christian nation like Serbia would do that. This custom suits most to Albanian Muslims. Spare us from articles like this in the future albanian haters! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verbatimdat ( talk • contribs) 18:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
And you can go to hell Jizza (
Verbatimdat (
talk)
17:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)) blocking me is just your typical western "democracy" of free speech
I have reverted recent deletions by Lothar Klaic. Please discuss on the talk page before making deletions based on yoru own subjective opinions. This is a collaborative project and you need to learn how to interact with other editors. Jezhotwells ( talk) 09:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The piece bout " father-son clashes" I deleted has no relation to lapot. Please demonstrate how the cited source makes the relation to the legendary custom. If there is none, then this part does not belong to wikpedia.
Also before instructing others how to behave please learn the rules yourself. I explained my reason in edit summary. Please prove that my opinion is wrong before reverting it. This is the correct way of interacting. You don't own the page and have no right to revert my edits. All wikipedia edits are based on editor's subjective opinions about article content, based of reliable sources. We don't copy texts from books in wikipedia, we select them and rephrase them based on our knowledge. Otherwise it would be plagiarism, not encyclopedia. Therefore if you disdagree with my explained judgement of article content, a polite way is to explain your reasons against my explanation. Simply reverting is not a social way of interacting with other editors, Lothar Klaic ( talk) 16:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the article has a suspiciouslty short edit history. By looking at various redirects I noticed that this happened because of cut-and-paste move of content from what is now "Lapot (senicide)" to " Lapot" by a series of actions of Vinie007 ( talk · contribs).
If there are admins among the people watching this page, please repair the article history. Lothar Klaic ( talk) 16:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Regardless relevance to this article, the issue of "father-son clashes" during military conflicts, especially during civil wars is common in many histories. Therefore it is an interesting subject in itself. I briefly looked in wikipedia and didn't find any article which discusses this. I looked pages patricide, filicide, fratricide; they have none; besides, these would be too one-sided article title for the subject. I also was Parent–offspring conflict, but this is about en evolutionary concept. Can you suggest a good title for this topic and start an article, since you have some references? Lothar Klaic ( talk) 16:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
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A fact from Lapot appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 8 August 2009 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
|
I have checked out the references.
So this is not in fact a hoax. It is generally best to check these things out before leaping to conclusions. Jezhotwells ( talk) 14:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I remnoved some inapproperiate tags: Even if it is a legend, it is not a hoax article; also there is no original research; everything is referenced from third-party sources. - Altenmann >t 15:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I have to note that with this article rewritten to show that Lapot was likely just a legend, as the sources say, I find it very good and worth keeping. Irbisgreif ( talk) 16:09, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
The article calls lapot a killing, a legend, a custom, and a tradition. It can't be all of those at the same time. Reading between the lines, as an American with a drop or two of Slovenian blood in his veins, I'm seeing feeble attempts on the part of modern ethnologists to whitewash what was a very real and gruesome practice in the history of the region. If it is only legend, make that clear. If it actually happened routinely, make that clear. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 16:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't have access to, or the ability to read, most of the sources. However, it appears to be a legend, with people occasionally doing similar things in isolated instances. Irbisgreif ( talk) 16:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
If you would like, I'll try a rewrite from that tack, that the origins are lost in the mists of time. I'd want to wait for the article to settle down first, for all the facts to come in. I do only English and some French, so I wouldn't be of any use in the research, I'm afraid, but I do write pretty good if I do say so myself. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 17:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I could have sworn I wrote this once already, but: I'm on it. I'm currently waiting for Heavenly Serbia from the library, because the on-line thing has no notes. -- Milkbreath ( talk) 02:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Generally speaking, the Romans respected old age, and I can't immediately think of anything comparable to the example given. The "tale" sounds fishy, though maybe it refers to a singular instance involving the conservation of resources during a siege. Cynwolfe ( talk) 02:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Keep it Fake ( talk) 16:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
typical lie by anti Serb people, probably Albanian Muslims, so until we have a confident source it's best that this article is deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verbatimdat ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Serbian people respect their parents more than anything else, a father was always making son proud and son was making father proud. They were ideals to each other. It's also a nonsense that a Christian nation like Serbia would do that. This custom suits most to Albanian Muslims. Spare us from articles like this in the future albanian haters! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verbatimdat ( talk • contribs) 18:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
And you can go to hell Jizza (
Verbatimdat (
talk)
17:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)) blocking me is just your typical western "democracy" of free speech
I have reverted recent deletions by Lothar Klaic. Please discuss on the talk page before making deletions based on yoru own subjective opinions. This is a collaborative project and you need to learn how to interact with other editors. Jezhotwells ( talk) 09:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The piece bout " father-son clashes" I deleted has no relation to lapot. Please demonstrate how the cited source makes the relation to the legendary custom. If there is none, then this part does not belong to wikpedia.
Also before instructing others how to behave please learn the rules yourself. I explained my reason in edit summary. Please prove that my opinion is wrong before reverting it. This is the correct way of interacting. You don't own the page and have no right to revert my edits. All wikipedia edits are based on editor's subjective opinions about article content, based of reliable sources. We don't copy texts from books in wikipedia, we select them and rephrase them based on our knowledge. Otherwise it would be plagiarism, not encyclopedia. Therefore if you disdagree with my explained judgement of article content, a polite way is to explain your reasons against my explanation. Simply reverting is not a social way of interacting with other editors, Lothar Klaic ( talk) 16:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the article has a suspiciouslty short edit history. By looking at various redirects I noticed that this happened because of cut-and-paste move of content from what is now "Lapot (senicide)" to " Lapot" by a series of actions of Vinie007 ( talk · contribs).
If there are admins among the people watching this page, please repair the article history. Lothar Klaic ( talk) 16:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Regardless relevance to this article, the issue of "father-son clashes" during military conflicts, especially during civil wars is common in many histories. Therefore it is an interesting subject in itself. I briefly looked in wikipedia and didn't find any article which discusses this. I looked pages patricide, filicide, fratricide; they have none; besides, these would be too one-sided article title for the subject. I also was Parent–offspring conflict, but this is about en evolutionary concept. Can you suggest a good title for this topic and start an article, since you have some references? Lothar Klaic ( talk) 16:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)